Switching to Fuji... ?

[hungrylau]

A few positives that I could see from my brother's xpro-1 and xpro 2 over and above the a6000 and likely, the a6500:

• better SOOC jpgs
• better whitebalance and in particular, better performance under artificial light to determine the correct wb
• jpg simulation bracketing
• better sooc skin tones
• better auto-iso modes
• more readily acceptable look to other people watching you taking photos

That "better jpeg" talk is just a marketing legend. Most users will get weird colors with Fuji if they'll use film sims with adjustments, just like some samples above. Exactly "fuji-like" and not pleasing at all. And there's not much of adjustments: saturation, S&H and sharpness. With Sony you have almost unlimited possibilities of JPEG color tuning. But you need to get into color science a bit or search for ready recipes like EOSHD Pro Color.

If it was marketing, then it wouldn't be subject to such posts like these:

• https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4333963
• https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4330421
• https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4295423
• https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1567879/0
• http://www.piraccini.net/2011/02/profili-colore-sony-a900-per-adobe-lr.html
• https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1563324
• https://www.fujirumors.com/skin-ton...1-2-l-zeiss-batis-85-panasonic-leica-42-51-2/ - fwiw - I like the m43 image the most in this

Perception of pleasing colour is quite a tricky thing because we're all shaped differently by our experiences. There's all this talk about canon colours and fuji colours and there's no doubt that whatever marketing was involved there has influenced sony to change its colour science to try to match. I'm looking forward to seeing the new sony apsc body as that's what I'm keen to upgrade to. Otherwise, it's the a7rii or a7iii.

Notwithstanding these other issues that we talk about, currently with rebates the sonys are priced extremely aggressively. It makes all its competitors look bloody expensive and it easily offsets the cost of the allegedly expensive sony glass.

 

[SpacemanUA]

If it was marketing, then it wouldn't be subject to such posts like these:

• https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4333963
• https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4330421
• https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4295423
• https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1567879/0
• http://www.piraccini.net/2011/02/profili-colore-sony-a900-per-adobe-lr.html
• https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1563324
• https://www.fujirumors.com/skin-ton...1-2-l-zeiss-batis-85-panasonic-leica-42-51-2/ - fwiw - I like the m43 image the most in this

Perception of pleasing colour is quite a tricky thing because we're all shaped differently by our experiences. There's all this talk about canon colours and fuji colours and there's no doubt that whatever marketing was involved there has influenced sony to change its colour science to try to match. I'm looking forward to seeing the new sony apsc body as that's what I'm keen to upgrade to. Otherwise, it's the a7rii or a7iii.

Notwithstanding these other issues that we talk about, currently with rebates the sonys are priced extremely aggressively. It makes all its competitors look bloody expensive and it easily offsets the cost of the allegedly expensive sony glass.

It's absolutely ok to learn and try to achieve a better result. That's what it's all about. Open, say, Imaging-resourse or download samples here on dpreview studio test scene and try to choose where are Sony, Fuji or Canon shots based only on color. I'm into photo for 10+ years and haven't heard all this bs about "canon colors" before. So, what does that mean? That means that if you're losing in tech race, you have to create some idea that will give your customers advantage with no real evidence that there is some "magic" like they call it. So when we speak about "canon colors" we mean canon 5d colors? Or 6d? Or 5d4? Or maybe some old 1dmk1? If you'll look at test scene on different canon cameras, you'll see that they have different color reproduction. And that's the most obvious evidence that all this thing is just someone's great marketing idea. Just like Fuji's that tries to sell their geir to enthusiasts and pros telling it has "film simulations" (which are basically few picture profiles or presets, how other brands calll that feauture). But who will buy a product with "cool picture profiles"? No one. But a lot will buy "film simulations" because of modern instagram/vsco obsession. Should I say that those "film sims" has nothing to do with real film in terms of color?

That's why I'm sayin is if you need "canon color" or "fuji color" or "leica color" or whatever "color", and, I assume, by saying that one should be really good with color science, Sony provides a nice feature to setup camera picture profiles to any color you like. And, AFAIK, it's a pretty unique feature right now. If Sony will step forward, they can hire color engineers and develop various profiles and sell them as an app or some additional feaure. If canon can sell c-log for 5D4, why can't others sell software updates?

 

[Robobonobo]

A few positives that I could see from my brother's xpro-1 and xpro 2 over and above the a6000 and likely, the a6500:

• better SOOC jpgs
• better whitebalance and in particular, better performance under artificial light to determine the correct wb
• jpg simulation bracketing
• better sooc skin tones
• better auto-iso modes
• more readily acceptable look to other people watching you taking photos

That "better jpeg" talk is just a marketing legend. Most users will get weird colors with Fuji if they'll use film sims with adjustments, just like some samples above. Exactly "fuji-like" and not pleasing at all. And there's not much of adjustments: saturation, S&H and sharpness. With Sony you have almost unlimited possibilities of JPEG color tuning. But you need to get into color science a bit or search for ready recipes like EOSHD Pro Color.

If it was marketing, then it wouldn't be subject to such posts like these:

• https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4333963
• https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4330421
• https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4295423
• https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1567879/0
• http://www.piraccini.net/2011/02/profili-colore-sony-a900-per-adobe-lr.html
• https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1563324
• https://www.fujirumors.com/skin-ton...1-2-l-zeiss-batis-85-panasonic-leica-42-51-2/ - fwiw - I like the m43 image the most in this

Perception of pleasing colour is quite a tricky thing because we're all shaped differently by our experiences. There's all this talk about canon colours and fuji colours and there's no doubt that whatever marketing was involved there has influenced sony to change its colour science to try to match. I'm looking forward to seeing the new sony apsc body as that's what I'm keen to upgrade to. Otherwise, it's the a7rii or a7iii.

Notwithstanding these other issues that we talk about, currently with rebates the sonys are priced extremely aggressively. It makes all its competitors look bloody expensive and it easily offsets the cost of the allegedly expensive sony glass.

 

[Nerg]

Tony just post a video on the subject:

 

[BlueBomberTurbo]

- Good quality affordable telezoom (Fuji has the 55-200, Sony's 2nd cheapest is the 70-200 f4 at over €1000)

My alternative to that is the Canon 55-250 STM. Excellent image quality, quick AF, very light and compact, and crazy cheap refurb'd ($130ish). My go-to lens when I don't feel I need the reach of my Sigma 150-600 C.

 

[hungrylau]

Notwithstanding these other issues that we talk about, currently with rebates the sonys are priced extremely aggressively. It makes all its competitors look bloody expensive and it easily offsets the cost of the allegedly expensive sony glass.

What Sony rebates are available?

These are for australian and new zealand purchasers, from stores within the region. See examples here:

• https://store.sony.com.au/eftposgiftcard - bonus eftpos giftcard on selected sony cameras - shows a list
• https://promotions.sonyanz.com/eftposgiftcard - form submission

Then three examples of shops with a web presence and a bricks and mortar presence:

1. https://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.com.au/
2. https://www.camerapro.com.au/
3. https://www.digidirect.com.au/

If you're outside of the ANZAC region, I am unsure as to whether you are able to claim such bonuses.

 

[C.Eaton]

My NEX6 has finally bit the dust after six superb years service.

First the flash started playing up a few months ago randomly not firing but I hardly use it so it's not a biggie. Then a few weeks ago the flash actually shorted out across the function wheel, I didn't get a shock but I saw the jump.

Then this weekend I was out and about and the body is now randomly not recognising lens attached to it, though racking the lens on/off against the contacts eventually gets it to play nicely.

So, a replacement. I did like the look of the X-T3 but I've been Sony mirrorless since the 5 days when I finally junked all my pro Canon gear.

I must admit I still like the idea of just going 6500 and being done with it but with rumours of a possible new model in the offing I've done that enough times to hold off and wait.

Two of probably the last images the old girl reluctantly produced:

 

[Sefira23]

After waiting for months (even years...) for a worthy update of my A6000, I don't have the patience to wait any longer and bought a used Fuji X-T20, just to check if I like it. I'm still new to the system so for now I'm not sure it's the right move for me, but here are some stuff I really like, in no particular order:

* Zoom on your focus point when reviewing image

* Horizontal line (I think A6300 and A6500 also have it)

* Integrated timelapse function

* Dials

* The 18-55 kit lens with F2.8 aperture 18mm, and sharper than my 1k$ SEL1670

* Fuji colors. Not sure if that's true or if the Fuji marketing start to work on me, but I think I prefer the colors I gets from the Fuji.

* Touch to shot - nice for stealthy street photo

That being said, I still prefer the handling of the A6000, which is more confortable to hold. I will continue to shoot both for some time to see which one I prefer.

Does anybody have made the same experience ? What makes you stay with Sony or switch to Fuji ?

Cheers

I came from X-T20 to a6300 and now to a6500.

If I'm not mistaken, Sony zooms to AF point too. But I need to check it again.

There's timelapse too with app.

Yes, dials placement is better on X-T20, but they're not really nice to use. Feels cheap. Most of all I liked Oly E-M10 II dials. Those are awesome.

18-55 kit is nothing special, just overhyped. 16-50 fuji performs the same. Sony's 16-50 at f/8 is almost identical to those. And if you need 2.8-4 lens, you can always get Sigma 17-70/2.8-4 C with LA-EA3 or MC-11. Anyway, didn't like that fuji lens.

As for fuji colors - they're special. You may or may not like it. But those presets (of course those are just presets, not "film simulation") need to make adjustemnts on the go and if you missed something, all that jpeg magic is gone. And with X-T20's cold-toned display it's easy to miss color. As for Sony, it has awesome picture profile settings. You can customize in to get basically any look you need. Sure, it takes time and not easy, but this option is amazing. You can goole some ready-to-use settings too, like EOSHD Sony Pro Color. So, considering this, Sony is winner here. Just because you can't deeply customize fuij's presets.

Touchscreen on X-T20 is just bad. It's very laggy. a6500's is better although it's far from Panasonic's.

Build quality is way, way better with a6300 and a6500. Very sturdy cameras while X-T20 feels like "plastic camera".

Sony has NFC. Sounds like no big deal, but it saves time.

Fuji has awful, awful Andrioid app.

X-T20 has unnecesarily "downgrades" from X-T2 like tripod mount placement. It's placed off the optical axis, which is a cheap move from Fuji. At least there are $40-50 chinese made (1:1 original fuji) metal grips with proper mount placement.

I'm not a fan of fuji controls. With Sony (and pretty much any other modern camera) you can control it with one hand. With Fuji you need two cause aperture can only be set with lens dial (with XF lenses obviously). And those tend to wear out, gather dust, stuck, etc. I rented 56/1.2 that had really stiff ring, almost unusable. It's fancy but not practical at all. Same goes for PASM modes and it absence on Fuji. For example, if you need to switch from A to S mode, on "all" cameras you have to do just 2 wheel clicks, and you're ready to go, especially if you preset shutter speed, while on Fuji you need to click aperture ring to "A" mode and then select shutter speed with another wheel - it has to stay in A if you want to shoot in aperture priority.

And many more small quirks. Not that Sony doesn't have those, but for me Fuji has more.

And last but not least - lenses. Fuji lenses are very expensive while Sony has a lot to choose from. For me, Sigma was a solid argument to switch and I'm happy with that. You can have 16/1.4 for half of the Fuji's price and 30/1.4 cheaper and with quieter and faster AF than XF35/1.4. And with new 56/1.4 you'll have almost the same speed as XF56/1.2 but sharper, faster to focus and with less weigh. For a half price. Cheap zooms like 16-50 and 55-210 are almost the same. And I couldn't convince myself to pay $450-500 for f/2 fuji lenses.

That's my story

Hmm interesting. I just got my first Fuji (the x-T100 which is basically the same as the xt20 except slower af and a Bayer sensor. I’m honestly thinking maybe I should’ve gone with Sony :/ Fuji has some nice lenses, but there’s no real “affordable” options or third party lenses. The af on my camera with the 35 1.4 lens is slower than my canon rebel camera using a $100 something 50 1.8 stm lens. Trying to decide if I should switch systems before I get too many lenses for Fuji or if I should stick with it longer and see. Because I also don’t know what camera I would upgrade too after this one in the Fuji system. X-trans files kind of scare me and I’ve never used a camera without a PASM dial and not sure I would like it. :/ but I also remember Sony not having a good quality affordable zoom (like the Fuji 50-230). Sorry for the rant lol

 

[val1]

After waiting for months (even years...) for a worthy update of my A6000, I don't have the patience to wait any longer and bought a used Fuji X-T20, just to check if I like it. I'm still new to the system so for now I'm not sure it's the right move for me, but here are some stuff I really like, in no particular order:

I tried an XT20. Great little camera. AFC is not as good as the new sony and video has some odd stuff but otherwise awesome.

* Zoom on your focus point when reviewing image

...why would i want this?

* Horizontal line (I think A6300 and A6500 also have it)

huh? Oh the level? I had it on my nex6 as well. Great option. NO idea why why sony killed it on the A6000. Nice feature but you can use a bubble level on your flash hot shoe.

* Integrated timelapse function

....not something I care about.

* Dials

oh god yes. I am a manual shooter ant the Sony APSC physical controls made me want to stab people.

* The 18-55 kit lens with F2.8 aperture 18mm, and sharper than my 1k$ SEL1670

agreed but that has been well known for years. You can check out my complaints from years ago although many zeiss 16-70 owners refused to accept that possibility of this being true.

* Fuji colors. Not sure if that's true or if the Fuji marketing start to work on me, but I think I prefer the colors I gets from the Fuji.

jpeg.. sure. I shoot raw. You can set up automated custom import filters. This will make anything look fine.

* Touch to shot - nice for stealthy street photo

The touch screen implementation on all of them needs some work. I think fuji is better than the sony A6500, but honestly apple is laughing at them both.

That being said, I still prefer the handling of the A6000, which is more confortable to hold. I will continue to shoot both for some time to see which one I prefer.

For me the AFC keeps bringing me back...

Does anybody have made the same experience ? What makes you stay with Sony or switch to Fuji ?

sony full frame is calling to me.. and i have nikon full frame already...

Cheers

 

[Nerg]

After waiting for months (even years...) for a worthy update of my A6000, I don't have the patience to wait any longer and bought a used Fuji X-T20, just to check if I like it. I'm still new to the system so for now I'm not sure it's the right move for me, but here are some stuff I really like, in no particular order:

I tried an XT20. Great little camera. AFC is not as good as the new sony and video has some odd stuff but otherwise awesome.

* Zoom on your focus point when reviewing image

...why would i want this?

I find this very usefull.

Sometimes an image looks sharp on the LCD screen of the camera but then in post it appears it's out of focus.

I like to see quickly if the image is in focus by checking the focus point. On my A6000, when I zoom on the image, it always zoom in the middle.

On the Fuji, it directly zoom on the focus point. If it zooms not where I intend to, I already know the image would not be what I wanted (due to user error or focus error). If it zomms where I wanted to focus, I can easily check sharpness (sometimes it's not sharp due to motion blur, then I can change shutter speed, etc...).

* Fuji colors. Not sure if that's true or if the Fuji marketing start to work on me, but I think I prefer the colors I gets from the Fuji.

jpeg.. sure. I shoot raw. You can set up automated custom import filters. This will make anything look fine.

I try to shoot in JPEG now. I've shoot in raw for many years but I didn't find major reasons to continue, except when WB is off. Bad exposure is surprisingly easy to recover even in JPEG. I think JPEG is enough for my needs if I'm carefull with WB (I don't do landscape).

Does anybody have made the same experience ? What makes you stay with Sony or switch to Fuji ?

sony full frame is calling to me.. and i have nikon full frame already...

Yes, FF bodies start to become cheap now... < 1000$ for A7 II. But I don't like the size of the body + zoom you get with FF. Maybe with F4 zooms, but they are still expensive for what you get, like the SEL2470F4Z. If Sony make a G zoom 24-70 F4 reasonably priced, I may be tempted to switch FF.

Cheers (sorry for bad english, not my native language)

 

[FunkySpoo]

After waiting for months (even years...) for a worthy update of my A6000, I don't have the patience to wait any longer and bought a used Fuji X-T20, just to check if I like it. I'm still new to the system so for now I'm not sure it's the right move for me, but here are some stuff I really like, in no particular order:

* Zoom on your focus point when reviewing image

The a6500 does this.

* Horizontal line (I think A6300 and A6500 also have it)

Yup, a6500 has it

* Integrated timelapse function

That would be nice but not a necessity, for me anyway

* Dials

I keep reading this and I guess for many that's a big deal but when I'm in manual mode the dial on top, next to the PASM dial, controls the shutter and the control wheel on the back controls the aperture. Aren't those "dials"?

* The 18-55 kit lens with F2.8 aperture 18mm, and sharper than my 1k$ SEL1670

Yup a sharper kit lens would be nice but the current kit lens can be used to great affect. Look for a member here named skanter and go to his website of street photography. He's got a ton of shots there using the kit lens and they fantastic.

* Fuji colors. Not sure if that's true or if the Fuji marketing start to work on me, but I think I prefer the colors I gets from the Fuji.

I only shoot RAW so don't need Fuji's color

* Touch to shot - nice for stealthy street photo

Maybe that would be nice but I always hold my camera in the ready to shoot position so a slight press of the shutter is pretty stealthy especially with silent shutter mode

That being said, I still prefer the handling of the A6000, which is more confortable to hold. I will continue to shoot both for some time to see which one I prefer.

Does anybody have made the same experience ? What makes you stay with Sony or switch to Fuji ?

Cheers

Fuji must be doing something right though as their camera owners seem to love their cameras more than Sony camera owners seem to.

 

[Dennis]

I keep reading this and I guess for many that's a big deal but when I'm in manual mode the dial on top, next to the PASM dial, controls the shutter and the control wheel on the back controls the aperture. Aren't those "dials"?

Well, the rear control wheel gets the job done, but it's awfully fiddly in my experience.

Fuji must be doing something right though as their camera owners seem to love their cameras more than Sony camera owners seem to.

It's easy to see - their APS-C X system is their primary digital camera line and they've paid a lot of attention to the system, with regular updates of bodies, new lenses, and ongoing firmware updates that even improve out of production cameras. So while the system may not be for everyone, people who do buy in are bound to have more loyalty than to other brands. Not all is rosy - some people leave Fuji, some shoot multiple systems, some wish Fuji would ditch X-Trans ...

- Dennis
--
Gallery at http://kingofthebeasts.smugmug.com

 

[boy_wander]

I'm an a6500 user and will be upgrading to the XT3 over the A7iii. I lost hope for Sony APSC and Fuji even beats out the A7iii for me.

I'm a hybrid shooter and as far as stills go a6500 is more than enough even for astrophotography but when it comes to video I feel so hindered by Sony. Rolling shutter is almost non existent in XT3, very clean and sharp 120 fps and 4k60... 400mbps for heavy movements, and f log is so much better than slog2

 

[BlueBomberTurbo]

I'm an a6500 user and will be upgrading to the XT3 over the A7iii. I lost hope for Sony APSC and Fuji even beats out the A7iii for me.

I'm a hybrid shooter and as far as stills go a6500 is more than enough even for astrophotography but when it comes to video I feel so hindered by Sony. Rolling shutter is almost non existent in XT3, very clean and sharp 120 fps and 4k60... 400mbps for heavy movements, and f log is so much better than slog2

Might want to wait for the A6700/A7000. Guaranteed to have at least the same sensor, if not better, and equal or better specs. Sony did it before with the X-T2 vs A6300. X-T2 launched first, then the A6300 came out, and it took a battery grip and years of FW updates to try to match Sony's performance.

About F-Log, are you using LUTs or editing the raw footage? S-Log3 + SGamut3 has incredibly wide DR and color gamut. Not sure if Fuji can match it, let alone surpass it. You can also find LUTs that convert SLogs to F-Log, though the Eterna LUT from Fuji does work on S-Log2 by itself.

 

[SpacemanUA]

I find this very usefull.

Sometimes an image looks sharp on the LCD screen of the camera but then in post it appears it's out of focus.

I like to see quickly if the image is in focus by checking the focus point. On my A6000, when I zoom on the image, it always zoom in the middle.

On the Fuji, it directly zoom on the focus point. If it zooms not where I intend to, I already know the image would not be what I wanted (due to user error or focus error). If it zomms where I wanted to focus, I can easily check sharpness (sometimes it's not sharp due to motion blur, then I can change shutter speed, etc...).

There's actually a funny thing about that. On X-T20 100% preview looks blurred or like 50-60% quality. Or like in-built preview upsized 2-3 times. So you can't actually "see" how sharp the image is and need to use PC monitor or smartphone to check this. With Sony, it's real 100% preview with all the details.

It's easy to see - their APS-C X system is their primary digital camera line and they've paid a lot of attention to the system, with regular updates of bodies, new lenses, and ongoing firmware updates that even improve out of production cameras. So while the system may not be for everyone, people who do buy in are bound to have more loyalty than to other brands. Not all is rosy - some people leave Fuji, some shoot multiple systems, some wish Fuji would ditch X-Trans ...

And lot of paid reviews and bloggers. I've read all that stuff. It's especially funny when they're trying to "honestly compare" Fuji to other cameras with really unfair conditions. But yeah, Fuji owners love that. And when someone doubts it - he gets smacked down Some kind of mass obsession.

I'm an a6500 user and will be upgrading to the XT3 over the A7iii. I lost hope for Sony APSC and Fuji even beats out the A7iii for me.

I'm a hybrid shooter and as far as stills go a6500 is more than enough even for astrophotography but when it comes to video I feel so hindered by Sony. Rolling shutter is almost non existent in XT3, very clean and sharp 120 fps and 4k60... 400mbps for heavy movements, and f log is so much better than slog2

See you in few months after a6700/a7000 release and after you'll sell your X-T3

 

[boy_wander]

I'm an a6500 user and will be upgrading to the XT3 over the A7iii. I lost hope for Sony APSC and Fuji even beats out the A7iii for me.

I'm a hybrid shooter and as far as stills go a6500 is more than enough even for astrophotography but when it comes to video I feel so hindered by Sony. Rolling shutter is almost non existent in XT3, very clean and sharp 120 fps and 4k60... 400mbps for heavy movements, and f log is so much better than slog2

Might want to wait for the A6700/A7000. Guaranteed to have at least the same sensor, if not better, and equal or better specs. Sony did it before with the X-T2 vs A6300. X-T2 launched first, then the A6300 came out, and it took a battery grip and years of FW updates to try to match Sony's performance.

About F-Log, are you using LUTs or editing the raw footage? S-Log3 + SGamut3 has incredibly wide DR and color gamut. Not sure if Fuji can match it, let alone surpass it. You can also find LUTs that convert SLogs to F-Log, though the Eterna LUT from Fuji does work on S-Log2 by itself.

Sony is really good at being first and I admire them for that, but Fuji demonstrated in the past that they are in it for the long run. If Sony was purely APSC I'd have a different opinion but it's been evident for a while now that Sony's roadmap is to lead their APSC users to the eventual upgrade to their FF line up.

No alpha camera can handle slog3, the 8 bit falls apart really quickly when you being to push the colors. It takes me quite a bit of work to color correct (getting rid of tints) and correcting skin tones before I add my creative LUT. I have a couple of custom PP that I paid and even some high end LUTS I got online. Despite that, a few minutes working with F-log made me realize that I can get even better colors in a fraction of the time.

I'm still keeping my a6500 and leave my sigma 16 1.4 attached on it forever since that combo I find to be perfect for landscape photography but when it comes to all other types of filming and photo I'll commit fully to Fuji

 

[José B]

After waiting for months (even years...) for a worthy update of my A6000, I don't have the patience to wait any longer and bought a used Fuji X-T20, just to check if I like it. I'm still new to the system so for now I'm not sure it's the right move for me, but here are some stuff I really like, in no particular order:

* Zoom on your focus point when reviewing image

* Horizontal line (I think A6300 and A6500 also have it)

* Integrated timelapse function

* Dials

* The 18-55 kit lens with F2.8 aperture 18mm, and sharper than my 1k$ SEL1670

* Fuji colors. Not sure if that's true or if the Fuji marketing start to work on me, but I think I prefer the colors I gets from the Fuji.

* Touch to shot - nice for stealthy street photo

That being said, I still prefer the handling of the A6000, which is more confortable to hold. I will continue to shoot both for some time to see which one I prefer.

Does anybody have made the same experience ? What makes you stay with Sony or switch to Fuji ?

Cheers

No bad experience here, love my A6000 and lenses. Will complete the lineup if there’s a Black Friday deal with the Batis 85/1.8.

 

[BlueBomberTurbo]

I'm an a6500 user and will be upgrading to the XT3 over the A7iii. I lost hope for Sony APSC and Fuji even beats out the A7iii for me.

I'm a hybrid shooter and as far as stills go a6500 is more than enough even for astrophotography but when it comes to video I feel so hindered by Sony. Rolling shutter is almost non existent in XT3, very clean and sharp 120 fps and 4k60... 400mbps for heavy movements, and f log is so much better than slog2

Might want to wait for the A6700/A7000. Guaranteed to have at least the same sensor, if not better, and equal or better specs. Sony did it before with the X-T2 vs A6300. X-T2 launched first, then the A6300 came out, and it took a battery grip and years of FW updates to try to match Sony's performance.

About F-Log, are you using LUTs or editing the raw footage? S-Log3 + SGamut3 has incredibly wide DR and color gamut. Not sure if Fuji can match it, let alone surpass it. You can also find LUTs that convert SLogs to F-Log, though the Eterna LUT from Fuji does work on S-Log2 by itself.

Sony is really good at being first and I admire them for that, but Fuji demonstrated in the past that they are in it for the long run. If Sony was purely APSC I'd have a different opinion but it's been evident for a while now that Sony's roadmap is to lead their APSC users to the eventual upgrade to their FF line up.

Remember Fuji's DSLRs? They didn't last for the long run. Just because Sony was taking time to flesh out its FF selection doesn't mean they're done with APS-C. They even said more APS-C cameras, lenses, and pro bodies are coming soon.

No alpha camera can handle slog3, the 8 bit falls apart really quickly when you being to push the colors. It takes me quite a bit of work to color correct (getting rid of tints) and correcting skin tones before I add my creative LUT. I have a couple of custom PP that I paid and even some high end LUTS I got online. Despite that, a few minutes working with F-log made me realize that I can get even better colors in a fraction of the time.

DIY S-Log to F-Log LUT:

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cameramanben.github.io

 

[Off The Mark]

No alpha camera can handle slog3, the 8 bit falls apart really quickly when you being to push the colors. It takes me quite a bit of work to color correct (getting rid of tints) and correcting skin tones before I add my creative LUT. I have a couple of custom PP that I paid and even some high end LUTS I got online. Despite that, a few minutes working with F-log made me realize that I can get even better colors in a fraction of the time.

True, but that is not so much because F Log is better (inherently) than S Log, but because the fuji codec is 1) less compressed, and 2) 10-bit.

If / when Sony decides to unleash 10-bit 4:2:2 with less compression, then they will be equal most likely. (Although you might prefer fuji colors over sony colors). The sensor in the X-T3 - while designed by fuji - is manufactured by Sony, so it isn't like Sony is technologically incapable of doing the same.

 

[BlueBomberTurbo]

Note that if you're using anything but S-Gamut3.Cine when hand-grading, you're wasting your time. S-Gamut and S-Gamut3 are extremely large color spaces, about as large as you can get for video. This extends the green reproduction range extensively, making the image look like it has a color cast. Excellent for high end work, where 3D LUTs are hand made. Poor for amateur work, where only things like curves and HSL are used. As for the other gamuts, their color spaces are too small for most video work. You'll get weird clipping with certain colors (especially blue) because of this.

S-Gamut3.Cine is made specifically for hand-grading, with a balanced reproduction of the color spectrum. It still has a wider color space than any standard gamut, while neutralizing the colors vs the standard S-Gamuts. This makes it much easier to work with outside of LUTs.