Initial comparison to the a7Rv

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I have had my a1ii for a few days now, and used it enough to make some initial comparisons to my a7Rv, and share some other observations from actual use in the field. I do (mostly) concert photography, in (mostly) dark dive bars. With the a7Rv, using EFC and a shutter speed usually around 1/250, I would sometimes get banding in some venues due to their LED lights. With fully electronic shutter, I would almost always get banding in almost every venue.

So far, with fully electronic shutter and in the "worst" (IMHO) lighting environments, I have yet to see any banding with my a1ii. None. So that's the primary difference for me. I think I will be able to use the electronic shutter full time, thus less wear even when using pre-capture.

Image quality:

Pretty much the same. The a7Rv has a higher resolution, I would say just about at the threshold where it might make a difference, so I think the a7Rv gets a nod here. 61 > 50 any way you compute it. Math is math.

Features:

The additional knob on the body and on the VG might be very useful in some situations depending on your technique. The body (and VG) also have a C5 button on the front. I have set it to turn on/off pre-capture, another new feature which I am looking forward to exploring. The rear screens are the same, which is great because this is the best rear screen configuration since the A-mount a77/99. The menus are mostly the same, but the a1ii has more options for more features which I have not fully explored.

Handling:

The bodies are very similar, but the a1ii has slightly modified the grip and it is more comfortable. In particular, with a fat lens (like the Venus 10/2.8) there is more finger room. Big plus for the a1ii. The strap connector on the a1ii VG is about 3/4" (2cm) from where it is on the a7Rv. I use this for a Peak Design dongle connected to a wrist strap. It's different, but not a difference that (for me) has any practical significance. The on/off switch on my new a1ii is stiffer than on my almost 3 year old a7Rv.

Performance:

The a1ii performs better and faster— full stop. AF is improved, the buffer clears faster, and it handles flickering lights better. As mentioned above– the full electronic shutter is so good I don't think I will use the mechanical shutter anymore.

Summary:

When I got my hands on the a7Rv, I thought it was hands down the best concert photography camera available. The a1ii now holds that spot. The a7Rv remains, of course, a fantastic camera. It is still better for landscapes and portraits. But the a1ii is a beast and can handle more situations better. It is also a lot more expensive. For me, it's worth it. By taking advantage of the faster burst rate with improved AF and pre-capture, I will get more keepers. I will also be able to do so with the silent electronic shutter. In my opinion, both cameras are worth the money. The rather minor issues with the a7Rv (mostly with banding) can be managed so it remains a quite viable option. The lack of any negatives I have found (so far) with the a1ii make it a better, albeit more expensive, camera. You can't go wrong with either.

End note: My understanding is that the a1ii has better video performance. I don't do very much video so I can't comment or review that aspect of either camera.
 
Thats not random that is exactly the math you don't know
??
alternate current that is main powered goes with a sinusoid so tungsten
Tungsten ain't got flicker. Yo.
You are confusing cause and effect
And here where you are admitting that as you don't know actually anything about how things work you try to undermine others
I admit nothing of the sort. Do you know what "undermine" means?
That is what you are trying to do with your pathetic attempts
LED as I have explain to you
You saw a video about PWM, and misunderstood it.
You better read the link on how the camera shutter works
I am not sure what background you have
Extensive experience with many different cameras. Including my brand new a1ii. This thread is a review based on real world experience. I provided receipts.
Experience is part of knowledge but not the only part intelligence is required to make sense of empirical observations

and if you have studied anything
I have studied many things, yes. Fear. Drama. The human spirit. Obsession. Humor. Rhetorical constructs. Air fryers. Hamsters.
But not maths or physics it seems
but you have to be extra careful about making statements about maths or physics you don't actually know
That's certainly not been stopping you.
Because I have studied those subject and I cant tell you have not
If you did you would have not used the mixed light example and the banding as a comparison between two cameras.
I am reviewing the Sony a1ii, and in particular a comparison to the a7Rv, which I think would be helpful to many readers. That's what I do, I post that which I think would be helpful and informative, sometimes utilizing rhetorical constructs that add some humor. I feel it is better than plucking stats from documentation and theorizing with a disconnect from real world experience. Don't we all?
Your post is not informative
Sony A7R V sync speed 1/250 A1 ES 1/200 A7R V better than A1 in ES

A1 EFCS sync speed 1/400 better than A7R V 1/250

Safety order

1. A1 EFCS

2. A7R V Mech shutter

3. A1 ES

To say the A1 ES is better than the A7R V using mech shutter is wrong

Sony Rx100 sync speed 1/2000 better option than any other
Yeah... I guess not. BTW my actual real-world experience is that in many circumstances the a1ii ES is better than the a7Rv mechanical shutter. In other circumstances it is not. I am surprised you would suggest otherwise based on your actual real-world experience. So strange.
As I said above you need to be able to understand the things you observe to make sense of them
Sony A9III global shutter best option

And yes global shutter would help but even so not necessarily eliminate the issue because you still have the problem of exposure time
And here where you are admitting a global shutter does not eliminate banding. Is this based on experience or theory?
Considering your background any more explanations are futile
Feel free to join the air fryer forum now
A bunch of know-it-alls pontificating math woo and trying to apply it to everything and making no sense. Not my thing.
I think quite a few things are not your thing
Some reading for you
Posting a link is not the same as understanding it.
It is about you understanding it so that you don't keep on with the nonsense
 
Shooting under mixed lighting and led is the primary use case for a global shutter.
A primary use case— not the. As many reviews have noted, based on real world actual experience, there are other primary use cases.
There is no significant improvement between the A7R V and the A1 in your main use case
My actual real world experience with both cameras in similar settings refutes that statement. And I haven't even fully explored pre-capture and high frame rates! I have both so I can choose which to use based on the wide variety of use cases I am presented with. Strengths and weaknesses and all that. What are you going to do next, pluck stats from the documentation?
as the shutter rate only goes from 1/250 to 1/400
Ah, right. There you are. Six == 1/2 dozen.
The A9 will eliminate banding in an single frame and thats the camera that you should have chosen
In the poor lighting I often find myself in? You make me laugh, ha ha ha! Obviously, 25Mp would often not yield results that meet my high and demanding standards. If my use cases included certain particular other scenarios, it might make a good or even great choice. Buy they don't and it doesn't and I didn't. It would have been a poor choice— for me. Have you found that camera's 25 Mp sufficient for your standards?
 
Shooting under mixed lighting and led is the primary use case for a global shutter.
A primary use case— not the. As many reviews have noted, based on real world actual experience, there are other primary use cases.
There is no significant improvement between the A7R V and the A1 in your main use case
My actual real world experience with both cameras in similar settings refutes that statement. And I haven't even fully explored pre-capture and high frame rates! I have both so I can choose which to use based on the wide variety of use cases I am presented with. Strengths and weaknesses and all that. What are you going to do next, pluck stats from the documentation?
as the shutter rate only goes from 1/250 to 1/400
Ah, right. There you are. Six == 1/2 dozen.
Unfortunately it is not as simple as that but I am not suprised you dont get it
The A9 will eliminate banding in an single frame and thats the camera that you should have chosen
In the poor lighting I often find myself in? You make me laugh, ha ha ha! Obviously, 25Mp would often not yield results that meet my high and demanding standards. If my use cases included certain particular other scenarios, it might make a good or even great choice. Buy they don't and it doesn't and I didn't. It would have been a poor choice— for me. Have you found that camera's 25 Mp sufficient for your standards?
Your website is all about people performing on stage hence that looks like your primary use case and that is the example you wrongly threw in to demonstrate benefits that do not exist

24 megapixels of images without artefacts are better than 50 with uneseable banding

You used a really not thought through example to make a comparison what more to say

I wonder what your other use cases are if you applied similar judgment there may be other flaws but it is your money you are wasting so go on

besides your rating is a joke. This camera does very well in landcape or portraits the A7R V may have a tiny little edge but it is very hard to tell

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Considering your background any more explanations are futile
Let's go with that. Futile, as in any of your further explanations would not be worth your effort to type them, or for me to read them. Agreed.
It is about you understanding it so that you don't keep on with the nonsense
Yes! Let use dispense with any further nonsense. Well put.
 
Unfortunately it is not as simple as that but I am not suprised you dont get it
I don't. I am hopeless. No need for any further effort on your part.
Your website is all about people performing on stage hence that looks like your primary use case and that is the example you wrongly threw in to demonstrate benefits that do not exist
Wrong. You are conflating my explanations of my use cases with, perhaps, another thread on a different topic? You are quite the prolific poster. It reminds me of a chess "master" playing 12 people at once. And losing to all of them.
24 megapixels of images without artefacts are better than 50 with uneseable banding
I do not get banding very often. A significant reduction in resolution would negatively affect my results, which would thus affect my reputation for high quality photographs. A reputation I enjoy and am in no rush to have besmirched. Yea, verily.
You used a really not thought through example to make a comparison what more to say
None. None more to say. You have achieved that which you sought. Well played. I believe you have 11 other games, your attention would be better directed there.
I wonder what your other use cases are if you applied similar judgment there may be other flaws but it is your money you are wasting so go on
I shall go on, I suggest you do the same.
besides your rating is a joke. This camera does very well in landcape or portraits the A7R V may have a tiny little edge but it is very hard to tell
You base that on your experience with both cameras, touche and further discussion pointless. Well played.
 
I've now used my a1ii in a lot more venues, some of which I would get banding on my a7Rv when shooting with EFC. Only one of those venues (mentioned above, pardon the nonsense) gave me banding with my a1ii. My conclusion: it was due to different banks of lights flickering at different rates, so sometimes the banding was on the foreground (one bank of lights), sometimes on the background (different bank of lights), and most of the time no banding (statistics). That was even with the electronic shutter.

All of the other venues work perfectly with the electronic shutter, so (IMHO) this is "the best concert camera". Yeah, a global shutter would be nice, but there are no such cameras on the market with sufficient resolution to satisfy my wants and needs. Maybe when the a9R(?) or a1iii comes out I'll take a look.

Recent shots from a stage underlit with LED lights (all with electronic shutter, black levels pumped in post):

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I just received my A1II two days ago and have barely had time to check it out. I have noticed that in low light situations like your event photos it locks focus in a flash where my A7Rv might be hunting.
 
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That is not correct.
Yes unless the frequency are multiple of each other
No. There are many other permutation of factors where mixed frequency lights will not cause banding with an electronic sensor. Sometimes. Other times, even a second later, the same lighting will cause banding. Do not bet against math. Math always wins.
Thats what global shutter will fix
A global shutter will completely fix one kind of banding, but not (less prevalent) other kinds of banding. I'm a bit of an expert on the subject matter here.
seems like you don’t really know the subject matter here
Wow! I am embarrassed. I literally two sentences ago claimed, quite authoritatively, that I am in fact an expert. With one sentence it seems like you proved me wrong.
Posting a link is not the same thing as understanding it's content.
Do you also have many leather bound books? Does your house smell like rich mahogany?
 
I don't know how to put this, but I'm kind of a big deal. People know me.
 
As I noted before, the a1ii exhibits slightly better AF performance than the a1ii. My observations were based on Sony lenses. With the 3rd party lenses I own (Sigma 15/1.4 fisheye and Viltrox 16/1.8), I have not noticed a difference between the cameras. In particular, with these lenses the AF is excellent in the center of the frame, but with the a7Rv AF locking and tracking are noticeably inconsistent as the subject gets closer to the edge. Is this due to their being 3rd party lenses? Maybe due to their being wider lenses than any of my Sony lenses? I don't know.

I am happy to report that the a1ii exhibits significantly better AF with 3rd party lenses— at the edges. I can't say for sure if this applies to all 3rd party lenses, as I only have a sample size of two.









End note— these were taken with flickering LED lights using electronic shutter. No banding.

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spoke to a mate last week , he loves the new A1ii over the original A1 , he said the sensor is improved as well. no one is going to take the a7r5 over the new A1ii. you will find the af points are closer to the boarders on the A1
 
spoke to a mate last week , he loves the new A1ii over the original A1 , he said the sensor is improved as well. no one is going to take the a7r5 over the new A1ii. you will find the af points are closer to the boarders on the A1
The sensor is the same there is a 0.1 ev benefit of pdr which you cant see

some people like lots of pixels
 
no one is going to take the a7r5 over the new A1ii.
The a7Rv remains a fantastic camera, and exceeds the a1ii when it comes to price and sheer resolution. For me, if the price didn't matter I would accept the resolution hit and take the a1ii. Other people might be more concerned with resolution more than anything else, and will choose accordingly.

"It's good to have choices."— Tony Soprano
 

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