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Ardexx
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Wildone,
Good to hear you have been handed over the GXR that made some of those nice pictures on CI.
Are you free to do what you want with the GXR, or are there restrictions in using the camera and/or posting full-sized images?
Nevertheless, enjoy the GXR. I am curious how it handles and operates compared to a Leica M. After my Leica M period (MP), nothing has come close in terms of simplicity. Hope the GXR will be as straightforward as an analog Leica M.
Armand
Good to hear you have been handed over the GXR that made some of those nice pictures on CI.
Are you free to do what you want with the GXR, or are there restrictions in using the camera and/or posting full-sized images?
Nevertheless, enjoy the GXR. I am curious how it handles and operates compared to a Leica M. After my Leica M period (MP), nothing has come close in terms of simplicity. Hope the GXR will be as straightforward as an analog Leica M.
Armand
BearCatCow
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It sure is a ruthless question and one I have a hard time answering myself.
Calvin funny point there about the 35mm.
I'm not unhappy in any way with the Epson, in fact like you I'd claim R-D1 to be my favorite camera ever. Along with my GX100. Different horses obviously though!
The lure of the GXR is that if it can do the job of the R-D1 I can fuse my two tools into one. One UI, one body and all that. One thing I haven't heard people mention regarding GXR is that although yes you can have a DP1 and a GX200 and a GRD3 and so on, but then you need accessories for each, cases, chargers... which can actually add up to a lot of space. I'm getting off topic here though.
I like the Ricoh interface. I don't have a 50mm summilux, just a Voigtlander 35/2.5. Fine lens but I'm sure the Ricoh 33mm GR lens can do just as well.
The GXR has a more compact body, but a larger lens in the A12 module.Sometimes, having autofocus is nice.
On the other hand, R-D1 (or M8) has all the advantages from the opposite end of the spectrum... manual lens with manual aperture dial, nice for zone focusing. Essentially an instant response once you pre-focus. Focus speed in any light can be as fast as you can do it. Seeing the world through the RF viewfinder is also a great experience. Although I find that shooting through a LCD is surprisingly comparable. IMO shooting a GX100 or GRD or similar can be quite rangefinder like. You compose in your head, hold the compact camera at arms length and the LCD serves as your RF frame lines. What do you think Wildone?
So basically, I think the R-D1 is amazing. The GX100 or other Ricoh small cams are also amazing. I want to know if I can simplify these things into one body (and get an upgrade in ISO performance of my GX in the process
) And if I do so, would I miss having the rangefinder experience? Want to know if you think you would, if you gave up the M8, financial investment issues aside. If it's too hard to answer, that's fine, as that is a honest and telling answer as well!Wow I wrote a lot. I feel like Tom Caldwell
(no insult intended Tom!)LOL!I would have been most surprised if you had answered differently.
The GXR with the A12 lensor is looking to be good but let's keep our feet on the ground.
Good to see that you have, wildeone.
I do feel that the GXR may well give the Leica X1 a good run for its money and may well turn out to be not only a better buy but also a better camera.
But promise not to tell people on the Leica Forum, you know how easily they get upset.
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i have said elsewhere that i feel the GXR is what the X1 should have been (i think it was on the Leica forum
). i will go into the reasons when i am more coherent... they are two different camera, however, and the lens FOV difference can not be overstated. i am not sure how many people realise how little DOF this has. it is not a point and shoot.Imants,
i've got one i'll put up for you tomorrow. only f/3.2, i'm afraid, but it is one of my shots. no slipping either, merely stepping pretty. the streets, these days, have been amazingly clean.
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Thanks Camelia ......unemployment people are cleaner
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Armand,
Benjamin still has until tomorrow afternoon. he does deserve more time as this is a camera from the head of Ricoh France and he has been amazingly patient with all the questions on that forum. he has also offered, quite generously, to supplement any photos i feel might help me write my impressions.
we were given no restrictions whatsoever. the restrictions on posting full-sized images, etc., are our own personal choice. we know full well what can happen when less than perfect photographs are put up so early on... and, without the ability to process RAW, i am not comfortable doing so.
there really isn't any digital that comes close to the simplicity and elegance of the film M. period. (okay, maybe the R-D1, but...) the GXR is a more complex camera than their small sensors, but still very easy to get around. Ricoh offers controls second to none and, with the customiseable settings and quick button presses or turns, you never need go through the menu once you set it up.
it is very rangefinder-like to me, but perhaps that's because it's my background and what i am comfortable shooting. with the 50mm DOF, i have not felt comfortable trying a looser screen-framing style. my eyes have been glued to the EVF and i've been shooting mostly in full manual mode -- very easily done and beautifully set up.
Benjamin, the frenchman on the other thread owns a D3 (which he uses for work) and a Leica MP (which he doesn't use any more because film is so expensive). he has found that the GXR satisfies his rangefinder lust and with the two modules he has something he can take around to shoot personally without breaking his back.
we've been teaching each other little tips and tricks. as i've said before, this camera has a learning curve. but so do rangefinders, so there you have it!
and it seems that particularly M shooters find it irresistable, if that tells you anything. i went out the first night with a friend who had just gotten his M9 and he asked to grab it more than once
it is far too late and i am exhausted. i will try to answer your points when i write my impressions, or perhaps the later on in this post.
but the short answer is yes, i would miss it. i have become a rangefinder shooter through and through and nothing satisfies me as much. it actually took my experience shooting with the GXR to realise this how deeply ingrained this has become... i adore shooting with the Ricoh, mind you, and would love to have it to shoot with as well -- but no, never instead of.
benaparis_01
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Hi everyone,
So you've seen my true customer review about the GXR... Hope you enjoyed it and find some answers you may have.
As you know wildeone and I are trying the GXR camera for few days... I must say that I am very pleased with it especially with the 50 equ. lens, I have tried the S10 module but just a little bit.
When I say that the 50mm is a Leica like lens, make no mistake it is because it is mainly about the bokeh wich is really beautiful (I have post a crop at almost 100% @ 800iso, check previous pages) and the kind of 3D effect...l won't say it is as sharp as Leica lenses wide opened... Remember that Leica lenses are 3 or 4 times more expensive and they are not sold with a sensor... Whatever, Ricoh made a really nice piece of lens, I would say a very photographic lens, not the one for those who shoot brick walls.
On the samples I posted on Chassimages I think I can print really nice A2 even shot at wide open and 1600iso...of course results will be better when I can use the raw files.
I like very much to shoot with manual focus mode when I have time with the help of the magnifier, you have to push about 1 sec or less on the central pad button to activate it (of course it works on the EVF wich is totally synchronized with the screen), or like as I used to do on my Leica MP (which I still use) with the help of DOF indicator even at wide open and at about 2,5/3m of the subject, so you will need to have the ability to evaluate the distance. If you can proceed like this you will point and shoot without any problem any time and you will be able to take "l'instant décisif", but of course sometimes you won't be in perfect focus, but who said photography is about perfect focus...All the samples I have posted so far were taken like that. Of course the spot AF is ok and depending on the subject and the light it can go quite fast but of not as fast as Nikon AFS or AFD, it is not a DSLR...you should always remember that.
Well, I truly love this camera which is made IMHO for people that are really involved with photography, I you are a GRD user you what I mean (I bought the GRD I four years ago know) and you know all about Ricoh philosophy, they make camera for photographers not for benchmark, and most important they really listen to theire customers...As I won't buy a M9 (BTW a terrific camera, and the best image quality on 24x36 sized camera I have ever seen, I only wish it can have 1 stop more) because I have my D3 to earn my life...so for me the GXR is the perfect solution to take street photography pictures
Of course you can add the 24-72 equivalent module with the small sensor for other purpose if you want too have a more pocketable camera, but IMHO it is pointless to buy the GXR only with the S10 module. My first tests showed me that with raw files you can have really nice results even at 400iso (remember it is stabilized), but with the new firmware I can't process raw files, so I will wait for further investigation and higher iso quality until I find a solution.
I will sometimes have a look to this threads and complete wildeone point of view if necessary, but both of us feel the same way and my english is not perfect... To be honest I am totally exhausted, and I have also to deal with my private life, so today I only make few pictures and made a lot mistakes because I was not really concentrated, but tomorrow I will give to wildeone the camera so she can mke trully nice pictures for you. Whatever wildeone and I will do our best to give you max of informations and feelings about this camera and of course give our feedback to Ricoh (french headquarters) and hoping that our voice will be listened to the japan headquarters....
Cheers
So you've seen my true customer review about the GXR... Hope you enjoyed it and find some answers you may have.
As you know wildeone and I are trying the GXR camera for few days... I must say that I am very pleased with it especially with the 50 equ. lens, I have tried the S10 module but just a little bit.
When I say that the 50mm is a Leica like lens, make no mistake it is because it is mainly about the bokeh wich is really beautiful (I have post a crop at almost 100% @ 800iso, check previous pages) and the kind of 3D effect...l won't say it is as sharp as Leica lenses wide opened... Remember that Leica lenses are 3 or 4 times more expensive and they are not sold with a sensor... Whatever, Ricoh made a really nice piece of lens, I would say a very photographic lens, not the one for those who shoot brick walls.
On the samples I posted on Chassimages I think I can print really nice A2 even shot at wide open and 1600iso...of course results will be better when I can use the raw files.
I like very much to shoot with manual focus mode when I have time with the help of the magnifier, you have to push about 1 sec or less on the central pad button to activate it (of course it works on the EVF wich is totally synchronized with the screen), or like as I used to do on my Leica MP (which I still use) with the help of DOF indicator even at wide open and at about 2,5/3m of the subject, so you will need to have the ability to evaluate the distance. If you can proceed like this you will point and shoot without any problem any time and you will be able to take "l'instant décisif", but of course sometimes you won't be in perfect focus, but who said photography is about perfect focus...All the samples I have posted so far were taken like that. Of course the spot AF is ok and depending on the subject and the light it can go quite fast but of not as fast as Nikon AFS or AFD, it is not a DSLR...you should always remember that.
Well, I truly love this camera which is made IMHO for people that are really involved with photography, I you are a GRD user you what I mean (I bought the GRD I four years ago know) and you know all about Ricoh philosophy, they make camera for photographers not for benchmark, and most important they really listen to theire customers...As I won't buy a M9 (BTW a terrific camera, and the best image quality on 24x36 sized camera I have ever seen, I only wish it can have 1 stop more) because I have my D3 to earn my life...so for me the GXR is the perfect solution to take street photography pictures
Of course you can add the 24-72 equivalent module with the small sensor for other purpose if you want too have a more pocketable camera, but IMHO it is pointless to buy the GXR only with the S10 module. My first tests showed me that with raw files you can have really nice results even at 400iso (remember it is stabilized), but with the new firmware I can't process raw files, so I will wait for further investigation and higher iso quality until I find a solution.
I will sometimes have a look to this threads and complete wildeone point of view if necessary, but both of us feel the same way and my english is not perfect...
To be honest I am totally exhausted, and I have also to deal with my private life, so today I only make few pictures and made a lot mistakes because I was not really concentrated, but tomorrow I will give to wildeone the camera so she can mke trully nice pictures for you. Whatever wildeone and I will do our best to give you max of informations and feelings about this camera and of course give our feedback to Ricoh (french headquarters) and hoping that our voice will be listened to the japan headquarters....Cheers
Calvin Palmer
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Ben,
If someone only bought the S10 module, are you saying that they would be wasting their money, and that the true quality and worth of the GXR is only to be found in the A12 50mm module?
And yet you seemed quite pleased with your results from the S10 module.
Maybe something got lost in translation.
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If someone only bought the S10 module, are you saying that they would be wasting their money, and that the true quality and worth of the GXR is only to be found in the A12 50mm module?
And yet you seemed quite pleased with your results from the S10 module.
Maybe something got lost in translation.
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Calvin,
Cam here (it is okay to use my name). and, yes, i think some subtleties were lost in translation.
i will speak for him because i hope he is either sleeping or shooting...
we both love the A12 module -- the draw, the way of working it, the larger sensor... it is a huge step forward for Ricoh and we, as GRD owners, are applauding that. please note that carefully -- we both tend to prefer to work with primes.
that is not to say that the S10 isn't wonderful, it is. what little i've seen have shown it to be an improvement upon the GX200. and i know he plans to buy one.
i believe what he was trying to say was that it is still a smaller sensor camera with the S10 and anybody expecting some quantum leap in improvement from it will likely be disappointed.
rather, it is very much like the change between the GRDII and the GRDIII -- which, IMO, is a difference worth buying into.(i've been warring with myself on this issue -- trust me, i understand.) does this make sense?
it is all about expectations....
i think the idea of buying the S10 module now and waiting for other modules that may suit you better, sounds grand -- as long as you know what you're buying into and do not expect the quality of the APS-C sensor.
does this make sense?
benaparis_01
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Hello, just a quick answer before I leave...Wildeone reads my mind...
To put it in another way : Do you think it is reasonnable to spend around 800 euros for a compact camera with small sensor?
Ok the body is really cool, very high end...etc...well Ricoh style. The few picture I have
made with the original firmware showed me that this module can produce nice image quality until 400iso (way much better than the GX200) processed with Lightroom beta 3 (unfortunately with CaptureOne my favorite raw software gaved me bad result because of the lack of color profile embeded and other few stuff).
Those few results convinced me, and as my GRD I is broken, I need something pocketabl and the other reason is that I think it is interesting to work with small sensor camera because of the typical image quality it gaves. Well I decided to buy it. Unless you want a zoom, the GRD III could be a better solution and it opens at f1,9 @ 28mm equ. instead of f2,5 with s10 at the same range.
As explained, I can't process dng files with the new firmware so I can't go on with my test with this module, and give you a serious review about it.
When I have time I send trough this forum some Images I made with it (2 or 3) with crop...The colors are heavily processed because the color profile with Lightroom was not good also, but better than C1.
To put it in another way : Do you think it is reasonnable to spend around 800 euros for a compact camera with small sensor?
Ok the body is really cool, very high end...etc...well Ricoh style. The few picture I have
made with the original firmware showed me that this module can produce nice image quality until 400iso (way much better than the GX200) processed with Lightroom beta 3 (unfortunately with CaptureOne my favorite raw software gaved me bad result because of the lack of color profile embeded and other few stuff).
Those few results convinced me, and as my GRD I is broken, I need something pocketabl and the other reason is that I think it is interesting to work with small sensor camera because of the typical image quality it gaves. Well I decided to buy it. Unless you want a zoom, the GRD III could be a better solution and it opens at f1,9 @ 28mm equ. instead of f2,5 with s10 at the same range.
As explained, I can't process dng files with the new firmware so I can't go on with my test with this module, and give you a serious review about it.
When I have time I send trough this forum some Images I made with it (2 or 3) with crop...The colors are heavily processed because the color profile with Lightroom was not good also, but better than C1.
Calvin Palmer
Senior Member
Cam and Ben,
I think the gist of what you are both saying is that the S10 is good but the A12 is something special. I think it was Ben's use of "pointless", regarding just purchasing the S10, which kind of caused the confusion.
I was never under any illusion that the S10 could match the A12 in terms of image quality. How could it given the nature of their respective sensors? The A12 was, and is, always going to be streets ahead of the S10.
Like you, I prefer prime lenses to zooms but I am not too keen on a focal length of 50mm. I do think it may be best to embrace the GXR concept at this point, go for the S10 and then wait for an APS-C sensor with a prime lens more to my liking.
Thanks to you both for your thoughts. I look forward to seeing the samples from the S10, weather permitting.
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I think the gist of what you are both saying is that the S10 is good but the A12 is something special. I think it was Ben's use of "pointless", regarding just purchasing the S10, which kind of caused the confusion.
I was never under any illusion that the S10 could match the A12 in terms of image quality. How could it given the nature of their respective sensors? The A12 was, and is, always going to be streets ahead of the S10.
Like you, I prefer prime lenses to zooms but I am not too keen on a focal length of 50mm. I do think it may be best to embrace the GXR concept at this point, go for the S10 and then wait for an APS-C sensor with a prime lens more to my liking.
Thanks to you both for your thoughts. I look forward to seeing the samples from the S10, weather permitting.
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Calvin,Thanks to you both for your thoughts. I look forward to seeing the samples from the S10, weather permitting.
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Ben got the weather and gorgeous shots to prove it -- which he promised to put up here. hopefully, maybe, i will have some tomorrow as the 24mm looked stunning!
but can i say damn you for making me thing that i may actually want to look at this module??? i am in love with A12, but have to justify getting it considering what i already have... so i was thing the GRDIII... and now you're making me think about the S10.
bad, Calvin, bad! you are truly cruel! (and very likely right that it may be the way to go... what is you preferred FOV, btw?)
Ardexx
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Cam, no please, no 'damn good' samples of the 24mm....please.
Have to A12 on order (changed from S10) and all money is gone. Still, my wife counts on the small vacation in Paris with Christmas...
Hopefully the weather is still good in Paris so you can make some nice shots.
La Defence would be nice
Thank you for the input and happy shooting.
Armand
Have to A12 on order (changed from S10) and all money is gone. Still, my wife counts on the small vacation in Paris with Christmas...
Hopefully the weather is still good in Paris so you can make some nice shots.
La Defence would be nice
Thank you for the input and happy shooting.
Armand
Calvin Palmer
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Cam,
Sorry, I didn't mean to be cruel.
Like you, I was thinking in terms of the GRD III until the GXR was announced. I am convinced the latter is the way to go.
It is always a question of compromise, what I would lose in sharpness and maximum aperture with the GRD III is offset by a wider lens and the greater flexibility afforded by the S10. And it would appear I would also gain a slight improvement in image quality.
My preference for a prime lense would be either 24mm or 28mm.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to be cruel.
Like you, I was thinking in terms of the GRD III until the GXR was announced. I am convinced the latter is the way to go.
It is always a question of compromise, what I would lose in sharpness and maximum aperture with the GRD III is offset by a wider lens and the greater flexibility afforded by the S10. And it would appear I would also gain a slight improvement in image quality.
My preference for a prime lense would be either 24mm or 28mm.
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benaparis_01
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Yes, I have few nice shots with the S10 module, but I don't want to put jpeg files (you can already check Dpreview sample files), because I noticed, with the previous firmware and the color problems I had among few other things, that the image quality in terms of details rendering and noise could be dramatically improved with raw files compared to jpegs (using LR beta 3, CaptureOne which is normally an excellent raw software gaved me really odd and crappy results)...
Once I have found a solution (I will ask Ricoh France to provide me a raw converter) I will be very pleased to produce the results...
For this purpose I also need the help of someone who has a place to store and link the files...as I don't have any web galleries (I normally have Flickr but I need to wait few weeks to put photos on it).
Best
Benjamin
Once I have found a solution (I will ask Ricoh France to provide me a raw converter) I will be very pleased to produce the results...
For this purpose I also need the help of someone who has a place to store and link the files...as I don't have any web galleries (I normally have Flickr but I need to wait few weeks to put photos on it).
Best
Benjamin
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And why should you be spared when we are all crazy about right now regarding modules...I have never loved a 50mm focal length, and macro has no appeal for me...so the S10 and I hope an APS wide, even 40 or less non-macro would put a smile on my face...I am almost at the point of thinking that the GXR size will not be an issue for me, but this still needs to be proved by handling.....Calvin,Thanks to you both for your thoughts. I look forward to seeing the samples from the S10, weather permitting.
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Ben got the weather and gorgeous shots to prove it -- which he promised to put up here. hopefully, maybe, i will have some tomorrow as the 24mm looked stunning!
but can i say damn you for making me thing that i may actually want to look at this module??? i am in love with A12, but have to justify getting it considering what i already have... so i was thing the GRDIII... and now you're making me think about the S10.
bad, Calvin, bad! you are truly cruel! (and very likely right that it may be the way to go... what is you preferred FOV, btw?)
I am happy to see that Calvin and I are in good company
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and I am not sure you will lose sharpness, yes you will lose a bit of fastness, so be it. i was and still am thinking GRDlll but now it is the second on my list.Cam,
Sorry, I didn't mean to be cruel.
Like you, I was thinking in terms of the GRD III until the GXR was announced. I am convinced the latter is the way to go.
It is always a question of compromise, what I would lose in sharpness and maximum aperture with the GRD III is offset by a wider lens and the greater flexibility afforded by the S10. And it would appear I would also gain a slight improvement in image quality.
My preference for a prime lense would be either 24mm or 28mm.
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