Mark II not well received in Formula One

[KennyG]

I would certainly like to know what settings all of the
photographers were using, and whether they printed direct to paper,
without processing. Also, did the photographers take advantage of
the 1D MK II's elaborate color settings.

I know just how touchy some racing teams are about color accuracy of their cars when they go to print and Ferrari are particularly sensitive about it. If you start off with something that lacks accuracy, then subsequent post-processing can be tedious. Been there, done it, best to get it as close to right as possible out of the camera.

--
Kenny

Motorsport Photographer

If you really want to know what I shoot with - look under my profile.

 

[Crow]

Report from a collegue in Barcelona, Spain

The Mark II has not been received very well in the world of Formula
One at this weekend's Spanish Grand Prix.

It's especially the colours that have caused a lot of uproar,
eventhough the sharpness is also a problem for most (being used to
the sharpness of the 1D). The camera is hardly able to capture the
red of the Ferrari's and also the yellow's of Jordan and Renault
looks very dull. I can only second that after shooting with it for
the first time last weekend, although the reds look better on my
CRT than on a LCD screen.

There was so much dissatisfaction, that Canon decided to flew in
somebody from Canon Europe. Yesterday, he collected a lot of RAW
files from many photographers which will all be send to Canon Japan
for analysis. Canon has a huge market share in F1 (around 80% I
think) and motorsport in general so they are determined to make
everybody happy again.

It seems that Canon has been very reserved in processing
out-of-the-camera JPEG's. The best settings found so far are to
setup a custom Color Matrix and custom parameters. Here's how to
set them.

The parameters and color matrix settigs are both under the first
menu. Select Set 1, 2 or 3 for parameters and choose Set Up to
change the parameters. Choose the set you selected and set the Tone
Curve to Standard, Sharpness to 2 or 3 (to your liking) and
Contrast to +1.

Go back to the first menu and choose Color Matrix. Select 6CM set1
or 7CM set2 and choose Set Up to change the settings of that Color
Matrix. Set it to color space sRGB or AdobeRGB (to your liking),
Saturation to Mid. High and Color tone to 0. You might want to
experiment with the Color tone to your liking. Some report that
setting it to 1 is better.

This is so far the setting which is though to give the best
results. For sure Canon will come up with a good solution, probably
in the form a firmware update which should at least fix the red's
and yellow's.

Grtz,
Marco

 

[tony field]

I think the camera lacks a bit of red in general.

Is there any possibility that a Hot Mirror filter might solve the problem???

tony

 

[nonac11d]

Report from a collegue in Barcelona, Spain

The Mark II has not been received very well in the world of Formula
One at this weekend's Spanish Grand Prix.

It's especially the colours that have caused a lot of uproar,
eventhough the sharpness is also a problem for most (being used to
the sharpness of the 1D). The camera is hardly able to capture the
red of the Ferrari's and also the yellow's of Jordan and Renault
looks very dull. I can only second that after shooting with it for
the first time last weekend, although the reds look better on my
CRT than on a LCD screen.

There was so much dissatisfaction, that Canon decided to flew in
somebody from Canon Europe. Yesterday, he collected a lot of RAW
files from many photographers which will all be send to Canon Japan
for analysis. Canon has a huge market share in F1 (around 80% I
think) and motorsport in general so they are determined to make
everybody happy again.

It seems that Canon has been very reserved in processing
out-of-the-camera JPEG's. The best settings found so far are to
setup a custom Color Matrix and custom parameters. Here's how to
set them.

The parameters and color matrix settigs are both under the first
menu. Select Set 1, 2 or 3 for parameters and choose Set Up to
change the parameters. Choose the set you selected and set the Tone
Curve to Standard, Sharpness to 2 or 3 (to your liking) and
Contrast to +1.

Go back to the first menu and choose Color Matrix. Select 6CM set1
or 7CM set2 and choose Set Up to change the settings of that Color
Matrix. Set it to color space sRGB or AdobeRGB (to your liking),
Saturation to Mid. High and Color tone to 0. You might want to
experiment with the Color tone to your liking. Some report that
setting it to 1 is better.

This is so far the setting which is though to give the best
results. For sure Canon will come up with a good solution, probably
in the form a firmware update which should at least fix the red's
and yellow's.

Grtz,
Marco

 

[CavalierErrant]

Tag...
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Report from a collegue in Barcelona, Spain

The Mark II has not been received very well in the world of Formula
One at this weekend's Spanish Grand Prix.

It's especially the colours that have caused a lot of uproar,
eventhough the sharpness is also a problem for most (being used to
the sharpness of the 1D). The camera is hardly able to capture the
red of the Ferrari's and also the yellow's of Jordan and Renault
looks very dull. I can only second that after shooting with it for
the first time last weekend, although the reds look better on my
CRT than on a LCD screen.

There was so much dissatisfaction, that Canon decided to flew in
somebody from Canon Europe. Yesterday, he collected a lot of RAW
files from many photographers which will all be send to Canon Japan
for analysis. Canon has a huge market share in F1 (around 80% I
think) and motorsport in general so they are determined to make
everybody happy again.

It seems that Canon has been very reserved in processing
out-of-the-camera JPEG's. The best settings found so far are to
setup a custom Color Matrix and custom parameters. Here's how to
set them.

The parameters and color matrix settigs are both under the first
menu. Select Set 1, 2 or 3 for parameters and choose Set Up to
change the parameters. Choose the set you selected and set the Tone
Curve to Standard, Sharpness to 2 or 3 (to your liking) and
Contrast to +1.

Go back to the first menu and choose Color Matrix. Select 6CM set1
or 7CM set2 and choose Set Up to change the settings of that Color
Matrix. Set it to color space sRGB or AdobeRGB (to your liking),
Saturation to Mid. High and Color tone to 0. You might want to
experiment with the Color tone to your liking. Some report that
setting it to 1 is better.

This is so far the setting which is though to give the best
results. For sure Canon will come up with a good solution, probably
in the form a firmware update which should at least fix the red's
and yellow's.

Grtz,
Marco

--

Cavalier - Canon EOS D60, 70-200mm 2.8L IS, 24-70mm 2.8L, Canon 28-135mm 3.5/5.6 IS, Sigma 14mm 2.8, dual 550EX - http://www.hobsonschoicephotography.com

 

[OpulenteOne]

Just another tag.

--
Vive bene, Spesso L'Amore, di Risata Molto
-- Live Well, Love Much, Laugh Often

 

[Mark J.]

Cool - now all of you who contributed nothing to the thread except to report that you were tagging it, can get notified every time someone else does the same.

When I first got my MII I shot a Macbeth color chart in each of the color spaces to see how JPG processing affects the output. Not that big of a deal to me, since I always shoot raw anyway, but those of you who are shooting JPGs might want to look at how your own camera performs under your preferred settings and make adjustments as you see fit to get the results you want.

Report from a collegue in Barcelona, Spain

The Mark II has not been received very well in the world of Formula
One at this weekend's Spanish Grand Prix.

It's especially the colours that have caused a lot of uproar,
eventhough the sharpness is also a problem for most (being used to
the sharpness of the 1D). The camera is hardly able to capture the
red of the Ferrari's and also the yellow's of Jordan and Renault
looks very dull. I can only second that after shooting with it for
the first time last weekend, although the reds look better on my
CRT than on a LCD screen.

There was so much dissatisfaction, that Canon decided to flew in
somebody from Canon Europe. Yesterday, he collected a lot of RAW
files from many photographers which will all be send to Canon Japan
for analysis. Canon has a huge market share in F1 (around 80% I
think) and motorsport in general so they are determined to make
everybody happy again.

It seems that Canon has been very reserved in processing
out-of-the-camera JPEG's. The best settings found so far are to
setup a custom Color Matrix and custom parameters. Here's how to
set them.

The parameters and color matrix settigs are both under the first
menu. Select Set 1, 2 or 3 for parameters and choose Set Up to
change the parameters. Choose the set you selected and set the Tone
Curve to Standard, Sharpness to 2 or 3 (to your liking) and
Contrast to +1.

Go back to the first menu and choose Color Matrix. Select 6CM set1
or 7CM set2 and choose Set Up to change the settings of that Color
Matrix. Set it to color space sRGB or AdobeRGB (to your liking),
Saturation to Mid. High and Color tone to 0. You might want to
experiment with the Color tone to your liking. Some report that
setting it to 1 is better.

This is so far the setting which is though to give the best
results. For sure Canon will come up with a good solution, probably
in the form a firmware update which should at least fix the red's
and yellow's.

Grtz,
Marco

--
Mark J.
http://www.intsysint.com/
http://www.airrace.org/

 

[chrisbruno]

Same here...


-Chris

 

[Jon Robichaud]

Thanks for the info,
Jon

Just another tag.

--
Vive bene, Spesso L'Amore, di Risata Molto
-- Live Well, Love Much, Laugh Often

--
'A mans' gots to know his limitations'
Dirty Harry 'Magnum Force'

 

[Jack Leavitt]

I'll be interested in what Canon does. I have a MKII on order.

Just another tag.

--
Vive bene, Spesso L'Amore, di Risata Molto
-- Live Well, Love Much, Laugh Often

--
'A mans' gots to know his limitations'
Dirty Harry 'Magnum Force'

--
Jack

 

[Kyle Burt]

I'll be shooting the historic F-1 race there next weekend so I'll give this a try. The colors won't be quite as challenging since they are Pre-'77 so the day-glo colors weren't around at that point, but every bit helps.

I will post pictures when I get back to California on Tuesday - I'll be watching the Monaco GP at home on the TV like everyone else.

Report from a collegue in Barcelona, Spain

The Mark II has not been received very well in the world of Formula
One at this weekend's Spanish Grand Prix.

It's especially the colours that have caused a lot of uproar,
eventhough the sharpness is also a problem for most (being used to
the sharpness of the 1D). The camera is hardly able to capture the
red of the Ferrari's and also the yellow's of Jordan and Renault
looks very dull. I can only second that after shooting with it for
the first time last weekend, although the reds look better on my
CRT than on a LCD screen.

There was so much dissatisfaction, that Canon decided to flew in
somebody from Canon Europe. Yesterday, he collected a lot of RAW
files from many photographers which will all be send to Canon Japan
for analysis. Canon has a huge market share in F1 (around 80% I
think) and motorsport in general so they are determined to make
everybody happy again.

It seems that Canon has been very reserved in processing
out-of-the-camera JPEG's. The best settings found so far are to
setup a custom Color Matrix and custom parameters. Here's how to
set them.

The parameters and color matrix settigs are both under the first
menu. Select Set 1, 2 or 3 for parameters and choose Set Up to
change the parameters. Choose the set you selected and set the Tone
Curve to Standard, Sharpness to 2 or 3 (to your liking) and
Contrast to +1.

Go back to the first menu and choose Color Matrix. Select 6CM set1
or 7CM set2 and choose Set Up to change the settings of that Color
Matrix. Set it to color space sRGB or AdobeRGB (to your liking),
Saturation to Mid. High and Color tone to 0. You might want to
experiment with the Color tone to your liking. Some report that
setting it to 1 is better.

This is so far the setting which is though to give the best
results. For sure Canon will come up with a good solution, probably
in the form a firmware update which should at least fix the red's
and yellow's.

Grtz,
Marco

 

[Chief]

--
MOLON LABE!

Regards,
John

 

[Rich O'C]

Will be watching this thread with interest as I'll be at Montreal June 11-13, and Indy June 18-20. Any setting tips will be greatly appreciated. Still have the 1D, and will be using both, but want accurate color rendition out of the new machine as well.

 

[brooke]

Report from a collegue in Barcelona, Spain

The Mark II has not been received very well in the world of Formula
One at this weekend's Spanish Grand Prix.

It's especially the colours that have caused a lot of uproar,
eventhough the sharpness is also a problem for most (being used to
the sharpness of the 1D). The camera is hardly able to capture the
red of the Ferrari's and also the yellow's of Jordan and Renault
looks very dull. I can only second that after shooting with it for
the first time last weekend, although the reds look better on my
CRT than on a LCD screen.

There was so much dissatisfaction, that Canon decided to flew in
somebody from Canon Europe. Yesterday, he collected a lot of RAW
files from many photographers which will all be send to Canon Japan
for analysis. Canon has a huge market share in F1 (around 80% I
think) and motorsport in general so they are determined to make
everybody happy again.

It seems that Canon has been very reserved in processing
out-of-the-camera JPEG's. The best settings found so far are to
setup a custom Color Matrix and custom parameters. Here's how to
set them.

The parameters and color matrix settigs are both under the first
menu. Select Set 1, 2 or 3 for parameters and choose Set Up to
change the parameters. Choose the set you selected and set the Tone
Curve to Standard, Sharpness to 2 or 3 (to your liking) and
Contrast to +1.

Go back to the first menu and choose Color Matrix. Select 6CM set1
or 7CM set2 and choose Set Up to change the settings of that Color
Matrix. Set it to color space sRGB or AdobeRGB (to your liking),
Saturation to Mid. High and Color tone to 0. You might want to
experiment with the Color tone to your liking. Some report that
setting it to 1 is better.

This is so far the setting which is though to give the best
results. For sure Canon will come up with a good solution, probably
in the form a firmware update which should at least fix the red's
and yellow's.

Grtz,
Marco

 

[Mike P.74348]

Report from a collegue in Barcelona, Spain

The Mark II has not been received very well in the world of Formula
One at this weekend's Spanish Grand Prix.

It's especially the colours that have caused a lot of uproar,
eventhough the sharpness is also a problem for most (being used to
the sharpness of the 1D). The camera is hardly able to capture the
red of the Ferrari's and also the yellow's of Jordan and Renault
looks very dull. I can only second that after shooting with it for
the first time last weekend, although the reds look better on my
CRT than on a LCD screen.

There was so much dissatisfaction, that Canon decided to flew in
somebody from Canon Europe. Yesterday, he collected a lot of RAW
files from many photographers which will all be send to Canon Japan
for analysis. Canon has a huge market share in F1 (around 80% I
think) and motorsport in general so they are determined to make
everybody happy again.

It seems that Canon has been very reserved in processing
out-of-the-camera JPEG's. The best settings found so far are to
setup a custom Color Matrix and custom parameters. Here's how to
set them.

The parameters and color matrix settigs are both under the first
menu. Select Set 1, 2 or 3 for parameters and choose Set Up to
change the parameters. Choose the set you selected and set the Tone
Curve to Standard, Sharpness to 2 or 3 (to your liking) and
Contrast to +1.

Go back to the first menu and choose Color Matrix. Select 6CM set1
or 7CM set2 and choose Set Up to change the settings of that Color
Matrix. Set it to color space sRGB or AdobeRGB (to your liking),
Saturation to Mid. High and Color tone to 0. You might want to
experiment with the Color tone to your liking. Some report that
setting it to 1 is better.

This is so far the setting which is though to give the best
results. For sure Canon will come up with a good solution, probably
in the form a firmware update which should at least fix the red's
and yellow's.

Grtz,
Marco

--
Mike P.

Equipment list is in the profile...

 

[Craig W]

Is it not better to go for Adobe as the color space ? I allways thought that SRGB is a limited color space compared to adobe ?
Then again I may be talking pants !

Report from a collegue in Barcelona, Spain

The Mark II has not been received very well in the world of Formula
One at this weekend's Spanish Grand Prix.

It's especially the colours that have caused a lot of uproar,
eventhough the sharpness is also a problem for most (being used to
the sharpness of the 1D). The camera is hardly able to capture the
red of the Ferrari's and also the yellow's of Jordan and Renault
looks very dull. I can only second that after shooting with it for
the first time last weekend, although the reds look better on my
CRT than on a LCD screen.

There was so much dissatisfaction, that Canon decided to flew in
somebody from Canon Europe. Yesterday, he collected a lot of RAW
files from many photographers which will all be send to Canon Japan
for analysis. Canon has a huge market share in F1 (around 80% I
think) and motorsport in general so they are determined to make
everybody happy again.

It seems that Canon has been very reserved in processing
out-of-the-camera JPEG's. The best settings found so far are to
setup a custom Color Matrix and custom parameters. Here's how to
set them.

The parameters and color matrix settigs are both under the first
menu. Select Set 1, 2 or 3 for parameters and choose Set Up to
change the parameters. Choose the set you selected and set the Tone
Curve to Standard, Sharpness to 2 or 3 (to your liking) and
Contrast to +1.

Go back to the first menu and choose Color Matrix. Select 6CM set1
or 7CM set2 and choose Set Up to change the settings of that Color
Matrix. Set it to color space sRGB or AdobeRGB (to your liking),
Saturation to Mid. High and Color tone to 0. You might want to
experiment with the Color tone to your liking. Some report that
setting it to 1 is better.

This is so far the setting which is though to give the best
results. For sure Canon will come up with a good solution, probably
in the form a firmware update which should at least fix the red's
and yellow's.

Grtz,
Marco

 

[Malcolm Stewart]

Without knowing the bikes and the colours in real life, I suspect
the reds in these shots are not what they should be:

http://www.pbase.com/image/28556583
http://www.pbase.com/image/28556641
http://www.pbase.com/image/28556650
http://www.pbase.com/image/28556679
http://www.pbase.com/image/28557486

Grtz,
Marco

--
Malcolm Stewart
Milton Keynes, UK

http://www.megalith.freeserve.co.uk/oddimage.htm

 

[cspak]

Same here...

Report from a collegue in Barcelona, Spain

The Mark II has not been received very well in the world of Formula
One at this weekend's Spanish Grand Prix.

It's especially the colours that have caused a lot of uproar,
eventhough the sharpness is also a problem for most (being used to
the sharpness of the 1D). The camera is hardly able to capture the
red of the Ferrari's and also the yellow's of Jordan and Renault
looks very dull. I can only second that after shooting with it for
the first time last weekend, although the reds look better on my
CRT than on a LCD screen.

There was so much dissatisfaction, that Canon decided to flew in
somebody from Canon Europe. Yesterday, he collected a lot of RAW
files from many photographers which will all be send to Canon Japan
for analysis. Canon has a huge market share in F1 (around 80% I
think) and motorsport in general so they are determined to make
everybody happy again.

It seems that Canon has been very reserved in processing
out-of-the-camera JPEG's. The best settings found so far are to
setup a custom Color Matrix and custom parameters. Here's how to
set them.

The parameters and color matrix settigs are both under the first
menu. Select Set 1, 2 or 3 for parameters and choose Set Up to
change the parameters. Choose the set you selected and set the Tone
Curve to Standard, Sharpness to 2 or 3 (to your liking) and
Contrast to +1.

Go back to the first menu and choose Color Matrix. Select 6CM set1
or 7CM set2 and choose Set Up to change the settings of that Color
Matrix. Set it to color space sRGB or AdobeRGB (to your liking),
Saturation to Mid. High and Color tone to 0. You might want to
experiment with the Color tone to your liking. Some report that
setting it to 1 is better.

This is so far the setting which is though to give the best
results. For sure Canon will come up with a good solution, probably
in the form a firmware update which should at least fix the red's
and yellow's.

Grtz,
Marco

--
Canon 1D, Pentax Optio 555, and G-III QL (yes - film)

 

[Tim Wright]

Ok well I only got mine about a week ago and have only shot about 300 images mostly of nature shots. I have mine set at adobe rgb and 400 iso. I process the images in PS CS with it set to adobe rgb. I print on an epson 2200 through imageprint rip on enhanced matte and I have found all the images to be equall and mostly superior to my 10D images in every way. I don't feel I do any more tweeking to them than I did with the 10D shots. I have a Harley that is custom painted aztec orange which is kind of a coppery color and my subaru is a deep red both of these come out fine. I will be at the Montreal grand prix so I will test there but so far haven't found this problem at all.

 

[Michael Ray White]

I'm sure it's simple, but it's eluding me!

Report from a collegue in Barcelona, Spain

The Mark II has not been received very well in the world of Formula
One at this weekend's Spanish Grand Prix.

It's especially the colours that have caused a lot of uproar,
eventhough the sharpness is also a problem for most (being used to
the sharpness of the 1D). The camera is hardly able to capture the
red of the Ferrari's and also the yellow's of Jordan and Renault
looks very dull. I can only second that after shooting with it for
the first time last weekend, although the reds look better on my
CRT than on a LCD screen.

There was so much dissatisfaction, that Canon decided to flew in
somebody from Canon Europe. Yesterday, he collected a lot of RAW
files from many photographers which will all be send to Canon Japan
for analysis. Canon has a huge market share in F1 (around 80% I
think) and motorsport in general so they are determined to make
everybody happy again.

It seems that Canon has been very reserved in processing
out-of-the-camera JPEG's. The best settings found so far are to
setup a custom Color Matrix and custom parameters. Here's how to
set them.

The parameters and color matrix settigs are both under the first
menu. Select Set 1, 2 or 3 for parameters and choose Set Up to
change the parameters. Choose the set you selected and set the Tone
Curve to Standard, Sharpness to 2 or 3 (to your liking) and
Contrast to +1.

Go back to the first menu and choose Color Matrix. Select 6CM set1
or 7CM set2 and choose Set Up to change the settings of that Color
Matrix. Set it to color space sRGB or AdobeRGB (to your liking),
Saturation to Mid. High and Color tone to 0. You might want to
experiment with the Color tone to your liking. Some report that
setting it to 1 is better.

This is so far the setting which is though to give the best
results. For sure Canon will come up with a good solution, probably
in the form a firmware update which should at least fix the red's
and yellow's.

Grtz,
Marco