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I started using GIMP a few months ago after I lost an Adobe Elements installation in a hard drive failure.

I decided that once I could work our how to do image rotation, image cropping, levels, scaling, sharpening, making borders and exporting to jpg, I would keep using it.

The menus took a little getting used to but it wasn't long before I could do all that and so I decided GIMP is now my editor of choice.

It won't load my Nikon RAW files directly so I am using Faststone Image viewer to convert my RAWs into fine jpg before dragging them into GIMP.

I don't know how many other GIMP users there are on dpreview, but if there are some lets share experiences, tips and tricks.

GIMP, a great value image ediitor!

Mark_A
 
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I started using GIMP a few months ago after I lost an Adobe Elements installation in a hard drive failure.

I decided that once I could work our how to do image rotation, image cropping, levels, scaling, sharpening, making borders and exporting to jpg, I would keep using it.

The menus took a little getting used to but it wasn't long before I could do all that and so I decided GIMP is now my editor of choice.

It won't load my Nikon RAW files directly so I am using Faststone Image viewer to convert my RAWs into fine jpg before dragging them into GIMP.

I don't know how many other GIMP users there are on dpreview, but if there are some lets share experiences, tips and tricks.

GIMP, a great value image ediitor!
I have used GIMP since 2003 or 2004, maybe even version 1.2 or whatever was the last pre-2.0 version. GIMP has a ton of capability, but it also has some glaring weaknesses:

(1) very few of the operations are non-destructive, so if you want to go back and tweak an adjustment you made four steps earlier, at best it's a PITA and at worst it's impossible; and

(2) although GIMP relatively recently gained 16-bit operation, it still has substandard and nonstandard color management and related issues, so unless you're happy limiting yourself to GIMP's slightly-nonstandard version of sRGB, it has substantial issues.

For those reasons, for more heavy-duty pixel photo editing, I usually now use Affinity Photo 2.

However, GIMP remains something I use for certain purposes. Its abilities to easily and precisely crop and to place / move around various layers etc. makes it great tool for compositing and similar tasks. Building a collage or similar? GIMP is very good.

And of course, for some people, important points include that GIMP is free and will run on Linux.
 
It won't load my Nikon RAW files directly so I am using Faststone Image viewer to convert my RAWs into fine jpg before dragging them into GIMP.
If you wold like to edit your raw files ... Raw Therapee or Darktable will work well with Gimp.
Hi lacogada,

Yes thanks, I understand they are options for me. At the moment I am comfortable with my present way but I won't rule out giving them a try in the future.

Mark_A
 
Hi NAwlins Contrarian, thanks for your thoughtful post.
I have used GIMP since 2003 or 2004, maybe even version 1.2 or whatever was the last pre-2.0 version. GIMP has a ton of capability, but it also has some glaring weaknesses:

(1) very few of the operations are non-destructive, so if you want to go back and tweak an adjustment you made four steps earlier, at best it's a PITA and at worst it's impossible; and
I am using GIMP 2.10.38

That is certainly interesting, so far as detailed in my first post I am only doing fairly simple steps to get from a RAW to a print or web sized jpeg. What you say means I guess if I start doing more complicated editing I will have to watch out.
(2) although GIMP relatively recently gained 16-bit operation, it still has substandard and nonstandard color management and related issues, so unless you're happy limiting yourself to GIMP's slightly-nonstandard version of sRGB, it has substantial issues.
At the moment I am happy with my output using GIMP. I have a tendency to make my images a little punchier by use of levels, reality is less of a concern at the moment colour wise.
For those reasons, for more heavy-duty pixel photo editing, I usually now use Affinity Photo 2.
When I lost my adobe elements, on reinstalling windows on my last computer I tried to install Affinity but the computer was too old and slow, it wouldn't run. However GIMP ran on that old machine. Now I have a much faster machine which would almost certainly run Affinity but I have decided to work more with GIMP.
However, GIMP remains something I use for certain purposes. Its abilities to easily and precisely crop and to place / move around various layers etc. makes it great tool for compositing and similar tasks. Building a collage or similar? GIMP is very good.
Aha, good to know, thanks.
I am hoping to learn some new GIMP tips and tricks with this thread.

At the moment I find I am using unsharp mask to sharpen all of a pic before exporting to jpeg - I notice there is also a sharpen command which I think I might prefer to USM, but I can't work out how best to use it. I would probably like to select the key subject with a blurry selection and then just sharpen that bit of the image. Is that easy to do?

Mark_A
 
Hello, here's three quick tips:

1. Find a program that lets you adjust the raw file before exporting the JPG (or TIFF if you don't want to lose image quality). Raw Therapee and Darktable are great options with many features. UFRaw is a simple program that can run as a plug-in on GIMP: https://ufraw.sourceforge.net/index.html

2. I'm all in favor of talking about GIMP on DPR. But don't overlook other sites that cover GIMP including:

PIXLS.US about free and open-source photography: check out the blog and articles as well as the forum: https://discuss.pixls.us/

GIMP Chat: http://gimpchat.com/


Davies Media for tutorials and news: https://daviesmediadesign.com/

3. Ignore the nay-sayers. GIMP can do anything Photoshop does. It's just that you'll be driving a manual transmission instead of an automatic. Which takes longer to learn and you have to pay attention to what you're doing... but a lot of us think it's more fun ;-)
 
Tutorial for USM and also how to use the High-pass filter: https://www.mora-foto.it/en/tutorials-gimp/increase-sharpness-sharpen-photo.html

There are many ways to select a subject. I usually find it easiest to duplicate the image layer, sharpen the top layer, apply a black layer mask, and paint the mask where I want the sharpening to be seen. This gives me the most control over where (and how much) sharpening to apply.

Do you have the G'MIC plug-in? It has so many sharpening methods to explore when you have the time and inclination.
 
I've dabbled in darktable, rawtherapee and gimp. Ive used it for a few things including gmic but i now default to affinity photo.

If you havnt tried gmic, definitely check that out https://gmic.eu/

Now ive nothing against gimp for the odd photo or a special purpose but i would rather quit photography if i had to use it on all photos. Its just not optimised for processing 100s of photos after a day out. (neither is affinity photo)
 
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Tutorial for USM and also how to use the High-pass filter: https://www.mora-foto.it/en/tutorials-gimp/increase-sharpness-sharpen-photo.html

There are many ways to select a subject. I usually find it easiest to duplicate the image layer, sharpen the top layer, apply a black layer mask, and paint the mask where I want the sharpening to be seen. This gives me the most control over where (and how much) sharpening to apply.

Do you have the G'MIC plug-in? It has so many sharpening methods to explore when you have the time and inclination.
Hi Acmespaceship,

That sounds good, I am not very experienced with layers (never really used them) so I will have to have a play and learn how. But I know that I don't really want to sharpen the whole image which I have been doing with USM.

Will have a look at the tutorial. Thanks for that.

With my GIMP there seem two ways of sharpening, USM and sharpen. So far I have only been using USM across the whole image. For some reason I haven't yet got "sharpen" to do what I expect.

First I have heard of the G'MIC plug-in, but just the sort of thing I am hoping thjis thread will unearth.

Mark_A
 
Hello, here's three quick tips:

1. Find a program that lets you adjust the raw file before exporting the JPG (or TIFF if you don't want to lose image quality). Raw Therapee and Darktable are great options with many features. UFRaw is a simple program that can run as a plug-in on GIMP: https://ufraw.sourceforge.net/index.html

2. I'm all in favor of talking about GIMP on DPR. But don't overlook other sites that cover GIMP including:

PIXLS.US about free and open-source photography: check out the blog and articles as well as the forum: https://discuss.pixls.us/

GIMP Chat: http://gimpchat.com/

https://www.gimp-forum.net/index.php

Davies Media for tutorials and news: https://daviesmediadesign.com/

3. Ignore the nay-sayers. GIMP can do anything Photoshop does. It's just that you'll be driving a manual transmission instead of an automatic. Which takes longer to learn and you have to pay attention to what you're doing... but a lot of us think it's more fun ;-)
Hi again Acmespaceship,

Those look like potentially great resources. Thank you. I wasn't aware of them.

I have no clue how many dpreview users use GIMP but it seems like a good program to me and I can't imagine paying to be locked into lightroom or something when GIMP is available as a free download.

It can do everything I used to do in elements, and a lot lot more.

Your point 1, I know I have to do that at some point to get max quality. Don't really want too much unknown at the moment but I will get there at some point.

I leave all my RAW files intact and just output large jpgs for print and small ones for web. I can always revisit my RAWs later if needs be.

Mark_A
 
Hi NAwlins Contrarian, thanks for your thoughtful post.
You're welcome, and glad you think it so.
I have used GIMP since 2003 or 2004, maybe even version 1.2 or whatever was the last pre-2.0 version. GIMP has a ton of capability, but it also has some glaring weaknesses:

(1) very few of the operations are non-destructive, so if you want to go back and tweak an adjustment you made four steps earlier, at best it's a PITA and at worst it's impossible; and
I am using GIMP 2.10.38

That is certainly interesting, so far as detailed in my first post I am only doing fairly simple steps to get from a RAW to a print or web sized jpeg. What you say means I guess if I start doing more complicated editing I will have to watch out.
As raw converters have gained more and better capability to do some of the things I used to do in pixel editors, and (at least in the raw converters I use) non-destructively at that, I use pixel editors less and less, especially for "fairly simple steps to get from a RAW to a print or web sized jpeg". Indeed, have you checked whether you can perform those operations in the raw converter, and if you can, then why would you use two pieces of software (raw converter + GIMP) to perform what one (raw converter alone) can do? That's not to say that GIMP (or Affinity Photo or whatever) offers no advantages for some of those operations, but fewer and less over time.

The more complicated editing where with GIMP you have to watch out becomes an issue where your edit is e.g. eight operations and you may want to create different versions. If you decided to modify something you did three steps ago, in most cases your only option is to perform multiple undos, redo the step as modified, then redo the subsequent operations. There are limited undo levels / memory for them, and sometimes redoing the subsequent steps is laborious and/or difficult. The great thing about a largely non-destructive editor like Affinity Photo is that it's quick and easy to go back to something you did ten steps ago and modify it, remove it, or temporarily disable it. With GIMP that works fine for text layers, otherwise not so much.
(2) although GIMP relatively recently gained 16-bit operation, it still has substandard and nonstandard color management and related issues, so unless you're happy limiting yourself to GIMP's slightly-nonstandard version of sRGB, it has substantial issues.
At the moment I am happy with my output using GIMP. I have a tendency to make my images a little punchier by use of levels, reality is less of a concern at the moment colour wise.
You'd probably get as good or better results doing that sort of global parametric edit in your raw converter.
However, GIMP remains something I use for certain purposes. Its abilities to easily and precisely crop and to place / move around various layers etc. makes it great tool for compositing and similar tasks. Building a collage or similar? GIMP is very good.
Aha, good to know, thanks.

I am hoping to learn some new GIMP tips and tricks with this thread.
My main tips, related to the limitations I raised above, are to think carefully about what order of edits will provide the maximum flexibility to produce changed or alternate versions with the minimum of undos or whatever.

And toward that end, you can save intermediate versions along the way, e.g., perform three basic edits, save as an XCF, perform three more edits (like crop, resize, and sharpen for a specific output size and use) and export those as a JPEG or TIFF but don't save over the XCF at that point (at most, save as a different XCF). Then you can easily go back to the first-saved XCF and start with the three basic steps done and only the three final steps to go to produce a version for a different use.
At the moment I find I am using unsharp mask to sharpen all of a pic before exporting to jpeg - I notice there is also a sharpen command which I think I might prefer to USM, but I can't work out how best to use it. I would probably like to select the key subject with a blurry selection and then just sharpen that bit of the image. Is that easy to do?
GIMP's multiple alternative methods and algorithms to resize / resample and sharpen or blur are one of its stronger points (even if they are not as sophisticated as Topaz's or even Adobe's). You can of course use the selection tools to select only part of the image and sharpen (or blur) it, but that selection process is for most purposes rather crude. As someone else said, if you want to e.g. selectively sharpen the main subject without affecting the rest, make a 'sharp layer' and then paint on a layer mask with varying area and opacity to bring out that sharpness only where you want it.
 
Hi NAwlins Contrarian, thanks for your thoughtful post.
You're welcome, and glad you think it so.
I have used GIMP since 2003 or 2004, maybe even version 1.2 or whatever was the last pre-2.0 version. GIMP has a ton of capability, but it also has some glaring weaknesses:

(1) very few of the operations are non-destructive, so if you want to go back and tweak an adjustment you made four steps earlier, at best it's a PITA and at worst it's impossible; and
I am using GIMP 2.10.38

That is certainly interesting, so far as detailed in my first post I am only doing fairly simple steps to get from a RAW to a print or web sized jpeg. What you say means I guess if I start doing more complicated editing I will have to watch out.
As raw converters have gained more and better capability to do some of the things I used to do in pixel editors, and (at least in the raw converters I use) non-destructively at that, I use pixel editors less and less, especially for "fairly simple steps to get from a RAW to a print or web sized jpeg". Indeed, have you checked whether you can perform those operations in the raw converter, and if you can, then why would you use two pieces of software (raw converter + GIMP) to perform what one (raw converter alone) can do? That's not to say that GIMP (or Affinity Photo or whatever) offers no advantages for some of those operations, but fewer and less over time.

The more complicated editing where with GIMP you have to watch out becomes an issue where your edit is e.g. eight operations and you may want to create different versions. If you decided to modify something you did three steps ago, in most cases your only option is to perform multiple undos, redo the step as modified, then redo the subsequent operations. There are limited undo levels / memory for them, and sometimes redoing the subsequent steps is laborious and/or difficult. The great thing about a largely non-destructive editor like Affinity Photo is that it's quick and easy to go back to something you did ten steps ago and modify it, remove it, or temporarily disable it. With GIMP that works fine for text layers, otherwise not so much.
This is a major concern for me and ranks very high on my priority list. If possible I want my raw workflow to be 100% non-destructive. For that reason I would not go anywhere near GIMP as it is the champ among raster editors for destructive editing.

Affinity Photo is better in that regard but is still a destructive raster editor and can not provided a 100% non-destructive raw workflow.

The FOOS software option that is 100% non-destructive and provides a rich toolset that in most cases allows for a single app solution is DarkTable.
(2) although GIMP relatively recently gained 16-bit operation, it still has substandard and nonstandard color management and related issues, so unless you're happy limiting yourself to GIMP's slightly-nonstandard version of sRGB, it has substantial issues.
At the moment I am happy with my output using GIMP. I have a tendency to make my images a little punchier by use of levels, reality is less of a concern at the moment colour wise.
You'd probably get as good or better results doing that sort of global parametric edit in your raw converter.
However, GIMP remains something I use for certain purposes. Its abilities to easily and precisely crop and to place / move around various layers etc. makes it great tool for compositing and similar tasks. Building a collage or similar? GIMP is very good.
Aha, good to know, thanks.

I am hoping to learn some new GIMP tips and tricks with this thread.
My main tips, related to the limitations I raised above, are to think carefully about what order of edits will provide the maximum flexibility to produce changed or alternate versions with the minimum of undos or whatever.

And toward that end, you can save intermediate versions along the way, e.g., perform three basic edits, save as an XCF, perform three more edits (like crop, resize, and sharpen for a specific output size and use) and export those as a JPEG or TIFF but don't save over the XCF at that point (at most, save as a different XCF). Then you can easily go back to the first-saved XCF and start with the three basic steps done and only the three final steps to go to produce a version for a different use.
At the moment I find I am using unsharp mask to sharpen all of a pic before exporting to jpeg - I notice there is also a sharpen command which I think I might prefer to USM, but I can't work out how best to use it. I would probably like to select the key subject with a blurry selection and then just sharpen that bit of the image. Is that easy to do?
GIMP's multiple alternative methods and algorithms to resize / resample and sharpen or blur are one of its stronger points (even if they are not as sophisticated as Topaz's or even Adobe's). You can of course use the selection tools to select only part of the image and sharpen (or blur) it, but that selection process is for most purposes rather crude. As someone else said, if you want to e.g. selectively sharpen the main subject without affecting the rest, make a 'sharp layer' and then paint on a layer mask with varying area and opacity to bring out that sharpness only where you want it.
 
One of the enormous shortcomings of GIMP at least on the Windows version is printing.

It's pretty much impossible to print effectively.

Typically I save the image to a PDF and print that.

The Linux version is much better.

I've used To IMP extensively for over 5 years. Other than printing it does what I need.

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Chris
 
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One of the enormous shortcomings of GIMP at least on the Windows version is printing.

It's pretty much impossible to print effectively.
I agree.
Typically I save the image to a PDF and print that.
Probably makes color management at best tricky, no?
The Linux version is much better.
IIRC both the Mac OS and the Linux versions use CUPS for printing, but Windows does not have CUPS so the only GIMP printing options are crude and buggy.
 
The more complicated editing where with GIMP you have to watch out becomes an issue where your edit is e.g. eight operations and you may want to create different versions. If you decided to modify something you did three steps ago, in most cases your only option is to perform multiple undos, redo the step as modified, then redo the subsequent operations. There are limited undo levels / memory for them, and sometimes redoing the subsequent steps is laborious and/or difficult. The great thing about a largely non-destructive editor like Affinity Photo is that it's quick and easy to go back to something you did ten steps ago and modify it, remove it, or temporarily disable it. With GIMP that works fine for text layers, otherwise not so much.
This is a major concern for me and ranks very high on my priority list. If possible I want my raw workflow to be 100% non-destructive. For that reason I would not go anywhere near GIMP as it is the champ among raster editors for destructive editing.

Affinity Photo is better in that regard but is still a destructive raster editor and can not provided a 100% non-destructive raw workflow.
Of the workflows and tools I have used with Affinity Photo, the only thing I found to be other than totally parametric and non-destructive was cloning in Affinity Photo 1 (I have not tried cloning in Affinity Photo 2). Otherwise, everything I've done used tools like adjustment layers and live filter layers. At least in many cases it may simply be a matter of using the non-destructive version of the tool, e.g. instead of Filter -> Blur -> Diffuse Glow..., use Layer -> New Live Filter Layer -> Blur -> Diffuse Glow....
The FOOS software option that is 100% non-destructive and provides a rich toolset that in most cases allows for a single app solution is DarkTable.
But does it have anything approaching the range of pixel-editing-type tools that Affinity Photo and GIMP have?
 
Been using GIMP consistently since 2002; lots of changes over the years. Highly recommend installing G'MIC for GIMP as well since it takes GIMP to a whole new level (i.e,, makes GIMP act like it's on steroids and, in many respects, superior to PS but that's my bias showing; lol). Other recommended GIMP plugins are Mathmap, Resynthesizer. Also, recommend Darktable since it integrates with GIMP quite nicely.

Only drawback with GIMP is it's a lossy editor (no adjustment layers) but supposedly, GIMP 3.X will allow self documented edit (i.e, lossless editing like PS). Personally, a gonzo editor myself so don't really care about self-documented editing. :)
 
As raw converters have gained more and better capability to do some of the things I used to do in pixel editors, and (at least in the raw converters I use) non-destructively at that, I use pixel editors less and less, especially for "fairly simple steps to get from a RAW to a print or web sized jpeg". Indeed, have you checked whether you can perform those operations in the raw converter, and if you can, then why would you use two pieces of software (raw converter + GIMP) to perform what one (raw converter alone) can do? That's not to say that GIMP (or Affinity Photo or whatever) offers no advantages for some of those operations, but fewer and less over time.
At the moment I don't have a raw converter. I shoot raw for future proofing but I just convert my raw images to fine jpg to drag into GIMP. I will find some time to look at raw converters though, just have to find some time.
The more complicated editing where with GIMP you have to watch out becomes an issue where your edit is e.g. eight operations and you may want to create different versions. If you decided to modify something you did three steps ago, in most cases your only option is to perform multiple undos, redo the step as modified, then redo the subsequent operations. There are limited undo levels / memory for them, and sometimes redoing the subsequent steps is laborious and/or difficult.
Point taken, perhaps in V3 they might look at that.
You'd probably get as good or better results doing that sort of global parametric edit in your raw converter.
See earlier comment re raw converter :)
My main tips, related to the limitations I raised above, are to think carefully about what order of edits will provide the maximum flexibility to produce changed or alternate versions with the minimum of undos or whatever.
When I know I will want a print & web image then I go : raw to fine jpg, GIMP, crop, levels, USM, border export as 90% jpeg, export to filename ending in p for print. Then to make a web version of the same image I go undo border, undo USM, scale to 1,000px on long side USM, border export to 70% jpg save with w at end of filename. Done.
And toward that end, you can save intermediate versions along the way, e.g., perform three basic edits, save as an XCF, perform three more edits (like crop, resize, and sharpen for a specific output size and use) and export those as a JPEG or TIFF but don't save over the XCF at that point (at most, save as a different XCF). Then you can easily go back to the first-saved XCF and start with the three basic steps done and only the three final steps to go to produce a version for a different use.
At the moment I don't ever save in GIMP own format, I tend to edit one image at a time, output them and then just clear the image in GIMP.
GIMP's multiple alternative methods and algorithms to resize / resample and sharpen or blur are one of its stronger points (even if they are not as sophisticated as Topaz's or even Adobe's). You can of course use the selection tools to select only part of the image and sharpen (or blur) it, but that selection process is for most purposes rather crude. As someone else said, if you want to e.g. selectively sharpen the main subject without affecting the rest, make a 'sharp layer' and then paint on a layer mask with varying area and opacity to bring out that sharpness only where you want it.
I need to spend a bit of time to learn more about layers! :)

Mark_A
 
One of the enormous shortcomings of GIMP at least on the Windows version is printing.

It's pretty much impossible to print effectively.

Typically I save the image to a PDF and print that.

The Linux version is much better.

I've used To IMP extensively for over 5 years. Other than printing it does what I need.
HI Chris,

I don't have a photo printer so I create a large print jpg file, pop it on a memory stick and take it to a high street photo printer.

But I don't print that often.

Mark_A
 
Been using GIMP consistently since 2002; lots of changes over the years. Highly recommend installing G'MIC for GIMP as well since it takes GIMP to a whole new level (i.e,, makes GIMP act like it's on steroids and, in many respects, superior to PS but that's my bias showing; lol). Other recommended GIMP plugins are Mathmap, Resynthesizer.
HI lylejk, Thanks for your post, what is G'MIC? And what does it do?
Also, recommend Darktable since it integrates with GIMP quite nicely.
I am probably going to have to try DarkTable, especially if it links up with GIMP well. What sort of changes do you do in DarkTable before getting to GIMP, or can DarkTable do most of what you want for your image?

Is DarkTable a free download like GIMP? and how closely does it link up with GIMP?
Only drawback with GIMP is it's a lossy editor (no adjustment layers)
Can you expand on this lylejk? When moving forward through various adjustments are you saying that I am losing detail?
but supposedly, GIMP 3.X will allow self documented edit (i.e, lossless editing like PS). Personally, a gonzo editor myself so don't really care about self-documented editing. :)
Mark_A
 
I normally convert raw to JPEG in Lightroom. Normally I am satisfied with that.

If I require more processing, I use GIMP because some of the things I want to do are very difficult in Photoshop, but easy in GIMP. That is because I like to use HSV colour for some processing and GIMP supports HSV quite well, but Photoshop does not.
 

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