If only Fuji had come up with something like this.

[SRT201]

Didn't realize the NEX was using BSI sensors. I have yet to see an example of high IQ with a BSI sensor.

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[Adam-T]

Sorry Adam, but you don't know your own camera too well. It does use trickery.

I dont know how because Oly didn't support distortion control with the lens when I got it at launch and the software I used at first didn't even support the EP1 (Capture One V4), I had to hack the program to make it think the cam was an E30 - I don't shoot JPG with it so have been only seeing the lens as its true form and it's still a performer (this is what I was going by, as I say, I don't shoot JPG) - I'm still not sure C1 V5 suppports Auto Distortion and CA control with the EP1 and Panny lenses - I've Never seen RAW developer ..

I can see APSC outgunning m4/3s when the lenses get sorted

I'm sure it will, but that means when Pentax or Nikon make one no doubt. We've seen Sony's attempt at a 24mm equiv prime and from that sample, it stinks.

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[Adam-T]

The biggest ones being more NR control for the jpeg shooters and to slim down the raws files (25mb)

Wow, It amazes me how slowly companies took to get into compressing RAW files - Oly's first RAW-compressing cam was the E510 (the E400 and previous was uncompressed), Nikon had trouble with it prior to the D70 (the D100 wrote uncompressed RAWs faster because the CPU was slower than a Mac Classic) most compacts produced uncompressed RAWs up til very recently .. it makes me laugh because canon have been doing it since the dawn of Digital (10 years - the D30 / G1) , The 2001 G2 onwards also buffered RAW, another thing which compact makers STILL are lame at taking on board .

I wish Phase one would get their act together over samsungs, Iall they have to do is add a simple flag to map them to the relevant Pentax with the same sensor , and it is usually as simple as that, as I said, I got the EP1 to work by telling it was an E30)

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[Stephen 06]

Wow, It amazes me how slowly companies took to get into compressing RAW files - Oly's first RAW-compressing cam was the E510 (the E400 and previous was uncompressed), Nikon had trouble with it prior to the D70 (the D100 wrote uncompressed RAWs faster because the CPU was slower than a Mac Classic) most compacts produced uncompressed RAWs up til very recently .. it makes me laugh because canon have been doing it since the dawn of Digital (10 years - the D30 / G1) , The 2001 G2 onwards also buffered RAW, another thing which compact makers STILL are lame at taking on board .

And the two crazy things about it is that if you convert the file to DNG with adobe, the file is what it should be...about 12mb!!

And the second crazy thing is that they were already using DNG on their DSLRs and dropped it for this SRW rubbish. Dunno who was the brainchild behing that one, but he needs a belt with a stocking of sh*t.

People think it is a slow raw writer...it's actually not. It takes about 3-4 seconds write time for the 25mb file. I reckon if the files were about 12mb that it would be more like 1.5-2 seconds....which is about the norm.

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[bushi]

first, you'd need to have EXR sensor of the size of 4/3, and secondly, I am not sure if the sensor itself is not a part of the deal in that system, too.

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[Stephen 06]

I dont know how because Oly didn't support distortion control with the lens when I got it at launch and the software I used at first didn't even support the EP1 (Capture One V4), I had to hack the program to make it think the cam was an E30 - I don't shoot JPG with it so have been only seeing the lens as its true form and it's still a performer (this is what I was going by, as I say, I don't shoot JPG) - I'm still not sure C1 V5 suppports Auto Distortion and CA control with the EP1 and Panny lenses -

LR will give the same result as the jpeg too. They were forced into Auto correction by Panny around the time of the GF1 launch and it seems to have spilt over to the EP1 as a result. Oly must have done so too on later firmware for the lens.

I've Never seen RAW developer ..

Cheap, fast, more than basic. Downside is that their are no distortion correction tools and red-eye fix tools. It is also a Mac only program.

Upsides are that this guy is on the ball and usually have all the latest cameras supported even before Adobe which is why I have it on tap if I buy the latest and greatest camera. Also, I have been getting free upgrades for the last five years!! So it costs me nothing and gets me out of a hole from time to time. Also, for the none straight line horizion stuff, it makes you wide angle....wide!! Your 24mm on a LX3 is 24mm and not about 25-26mm after being corrected and cropped.

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[Adam-T]

It is also a Mac only program.

Now that IS a downside no wonder I've not seen it .. there's RAWtherapee which is free, full featured but is sloooo and painful to use , turns a Quad core into a 286

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[Adam-T]

And the two crazy things about it is that if you convert the file to DNG with adobe, the file is what it should be...about 12mb!!

that's Adobe compressing the DNG, Like Sammy should in-camera .. that's why with Pentax cameras I always shot PEF (compressed native Pentax RAW format), the DNGs even weren't 24Mb though

And the second crazy thing is that they were already using DNG on their DSLRs and dropped it for this SRW rubbish.

Dunno, maybe because the DNGs were Sammy dedicated ones and got confusing as they still needed converters with Samsung compatible algorithms in , Sammy DNGs never worked in C1 etc, only the Pentax PEFs - if they call them SRW , there's no compatibility confusion, a converter either supports them or not..

People think it is a slow raw writer...it's actually not. It takes about 3-4 seconds write time for the 25mb file. I reckon if the files were about 12mb that it would be more like 1.5-2 seconds....which is about the norm.

Agreed - not as fast as a 1DS MK3 or D3X which write the same size files in a second or less (from 21 & 25mP sensors I may add) but Samsung are hardly a the leading edge of photography even if they're up there in general electronics .

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[Adam-T]

Didn't realize the NEX was using BSI sensors. I have yet to see an example of high IQ with a BSI sensor.

they're not BSI (thankfully) , it's just an evolution of the D90/D300/KX sensor with 14Mp instead of 12Mp.. we've not seen how the camera really does , only seen the greasy Sony JPG engine - it'll be miles better in RAW once Capture One etc support it.

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[SHood]

Maybe their higher end model will resolve some of these issues. These are exciting time.

http://k-rumors.com/k3-samsung-new-sensor-spotted/

What’s new? -> 14.2mp, A/D Converter on-chip, 8 output channels, 10fps and 1080 video support.

The K20D/GX20/K7 sensor has 14.6mp, no A/D converter on-chip, only 4 channels, 3fps and support just 720 video.

I have it and while it's a surprisingly nice cam to use, but they need to sort out some issues. The biggest ones being more NR control for the jpeg shooters and to slim down the raws files (25mb) so it will write faster to the card for raw shooters like me. But it one of those type of cams that just fits like a glove like Nikons do with me.

 

[danny_only]

Danny ~ sorry for the confusion... What ever mount Sony is using on this new little camera, is also the mount they are going to use on the HD video cams with interchangeble lenses. I have always wished for a consumer HD video cam that I could put some fast lenses on.

I tried taking video with my 35mm f1.7 indoor. The DOF is stunning, but the AF is not fast enough. I need to upgrade the firmware.

Have you thought of getting the Samsung NX-10, all the Pentax lenses you have can be used? The SONY EVIL is more promising because of its feature sets and shorter sensor/flange distance, I think most of the lenses in the market can be mounted onto these 2 cameras.

BTW, I will register and start posting their next week.

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[danny_only]

At most 2nd ugliest camera ever. I had a Ricoh G4W, each time I took a picture, I had to put it back in the case immediately.

I am not kidding, I really felt it that way and did that several times especially when I saw people using their beautiful Canon and Panasonic DCs.

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[danny_only]

That Ricoh is a work of Art next to the Canon Pro90 (which looks like a Toy Raygun or at least one from a 1970s budget Sci-Fi series) and Pro70 which is just plain ugly .. I think Olympus take the biscuit for creating the most ugliest digital cameras though Samsung have had a few howlers . Sony haven't had any real Fugglywugglies (the R1 got closest) but a lot looked lke camcorders

Actaully, the G4W is not a bad camera for landscape (affordable too, US$200, I brought 4, 3 as gifts), not that many 28mm wide angle end DC back in those days. Some people did like the look and pictures taken with that camera, a group of lady employee of a local photo magazine (not official, though) selected it as the best portrait digital camera among several other cameras, I guess it was because of the pink cast when shooting people.

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[danny_only]

...I haven't touch this kind of stuff, so I can only judge by what I see, but it doesn't look very firm to hold/convenient to operate. That's my point.

You are right, even without the Tarmon, the E-P1 is not easy to hold (I tried my friend GF-1 and found it easy to hold steady), it was relatively heavy because of massive metal material being used and the hand grip design though beatiful but not too good in practical uses. So when a long lens like the Tarmon in the pic was installed, it was really difficult to hold, unless I have an EVF or external hand grip, too bad, E-P1 does not support external EVF.

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[JimmyDee]

At most 2nd ugliest camera ever. I had a Ricoh G4W, each time I took a picture, I had to put it back in the case immediately.

:-D

Could you please tell me how to include emoticons in your posting - it is a cool feature, but I can't seem to figure out.
Thanks.
:-D (ok, I got that one by copying you, but how about others)