Macro and close up solutions

With the flash light flip up (enabled), I am still able to see my subject clearly n do my MF with peaking when using a manual macro len with aperture closed (~f11-f13) . Without the flash my liveview is showing darkness at the same aperture.

with this I can consider getting a purely manual lens.
It seems to me that without flash if the view is too dark it means the image will also be too dark? In other words on my a6000 I see what I get when live view is set to on.

I have a flashlight installed on my len as focusing light to aid in night macro.

Now im considering getting a viltrox jy610ii (small flash which is sufficient enough for my macro.. And use my hvl-20s to wirelessly trigger it ?
I think that should work.

Only problem is is still the 1/160 flash sync speed. Not able to help me freeze the image also manual lens don't have OSS. Furthermore I ain't using tripod when shooting.

Dawson
I was able to get 1/250 with the Sunpak (could be a limitation of the Sony flash)

but posters above where using low power settings (faster flash speed) and not fast shutter speed to freeze action. (but this may require a more powerful flash) --otherwise it will require a flash capable of HSS
 
not sure if it's known to all??

I'm always skeptical in getting a manual macro lens not because of the losing the autofocus but more of losing the auto aperture control for metering the subject at f8-f11.

Today I tried installing my flashlight Hvl-20s and use my manual wide angle lens . It's able to light up my live view and I can't do manual focus with peaking clearly without adjusting to wider aperture.

does it mean I can consider a manual macro Len? Since when shooting macro I will always fire my flash..
I wouldn't get a lens without auto aperture. With a fully manual lens you will be composing and focusing with the lens stopped down, and at small apertures there is less light to make the image preview so the display can get very noisy which makes it much harder to focus. With an auto aperture lens, if you turn live view settings effect off you can focus with the lens wide open so you will have 4 or 5 stops more light. This gives you a much cleaner viewfinder image, and the shallow DOF makes it much easier to focus accurately because you can see exactly where the plane of focus is.
 
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With the flash light flip up (enabled), I am still able to see my subject clearly n do my MF with peaking when using a manual macro len with aperture closed (~f11-f13) . Without the flash my liveview is showing darkness at the same aperture.
This is because live view is showing you a preview of your image including the flash when the flash is on, and without the flash when it is off. If you turn live view settings effect off, you will see the bright image when the flash is off or on, but it isn't a preview of what your image will look like. You also need to turn it off if you use a manual flash because the camera won't know the flash is there so it will only show you a preview of your exposure with no flash. Turning settings effect off also keeps the lens wide open until you take the shot so you will get a cleaner display image.
 
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On the a6000 you can turn off live view display to focus when the aperture is closed and it also has an exposure guide or a histogram display to manually set exposure.
You've got this backwards. With settings effect turned on the camera keeps the aperture closed so you can see a DOF preview. If you turn settings effect off the camera will keep the aperture open until you take the shot and it will show a bright image in the viewfinder regardless of your exposure settings. In this mode the histogram is useless because it is based off the display which is not a preview of your exposure.
 
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OK thanks, I do not actually use the histogram much, I just use the guide number which seems to work either way.

Or maybe I am just confused,

but anyway for me stopping down a manual lens on the a6000 is no problem. As far as how the camera behaves there is no difference between a manual and auto aperture lens (the only difference is the camera can set the auto aperture lens) (at least that is the case with my Rokinon lens)

The a6000 seems to compensate for a manually closed aperture just the same as an electronically controlled one.

There are situations where there is not enough light to focus but you can't take pics in that case anyway without using a flash.

I can even tape a lens backwards on my camera and have no problem with a closed aperture focusing in moderate light. I can see that doing macro (or any photography) in the dark would be problematic.

But maybe the 5r works differently.
 
With the flash light flip up (enabled), I am still able to see my subject clearly n do my MF with peaking when using a manual macro len with aperture closed (~f11-f13) . Without the flash my liveview is showing darkness at the same aperture.
This is because live view is showing you a preview of your image including the flash when the flash is on, and without the flash when it is off. If you turn live view settings effect off, you will see the bright image when the flash is off or on, but it isn't a preview of what your image will look like. You also need to turn it off if you use a manual flash because the camera won't know the flash is there so it will only show you a preview of your exposure with no flash. Turning settings effect off also keeps the lens wide open until you take the shot so you will get a cleaner display image.
I'm confused. Nex-5r doesn't have viewfinder. So with the Sony flash turn on, the bright image that I'm seeing will be what I will be getting with flash firing?

Dawson
 
OK thanks, I do not actually use the histogram much, I just use the guide number which seems to work either way.

Or maybe I am just confused,

but anyway for me stopping down a manual lens on the a6000 is no problem. As far as how the camera behaves there is no difference between a manual and auto aperture lens (the only difference is the camera can set the auto aperture lens) (at least that is the case with my Rokinon lens)

The a6000 seems to compensate for a manually closed aperture just the same as an electronically controlled one.

There are situations where there is not enough light to focus but you can't take pics in that case anyway without using a flash.
It won't really be a problem if you have enough light to not use flash. I was talking about shooting macro with flash at small apertures.
 
I'm confused. Nex-5r doesn't have viewfinder. So with the Sony flash turn on, the bright image that I'm seeing will be what I will be getting with flash firing?
The display on the rear LCD of your NEX-5R shows the same info as the EVF would. With settings effect turned on it is showing you a preview of what your image will look like so it will show a brighter image when the flash is turned on.
 
I'm confused. Nex-5r doesn't have viewfinder. So with the Sony flash turn on, the bright image that I'm seeing will be what I will be getting with flash firing?
The display on the rear LCD of your NEX-5R shows the same info as the EVF would. With settings effect turned on it is showing you a preview of what your image will look like so it will show a brighter image when the flash is turned on.
Which mean I'm still able to view the brighten up preview on my liveview when I'm using the Venus 60mm 2:1 on my nex-5r at near closed aperture of f18 when firing the Sony flash ?

That resolved the manual aperture issue isn't it? Limitation is I have to always fire the flash in all circumtances
 
The display on the rear LCD of your NEX-5R shows the same info as the EVF would. With settings effect turned on it is showing you a preview of what your image will look like so it will show a brighter image when the flash is turned on.
Which mean I'm still able to view the brighten up preview on my liveview when I'm using the Venus 60mm 2:1 on my nex-5r at near closed aperture of f18 when firing the Sony flash ?
With the Sony flash yes, but if you use a manual flash you have to turn settings effect off or you will get a dark preview.
That resolved the manual aperture issue isn't it? Limitation is I have to always fire the flash in all circumtances
If it works for you then yes, but in lower light at f/18 the live view image can get very noisy. Admittedly this was more of an issue for me doing product photography indoors than it was shooting bugs in daylight.
 
What I was trying to say is that it would have to be pretty dark for me to not be able to focus a fully closed manual aperture lens.

But if that is the case than a continuous external light will probably be needed with any lens (unless the flash has a really strong focus light that will stay on during manual focus)

I guess if you are trying to shoot insects that are only out at darker hours you may need a very bright portable light or collect them and bring them into the studio.
 
What I was trying to say is that it would have to be pretty dark for me to not be able to focus a fully closed manual aperture lens.
Maybe, but at f/16 and 1:1 magnification even moderate light will give you a noisy preview, especially if you use focus magnification.
But if that is the case than a continuous external light will probably be needed with any lens (unless the flash has a really strong focus light that will stay on during manual focus)

I guess if you are trying to shoot insects that are only out at darker hours you may need a very bright portable light or collect them and bring them into the studio.
You could do that, or if you have a lens with auto aperture you could turn off settings effect and get 6 stops more light through the lens.
 
Yeah, after looking closer I can see that even though the screen brightens considerably with live view off with a manual lens it is not nearly as bright as an auto aperture lens where it can temporarily open the aperture.

It seems that if you are always having to use a flash than auto aperture and OSS would be big advantages.
 
I just bought the Neewer Pro 4 Way Macro Focusing Rail Slider for around $45. It's made of aluminum and plastic, and is pretty lightweight. So far, I haven't had a chance to use it due to incessant rains.

Anyway, for the money, I think I'm going to get good macro shots where I was struggling with movement of my arms earlier. I might also need to buy a tripod with an articulating centre column and legs that go flat, and probably a sturdy ball head as well. I spotted a used set somewhere for less than $200, but I don't know if it's still available... :-/
I did quite a bit of research about which tripod to get (and if a cheap used one is available). My requirements were simple: sturdy, with legs that go flat on the ground, an articulating centre column, lightweight, and under $150 (ball head optional). I considered quite a few options but finally found the (now out of production) Benro A1980F tripod legs, for $138 in the gray market.

I don't need a ball head, as I have a Manfrotto tilt head, and the centre column on the tripod can be rotated on the long axis apart from the vertical and horizontal articulation.

Other options considered seriously:

MeFoto a0350Q kit - cheaper on eBay, very light, less sturdy, no articulating column

Sirui t-005x kit - ditto

Benro a1692tB0 kit - same weight including ball head, sturdier, one leg converts to monopod / walking stick, but no articulating centre column,

The MeFoto and Sirui were very practical options, especially as they weigh only 1.2kg and take very little space, but somehow I couldn't get over this articulation fixation.

Review over the weekend.
 
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I just got my wife a new Sony DSC-HX80 and here is a comparison between it and my a6000 with SEL9028

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I could not beat the resolution and detail the HX80 provided for this subject.

(but maybe if I tried harder maybe I could do a bit better)

The large depth of field and the ability to keep the aperture wide is a big advantage for making the subject sharp

However the wide angle is not flattering and the background is rough but the HX80 is not specifically for macros it is a long zoom compact.

The aps-c also excels in other areas.

Anyway I think the results are interesting.

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-Chris
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cspics/albums
 
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