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There have been many recent posts by people considering venturing into the world of macro-photography. These posts occur frequently on the forums and usually start with “cheap’ ways to get into macro shots: extension tubes vs close up lenses; then progress to comparing Canon, Sigma, and Tamron macro lenses (they are all good optically), working distances vis-à-vis 50, 100, & 180mm; and eventually on to discussing light sources.

While not claiming to be an expert, or even a great macro photographer, I thought I would add my two cents worth on the illumination/aperture/shutter speed issues. (Actually given the length, you may be getting four cents worth.)

Whether an external light source is necessary for macro shots is really determined by the subject matter and how you wish to portray it. There are certainly plenty of good macro images out there that were taken using natural light. However, having some control of the light source can expand the range of macro opportunities.

Most macro shots require a lot of light. Unfortunately when natural light is at its brightest, full sun at midday, the conditions are hardly optimal because of high contrast and deep shadows.

For most outdoor macro shots, a combination of small aperture and relatively high shutter speed is required. Also, since you are dealing with images where a lot of detail must be preserved, an ISO of 400 or less is usually required.

Small aperture

For subjects that are to be shot at or around 1:1 the depth of field can is paper thin and apertures of f/16 or greater are often required. Apertures smaller than f/16 tend to cause diffraction problems and a loss of resolution – but there are times when depth of field is more important than resolution and f/22 or even f/32 must be used.

Relatively high shutter speed

At high magnifications (at or around 1:1) avoiding camera shake is a real problem. For macro shots, the magnification matters more than the focal length – a 50mm lens is no easier to handhold than a 100mm lens, if they are both at 1:1.

A tripod can help, but ...

You may think that a tripod would be a solution to the shutter speed problem, but live things tend to move around and dead things aren’t that interesting, and flowers can sway in the slightest breeze. Often, even with a tripod, slow shutter speeds are not desirable. Flowers, however are rarely true macro, but more usually just close ups.

With flash units, small apertures can be used with shutter speeds up to the sync speed of 1/200 or 1/250s.

Dedicated macro flash units, ring or twin lights, are a good way to provide external lighting. But they are an expensive solution and don’t have many ancillary uses. The camera’s built-in flash can be used, but diffusing the flash is a problem, and because of the direction of the output, much of the light passes over and not on to the subject. I have, however, seen many good macro shots using the built-in flash for fill.

Flash units such as the Canon 420ex, 550ex, and 580ex can be used very successfully, especially when used with a diffuser such as a Stofen Omnibounce or Lumiquest Softbox. These units can be mounted in the hot shoe, or when used with an off camera cord, held beside the camera or mounted on a bracket. Units like the 550ex can be tilted down 7° to help alleviate the directional problems of hot shoe mounting. If your camera does not have FEC, the 550ex and 580ex flashes are better choices than the 420ex or built-in flash.

For insects and other fauna I use a 550ex, shoe mounted with a Omnibounce. I use apertures in the f/11 – f/16 range and shutter speeds in the 1/125 – 1/160s range. I rarely use f/22 and 1/200s because I want some ambient light in the shot – using very small apertures and fast shutter speeds leads to black backgrounds, which I generally do not like. Some photographs prefer black backgrounds because they isolate the subject, but I find they give a very artificial quality to the image.

For flora I sometimes use natural light with a collapsible reflector. At other times I use one or two 550EXs with diffusers – often with the camera on a tripod and a 550ex handheld. In woods and other low light situations I use both 550EXs, generally mounted on cheap, lightweight tripods and use a shoe mounted ST-E2 remote trigger to fire them.

All the best,
Brian A.
 
Good info - thanks.

One thing I think you left out is I assume the camera setting is normally in manual to set the required aperture and speed, therefore using the Flash Ettl metering?
 
Good info - thanks.
One thing I think you left out is I assume the camera setting is
normally in manual to set the required aperture and speed,
Yes, the only way to vary the amount of fill on Canon systems is to use manual mode on the camera. Both Av and Tv mode use ambient light as the main source, and the flash purely as fill - I generally want the opposite: flash as main source, ambient light for fill.
therefore using the Flash Ettl metering?
Sometimes ettl, at other times (if the lighting is very difficult), manual flash too. The 550ex and 580ex units can set from full output to 1/128 power.

Brian A.
 
a 50mm lens is no easier to handhold than a
100mm lens, if they are both at 1:1.
Are you sure about this? I'm not a professional but I really doubt it!

Let's take an example: Let's say you move your lens at 1:1 magnification by 1 degree to any side . On a 100mm lens your field of view will change more than on a 50mm lens because working distance is longer!! Same thing with camera shake: The same vibration causes more change in the field of view when using a longer FL...

Thanks for sharing your experiences!
There have been many recent posts by people considering venturing
into the world of macro-photography. These posts occur frequently
on the forums and usually start with “cheap’ ways to get into macro
shots: extension tubes vs close up lenses; then progress to
comparing Canon, Sigma, and Tamron macro lenses (they are all good
optically), working distances vis-à-vis 50, 100, & 180mm; and
eventually on to discussing light sources.

While not claiming to be an expert, or even a great macro
photographer, I thought I would add my two cents worth on the
illumination/aperture/shutter speed issues. (Actually given the
length, you may be getting four cents worth.)

Whether an external light source is necessary for macro shots is
really determined by the subject matter and how you wish to portray
it. There are certainly plenty of good macro images out there that
were taken using natural light. However, having some control of the
light source can expand the range of macro opportunities.

Most macro shots require a lot of light. Unfortunately when natural
light is at its brightest, full sun at midday, the conditions are
hardly optimal because of high contrast and deep shadows.

For most outdoor macro shots, a combination of small aperture and
relatively high shutter speed is required. Also, since you are
dealing with images where a lot of detail must be preserved, an ISO
of 400 or less is usually required.

Small aperture
For subjects that are to be shot at or around 1:1 the depth of
field can is paper thin and apertures of f/16 or greater are often
required. Apertures smaller than f/16 tend to cause diffraction
problems and a loss of resolution – but there are times when depth
of field is more important than resolution and f/22 or even f/32
must be used.

Relatively high shutter speed
At high magnifications (at or around 1:1) avoiding camera shake is
a real problem. For macro shots, the magnification matters more
than the focal length – a 50mm lens is no easier to handhold than a
100mm lens, if they are both at 1:1.

A tripod can help, but ...
You may think that a tripod would be a solution to the shutter
speed problem, but live things tend to move around and dead things
aren’t that interesting, and flowers can sway in the slightest
breeze. Often, even with a tripod, slow shutter speeds are not
desirable. Flowers, however are rarely true macro, but more usually
just close ups.

With flash units, small apertures can be used with shutter speeds
up to the sync speed of 1/200 or 1/250s.

Dedicated macro flash units, ring or twin lights, are a good way to
provide external lighting. But they are an expensive solution and
don’t have many ancillary uses. The camera’s built-in flash can be
used, but diffusing the flash is a problem, and because of the
direction of the output, much of the light passes over and not on
to the subject. I have, however, seen many good macro shots using
the built-in flash for fill.

Flash units such as the Canon 420ex, 550ex, and 580ex can be used
very successfully, especially when used with a diffuser such as a
Stofen Omnibounce or Lumiquest Softbox. These units can be mounted
in the hot shoe, or when used with an off camera cord, held beside
the camera or mounted on a bracket. Units like the 550ex can be
tilted down 7° to help alleviate the directional problems of hot
shoe mounting. If your camera does not have FEC, the 550ex and
580ex flashes are better choices than the 420ex or built-in flash.

For insects and other fauna I use a 550ex, shoe mounted with a
Omnibounce. I use apertures in the f/11 – f/16 range and shutter
speeds in the 1/125 – 1/160s range. I rarely use f/22 and 1/200s
because I want some ambient light in the shot – using very small
apertures and fast shutter speeds leads to black backgrounds, which
I generally do not like. Some photographs prefer black backgrounds
because they isolate the subject, but I find they give a very
artificial quality to the image.

For flora I sometimes use natural light with a collapsible
reflector. At other times I use one or two 550EXs with diffusers –
often with the camera on a tripod and a 550ex handheld. In woods
and other low light situations I use both 550EXs, generally mounted
on cheap, lightweight tripods and use a shoe mounted ST-E2 remote
trigger to fire them.

All the best,
Brian A.
 
In practice it certainly seems the case - there is very little difference at 1:1. It is all relative; it doesn’t mater whether you consider the camera moving in relation to the subject or the subject moving in relation to the camera. If the subject moves say 1 mm over a certain time period, and the subject fills the 22 x 15 mm sensor frame, how much difference does it matter whether the lens has a focal length of 50 mm or 100 mm?

If camera shake was purely rotational, then the focal length would have more impact, as it does at longer/normal focusing distances.

It is quite complex and involves such issues as: does the focal length remain constant at such close distances? The Canon 50mm f/2.5 compact macro lens has a “life size converter”, does this lens still have a focal length of 50mm when coupled with the life size converter?

Consider also extension tubes: what affect do they have on the actual focal length of the combination. Is a 100 mm lens with 25 mm of extension still a 100 mm focal length lens?

Of course longer focal length lenses tend to be heavier, longer, and more difficult to hold, but that is a different issue.

Brian A.
a 50mm lens is no easier to handhold than a
100mm lens, if they are both at 1:1.
Are you sure about this? I'm not a professional but I really doubt it!
Let's take an example: Let's say you move your lens at 1:1
magnification by 1 degree to any side . On a 100mm lens your field
of view will change more than on a 50mm lens because working
distance is longer!! Same thing with camera shake: The same
vibration causes more change in the field of view when using a
longer FL...

Thanks for sharing your experiences!
 
Hugowolf wrote:
... and dead things aren’t that interesting,



Good information posted BTW. ;-)
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At this time of year, with few insects or flowering plants outside, I’ve been tempted to photograph the odd dead thing or two that I has been lying around (teenage offspring excluded). I have a dead butterfly, a ladybug, a couple of mosquitoes, and few other bugs. Unfortunately, after collection, these were left out on sheets of paper in the open and have now gathered considerable amounts of dust and other debris – little of which is visible to the naked eye (a strange expression, how can one be expected to see anything with a covered eye?), but the dirt and debris is clearly visible through a macro lens.

The moral: catch then soon after the nose dive or cover them up.

Nice shot BTW

Brian A.
Hugowolf wrote:

... and dead things aren’t that interesting,



Good information posted BTW. ;-)
--
Heaven sends snowmen to earth unassembled!
 
I just acquired canon 100mm f2.8 macro lens and this post is really helpful since I know next to nothing about macro yet. Thanks.

I remember I saw some guy's gallery with excellent macro shots, but unfortunately I can't find his link in my bookmark anymore. I remember one time he said those are mostly flowers from his wife's garden. His gallery also has a serie of Tuscany shots with some neat PP effect. If anyone can provide the link, I greatly appreciate the help.

Here is a couple my first tries with this lens (no flash used). Welcome any constructive suggestions and commnets.

Azalea:



Crocus



Green Spring (banana tree)



My try:
There have been many recent posts by people considering venturing
into the world of macro-photography. These posts occur frequently
on the forums and usually start with “cheap’ ways to get into macro
shots: extension tubes vs close up lenses; then progress to
comparing Canon, Sigma, and Tamron macro lenses (they are all good
optically), working distances vis-à-vis 50, 100, & 180mm; and
eventually on to discussing light sources.
 
a 50mm lens is no easier to handhold than a
100mm lens, if they are both at 1:1.
Are you sure about this? I'm not a professional but I really doubt it!
Let's take an example: Let's say you move your lens at 1:1
magnification by 1 degree to any side . On a 100mm lens your field
of view will change more than on a 50mm lens because working
distance is longer!! Same thing with camera shake: The same
vibration causes more change in the field of view when using a
longer FL...
Actually it depends on the type of movement. If the movement is translational (side to side or up and down) then at 1:1 it will have the same effect on a 50mm as a 100mm. If however the movement is rotational about the horizontal or vertical axes, then it will have more effect with the longer focal length. As camera shake is probably a combination of these movements I'd guess the 100mm would be slightly more affected, but not as much as you might think.

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It is a great lens isn't it?

You have made very good use of the available light and shallow depth of field - especially in the two water drop shots. I think the first shot would have been better with a little more in focus, but that really depends on what you were trying to achieve.

Brian A.
I remember I saw some guy's gallery with excellent macro shots, but
unfortunately I can't find his link in my bookmark anymore. I
remember one time he said those are mostly flowers from his wife's
garden. His gallery also has a serie of Tuscany shots with some
neat PP effect. If anyone can provide the link, I greatly
appreciate the help.

Here is a couple my first tries with this lens (no flash used).
Welcome any constructive suggestions and commnets.

Azalea:



Crocus



Green Spring (banana tree)



My try:
There have been many recent posts by people considering venturing
into the world of macro-photography. These posts occur frequently
on the forums and usually start with “cheap’ ways to get into macro
shots: extension tubes vs close up lenses; then progress to
comparing Canon, Sigma, and Tamron macro lenses (they are all good
optically), working distances vis-à-vis 50, 100, & 180mm; and
eventually on to discussing light sources.
 
Thanks, Brian.

Yes, this lens simply blew away the other two cheezy although capable lenses of mine (kit and 50mm 1.8). The color seems much better, more dynamic range, I think. It may have hooked me to "good lens only" from now on. $$$$

Thanks for the comment. I really want to hear what's the shortcomings of those shots so I can improve. :)

The real challenge will come when trying to shoot moving object. That seems so darn hard and I haven't tried yet.

About azalea, I do have shots with more DOF. Here is one (somehow I like the other one better) and I'd like any improvement ideas.



A couple more in the honor of spring.






It is a great lens isn't it?

You have made very good use of the available light and shallow
depth of field - especially in the two water drop shots. I think
the first shot would have been better with a little more in focus,
but that really depends on what you were trying to achieve.

Brian A.
 
There have been many recent posts by people considering venturing
into the world of macro-photography. These posts occur frequently
on the forums and usually start with “cheap’ ways to get into macro
shots: extension tubes vs close up lenses; then progress to
comparing Canon, Sigma, and Tamron macro lenses (they are all good
optically), working distances vis-à-vis 50, 100, & 180mm; and
eventually on to discussing light sources.

While not claiming to be an expert, or even a great macro
photographer, I thought I would add my two cents worth on the
illumination/aperture/shutter speed issues. (Actually given the
length, you may be getting four cents worth.)

Whether an external light source is necessary for macro shots is
really determined by the subject matter and how you wish to portray
it. There are certainly plenty of good macro images out there that
were taken using natural light. However, having some control of the
light source can expand the range of macro opportunities.

Most macro shots require a lot of light. Unfortunately when natural
light is at its brightest, full sun at midday, the conditions are
hardly optimal because of high contrast and deep shadows.

For most outdoor macro shots, a combination of small aperture and
relatively high shutter speed is required. Also, since you are
dealing with images where a lot of detail must be preserved, an ISO
of 400 or less is usually required.

Small aperture
For subjects that are to be shot at or around 1:1 the depth of
field can is paper thin and apertures of f/16 or greater are often
required. Apertures smaller than f/16 tend to cause diffraction
problems and a loss of resolution – but there are times when depth
of field is more important than resolution and f/22 or even f/32
must be used.

Relatively high shutter speed
At high magnifications (at or around 1:1) avoiding camera shake is
a real problem. For macro shots, the magnification matters more
than the focal length – a 50mm lens is no easier to handhold than a
100mm lens, if they are both at 1:1.

A tripod can help, but ...
You may think that a tripod would be a solution to the shutter
speed problem, but live things tend to move around and dead things
aren’t that interesting, and flowers can sway in the slightest
breeze. Often, even with a tripod, slow shutter speeds are not
desirable. Flowers, however are rarely true macro, but more usually
just close ups.

With flash units, small apertures can be used with shutter speeds
up to the sync speed of 1/200 or 1/250s.

Dedicated macro flash units, ring or twin lights, are a good way to
provide external lighting. But they are an expensive solution and
don’t have many ancillary uses. The camera’s built-in flash can be
used, but diffusing the flash is a problem, and because of the
direction of the output, much of the light passes over and not on
to the subject. I have, however, seen many good macro shots using
the built-in flash for fill.

Flash units such as the Canon 420ex, 550ex, and 580ex can be used
very successfully, especially when used with a diffuser such as a
Stofen Omnibounce or Lumiquest Softbox. These units can be mounted
in the hot shoe, or when used with an off camera cord, held beside
the camera or mounted on a bracket. Units like the 550ex can be
tilted down 7° to help alleviate the directional problems of hot
shoe mounting. If your camera does not have FEC, the 550ex and
580ex flashes are better choices than the 420ex or built-in flash.

For insects and other fauna I use a 550ex, shoe mounted with a
Omnibounce. I use apertures in the f/11 – f/16 range and shutter
speeds in the 1/125 – 1/160s range. I rarely use f/22 and 1/200s
because I want some ambient light in the shot – using very small
apertures and fast shutter speeds leads to black backgrounds, which
I generally do not like. Some photographs prefer black backgrounds
because they isolate the subject, but I find they give a very
artificial quality to the image.

For flora I sometimes use natural light with a collapsible
reflector. At other times I use one or two 550EXs with diffusers –
often with the camera on a tripod and a 550ex handheld. In woods
and other low light situations I use both 550EXs, generally mounted
on cheap, lightweight tripods and use a shoe mounted ST-E2 remote
trigger to fire them.

All the best,
Brian A.
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1st: Sony P5 (from 02)
2nd: Canon SD100 (from late 03)
3rd: Canon EOS 300D Rebel (from 05)
 
Thanks, Brian.

Yes, this lens simply blew away the other two cheezy although
capable lenses of mine (kit and 50mm 1.8). The color seems much
better, more dynamic range, I think. It may have hooked me to "good
lens only" from now on. $$$$
Yes folks rarely consider contrast and colour when choosing lenses, but they matter as much as resolution.
Thanks for the comment. I really want to hear what's the
shortcomings of those shots so I can improve. :)

The real challenge will come when trying to shoot moving object.
That seems so darn hard and I haven't tried yet.
That is when adding a light sorce makes a difference. It is hard to shoot insects with only available light. At 1:1, holding steady and retaining focus is not easy. In fact moving the camera, instead of turning the focus ring, is generally considered the best method.
About azalea, I do have shots with more DOF. Here is one (somehow I
like the other one better) and I'd like any improvement ideas.
It was difficult to recognize it as an azalea from the shot. Rhododendrons have ten stamen, azalea have five. Personally, I prefer the shot below.
I really like these shots of composites. They really show the flower within the flower of that family. The third shot, purpe/pink petals, I find a lttle back focussed. For me, I would have prefered the front petals to have been more in focus - either from a shift in focus or more depth of field. But it is still a good shot (exposure, contrast, and colour are all good).

I like the snap dragon shot, it is a good composition. Nice compression and a good frame filling shot.

Here in Virginia, spring is still weeks away. I still have snow in my garden and promises of more in the next few days. The crocuses are up, as are the iris reticula, but it will be a while before the azaleas and rhododendrons are in bloom. Even daffodils and tulips will be a couple of weeks.

Macro shots of moving subjects take some practice, but it looks like you are well on your way with flora.

I can't see how anyone can't enjoy their 100 mm f/2.8 macro lens, it is a beauty to behold and use. One hears so much about the EF 50mm f/1.8, but actually the 100 mm f/2.8 macro is Canon's best selling, fixed focal length lens (and rightly so).

Good shooting,
Brian A.
It is a great lens isn't it?

You have made very good use of the available light and shallow
depth of field - especially in the two water drop shots. I think
the first shot would have been better with a little more in focus,
but that really depends on what you were trying to achieve.

Brian A.
 
Was a good info. Thanks. It has been more than 4 months, that I own a Tamron 90mm+580EX, having read many like this, very much tempted to take some insect faces.

The most annoying fact is THERE IS NO INSECTS AROUND. I can't wait till summer.

Can any one suggest me, what are the things one can shoot other than insects?

-babu

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Yes folks rarely consider contrast and colour when choosing lenses,
but they matter as much as resolution.
I can't see how anyone can't enjoy their 100 mm f/2.8 macro lens,
it is a beauty to behold and use. One hears so much about the EF
50mm f/1.8, but actually the 100 mm f/2.8 macro is Canon's best
selling, fixed focal length lens (and rightly so).
Well, this lens is more than twice the price of the other two combined, better be much better. I only did a slight curve for PP in most cases, that's it. With the kit, a much more curved curve has to be applied to look good plus sharpening and such. I first was amazed how little I need to do in PS with this lens.
That is when adding a light sorce makes a difference. It is hard to
shoot insects with only available light. At 1:1, holding steady and
retaining focus is not easy. In fact moving the camera, instead of
turning the focus ring, is generally considered the best method.
Thanks for the tip, I will start to try when I get time. Somehow I feel I will make a lot failed shots at first. :)
For me, I would have prefered
the front petals to have been more in focus - either from a shift
in focus or more depth of field. But it is still a good shot
(exposure, contrast, and colour are all good).
Next time, I will try this approach for a change. Thanks. :)
Here in Virginia, spring is still weeks away. I still have snow in
my garden and promises of more in the next few days. The crocuses
are up, as are the iris reticula, but it will be a while before the
azaleas and rhododendrons are in bloom. Even daffodils and tulips
will be a couple of weeks.
My daffodils are blooming, Tulips just popped their leaf head out of the earth. Northern folks have white snow and red fall to shoot, here in Texas, we only have flower advantage. Not much landscape opportunity locally. It's so flat.

Enjoy the snow (we don't have it) while you can, spring will soon take over.

LL
 

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