No image stabilization?

[kirkmc]

I'm surprised that a camera like this doesn't have IS. Is there any specific reason why it's not on this camera?

 

[Jerry-astro]

I'm surprised that a camera like this doesn't have IS. Is there any specific reason why it's not on this camera?

A camera like what? Can you be more specific?

If you're referring to OIS in the body, that's a hotly debated topic here. Fuji, like many other vendors, has elected to place OIS in some lenses, rather than their bodies. Not all lenses are stabilized, but quite a few are, particularly popular zooms. There are various advantages to both approaches, but it's really a design decision that camera manufacturers have to make.

 

[nixda]

I'm surprised that a camera like this doesn't have IS. Is there any specific reason why it's not on this camera?

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[Ponchsox]

OIS is overrated especially if you shoot with fast shutter speeds.

 

[Truman Prevatt]

OIS is overrated especially if you shoot with fast shutter speeds.

Nothing is free. OIS or it's in camera cousin will degrade an image to some extent if used and not needed. It is a trade off. It also only helps for camera motion. If there is subject motion - it will do nothing. OIS relies of gyroscopes to measure acceleration and then a motor to move the lens elements or the sensor to provide an inertial (non- accelerating) image plane.

For the most part - OIS is probably overused. If you shutter speed is above a certain speed - turn it off. Most likely the mechanical motion driven by the gyros will not be able to keep up with the shutter speed and maybe degrade the image. If your camera is on a tripod - turn OIS off.

I have it on one of my Nikon lenses and find it is off 95% of the time.

 

[Craig268]

Agree about the overuse of IS. It can certainly be useful but I always try and turn it off as much as possible. As an old film guy, we never had all this whiz-bang stuff that exists today and while IS is useful in some instances, it's overuse is often just a crutch for poor technique.

 

[Viramati]

OIS is overrated especially if you shoot with fast shutter speeds.

Nothing is free. OIS or it's in camera cousin will degrade an image to some extent if used and not needed. It is a trade off. It also only helps for camera motion. If there is subject motion - it will do nothing. OIS relies of gyroscopes to measure acceleration and then a motor to move the lens elements or the sensor to provide an inertial (non- accelerating) image plane.

For the most part - OIS is probably overused. If you shutter speed is above a certain speed - turn it off. Most likely the mechanical motion driven by the gyros will not be able to keep up with the shutter speed and maybe degrade the image. If your camera is on a tripod - turn OIS off.

I have it on one of my Nikon lenses and find it is off 95% of the time.

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Personally I have never seen any image degradation due to the IBIS system in my Sony A7rII's and only turn it off when using a tripod. It is one of the things that I miss having on the XT-2 when the light gets low and I want to shoot non moving subjects with an non OIS lens. I think in time fuji will probably implement IBIS as it just makes sense. If you don't want it you can just turn it off but if it's not there toucan't turn it on.

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[Jerry-astro]

Agree about the overuse of IS. It can certainly be useful but I always try and turn it off as much as possible. As an old film guy, we never had all this whiz-bang stuff that exists today and while IS is useful in some instances, it's overuse is often just a crutch for poor technique.

Oh, for heaven's sake. I'm an "old film guy" as well, but I also really appreciate the advantages that technology brings to the game. If "overuse" consists of being able to handhold a camera with a 100-400+TC lens at 560mm with a 1/100s (or longer) exposure and still get a sharp result... well, I'll be happy to be accused of using that "poor technique." Using a tripod is not always feasible, and that "whiz bang" technology available is an enabler for getting shots that otherwise would be completely impossible. I'm reminded of that all the time as I often find myself shooting in very challenging light.

Yes, many photographers do rely too heavily on tools like OIS, but it's also good to recognize that they can change the game in terms of enabling shooting situations that previouslyl weren't possible. I suspect your definition of "overuse" might be very different from mine.

 

[Vic Chapman]

OIS is overrated especially if you shoot with fast shutter speeds.

Nothing is free. OIS or it's in camera cousin will degrade an image to some extent if used and not needed. It is a trade off. It also only helps for camera motion. If there is subject motion - it will do nothing. OIS relies of gyroscopes to measure acceleration and then a motor to move the lens elements or the sensor to provide an inertial (non- accelerating) image plane.

For the most part - OIS is probably overused. If you shutter speed is above a certain speed - turn it off. Most likely the mechanical motion driven by the gyros will not be able to keep up with the shutter speed and maybe degrade the image. If your camera is on a tripod - turn OIS off.

I have it on one of my Nikon lenses and find it is off 95% of the time.

 

[NaughtKen]

If your sensor is wobbling around in your camera, aren't you afraid that it might get misaligned? How reliable are IBIS bodies last compared to regular ones? Seems like a problem waiting to happen.

 

[LH]

OIS is overrated especially if you shoot with fast shutter speeds.

Nothing is free. OIS or it's in camera cousin will degrade an image to some extent if used and not needed. It is a trade off. It also only helps for camera motion. If there is subject motion - it will do nothing. OIS relies of gyroscopes to measure acceleration and then a motor to move the lens elements or the sensor to provide an inertial (non- accelerating) image plane.

For the most part - OIS is probably overused. If you shutter speed is above a certain speed - turn it off. Most likely the mechanical motion driven by the gyros will not be able to keep up with the shutter speed and maybe degrade the image. If your camera is on a tripod - turn OIS off.

I have it on one of my Nikon lenses and find it is off 95% of the time.

 

[grazuncle]

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Yet another "improvement" that I don't want or need but still have to pay for?

I'm sure there is 'something' on your Fuji that you don't use and are paying for, Vic.

No thank you! If you want IBIS, get Sony or m4/3, why do all cameras have to be the same. OIS or lens stabilisation is fine for long lenses and even in short FLs - at very slow shutter speeds - but is mostly used used in shorter lenses to make up for lack of skill.

Ouch! I seem to be lacking skill by needing IS. I can't 'go to the gym' to make my failing body anymore rigid.. I don't have infinite handholding ability and don't want to shoot at 512000 all the time. I try to find something to brace myself against but often at places i visit (National Trust mansions that are 'cave like' for light) you are not allowed to touch let alone sit on any of the antiques; or risk being thrown out.

I just bought the non-OIS 16-55 f2.8 - swapping from the 18-55 OIS.

I'll have one of them!.. for outdoor in reasonable, and upwards, light.

Fuji have explained their decision to build their cameras to a design that cannot accept IBIS and everyone knows Fuji don't have IBIS when they buy so there must be a strong case for Fuji staying as they are.

most likely...

We're not all the same.. I still find the Fuji X system, on balance, the best compromise, for me.

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[Vic Chapman]

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Yet another "improvement" that I don't want or need but still have to pay for?

I'm sure there is 'something' on your Fuji that you don't use and are paying for, Vic.

Yes and admittedly some things I used to eschew and now can't do without (tilt screen)

No thank you! If you want IBIS, get Sony or m4/3, why do all cameras have to be the same. OIS or lens stabilisation is fine for long lenses and even in short FLs - at very slow shutter speeds - but is mostly used used in shorter lenses to make up for lack of skill.

Ouch! I seem to be lacking skill by needing IS. I can't 'go to the gym' to make my failing body anymore rigid.. I don't have infinite handholding ability and don't want to shoot at 512000 all the time. I try to find something to brace myself against but often at places i visit (National Trust mansions that are 'cave like' for light) you are not allowed to touch let alone sit on any of the antiques; or risk being thrown out.

I'm 70 in a few months only not registered disabled because I don't want to be considered disabled. I'm a member of NT and English Heritage but so decrepit now I can't get to visit much but I can still hold a camera long enough to take a picture - could do with a Sherpa to carry it though.

I just bought the non-OIS 16-55 f2.8 - swapping from the 18-55 OIS.

I'll have one of them!.. for outdoor in reasonable, and upwards, light.

Fuji have explained their decision to build their cameras to a design that cannot accept IBIS and everyone knows Fuji don't have IBIS when they buy so there must be a strong case for Fuji staying as they are.

most likely...

We're not all the same.. I still find the Fuji X system, on balance, the best compromise, for me.

For me too but it's so far from the XP1 style that first attracted me 5 years ago that I have to keep fighting a rearguard action.

Vic

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[nixda]

Agree about the overuse of IS. It can certainly be useful but I always try and turn it off as much as possible. As an old film guy, we never had all this whiz-bang stuff that exists today and while IS is useful in some instances, it's overuse is often just a crutch for poor technique.

Say IS gives you two stops. Say you have perfect hand-holding technique. IS would give you two extra stops on top of it. I'd certainly take that.

Also, if you're standing on shaky ground (car, train, boat, plane, etc), perfect handholding technique won't do you any good.

Simply put, IS addressed an issue that can't be addressed any other way.

 

[MatrixClaw]

IS for stills will either be a huge advantage for some or an extra feature they don't need for others. For video, however, it's VERY important and, with Fuji adding 4K on recent bodies, not having IBIS is a real deal breaker to most who would love to use their system. Unless you're planning on carrying around a large and expensive gimbal system, the Fuji system isn't really practical over the competition for anyone wanting to shoot lots of video, no matter how good they make the quality and AF.

 

[Truman Prevatt]

OIS is overrated especially if you shoot with fast shutter speeds.

Nothing is free. OIS or it's in camera cousin will degrade an image to some extent if used and not needed. It is a trade off. It also only helps for camera motion. If there is subject motion - it will do nothing. OIS relies of gyroscopes to measure acceleration and then a motor to move the lens elements or the sensor to provide an inertial (non- accelerating) image plane.

For the most part - OIS is probably overused. If you shutter speed is above a certain speed - turn it off. Most likely the mechanical motion driven by the gyros will not be able to keep up with the shutter speed and maybe degrade the image. If your camera is on a tripod - turn OIS off.

I have it on one of my Nikon lenses and find it is off 95% of the time.

 

[Todd Jones]

OP dangles a one post hook and the fish around here swallow the hook

 

[grazuncle]

If your sensor is wobbling around in your camera, aren't you afraid that it might get misaligned? How reliable are IBIS bodies last compared to regular ones? Seems like a problem waiting to happen.

This is different to the other sensor shaking event. Sensor cleaning that you can set up to clean on every power up and down?

Or the training in the OIS lenses we have been using for many decades?

A problem waiting to happen I suppose?

Perhaps the manufacturers ought to test these things

 

[Vic Chapman]

If your sensor is wobbling around in your camera, aren't you afraid that it might get misaligned? How reliable are IBIS bodies last compared to regular ones? Seems like a problem waiting to happen.

This is different to the other sensor shaking event. Sensor cleaning that you can set up to clean on every power up and down?

Not while the picture is being taken.

Or the training in the OIS lenses we have been using for many decades?

Err - how many decades is many? My first VR lens was a Nikon 18-200 on a D70 - introduced late 2005.

A problem waiting to happen I suppose?

Perhaps the manufacturers ought to test these things

What makes you think they haven't?

 

[NaughtKen]

If your sensor is wobbling around in your camera, aren't you afraid that it might get misaligned? How reliable are IBIS bodies last compared to regular ones? Seems like a problem waiting to happen.

This is different to the other sensor shaking event. Sensor cleaning that you can set up to clean on every power up and down?

Yes, I don't mind shaking my camera to clean it.

Or the training in the OIS lenses we have been using for many decades?

You mean my lens elements are wobbling too! That can't be good.

A problem waiting to happen I suppose?

Probably already has!

Perhaps the manufacturers ought to test these things

Agreed! Too much technology for its own sake.

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