Switching to mirrorless with Z8

[Batdude]

Also not sure what the purpose is of asking.

Because now Nikon is introducing a camera at the same level as a D850 ( or may be better ) and many were waiting for such a camera in the Z system.

That doesn't clarify any purpose in asking.

I was unaware that Nikon didn't have what ML shooters were referring to as a mirrorless D850. Many said the Z7 was it. Still more figured the Z7ii was it. So many said the AF was as good as a D850.

Everyone agreed the AFC was not at same level as D850 and both the Z's struggled to focus when shooting low light scenes compared to D850.

But assuming you're right, and the Z8 is an ML D850, why would the assumption be that D850 owners would want to switch?

In order to use the best in class Z lenses which are highly praised by Thom Hogan and every reviewer who tested these lenses.

Not sure you really understand what T.O. is saying.

You expect people to swap out $20,000 worth of gear (less or more, depending on the person) to get a body equal to the D850?

You sell and trade in the equipment (D850) to put towards the new equipment. Thats what I did. Then for me I can write off the rest as business expenses. I still have to pay for it. Since I shoot for $. But it helps.

I totally agree with Michaeldawson the Z8 ain’t cheap. Yeah you’ll definitely get a REALLY nice tax write off return but damn you still have to come up with all that money and sell the D850 for less than $2K to get something “equal” in a ML version that’s just crazy. Terrible purchase decision IMHO.



The Z9/8 is just not for me either I don’t need nor want a really fast camera with really high MP and fps. Is just not my thing or work application. If someone wants me to go do a job that requires such beast I rather go rent it and write that off instead. Or have the client provide me such machine.

Don’t get me wrong, I personally don’t like the D850 either, is too damn loud, no portrait position tilt screen, and my wile LOVES the D4 color output for portraits so for now I’m keeping the D4.



Some say that maybe the Z6IIi will be the one for me but who knows we’ll see. THE only reason why I didn’t and haven’t jumped to Canon is because I need tilt screen I really don’t like flippy screens and that’s all canon makes.

Superior Z lenses? I don't disagree with you there. IF you pixel peep. For most shooters they will not see any difference in their photos by shooting with Z lenses. You may feel good because you're shooting with higher IQ lenses, but you'll rarely see the difference in actual viewable output.

True. There is also build quality, all the S lenses are sealed weather/dust/water drips. Whatever that means. Many of the expensive F mount primes are not sealed all the way, only at the rear gasket. For some that might matter.

Tech geeks who chase the latest gear will switch. Those that are more tuned-in to their photography will think long and hard before spending a huge wad of cash to switch with minimal perceived IQ increases.

Or those that professionally shoot for $ that their F mount stuff like mine, bodies nearing 5 years in age and getting higher in shutter count. Video is way better vs DSLR for those that choose that. I'm starting to get more into video since the Z is that good at it.

 

[GeoffRG]

Also not sure what the purpose is of asking.

Because now Nikon is introducing a camera at the same level as a D850 ( or may be better ) and many were waiting for such a camera in the Z system.

That doesn't clarify any purpose in asking.

I was unaware that Nikon didn't have what ML shooters were referring to as a mirrorless D850. Many said the Z7 was it. Still more figured the Z7ii was it. So many said the AF was as good as a D850.

Everyone agreed the AFC was not at same level as D850 and both the Z's struggled to focus when shooting low light scenes compared to D850.

But assuming you're right, and the Z8 is an ML D850, why would the assumption be that D850 owners would want to switch?

In order to use the best in class Z lenses which are highly praised by Thom Hogan and every reviewer who tested these lenses.

Not sure you really understand what T.O. is saying.

You expect people to swap out $20,000 worth of gear (less or more, depending on the person) to get a body equal to the D850?

You sell and trade in the equipment (D850) to put towards the new equipment. Thats what I did. Then for me I can write off the rest as business expenses. I still have to pay for it. Since I shoot for $. But it helps.

I totally agree with Michaeldawson the Z8 ain’t cheap. Yeah you’ll definitely get a REALLY nice tax write off return but damn you still have to come up with all that money and sell the D850 for less than $2K to get something “equal” in a ML version that’s just crazy. Terrible purchase decision IMHO.

The Z9/8 is just not for me either I don’t need nor want a really fast camera with really high MP and fps. Is just not my thing or work application. If someone wants me to go do a job that requires such beast I rather go rent it and write that off instead. Or have the client provide me such machine.

Don’t get me wrong, I personally don’t like the D850 either, is too damn loud, no portrait position tilt screen, and my wile LOVES the D4 color output for portraits so for now I’m keeping the D4.

Some say that maybe the Z6IIi will be the one for me but who knows we’ll see. THE only reason why I didn’t and haven’t jumped to Canon is because I need tilt screen I really don’t like flippy screens and that’s all canon makes.

Superior Z lenses? I don't disagree with you there. IF you pixel peep. For most shooters they will not see any difference in their photos by shooting with Z lenses. You may feel good because you're shooting with higher IQ lenses, but you'll rarely see the difference in actual viewable output.

True. There is also build quality, all the S lenses are sealed weather/dust/water drips. Whatever that means. Many of the expensive F mount primes are not sealed all the way, only at the rear gasket. For some that might matter.

Tech geeks who chase the latest gear will switch. Those that are more tuned-in to their photography will think long and hard before spending a huge wad of cash to switch with minimal perceived IQ increases.

Or those that professionally shoot for $ that their F mount stuff like mine, bodies nearing 5 years in age and getting higher in shutter count. Video is way better vs DSLR for those that choose that. I'm starting to get more into video since the Z is that good at it.

When ever someone tries to tell me that I “need” to switch to mirrorless something inside my head wants to instantly reply “no, I absolutely do not”. OK so the mirror makes a noise, in most cases, so what. I don’t shoot weddings, too stressful, and often I’m doing the sound and I can’t do both.

With an SLR I can watch through the lens, and focus, without needing any power. If I want to shoot I have only to touch the shutter and the camera takes over focusing. Having to hold a button to stop the viewfinder from going to sleep doesn’t seem logical.

From my seat on the sidelines, many of the “advantages” of mirrorless look like illusions, when weighed against the disadvantages, disadvantages for me that is. We don’t all work the same way, fortunately, and what one person finds they can’t live without another can’t live with. Neither is wrong, what is wrong is trying to persuade someone else that your advantage is something they must have. Just accept that it might not be important to them. Back off! The DSLR isn’t dead, production has ceased, or soon will do so. “The Z 50 f/1.8 is brilliant wall to wall sharp you must have one” actually no, I mustn’t! I haven’t used a 50mm lens for over 20 years and I have no intention of doing so now.

 

[primeshooter]

Also not sure what the purpose is of asking.

Because now Nikon is introducing a camera at the same level as a D850 ( or may be better ) and many were waiting for such a camera in the Z system.

That doesn't clarify any purpose in asking.

I was unaware that Nikon didn't have what ML shooters were referring to as a mirrorless D850. Many said the Z7 was it. Still more figured the Z7ii was it. So many said the AF was as good as a D850.

But assuming you're right, and the Z8 is an ML D850, why would the assumption be that D850 owners would want to switch?

I agree with your sentiments. I'd go as far to say if I didn't have certain things I wanted fixed for so long I'd just stay on f mount and not care...just lap up all those cheap mint bodies for ever. But for one side of my shooting that i do a lot of...I need a 24-70 and the S version wins out over the G or E and it is lighter (i hike). Most lenses though it is a wash really and optical improvements would not sway me to switch out 10k of equipment...no sir. For me though its really about not wishing to spend a fortune (the E kens is still expensive) on the old e lens on a 'dead format' that wil deprecat heavily over the next few years. I wouldn't mind if i already owned the lens though. I have long since wanted a fully tilting touch screen (I'm laying on the deck in freezing conditions to frame up verticals - not pleasant), also wanting the new ML live view tech so I can frame up low light astro shots. I spend a lot of time in the dark in winter and these two things as simple as they might sound are the bain of my existence - sucking the joy out of the shoots sometimes. I have other things on my list too of course. One reason I've not even considered a z6 or 7 is I've tried them and they don't solve the problems I am looking to solve.

So I slightly resent I'm having to buy again because everything is always piece mealed via these camera companies. I love my d810 and d850. But for goodness sake I don't to this day understand why camera companies only think we shoot high or low angles in horizontally orientation. It's why I strongly wish the d850 LV was a flip screen. They could even fix its low light sensitivity for astro by just allowing the refresh rate to drop but alas they are never going to do they as they want my money.

So the biggest question is whether to try the z8 or go canon / Sony. There are no perfect cameras unfortunately its a give and take, pick your poison scenario. I'll be able to get a z8 fast so I'll probably try it and report my findings. If I decide to sell...I'll probably make money on it anyways.

If I was just a portrait shooter (and i do some of this) I'd keep the d810 and d850 and not upgrade. No real need. Having a cute eye af system doesn't change anything for me.

shooting portraits on fast primes wide open at F1.8 etc the eye AF gives me more keepers (eyes being in focus on a shallow depth portrait ) than my D850 did. it definitely helps.

I'm at 1.4 here and have a great keeper rate on my d700 d810 and f850 so as i said...it matters very little to me.

With the Z9 and even Z5, eye focus , I have nearly 100% keeper rate. The Z "S" prime lenses are all exceptional and sharp wide open the same couldn't be said for all the F mount primes

Not a compelling enough argument for me im afraid. I have a high keeper rate as it is and I love the glass I use. So it's a case of adding ML, not switching. Ps sharpness isn't the only quality I value in a lens. For that is like an alcoholic valuing only the alcohol percentage in their wine.

But they got me in other ways, timing wise with needing a better zoom etc.

You can bet I'm keeping the d810 and a few other nikon bodies I treasure and lenses. (love my d700 and d200 too). The d850 will go for sale when I decide what I'm doing as it has high value to fund some of the new purchases.

the value Keeps dropping on used D850 as the market gets more saturated I should sold mine sooner but wasn't ready

Same but I need it just now. It is still the highest value camera I own so it'll go.

I've long since stopped selling all my old for new though. All too often you wish it back again, at some point in your life.

 

[Batdude]

Also not sure what the purpose is of asking.

Because now Nikon is introducing a camera at the same level as a D850 ( or may be better ) and many were waiting for such a camera in the Z system.

That doesn't clarify any purpose in asking.

I was unaware that Nikon didn't have what ML shooters were referring to as a mirrorless D850. Many said the Z7 was it. Still more figured the Z7ii was it. So many said the AF was as good as a D850.

Everyone agreed the AFC was not at same level as D850 and both the Z's struggled to focus when shooting low light scenes compared to D850.

But assuming you're right, and the Z8 is an ML D850, why would the assumption be that D850 owners would want to switch?

In order to use the best in class Z lenses which are highly praised by Thom Hogan and every reviewer who tested these lenses.

Not sure you really understand what T.O. is saying.

You expect people to swap out $20,000 worth of gear (less or more, depending on the person) to get a body equal to the D850?

You sell and trade in the equipment (D850) to put towards the new equipment. Thats what I did. Then for me I can write off the rest as business expenses. I still have to pay for it. Since I shoot for $. But it helps.

I totally agree with Michaeldawson the Z8 ain’t cheap. Yeah you’ll definitely get a REALLY nice tax write off return but damn you still have to come up with all that money and sell the D850 for less than $2K to get something “equal” in a ML version that’s just crazy. Terrible purchase decision IMHO.

The Z9/8 is just not for me either I don’t need nor want a really fast camera with really high MP and fps. Is just not my thing or work application. If someone wants me to go do a job that requires such beast I rather go rent it and write that off instead. Or have the client provide me such machine.

Don’t get me wrong, I personally don’t like the D850 either, is too damn loud, no portrait position tilt screen, and my wile LOVES the D4 color output for portraits so for now I’m keeping the D4.

Some say that maybe the Z6IIi will be the one for me but who knows we’ll see. THE only reason why I didn’t and haven’t jumped to Canon is because I need tilt screen I really don’t like flippy screens and that’s all canon makes.

Superior Z lenses? I don't disagree with you there. IF you pixel peep. For most shooters they will not see any difference in their photos by shooting with Z lenses. You may feel good because you're shooting with higher IQ lenses, but you'll rarely see the difference in actual viewable output.

True. There is also build quality, all the S lenses are sealed weather/dust/water drips. Whatever that means. Many of the expensive F mount primes are not sealed all the way, only at the rear gasket. For some that might matter.

Tech geeks who chase the latest gear will switch. Those that are more tuned-in to their photography will think long and hard before spending a huge wad of cash to switch with minimal perceived IQ increases.

Or those that professionally shoot for $ that their F mount stuff like mine, bodies nearing 5 years in age and getting higher in shutter count. Video is way better vs DSLR for those that choose that. I'm starting to get more into video since the Z is that good at it.

When ever someone tries to tell me that I “need” to switch to mirrorless something inside my head wants to instantly reply “no, I absolutely do not”. OK so the mirror makes a noise, in most cases, so what. I don’t shoot weddings, too stressful, and often I’m doing the sound and I can’t do both.

With an SLR I can watch through the lens, and focus, without needing any power. If I want to shoot I have only to touch the shutter and the camera takes over focusing. Having to hold a button to stop the viewfinder from going to sleep doesn’t seem logical.

From my seat on the sidelines, many of the “advantages” of mirrorless look like illusions, when weighed against the disadvantages, disadvantages for me that is. We don’t all work the same way, fortunately, and what one person finds they can’t live without another can’t live with. Neither is wrong, what is wrong is trying to persuade someone else that your advantage is something they must have. Just accept that it might not be important to them. Back off! The DSLR isn’t dead, production has ceased, or soon will do so. “The Z 50 f/1.8 is brilliant wall to wall sharp you must have one” actually no, I mustn’t! I haven’t used a 50mm lens for over 20 years and I have no intention of doing so now.

I never said I didn't want to go mirrorless. What I said is that I don't like the Z9 nor Z8. Not for me. Nowhere did I say DSLR is better. I prefer mirrorless hands down but that wasn't the point

 

[GeoffRG]

Also not sure what the purpose is of asking.

Because now Nikon is introducing a camera at the same level as a D850 ( or may be better ) and many were waiting for such a camera in the Z system.

That doesn't clarify any purpose in asking.

I was unaware that Nikon didn't have what ML shooters were referring to as a mirrorless D850. Many said the Z7 was it. Still more figured the Z7ii was it. So many said the AF was as good as a D850.

Everyone agreed the AFC was not at same level as D850 and both the Z's struggled to focus when shooting low light scenes compared to D850.

But assuming you're right, and the Z8 is an ML D850, why would the assumption be that D850 owners would want to switch?

In order to use the best in class Z lenses which are highly praised by Thom Hogan and every reviewer who tested these lenses.

Not sure you really understand what T.O. is saying.

You expect people to swap out $20,000 worth of gear (less or more, depending on the person) to get a body equal to the D850?

You sell and trade in the equipment (D850) to put towards the new equipment. Thats what I did. Then for me I can write off the rest as business expenses. I still have to pay for it. Since I shoot for $. But it helps.

I totally agree with Michaeldawson the Z8 ain’t cheap. Yeah you’ll definitely get a REALLY nice tax write off return but damn you still have to come up with all that money and sell the D850 for less than $2K to get something “equal” in a ML version that’s just crazy. Terrible purchase decision IMHO.

The Z9/8 is just not for me either I don’t need nor want a really fast camera with really high MP and fps. Is just not my thing or work application. If someone wants me to go do a job that requires such beast I rather go rent it and write that off instead. Or have the client provide me such machine.

Don’t get me wrong, I personally don’t like the D850 either, is too damn loud, no portrait position tilt screen, and my wile LOVES the D4 color output for portraits so for now I’m keeping the D4.

Some say that maybe the Z6IIi will be the one for me but who knows we’ll see. THE only reason why I didn’t and haven’t jumped to Canon is because I need tilt screen I really don’t like flippy screens and that’s all canon makes.

Superior Z lenses? I don't disagree with you there. IF you pixel peep. For most shooters they will not see any difference in their photos by shooting with Z lenses. You may feel good because you're shooting with higher IQ lenses, but you'll rarely see the difference in actual viewable output.

True. There is also build quality, all the S lenses are sealed weather/dust/water drips. Whatever that means. Many of the expensive F mount primes are not sealed all the way, only at the rear gasket. For some that might matter.

Tech geeks who chase the latest gear will switch. Those that are more tuned-in to their photography will think long and hard before spending a huge wad of cash to switch with minimal perceived IQ increases.

Or those that professionally shoot for $ that their F mount stuff like mine, bodies nearing 5 years in age and getting higher in shutter count. Video is way better vs DSLR for those that choose that. I'm starting to get more into video since the Z is that good at it.

When ever someone tries to tell me that I “need” to switch to mirrorless something inside my head wants to instantly reply “no, I absolutely do not”. OK so the mirror makes a noise, in most cases, so what. I don’t shoot weddings, too stressful, and often I’m doing the sound and I can’t do both.

With an SLR I can watch through the lens, and focus, without needing any power. If I want to shoot I have only to touch the shutter and the camera takes over focusing. Having to hold a button to stop the viewfinder from going to sleep doesn’t seem logical.

From my seat on the sidelines, many of the “advantages” of mirrorless look like illusions, when weighed against the disadvantages, disadvantages for me that is. We don’t all work the same way, fortunately, and what one person finds they can’t live without another can’t live with. Neither is wrong, what is wrong is trying to persuade someone else that your advantage is something they must have. Just accept that it might not be important to them. Back off! The DSLR isn’t dead, production has ceased, or soon will do so. “The Z 50 f/1.8 is brilliant wall to wall sharp you must have one” actually no, I mustn’t! I haven’t used a 50mm lens for over 20 years and I have no intention of doing so now.

I never said I didn't want to go mirrorless. What I said is that I don't like the Z9 nor Z8. Not for me. Nowhere did I say DSLR is better. I prefer mirrorless hands down but that wasn't the point

Great, but my point was that nobody’s should be telling you what to buy or that your options is wrong. If none of the Nikon Z series meets your requirements then nobody should be telling you otherwise. I simply made my case based on being told what I “need”, something often coming from someone who hasn’t a clue what I really need because they haven’t taken in what I have said. Whether SLR or mirrorless is better is entirely dependent on how you use your cameras.

 

[Vincent O'Sullivan]

I'd love a Camera but...

Quite simply:

1. The capabilities of my current camera (a D850) already exceed my capabilities as a photographer. That is unlikely to change.

2. I'm too invested in FX lenses to start doing a like for like replacement with ones optimised for the Z cameras.

 

[WildlifePhotog]

• nikpharm wrote:

With these specs and size similar to D750 for Z8, would you be willing to switch to Nikon Z mirrorless system (if still using DSLR system).

If "yes", what has made you switch now and if "no" than what is the reason for still not shifting to mirrorless..

• Sensor: 45.7MP (stacked)
• ISO range: 64-25,600
• 20 fps (120fps in JPEG mode)
• 5-axis in-body stabilizations: 6 stops
• Shutter speed: 1/32000 – 900s
• Electronic shutter only
• Autofocus: 493 AF points
• HEIF 10-bit support
• Video: 8.3k @60p
• 3.2″ tilting LCD screens
• EVF: 3MP or 9MP – I am still getting conflicting information
• Memory cards: CFExpress + SD
• Dust/drip resistant: same as the Nikon D850
• Dimensions: 144×118×83mm | 5.6×4.6×3.2in
• Weight: under 1kg
• Price: €4,599

Z8

No l won't buy this.

Don't like evf and also find the majority of the Z range too small and not comfortable (grip) - l refer to Z6/7 in particular. Never do video so l couldn't care less about the big improvements in that area either.

Looked recently at my friend's Z9 and the grip on that is fine but it's a bigger camera so no surprise. But l don't want a Z and DSLRs mixed together so nice that the Z9 looked it didn't come close to making me want to trade in my D6.

Happily sticking with my D6/D850/D500 plus other DSLRs.

Ditto! Plus look at the new Z8 and $500 grip! I thought the point of the Z8…was no grip. I guess Nikon threw this together at the last minute. Amazing fit. I’ll keep my made in Japan Nikon D6!

 

[twamers]

• nikpharm wrote:

With these specs and size similar to D750 for Z8, would you be willing to switch to Nikon Z mirrorless system (if still using DSLR system).

If "yes", what has made you switch now and if "no" than what is the reason for still not shifting to mirrorless..

• Sensor: 45.7MP (stacked)
• ISO range: 64-25,600
• 20 fps (120fps in JPEG mode)
• 5-axis in-body stabilizations: 6 stops
• Shutter speed: 1/32000 – 900s
• Electronic shutter only
• Autofocus: 493 AF points
• HEIF 10-bit support
• Video: 8.3k @60p
• 3.2″ tilting LCD screens
• EVF: 3MP or 9MP – I am still getting conflicting information
• Memory cards: CFExpress + SD
• Dust/drip resistant: same as the Nikon D850
• Dimensions: 144×118×83mm | 5.6×4.6×3.2in
• Weight: under 1kg
• Price: €4,599

Z8

No l won't buy this.

Don't like evf and also find the majority of the Z range too small and not comfortable (grip) - l refer to Z6/7 in particular. Never do video so l couldn't care less about the big improvements in that area either.

Looked recently at my friend's Z9 and the grip on that is fine but it's a bigger camera so no surprise. But l don't want a Z and DSLRs mixed together so nice that the Z9 looked it didn't come close to making me want to trade in my D6.

Happily sticking with my D6/D850/D500 plus other DSLRs.

Ditto! Plus look at the new Z8 and $500 grip! I thought the point of the Z8…was no grip. I guess Nikon threw this together at the last minute. Amazing fit. I’ll keep my made in Japan Nikon D6!

Well I'd not seen the grip...... and well l agree with your comments! Pretty ugly looking with a grip. My D6 just remains a huge keeper.

 

[Fullframer]

• nikpharm wrote:

With these specs and size similar to D750 for Z8, would you be willing to switch to Nikon Z mirrorless system (if still using DSLR system).

If "yes", what has made you switch now and if "no" than what is the reason for still not shifting to mirrorless..

• Sensor: 45.7MP (stacked)
• ISO range: 64-25,600
• 20 fps (120fps in JPEG mode)
• 5-axis in-body stabilizations: 6 stops
• Shutter speed: 1/32000 – 900s
• Electronic shutter only
• Autofocus: 493 AF points
• HEIF 10-bit support
• Video: 8.3k @60p
• 3.2″ tilting LCD screens
• EVF: 3MP or 9MP – I am still getting conflicting information
• Memory cards: CFExpress + SD
• Dust/drip resistant: same as the Nikon D850
• Dimensions: 144×118×83mm | 5.6×4.6×3.2in
• Weight: under 1kg
• Price: €4,599

No l won't buy this.

Don't like evf and also find the majority of the Z range too small and not comfortable (grip) - l refer to Z6/7 in particular. Never do video so l couldn't care less about the big improvements in that area either.

Looked recently at my friend's Z9 and the grip on that is fine but it's a bigger camera so no surprise. But l don't want a Z and DSLRs mixed together so nice that the Z9 looked it didn't come close to making me want to trade in my D6.

Happily sticking with my D6/D850/D500 plus other DSLRs.

Ditto! Plus look at the new Z8 and $500 grip! I thought the point of the Z8…was no grip. I guess Nikon threw this together at the last minute. Amazing fit. I’ll keep my made in Japan Nikon D6!

Thats why I prefer my Z9, 20% physically smaller than a D6 and cheaper and high resolution I need for my paid landscapes. Better FPS etc for sports I now do again.

Doesn't matter where it's made. D850 wasn't made in Japan either. It's a top notch camera.

 

[GeoffRG]

• nikpharm wrote:

With these specs and size similar to D750 for Z8, would you be willing to switch to Nikon Z mirrorless system (if still using DSLR system).

If "yes", what has made you switch now and if "no" than what is the reason for still not shifting to mirrorless..

• Sensor: 45.7MP (stacked)
• ISO range: 64-25,600
• 20 fps (120fps in JPEG mode)
• 5-axis in-body stabilizations: 6 stops
• Shutter speed: 1/32000 – 900s
• Electronic shutter only
• Autofocus: 493 AF points
• HEIF 10-bit support
• Video: 8.3k @60p
• 3.2″ tilting LCD screens
• EVF: 3MP or 9MP – I am still getting conflicting information
• Memory cards: CFExpress + SD
• Dust/drip resistant: same as the Nikon D850
• Dimensions: 144×118×83mm | 5.6×4.6×3.2in
• Weight: under 1kg
• Price: €4,599

Z8

No l won't buy this.

Don't like evf and also find the majority of the Z range too small and not comfortable (grip) - l refer to Z6/7 in particular. Never do video so l couldn't care less about the big improvements in that area either.

Looked recently at my friend's Z9 and the grip on that is fine but it's a bigger camera so no surprise. But l don't want a Z and DSLRs mixed together so nice that the Z9 looked it didn't come close to making me want to trade in my D6.

Happily sticking with my D6/D850/D500 plus other DSLRs.

Ditto! Plus look at the new Z8 and $500 grip! I thought the point of the Z8…was no grip. I guess Nikon threw this together at the last minute. Amazing fit. I’ll keep my made in Japan Nikon D6!

Well I'd not seen the grip...... and well l agree with your comments! Pretty ugly looking with a grip. My D6 just remains a huge keeper.

I agree, Nikon has dropped the ball where battery grips are concerned. Part of the reason appears to be the desire for in camera battery charging, something I can easily manage without. Another driver seems to be increased endurance, putting two batteries in the grip. Having the grip interface with the camera internally doesn’t help either.



The D850, D500 etc. keep the internal battery and have a set of contacts for the interface on the bottom of the camera. The grip takes either one EN-EL15, a set of AAs or, with a different battery lid, an EN-EL18. Neither of these offers USB charging.

Personally, I’d go for the DSLR, style grip and forego the USB charging. All three Z grips are ugly! Back to the drawing board Nikon.

 

[twamers]

• nikpharm wrote:

With these specs and size similar to D750 for Z8, would you be willing to switch to Nikon Z mirrorless system (if still using DSLR system).

If "yes", what has made you switch now and if "no" than what is the reason for still not shifting to mirrorless..

• Sensor: 45.7MP (stacked)
• ISO range: 64-25,600
• 20 fps (120fps in JPEG mode)
• 5-axis in-body stabilizations: 6 stops
• Shutter speed: 1/32000 – 900s
• Electronic shutter only
• Autofocus: 493 AF points
• HEIF 10-bit support
• Video: 8.3k @60p
• 3.2″ tilting LCD screens
• EVF: 3MP or 9MP – I am still getting conflicting information
• Memory cards: CFExpress + SD
• Dust/drip resistant: same as the Nikon D850
• Dimensions: 144×118×83mm | 5.6×4.6×3.2in
• Weight: under 1kg
• Price: €4,599

Z8

No l won't buy this.

Don't like evf and also find the majority of the Z range too small and not comfortable (grip) - l refer to Z6/7 in particular. Never do video so l couldn't care less about the big improvements in that area either.

Looked recently at my friend's Z9 and the grip on that is fine but it's a bigger camera so no surprise. But l don't want a Z and DSLRs mixed together so nice that the Z9 looked it didn't come close to making me want to trade in my D6.

Happily sticking with my D6/D850/D500 plus other DSLRs.

Ditto! Plus look at the new Z8 and $500 grip! I thought the point of the Z8…was no grip. I guess Nikon threw this together at the last minute. Amazing fit. I’ll keep my made in Japan Nikon D6!

Well I'd not seen the grip...... and well l agree with your comments! Pretty ugly looking with a grip. My D6 just remains a huge keeper.

I agree, Nikon has dropped the ball where battery grips are concerned. Part of the reason appears to be the desire for in camera battery charging, something I can easily manage without. Another driver seems to be increased endurance, putting two batteries in the grip. Having the grip interface with the camera internally doesn’t help either.

The D850, D500 etc. keep the internal battery and have a set of contacts for the interface on the bottom of the camera. The grip takes either one EN-EL15, a set of AAs or, with a different battery lid, an EN-EL18. Neither of these offers USB charging.

Personally, I’d go for the DSLR, style grip and forego the USB charging. All three Z grips are ugly! Back to the drawing board Nikon.

I agree. The in camera charging facility by USB I'm sure is very useful for some but I like you can easily manage without it. Also on the Grips for my D850 and D500 they provide plenty of extra battery power for my use. So I was surprised to see the rather ugly offering for the Z8.

 

[GeoffRG]

• nikpharm wrote:

With these specs and size similar to D750 for Z8, would you be willing to switch to Nikon Z mirrorless system (if still using DSLR system).

If "yes", what has made you switch now and if "no" than what is the reason for still not shifting to mirrorless..

• Sensor: 45.7MP (stacked)
• ISO range: 64-25,600
• 20 fps (120fps in JPEG mode)
• 5-axis in-body stabilizations: 6 stops
• Shutter speed: 1/32000 – 900s
• Electronic shutter only
• Autofocus: 493 AF points
• HEIF 10-bit support
• Video: 8.3k @60p
• 3.2″ tilting LCD screens
• EVF: 3MP or 9MP – I am still getting conflicting information
• Memory cards: CFExpress + SD
• Dust/drip resistant: same as the Nikon D850
• Dimensions: 144×118×83mm | 5.6×4.6×3.2in
• Weight: under 1kg
• Price: €4,599

Z8

No l won't buy this.

Don't like evf and also find the majority of the Z range too small and not comfortable (grip) - l refer to Z6/7 in particular. Never do video so l couldn't care less about the big improvements in that area either.

Looked recently at my friend's Z9 and the grip on that is fine but it's a bigger camera so no surprise. But l don't want a Z and DSLRs mixed together so nice that the Z9 looked it didn't come close to making me want to trade in my D6.

Happily sticking with my D6/D850/D500 plus other DSLRs.

Ditto! Plus look at the new Z8 and $500 grip! I thought the point of the Z8…was no grip. I guess Nikon threw this together at the last minute. Amazing fit. I’ll keep my made in Japan Nikon D6!

Well I'd not seen the grip...... and well l agree with your comments! Pretty ugly looking with a grip. My D6 just remains a huge keeper.

I agree, Nikon has dropped the ball where battery grips are concerned. Part of the reason appears to be the desire for in camera battery charging, something I can easily manage without. Another driver seems to be increased endurance, putting two batteries in the grip. Having the grip interface with the camera internally doesn’t help either.

The D850, D500 etc. keep the internal battery and have a set of contacts for the interface on the bottom of the camera. The grip takes either one EN-EL15, a set of AAs or, with a different battery lid, an EN-EL18. Neither of these offers USB charging.

Personally, I’d go for the DSLR, style grip and forego the USB charging. All three Z grips are ugly! Back to the drawing board Nikon.

I agree. The in camera charging facility by USB I'm sure is very useful for some but I like you can easily manage without it. Also on the Grips for my D850 and D500 they provide plenty of extra battery power for my use. So I was surprised to see the rather ugly offering for the Z8.

My view on the USB charging is that it is a "nice to have" rather than a necessity. If I am half way up, or down, a mountain and my battery is getting low I'm not going to plug in a power bank and recharge via USB, I'll change the battery. Even if there is a power socket available I don't want to be tethered to it, that's pointless.

I can see some benefit if, by using a USB cable one can charge the battery in the camera at the same time as charging one in a separate charger but I have managed for nearly 20 years without being able to charge batteries in the camera.

 

[PHXAZCRAIG]

3) Biggest doubt is the battery. We always experienced the best AF performance with bodies using full size battery (voltage/power related issues?). I am not so confident that the En-El 15C (or whatever its latest iteration is) will have enough power to guarantee the Z9 level of performance. And even if it did, are you ok with a few hundreds shots per charge, after you paid 4500+ €/$/whatever?

I buy more than one battery for any camera I own. I have two Z9 batteries so I can just change one if I run out. If I bought a Z8, I'd have a spare battery, or two. No big deal.

4) On a marketing level, what would be the difference between Z8 and Z9? Form factor only? A few less fps? My take is that Z9 is almost 2 years old tech, so people would expect two things: that some of its tech would be transferred into lower models (and this may be the case) but also that there should be some substantial changes to differentiate (more megapixel? Cheaper? New functions?). I guess that the first reaction would be "why did it take 2 years to make this camera? Only to be sure that it wouldn't hurt Z9 sales?"

It seems clear now that what the Z8 really amounts to is a small-body version of the Z9. As such I guess that Nikon could have chosen to make it before the Z9 - but why? First, then Nikon wouldn't have a flagship ML camera. Second, and perhaps the most obvious one, Nikon wouldn't have made as much profit. It's pretty clear from the reactions to the Z8 that a lot more people will be buying one than the Z9, basically almost everyone who wanted a Z9 but couldn't quite afford it. I would probably have been one of those people.

The tradeoff, I suppose, would be the possibility of MORE sales from people who bought a Z8 and then went on to buy a Z9 as well. I think we can all guess that less sales overall would have happened.

I'm happy with my Z9, by the way. If the Z8 had come out instead of the Z9, I would have bought one with the optional grip, and that combo is noticeably bigger than the Z9, even more so than a gripped D850 is bigger than a D6. I always wanted one of the integrated grip cameras, but never felt I could justify/afford one. Now Nikon has 'conned' me into one.

 

[Fullframer]

3) Biggest doubt is the battery. We always experienced the best AF performance with bodies using full size battery (voltage/power related issues?). I am not so confident that the En-El 15C (or whatever its latest iteration is) will have enough power to guarantee the Z9 level of performance. And even if it did, are you ok with a few hundreds shots per charge, after you paid 4500+ €/$/whatever?

I buy more than one battery for any camera I own. I have two Z9 batteries so I can just change one if I run out. If I bought a Z8, I'd have a spare battery, or two. No big deal.

true the same here with an extra battery. the fact is that Z9 battery will last you about double and sometimes you can't change the battery due to weather conditions outdoors etc it's nicer to have a longer lasting one

4) On a marketing level, what would be the difference between Z8 and Z9? Form factor only? A few less fps? My take is that Z9 is almost 2 years old tech, so people would expect two things: that some of its tech would be transferred into lower models (and this may be the case) but also that there should be some substantial changes to differentiate (more megapixel? Cheaper? New functions?). I guess that the first reaction would be "why did it take 2 years to make this camera? Only to be sure that it wouldn't hurt Z9 sales?"

It seems clear now that what the Z8 really amounts to is a small-body version of the Z9. As such I guess that Nikon could have chosen to make it before the Z9 - but why? First, then Nikon wouldn't have a flagship ML camera. Second, and perhaps the most obvious one, Nikon wouldn't have made as much profit. It's pretty clear from the reactions to the Z8 that a lot more people will be buying one than the Z9, basically almost everyone who wanted a Z9 but couldn't quite afford it. I would probably have been one of those people.

True but once you factor in a grip and extra batteries the cost gets closer.

The tradeoff, I suppose, would be the possibility of MORE sales from people who bought a Z8 and then went on to buy a Z9 as well. I think we can all guess that less sales overall would have happened.

I'm happy with my Z9, by the way.

me too

If the Z8 had come out instead of the Z9, I would have bought one with the optional grip,

no I still would have gone with the Z9 Z8 is bigger heavier and more close in price

and that combo is noticeably bigger than the Z9, even more so than a gripped D850 is bigger than a D6.

I didn't mind the extra weight/size much with the D850 because it's grip took the bigger D5/D6 battery Z8 doesn't

I always wanted one of the integrated grip cameras, but never felt I could justify/afford one. Now Nikon has 'conned' me into one.

once you do extended portrait shooting longer periods of using the camera at paid shoots etc wirh pro heavier F2.8 zooms grip is worth it Other wise , vacation family stuff, grip isn't really needed

--
Phoenix Arizona Craig
www.cjcphoto.net
"I miss the days when I was nostalgic."

 

[GeoffRG]

3) Biggest doubt is the battery. We always experienced the best AF performance with bodies using full size battery (voltage/power related issues?). I am not so confident that the En-El 15C (or whatever its latest iteration is) will have enough power to guarantee the Z9 level of performance. And even if it did, are you ok with a few hundreds shots per charge, after you paid 4500+ €/$/whatever?

I buy more than one battery for any camera I own. I have two Z9 batteries so I can just change one if I run out. If I bought a Z8, I'd have a spare battery, or two. No big deal.

true the same here with an extra battery. the fact is that Z9 battery will last you about double and sometimes you can't change the battery due to weather conditions outdoors etc it's nicer to have a longer lasting one

4) On a marketing level, what would be the difference between Z8 and Z9? Form factor only? A few less fps? My take is that Z9 is almost 2 years old tech, so people would expect two things: that some of its tech would be transferred into lower models (and this may be the case) but also that there should be some substantial changes to differentiate (more megapixel? Cheaper? New functions?). I guess that the first reaction would be "why did it take 2 years to make this camera? Only to be sure that it wouldn't hurt Z9 sales?"

It seems clear now that what the Z8 really amounts to is a small-body version of the Z9. As such I guess that Nikon could have chosen to make it before the Z9 - but why? First, then Nikon wouldn't have a flagship ML camera. Second, and perhaps the most obvious one, Nikon wouldn't have made as much profit. It's pretty clear from the reactions to the Z8 that a lot more people will be buying one than the Z9, basically almost everyone who wanted a Z9 but couldn't quite afford it. I would probably have been one of those people.

True but once you factor in a grip and extra batteries the cost gets closer.

The tradeoff, I suppose, would be the possibility of MORE sales from people who bought a Z8 and then went on to buy a Z9 as well. I think we can all guess that less sales overall would have happened.

I'm happy with my Z9, by the way.

me too

If the Z8 had come out instead of the Z9, I would have bought one with the optional grip,

no I still would have gone with the Z9 Z8 is bigger heavier and more close in price

and that combo is noticeably bigger than the Z9, even more so than a gripped D850 is bigger than a D6.

I didn't mind the extra weight/size much with the D850 because it's grip took the bigger D5/D6 battery Z8 doesn't

I always wanted one of the integrated grip cameras, but never felt I could justify/afford one. Now Nikon has 'conned' me into one.

once you do extended portrait shooting longer periods of using the camera at paid shoots etc wirh pro heavier F2.8 zooms grip is worth it Other wise , vacation family stuff, grip isn't really needed

Irrespective of your views on which batteries to buy, it is always worth having one, or more, spares. Even if I were 100% ready to buy mirrorless and money were no object, I wouldn’t buy any current Nikon except a Z9 simply because none of the others can use the EN-EL18, of which I have a good number. I simply cannot understand Nikon’s thinking where grips are concerned.

 

[Fullframer]

3) Biggest doubt is the battery. We always experienced the best AF performance with bodies using full size battery (voltage/power related issues?). I am not so confident that the En-El 15C (or whatever its latest iteration is) will have enough power to guarantee the Z9 level of performance. And even if it did, are you ok with a few hundreds shots per charge, after you paid 4500+ €/$/whatever?

I buy more than one battery for any camera I own. I have two Z9 batteries so I can just change one if I run out. If I bought a Z8, I'd have a spare battery, or two. No big deal.

true the same here with an extra battery. the fact is that Z9 battery will last you about double and sometimes you can't change the battery due to weather conditions outdoors etc it's nicer to have a longer lasting one

4) On a marketing level, what would be the difference between Z8 and Z9? Form factor only? A few less fps? My take is that Z9 is almost 2 years old tech, so people would expect two things: that some of its tech would be transferred into lower models (and this may be the case) but also that there should be some substantial changes to differentiate (more megapixel? Cheaper? New functions?). I guess that the first reaction would be "why did it take 2 years to make this camera? Only to be sure that it wouldn't hurt Z9 sales?"

It seems clear now that what the Z8 really amounts to is a small-body version of the Z9. As such I guess that Nikon could have chosen to make it before the Z9 - but why? First, then Nikon wouldn't have a flagship ML camera. Second, and perhaps the most obvious one, Nikon wouldn't have made as much profit. It's pretty clear from the reactions to the Z8 that a lot more people will be buying one than the Z9, basically almost everyone who wanted a Z9 but couldn't quite afford it. I would probably have been one of those people.

True but once you factor in a grip and extra batteries the cost gets closer.

The tradeoff, I suppose, would be the possibility of MORE sales from people who bought a Z8 and then went on to buy a Z9 as well. I think we can all guess that less sales overall would have happened.

I'm happy with my Z9, by the way.

me too

If the Z8 had come out instead of the Z9, I would have bought one with the optional grip,

no I still would have gone with the Z9 Z8 is bigger heavier and more close in price

and that combo is noticeably bigger than the Z9, even more so than a gripped D850 is bigger than a D6.

I didn't mind the extra weight/size much with the D850 because it's grip took the bigger D5/D6 battery Z8 doesn't

I always wanted one of the integrated grip cameras, but never felt I could justify/afford one. Now Nikon has 'conned' me into one.

once you do extended portrait shooting longer periods of using the camera at paid shoots etc wirh pro heavier F2.8 zooms grip is worth it Other wise , vacation family stuff, grip isn't really needed

Irrespective of your views on which batteries to buy, it is always worth having one, or more, spares. Even if I were 100% ready to buy mirrorless and money were no object, I wouldn’t buy any current Nikon except a Z9 simply because none of the others can use the EN-EL18, of which I have a good number. I simply cannot understand Nikon’s thinking where grips are concerned.

I have a bunch of ENEL18 and charger I kept from my old D5 and D850's that had grips that used them. Plus my Z9 came with a free Nikon branded battery, part of a promo. Agreed on the grips.

 

[dccberry]

I can't see switching to any Nikon mirrorless for the foreseeable future. My D850 gets used every day in the studio for copying artwork for clients and portrait work, and I am totally happy with the Fuji X-H2s system for all editorial work. Professionals switch gear way less often than enthusiasts I believe, as "latest and greatest" does not necessarily give the client a better final product.

 

[Fullframer]

I can't see switching to any Nikon mirrorless for the foreseeable future

My D850 gets used every day in the studio for copying artwork for clients and portrait work, and I am totally happy with the Fuji X-H2s system for all editorial work. Professionals switch gear way less often than enthusiasts

you would be surprised. I know pros that switch everytime the latest body comes out I also know ones that don't . I switch bodies about every 5 years. I don't want one breaking down in the field.

I believe, as "latest and greatest" does not necessarily give the client a better final product.

--
http://www.conklinphoto.com

 

[dccberry]

I can't see switching to any Nikon mirrorless for the foreseeable future

My D850 gets used every day in the studio for copying artwork for clients and portrait work, and I am totally happy with the Fuji X-H2s system for all editorial work. Professionals switch gear way less often than enthusiasts

you would be surprised. I know pros that switch everytime the latest body comes out I also know ones that don't . I switch bodies about every 5 years. I don't want one breaking down in the field.

Every five years is pretty plausible for pro use. I have never had gear fail in the field fortunately. Most "prosumer" gear like the Nikon and Fuji systems are well made. My point was that the photographer contributes way more to the finished image quality than the gear for the most part.

 

[yray]

The thought never crossed my mind. I haven't even read Z8 specs carefully. I see no possible rationale. Nikon has already made me happy, or at least satisfied, but I have no intention whatsoever to keep paying for it for the rest of my life by going through pointless (for me) refreshers.