New build to last for a good while

[T-Rex Mark]

SC, that’s fantastic, thanks again for sharing. I think the 14 model does have a higher clearance. I’ll look at both later however based on the reports, including your idle temps, and the 1-3C change Noctua is promising from a second fan I think I am getting a single fan model which has a great RAM clearing and I don’t even think it overhangs the RAM on this MB but will look again at the dimensions. The way you describe Noctua it sounds like a very well thought through / engineered device which I highly appreciate. I am also thinking to shift to the FD Torrent that apparently has better flow and will likely buy back my 3C with that

btw, what is your case?

SC, congrats on the build!! This looks great! So you used 120mm second fan on Noctua with Kingston Fury underneath, did you need to get any custom braces or all from the Noctua case?
I May end up with a very similar setup!!!

Thank you!!

Mark

No braces needed. My Noctua fan and heatsink has 44mm clearance between the botttom of the fan and motherboard which is ample to clear the Kingston Fury Beast RAM (see diagram). Note from a following comment I did not raise the front fan. It's in the standard position providing full air flow to the radiator. You can mount the front fan higher using the wire clips if you have tall RAM. The fan does cover the RAM but the front fan is easily unclipped if you need to change the RAM. I'm pleased I returned the ROG Strix board I originally ordered since I would have need to rotate the fan 90 degrees which is not optimum.
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[BobKnDP]

A new cooler: GAMDIAS LAUNCHES BOREAS P1-720 DUAL TOWER CPU AIR COOLER WITH UNCOMPROMISING COOLING PERFORMANCE

No mention as to when it will be available at retail, though.

 

[Gesture]

I don't know, when I see some of these gigantic fans on air colors. And we thought the Hyper 212 EVO was huge.

Reminds me of the G5 days with the Mac. You opened the case and the heat sinks were so huge, you knew that the Power PC processor had reached an evolutionary dead end.

Isn't Intel just developing for the sake of developing now. New series every year.

 

[SC489]

SC, that’s fantastic, thanks again for sharing. I think the 14 model does have a higher clearance. I’ll look at both later however based on the reports, including your idle temps, and the 1-3C change Noctua is promising from a second fan I think I am getting a single fan model which has a great RAM clearing and I don’t even think it overhangs the RAM on this MB but will look again at the dimensions. The way you describe Noctua it sounds like a very well thought through / engineered device which I highly appreciate. I am also thinking to shift to the FD Torrent that apparently has better flow and will likely buy back my 3C with that

btw, what is your case?

I reused the Nanoxia Deep Silence 1 case I bought in 2012. For this build I've added 140mm Noctua bottom and top case fans. I've retired the case fan controller and now have all fans connected to the motherboard fan headers. Before you ask I used Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut thermal compound.

 

[Austinian]

Isn't Intel just developing for the sake of developing now. New series every year.

For quite a few years I'd have agreed with you, but with the 12th gen I think we saw some significant improvements.

 

[BobKnDP]

I don't know, when I see some of these gigantic fans on air colors. And we thought the Hyper 212 EVO was huge.

Reminds me of the G5 days with the Mac. You opened the case and the heat sinks were so huge, you knew that the Power PC processor had reached an evolutionary dead end.

Isn't Intel just developing for the sake of developing now. New series every year.

AMD basically does the same. I wonder what percentage of PC users pay any attention?

I wonder whether the current downturn in PC sales is affecting companies like Noctua? I haven't read of how things are going in the gamer/DIY/custom build markets.

 

[Nick Payne]

A few months ago I built a new PC to replace my approximately ten year old one. The new machine made a substantial difference to some of the tasks I regularly do - eg transcoding full-HD video rarely ran at more than 15 frames/sec on my old machine, and rarely runs at less than 100 frames/sec on the new one. I kept my existing monitors (Eizo 3280 and Dell 3011) and video card (nVidia Quadro P1000). The new components were:

Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Pro motherboard
Intel i5-12600K CPU
128Gb DDR5 RAM
1Tb Samsung 980 Pro M.2 SSD for OS and apps
500Gb Samsung 970 EVO M.2 SSD for temp and scratch
8Tb Sabrent Rocket Q M.2 SSD for images and data

These's still one spare M.2 slot on the motherboard. All installed in a be quiet! Silent Base case.

 

[Gesture]

i5 600K processors are good values.

 

[CBR1100XX]

Isn't Intel just developing for the sake of developing now. New series every year.

For quite a few years I'd have agreed with you, but with the 12th gen I think we saw some significant improvements.

Between getting stuck on the same process forever and Ryzen coming out it got them to finally start adding more and more cores and frequency with 8th gen. 11th gen was a bit of an odd one performance wise VS 10th since in many cases the 10 cores would perform better. But like you said 12th was huge and even 13th gen beyond the architecture enhancements they added a bunch of cache along with more E cores which help out a lot with multi threaded workloads.

 

[T-Rex Mark]

SC, that’s fantastic, thanks again for sharing. I think the 14 model does have a higher clearance. I’ll look at both later however based on the reports, including your idle temps, and the 1-3C change Noctua is promising from a second fan I think I am getting a single fan model which has a great RAM clearing and I don’t even think it overhangs the RAM on this MB but will look again at the dimensions. The way you describe Noctua it sounds like a very well thought through / engineered device which I highly appreciate. I am also thinking to shift to the FD Torrent that apparently has better flow and will likely buy back my 3C with that

btw, what is your case?

I reused the Nanoxia Deep Silence 1 case I bought in 2012. For this build I've added 140mm Noctua bottom and top case fans. I've retired the case fan controller and now have all fans connected to the motherboard fan headers. Before you ask I used Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut thermal compound.

Thats quite cool that you reused a 10-year old case, gives me dangerous ideas that may make the whole project more interesting. Mine is CoolerMaster HAF 922 Mid Tower Gaming Case with 750 Watt -- Corsair CMPSU-750TX Power Supply. The case probably still fine, PSU may be dated in terms of cables, power is sort of ok, the fans will need to be replaced.... On Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, I memorized that now

 

[T-Rex Mark]

Thanks Bob, yep, I am leaning in this direction - start with 1 fan and see how it goes. Then if I need those 3 degrees I would either mount the 140mm on the other end (away from RAM), or 120mm to raise it over the RAM. Here is a link to an article with a picture on how it looks, seems quite doable:

https://www.reddit.com/comments/z6i..._app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=4

and if I really hate it, as Austinian said, I could scratch it and go liquid

Yup, with a desktop we really get choices. BTW, I went looking for low-profile DDR5, and ran across this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Noctua/comments/ypbat6/low_profile_ddr5_ram_to_fit_noctua_d15

So if 35mm is an acceptable height for the Noctua, that Corsair CMK they mention is pretty cheaply available at Best Buy; it's not RGB, but if the cooler's in the way that may not matter anyway.

I think those are DDR4s which is probably ok too.

I don't think so. The Corsair link in that reddit post leads to this page:

https://help.corsair.com/hc/en-us/articles/4412253644045-DDR5-memory-module-dimensions

Wow, Indeed, they are DDR5 and they are 35mm, and they are on MB supported list! This is great. Although just looked back to Noctua's drawing, the clearance with second fan in stock position is 32mm.

I know that the Corsair CMK memory I bought from Best Buy is indeed DDR5, as it works in my Aorus Elite AX board.

SC just finished a build with the similar cooler with 120mm raised fan, and looks like his temps are great, I think I will get to a similar setup but likely will start with single fan as the second one adds very little. I am also looking to change to Fractal Design Torrent case - apparently it has a superior airflow and may give me those 3 degrees back . I need to get back to desktop, probably by weekend to replan a little around the case change and should finalize the blueprint

Yes, indeed. Planning is less stressful than discovering a major screwup later. ;-)

now I need to decide if I should get premium thermal paste or Noctua’s thermal paste is good enough. Have not researched that.

also, whether there are any brackets to reduce leaning of the cooler and the Graphics card, or any cables / extensions to simplify or improve build.

I'm going to look into making/buying a GPU support for my graphics card; it's really long and heavy, and sags a bit. :-(

I used novonest GPU Holder,ARGB LED. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B097MMJZ2K?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share in a previous build. It’s alright but - it was a little flimsier than I expected but did the job

I think I'll just build my own; my case is unusually tall.

I have a couple of possible designs roughed out in my mind; I'll need to visit a hardware store to see what parts I can actually buy, as opposed to what I imagine should exist.

I like the way you think, few trips to Home Depot and you will end up with a GPU support that could support the entire case. Great idea to build the brace though, great project!

 

[SC489]

SC, that’s fantastic, thanks again for sharing. I think the 14 model does have a higher clearance. I’ll look at both later however based on the reports, including your idle temps, and the 1-3C change Noctua is promising from a second fan I think I am getting a single fan model which has a great RAM clearing and I don’t even think it overhangs the RAM on this MB but will look again at the dimensions. The way you describe Noctua it sounds like a very well thought through / engineered device which I highly appreciate. I am also thinking to shift to the FD Torrent that apparently has better flow and will likely buy back my 3C with that

btw, what is your case?

I reused the Nanoxia Deep Silence 1 case I bought in 2012. For this build I've added 140mm Noctua bottom and top case fans. I've retired the case fan controller and now have all fans connected to the motherboard fan headers. Before you ask I used Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut thermal compound.

Thats quite cool that you reused a 10-year old case, gives me dangerous ideas that may make the whole project more interesting. Mine is CoolerMaster HAF 922 Mid Tower Gaming Case with 750 Watt -- Corsair CMPSU-750TX Power Supply. The case probably still fine, PSU may be dated in terms of cables, power is sort of ok, the fans will need to be replaced.... On Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, I memorized that now

My EVGA 850W is 11 years old too. I'll keep using it since it works fine. It's a modular PSU which means you only need to plug in the cables you need. You will need two 8 pin 12V ATX motherboard connectors for the Z790 boards - fortunately my PSU has those. See connectors labelled 5 on the top of the diagram.

On memory size - my Kingston Fury Beast memory on the QVL for my Z790 board is 34.9mm high (see enclosed). It's simple to clip on the Noctua cooler front fan to clear the RAM if needed.

https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/KF556C40BBK2-64.pdf

 

[Robert Zanatta]

One 8 pin EPS connector is sufficient unless extreme overclocking is being performed as that connector can supply well over 300W of power.

I have the Kingston Fury DDR5 RAM, but in a kit that's a bit faster and uses higher voltage. It performs better since it uses better memory chips. It was only $30 more for the 6000 kit versus the 5600 kit, and is working at 6600 with lower latency.

 

[SC489]

One 8 pin EPS connector is sufficient unless extreme overclocking is being performed as that connector can supply well over 300W of power.

I have the Kingston Fury DDR5 RAM, but in a kit that's a bit faster and uses higher voltage. It performs better since it uses better memory chips. It was only $30 more for the 6000 kit versus the 5600 kit, and is working at 6600 with lower latency.

Only the 5600 DDR kit (2x 32GB) shows up on the Kingston memory checker for my board

 

[Austinian]

also, whether there are any brackets to reduce leaning of the cooler and the Graphics card, or any cables / extensions to simplify or improve build.

I'm going to look into making/buying a GPU support for my graphics card; it's really long and heavy, and sags a bit. :-(

I used novonest GPU Holder,ARGB LED. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B097MMJZ2K?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share in a previous build. It’s alright but - it was a little flimsier than I expected but did the job

I think I'll just build my own; my case is unusually tall.

I have a couple of possible designs roughed out in my mind; I'll need to visit a hardware store to see what parts I can actually buy, as opposed to what I imagine should exist.

I like the way you think, few trips to Home Depot and you will end up with a GPU support that could support the entire case. Great idea to build the brace though, great project!

Actually, once I looked into the case I realized that any support from below would obstruct access to the bottom half of the case, and removing/replacing a support would in itself flex the graphics card. :-(

Instead, I decided to suspend the end of the graphics card from a convenient hole in the case with a chain of little zip ties:

This way, I didn't even need to visit the hardware store; I've got a big box of assorted zip ties already.

 

[T-Rex Mark]

also, whether there are any brackets to reduce leaning of the cooler and the Graphics card, or any cables / extensions to simplify or improve build.

I'm going to look into making/buying a GPU support for my graphics card; it's really long and heavy, and sags a bit. :-(

I used novonest GPU Holder,ARGB LED. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B097MMJZ2K?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share in a previous build. It’s alright but - it was a little flimsier than I expected but did the job

I think I'll just build my own; my case is unusually tall.

I have a couple of possible designs roughed out in my mind; I'll need to visit a hardware store to see what parts I can actually buy, as opposed to what I imagine should exist.

I like the way you think, few trips to Home Depot and you will end up with a GPU support that could support the entire case. Great idea to build the brace though, great project!

Actually, once I looked into the case I realized that any support from below would obstruct access to the bottom half of the case, and removing/replacing a support would in itself flex the graphics card. :-(

Instead, I decided to suspend the end of the graphics card from a convenient hole in the case with a chain of little zip ties:

This way, I didn't even need to visit the hardware store; I've got a big box of assorted zip ties already.

it’s simple and does the job. Good idea, will see if I need anything like that, I think the card I am looking at is reasonably short. You could use a metal tie (thin round stick) but this does the job too

 

[T-Rex Mark]

A few months ago I built a new PC to replace my approximately ten year old one. The new machine made a substantial difference to some of the tasks I regularly do - eg transcoding full-HD video rarely ran at more than 15 frames/sec on my old machine, and rarely runs at less than 100 frames/sec on the new one. I kept my existing monitors (Eizo 3280 and Dell 3011) and video card (nVidia Quadro P1000). The new components were:

Gigabyte Z690 Aorus Pro motherboard
Intel i5-12600K CPU
128Gb DDR5 RAM
1Tb Samsung 980 Pro M.2 SSD for OS and apps
500Gb Samsung 970 EVO M.2 SSD for temp and scratch
8Tb Sabrent Rocket Q M.2 SSD for images and data

These's still one spare M.2 slot on the motherboard. All installed in a be quiet! Silent Base case.

Thanks Nick! Good setup, I’ve been looking at this case as well. I like your storage setup I have similar (but 3Tb hdd) on my current PC. 8Tb m.2 is impressive.

 

[Austinian]

Actually, once I looked into the case I realized that any support from below would obstruct access to the bottom half of the case, and removing/replacing a support would in itself flex the graphics card. :-(

Instead, I decided to suspend the end of the graphics card from a convenient hole in the case with a chain of little zip ties:

This way, I didn't even need to visit the hardware store; I've got a big box of assorted zip ties already.

it’s simple and does the job. Good idea, will see if I need anything like that, I think the card I am looking at is reasonably short.

Yes, a short, light card shouldn't sag much, especially if it has a metal backplate as many do. You may not need a brace at all.

The card in the image is a three-fan, third-party card that's nearly 13" long; it sagged slightly but visibly despite its backplate. I feel better about it now; thanks for bringing up the idea in your earlier post.

You could use a metal tie (thin round stick) but this does the job too

The zip ties are non-conductive, which I prefer for a PC's interior, and finely adjustable.

 

[foot]

Thank you foot! I will look into a single stick but it seems to be hard to find - everyone seems to sell in pairs but good idea, on DDR5 the single stick performance drop is moreless negligible, dont know if htere are any stability considerations since most of the testing is probably done with 2 sticks.

Depending on the application this could hurt the performance since you are losing half your memory bandwidth. It's not as bad as a single stick of DDR4, but it would basically be like running a low to mid range DDR4 kit if it scales with the MT.

my rational...

buying decisions will be a matrix of technical/cost tradeoffs (unless you just buy the best (ie most expensive of each component! lol)

the general, overly simplified rule is the "80/20 rule"

ie you can get 80% of the benefit with 20% of the cost/effort

it's also very application dependent on how 1 stick vs 2 stick memory effects performance. I've seen many videos where the performance hit was so little it made no meaningful difference. Others were like 5-6%

(For gamers, they don't care about average performance, they care about momentary drops in fps. However it's the GPU that makes the most difference)

(If that was so critical to me, I'd be look at changing the timings/latency which I avoid...lol)

my buying choices were:

1. get more memory (even if it was slightly slower)
2. add 4 TB M.2 ssd (made a huge difference in my work-flow!!!)
3. and recently added a USB-C speed external hard-drive (I posted about that in this thread: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66991578)

USB-C is so much faster than plain-old usb !!!!

of course this relfects my priorities and budget, others can make other choices

I'd be interested in looking at any benchmarks you have esp re content creation.

Here's some links I've come across.

"So it seems that for things like video encoding and real-time previews during video editing, upgrading to Dual Channel can give you a roughly 5-6% bump in your performance."

https://www.cgdirector.com/single-vs-dual-channel-ram/

I found this one interesting...Davinci Resolve has much better support for hardware video encoding than Adobe Premier (at the time the yt was made)....

"How good is THE BEST PC in Davinci Resolve? | i9 12900k + RTX3090 & DDR5"

qued up to charts showing adobe vs da vinci 2 hardware codec support for video transcoding

 

[T-Rex Mark]

Checking the dimensions, i think this is how they fit together, tried to scale 'em up to each other, i think roughly its correct, pretty tight for 4 sticks but i think is fitting with about 4-5mm to spare.

crude drawing