I dunno why I cannot fix this (LR-PS colour problem)

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Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
 
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What OS?

(I'm think of the oddities present with Automatic Color Management in Windows 11.)
 
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Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
Are you using the Edit in Photoshop path or saving a file from LR and then loading a file into PS.

When you go to PS, do you go through Adobe Camera Raw first?

First step is to narrow down exactly the path you are using to help debug what is going wrong.

Having the file or a link to the file giving your trouble would be helpful too.

--
John Wheeler
Never give up. Never surrender. Galaxy Quest :)
 
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Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
Are you using the Edit in Photoshop path or saving a file from LR and then loading a file into PS.
Doesn't matter what I do. It does same. Edit in photoshop as smart object mostly. But same happens with edit in photoshop...
When you go to PS, do you go through Adobe Camera Raw first?
I import through LR, I don't want to change this as its simplier for me and this shouldnt be happening
First step is to narrow down exactly the path you are using to help debug what is going wrong.
Okay see above
Having the file or a link to the file giving your trouble would be helpful too.
I will try screenshoting tomorrow
 
Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
Are you using the Edit in Photoshop path or saving a file from LR and then loading a file into PS.
Doesn't matter what I do. It does same. Edit in photoshop as smart object mostly. But same happens with edit in photoshop...
When you go to PS, do you go through Adobe Camera Raw first?
I import through LR, I don't want to change this as its simplier for me and this shouldnt be happening
First step is to narrow down exactly the path you are using to help debug what is going wrong.
Okay see above
Having the file or a link to the file giving your trouble would be helpful too.
I will try screenshoting tomorrow
I have had some troubles in the past as well, and there are several ways that you can end up with a mismatch.

1) Both LR and PS have separate ACRs. Both versions must match. You can check the version of Lightroom under the "About Lightroom Classic " command. You can find the version in Photoshop under Settings > Camera Raw

2) In association with having the same version, you want to make sure that in Lightroom Preferences/Settings, you "Reset All Warning Dialog" at the bottom of the Preferences/Settings > General page. The reason this is important is if there were a mismatch in ACR versions, it could process the Lightroom image in PS's ACR which has its own color space settings. You normally have a warning about this when doing an "Edit in PS" command, yet if the "Don't show this dialog again" then you don't see the warning . That is a sneak path for having the wrong color space attached to your image.

3) Make sure that the Preferences for External Editing are set as you said to ProPhoto RGB as in this image:



5bc97e43f1c94947ad2243a4ee67ee4b.jpg



Then, on the Photoshop side, make sure the Edit > Color Settings are set as below. I circled in red the important ones. Using these settings this way should smoothly move from ProPhoto RGB in LR to ProPhoto RGB in PS, assuming the images are tagged right from LR. If they are not tagged right, these color settings will warn you that there is a mismatch and that would help in the debugging. Also, you want to make sure the "Desaturate Monitor Colors By" was not accidentally turned on.



229efdd4e8924e94a6878c268b58941d.jpg



If, after all of these steps, you still have a color mismatch, the issue may be above my pay grade.

Hope these suggestions are helpful.

John Wheeler

--
John Wheeler
Never give up. Never surrender. Galaxy Quest :)t
 
Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
Are you using the Edit in Photoshop path or saving a file from LR and then loading a file into PS.
Doesn't matter what I do. It does same. Edit in photoshop as smart object mostly. But same happens with edit in photoshop...
When you go to PS, do you go through Adobe Camera Raw first?
I import through LR, I don't want to change this as its simplier for me and this shouldnt be happening
First step is to narrow down exactly the path you are using to help debug what is going wrong.
Okay see above
Having the file or a link to the file giving your trouble would be helpful too.
I will try screenshoting tomorrow
I have had some troubles in the past as well, and there are several ways that you can end up with a mismatch.

1) Both LR and PS have separate ACRs. Both versions must match. You can check the version of Lightroom under the "About Lightroom Classic " command. You can find the version in Photoshop under Settings > Camera Raw

2) In association with having the same version, you want to make sure that in Lightroom Preferences/Settings, you "Reset All Warning Dialog" at the bottom of the Preferences/Settings > General page. The reason this is important is if there were a mismatch in ACR versions, it could process the Lightroom image in PS's ACR which has its own color space settings. You normally have a warning about this when doing an "Edit in PS" command, yet if the "Don't show this dialog again" then you don't see the warning . That is a sneak path for having the wrong color space attached to your image.

3) Make sure that the Preferences for External Editing are set as you said to ProPhoto RGB as in this image:

5bc97e43f1c94947ad2243a4ee67ee4b.jpg

Then, on the Photoshop side, make sure the Edit > Color Settings are set as below. I circled in red the important ones. Using these settings this way should smoothly move from ProPhoto RGB in LR to ProPhoto RGB in PS, assuming the images are tagged right from LR. If they are not tagged right, these color settings will warn you that there is a mismatch and that would help in the debugging. Also, you want to make sure the "Desaturate Monitor Colors By" was not accidentally turned on.

229efdd4e8924e94a6878c268b58941d.jpg

If, after all of these steps, you still have a color mismatch, the issue may be above my pay grade.

Hope these suggestions are helpful.

John Wheeler
John thanks for taking the time. I'll confirm all this evening and see if it is this.
 
Post examples of your problem.
 
Maybe you have soft-proofing on in PS?

Keyboard shortcut CTRL-Y, or in your View - Proof colors menu.
 
Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
Are you using the Edit in Photoshop path or saving a file from LR and then loading a file into PS.
Doesn't matter what I do. It does same. Edit in photoshop as smart object mostly. But same happens with edit in photoshop...
When you go to PS, do you go through Adobe Camera Raw first?
I import through LR, I don't want to change this as its simplier for me and this shouldnt be happening
First step is to narrow down exactly the path you are using to help debug what is going wrong.
Okay see above
Having the file or a link to the file giving your trouble would be helpful too.
I will try screenshoting tomorrow
I have had some troubles in the past as well, and there are several ways that you can end up with a mismatch.

1) Both LR and PS have separate ACRs. Both versions must match. You can check the version of Lightroom under the "About Lightroom Classic " command. You can find the version in Photoshop under Settings > Camera Raw

2) In association with having the same version, you want to make sure that in Lightroom Preferences/Settings, you "Reset All Warning Dialog" at the bottom of the Preferences/Settings > General page. The reason this is important is if there were a mismatch in ACR versions, it could process the Lightroom image in PS's ACR which has its own color space settings. You normally have a warning about this when doing an "Edit in PS" command, yet if the "Don't show this dialog again" then you don't see the warning . That is a sneak path for having the wrong color space attached to your image.

3) Make sure that the Preferences for External Editing are set as you said to ProPhoto RGB as in this image:

5bc97e43f1c94947ad2243a4ee67ee4b.jpg

Then, on the Photoshop side, make sure the Edit > Color Settings are set as below. I circled in red the important ones. Using these settings this way should smoothly move from ProPhoto RGB in LR to ProPhoto RGB in PS, assuming the images are tagged right from LR. If they are not tagged right, these color settings will warn you that there is a mismatch and that would help in the debugging. Also, you want to make sure the "Desaturate Monitor Colors By" was not accidentally turned on.

229efdd4e8924e94a6878c268b58941d.jpg

If, after all of these steps, you still have a color mismatch, the issue may be above my pay grade.

Hope these suggestions are helpful.

John Wheeler
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions

I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet
I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet

Even on the new suggestion, I am still getting this weird problem. Now see below:

LR colour - good
LR colour - good

PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)
PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)

If you look closely at the PS version, there are also coloured rings not present in the LR version as well as the strange green cast.
 
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Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
Are you using the Edit in Photoshop path or saving a file from LR and then loading a file into PS.
Doesn't matter what I do. It does same. Edit in photoshop as smart object mostly. But same happens with edit in photoshop...
When you go to PS, do you go through Adobe Camera Raw first?
I import through LR, I don't want to change this as its simplier for me and this shouldnt be happening
First step is to narrow down exactly the path you are using to help debug what is going wrong.
Okay see above
Having the file or a link to the file giving your trouble would be helpful too.
I will try screenshoting tomorrow
I have had some troubles in the past as well, and there are several ways that you can end up with a mismatch.

1) Both LR and PS have separate ACRs. Both versions must match. You can check the version of Lightroom under the "About Lightroom Classic " command. You can find the version in Photoshop under Settings > Camera Raw

2) In association with having the same version, you want to make sure that in Lightroom Preferences/Settings, you "Reset All Warning Dialog" at the bottom of the Preferences/Settings > General page. The reason this is important is if there were a mismatch in ACR versions, it could process the Lightroom image in PS's ACR which has its own color space settings. You normally have a warning about this when doing an "Edit in PS" command, yet if the "Don't show this dialog again" then you don't see the warning . That is a sneak path for having the wrong color space attached to your image.

3) Make sure that the Preferences for External Editing are set as you said to ProPhoto RGB as in this image:

5bc97e43f1c94947ad2243a4ee67ee4b.jpg

Then, on the Photoshop side, make sure the Edit > Color Settings are set as below. I circled in red the important ones. Using these settings this way should smoothly move from ProPhoto RGB in LR to ProPhoto RGB in PS, assuming the images are tagged right from LR. If they are not tagged right, these color settings will warn you that there is a mismatch and that would help in the debugging. Also, you want to make sure the "Desaturate Monitor Colors By" was not accidentally turned on.

229efdd4e8924e94a6878c268b58941d.jpg

If, after all of these steps, you still have a color mismatch, the issue may be above my pay grade.

Hope these suggestions are helpful.

John Wheeler
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions

I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet
I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet

Even on the new suggestion, I am still getting this weird problem. Now see below:

LR colour - good
LR colour - good

PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)
PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)

If you look closely at the PS version, there are also coloured rings not present in the LR version as well as the strange green cast.
Hi

@Primeshooter. from what I see, the LR and PS are closer in being the same than with your prior settings yet the resolution of your images is quite low and I cannot pick out the details your are describing.

I did some more research and I have a couple things to add.

1) Only view the images both at 100% magnification in LR and PS. This will eliminate any potential screen rendering issues.

2) I was making an assumption yet the OS needs to be using the same monitor profile for both LR an PS. I use a Mac and that is pretty much guaranteed yet I am not sure about Windows based OS So that would be worth checking

3) There were a couple setting I saw where they made a different recommendation than I had shared with you before. That is included below with the red being the consistent settings from before and the green are the ones that are different.



abf3b805edea40f88de394bb1370679c.jpg

I will go through those changes one by one.

1) Using 8-bit dither with 16-bit images and no change in color space between LR and PS, this setting should not make a difference. Yet if you were working with 8-bit images at some point, or changing color spaces, the dither option helps remove banding that might occur

2) Compensate for Source-referred profiles. That's a good one to leave off, but I didn't think such profiles were in play. It would be good to turn off just in case.

3) Turning off Blending RGB Colors Using Gamma. Since you were working with single Layers, this should not come into play yet, leaving it unchecked would be safer

4) Turn off Blend Text Colors Using Gamma. You didn't have text, so I thought it wouldn't be an issue, but it doesn't hurt to leave it off.

Might as well make those changes and see if it helps. Personally, viewing at 100% magnification may be all that is needed, yet using the updated settings would cover all bases.

I'm not sure that will solve your problem, but I am pretty sure this is the limit of my knowledge in debugging your issue.

Hope this helps.

John Wheeler



--
John Wheeler
Never give up. Never surrender. Galaxy Quest :)
 
Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
Are you using the Edit in Photoshop path or saving a file from LR and then loading a file into PS.
Doesn't matter what I do. It does same. Edit in photoshop as smart object mostly. But same happens with edit in photoshop...
When you go to PS, do you go through Adobe Camera Raw first?
I import through LR, I don't want to change this as its simplier for me and this shouldnt be happening
First step is to narrow down exactly the path you are using to help debug what is going wrong.
Okay see above
Having the file or a link to the file giving your trouble would be helpful too.
I will try screenshoting tomorrow
I have had some troubles in the past as well, and there are several ways that you can end up with a mismatch.

1) Both LR and PS have separate ACRs. Both versions must match. You can check the version of Lightroom under the "About Lightroom Classic " command. You can find the version in Photoshop under Settings > Camera Raw

2) In association with having the same version, you want to make sure that in Lightroom Preferences/Settings, you "Reset All Warning Dialog" at the bottom of the Preferences/Settings > General page. The reason this is important is if there were a mismatch in ACR versions, it could process the Lightroom image in PS's ACR which has its own color space settings. You normally have a warning about this when doing an "Edit in PS" command, yet if the "Don't show this dialog again" then you don't see the warning . That is a sneak path for having the wrong color space attached to your image.

3) Make sure that the Preferences for External Editing are set as you said to ProPhoto RGB as in this image:

5bc97e43f1c94947ad2243a4ee67ee4b.jpg

Then, on the Photoshop side, make sure the Edit > Color Settings are set as below. I circled in red the important ones. Using these settings this way should smoothly move from ProPhoto RGB in LR to ProPhoto RGB in PS, assuming the images are tagged right from LR. If they are not tagged right, these color settings will warn you that there is a mismatch and that would help in the debugging. Also, you want to make sure the "Desaturate Monitor Colors By" was not accidentally turned on.

229efdd4e8924e94a6878c268b58941d.jpg

If, after all of these steps, you still have a color mismatch, the issue may be above my pay grade.

Hope these suggestions are helpful.

John Wheeler
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions

I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet
I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet

Even on the new suggestion, I am still getting this weird problem. Now see below:

LR colour - good
LR colour - good

PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)
PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)

If you look closely at the PS version, there are also coloured rings not present in the LR version as well as the strange green cast.
Hi

@Primeshooter. from what I see, the LR and PS are closer in being the same than with your prior settings yet the resolution of your images is quite low and I cannot pick out the details your are describing.

I did some more research and I have a couple things to add.

1) Only view the images both at 100% magnification in LR and PS. This will eliminate any potential screen rendering issues.

2) I was making an assumption yet the OS needs to be using the same monitor profile for both LR an PS. I use a Mac and that is pretty much guaranteed yet I am not sure about Windows based OS So that would be worth checking

3) There were a couple setting I saw where they made a different recommendation than I had shared with you before. That is included below with the red being the consistent settings from before and the green are the ones that are different.

abf3b805edea40f88de394bb1370679c.jpg

I will go through those changes one by one.

1) Using 8-bit dither with 16-bit images and no change in color space between LR and PS, this setting should not make a difference. Yet if you were working with 8-bit images at some point, or changing color spaces, the dither option helps remove banding that might occur

2) Compensate for Source-referred profiles. That's a good one to leave off, but I didn't think such profiles were in play. It would be good to turn off just in case.

3) Turning off Blending RGB Colors Using Gamma. Since you were working with single Layers, this should not come into play yet, leaving it unchecked would be safer

4) Turn off Blend Text Colors Using Gamma. You didn't have text, so I thought it wouldn't be an issue, but it doesn't hurt to leave it off.

Might as well make those changes and see if it helps. Personally, viewing at 100% magnification may be all that is needed, yet using the updated settings would cover all bases.

I'm not sure that will solve your problem, but I am pretty sure this is the limit of my knowledge in debugging your issue.

Hope this helps.

John Wheeler
Hey John, once again thanks for all your help so far. So I did what you asked there, I think it looks right now. However most times I bring something from LR to PS it complains that the prophoto profile is embedded and that PS is on RBG2.1etc etc and do I want to convert it etc etc. Is this normal, i don't remember this.
 
Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
Are you using the Edit in Photoshop path or saving a file from LR and then loading a file into PS.
Doesn't matter what I do. It does same. Edit in photoshop as smart object mostly. But same happens with edit in photoshop...
When you go to PS, do you go through Adobe Camera Raw first?
I import through LR, I don't want to change this as its simplier for me and this shouldnt be happening
First step is to narrow down exactly the path you are using to help debug what is going wrong.
Okay see above
Having the file or a link to the file giving your trouble would be helpful too.
I will try screenshoting tomorrow
I have had some troubles in the past as well, and there are several ways that you can end up with a mismatch.

1) Both LR and PS have separate ACRs. Both versions must match. You can check the version of Lightroom under the "About Lightroom Classic " command. You can find the version in Photoshop under Settings > Camera Raw

2) In association with having the same version, you want to make sure that in Lightroom Preferences/Settings, you "Reset All Warning Dialog" at the bottom of the Preferences/Settings > General page. The reason this is important is if there were a mismatch in ACR versions, it could process the Lightroom image in PS's ACR which has its own color space settings. You normally have a warning about this when doing an "Edit in PS" command, yet if the "Don't show this dialog again" then you don't see the warning . That is a sneak path for having the wrong color space attached to your image.

3) Make sure that the Preferences for External Editing are set as you said to ProPhoto RGB as in this image:

5bc97e43f1c94947ad2243a4ee67ee4b.jpg

Then, on the Photoshop side, make sure the Edit > Color Settings are set as below. I circled in red the important ones. Using these settings this way should smoothly move from ProPhoto RGB in LR to ProPhoto RGB in PS, assuming the images are tagged right from LR. If they are not tagged right, these color settings will warn you that there is a mismatch and that would help in the debugging. Also, you want to make sure the "Desaturate Monitor Colors By" was not accidentally turned on.

229efdd4e8924e94a6878c268b58941d.jpg

If, after all of these steps, you still have a color mismatch, the issue may be above my pay grade.

Hope these suggestions are helpful.

John Wheeler
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions

I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet
I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet

Even on the new suggestion, I am still getting this weird problem. Now see below:

LR colour - good
LR colour - good

PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)
PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)

If you look closely at the PS version, there are also coloured rings not present in the LR version as well as the strange green cast.
Hi

@Primeshooter. from what I see, the LR and PS are closer in being the same than with your prior settings yet the resolution of your images is quite low and I cannot pick out the details your are describing.

I did some more research and I have a couple things to add.

1) Only view the images both at 100% magnification in LR and PS. This will eliminate any potential screen rendering issues.

2) I was making an assumption yet the OS needs to be using the same monitor profile for both LR an PS. I use a Mac and that is pretty much guaranteed yet I am not sure about Windows based OS So that would be worth checking

3) There were a couple setting I saw where they made a different recommendation than I had shared with you before. That is included below with the red being the consistent settings from before and the green are the ones that are different.

abf3b805edea40f88de394bb1370679c.jpg

I will go through those changes one by one.

1) Using 8-bit dither with 16-bit images and no change in color space between LR and PS, this setting should not make a difference. Yet if you were working with 8-bit images at some point, or changing color spaces, the dither option helps remove banding that might occur

2) Compensate for Source-referred profiles. That's a good one to leave off, but I didn't think such profiles were in play. It would be good to turn off just in case.

3) Turning off Blending RGB Colors Using Gamma. Since you were working with single Layers, this should not come into play yet, leaving it unchecked would be safer

4) Turn off Blend Text Colors Using Gamma. You didn't have text, so I thought it wouldn't be an issue, but it doesn't hurt to leave it off.

Might as well make those changes and see if it helps. Personally, viewing at 100% magnification may be all that is needed, yet using the updated settings would cover all bases.

I'm not sure that will solve your problem, but I am pretty sure this is the limit of my knowledge in debugging your issue.

Hope this helps.

John Wheeler
Hey John, once again thanks for all your help so far. So I did what you asked there, I think it looks right now. However most times I bring something from LR to PS it complains that the prophoto profile is embedded and that PS is on RBG2.1etc etc and do I want to convert it etc etc. Is this normal, i don't remember this.
Hi @primeshooter

Glad the colors are pretty much matched up.

The topic of the warnings coming up and what color space to use is two separate issues so will address them that way.

If you do not want the warnings to come up, then you just need to set the upper left setting in red (working space RGB) to the same color space as the incoming images. In your case, your incoming images are ProPhoto rgb so if you set the Working Space RGB setting to ProPhoto RGB then there is no mismatch and the warning will not come up per this image.

https://i.postimg.cc/jS7GXTZS/Color-Settings.jpg

Which color space to use has tradeoffs.

ProPhotoRGB has the widest color gamut yet best to use it with 16 bit images to avoid banding. Todays printers and displays cannot show all of the colors in ProPhoto RGB so it brings some challenge in post processing

sRGB is the industry common denominator standard (i.e.the most compatible with minimal issues) yet is also has the smallest color gamut

Adobe RGB and Display P3 are both intermediate gamuts between sRGB and ProPhoto RGB

Here is a link to articles about Color Management and a little ways down they have two topcis, one about Color Spaces, and the other about converting between color spaces. I suggest you read those for more detail.

https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/color-management-printing.htm

I hope this is helpful

John Wheeler

--
John Wheeler
Never give up. Never surrender. Galaxy Quest :)
 
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Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
Are you using the Edit in Photoshop path or saving a file from LR and then loading a file into PS.
Doesn't matter what I do. It does same. Edit in photoshop as smart object mostly. But same happens with edit in photoshop...
When you go to PS, do you go through Adobe Camera Raw first?
I import through LR, I don't want to change this as its simplier for me and this shouldnt be happening
First step is to narrow down exactly the path you are using to help debug what is going wrong.
Okay see above
Having the file or a link to the file giving your trouble would be helpful too.
I will try screenshoting tomorrow
I have had some troubles in the past as well, and there are several ways that you can end up with a mismatch.

1) Both LR and PS have separate ACRs. Both versions must match. You can check the version of Lightroom under the "About Lightroom Classic " command. You can find the version in Photoshop under Settings > Camera Raw

2) In association with having the same version, you want to make sure that in Lightroom Preferences/Settings, you "Reset All Warning Dialog" at the bottom of the Preferences/Settings > General page. The reason this is important is if there were a mismatch in ACR versions, it could process the Lightroom image in PS's ACR which has its own color space settings. You normally have a warning about this when doing an "Edit in PS" command, yet if the "Don't show this dialog again" then you don't see the warning . That is a sneak path for having the wrong color space attached to your image.

3) Make sure that the Preferences for External Editing are set as you said to ProPhoto RGB as in this image:

5bc97e43f1c94947ad2243a4ee67ee4b.jpg

Then, on the Photoshop side, make sure the Edit > Color Settings are set as below. I circled in red the important ones. Using these settings this way should smoothly move from ProPhoto RGB in LR to ProPhoto RGB in PS, assuming the images are tagged right from LR. If they are not tagged right, these color settings will warn you that there is a mismatch and that would help in the debugging. Also, you want to make sure the "Desaturate Monitor Colors By" was not accidentally turned on.

229efdd4e8924e94a6878c268b58941d.jpg

If, after all of these steps, you still have a color mismatch, the issue may be above my pay grade.

Hope these suggestions are helpful.

John Wheeler
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions

I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet
I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet

Even on the new suggestion, I am still getting this weird problem. Now see below:

LR colour - good
LR colour - good

PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)
PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)

If you look closely at the PS version, there are also coloured rings not present in the LR version as well as the strange green cast.
Hi

@Primeshooter. from what I see, the LR and PS are closer in being the same than with your prior settings yet the resolution of your images is quite low and I cannot pick out the details your are describing.

I did some more research and I have a couple things to add.

1) Only view the images both at 100% magnification in LR and PS. This will eliminate any potential screen rendering issues.

2) I was making an assumption yet the OS needs to be using the same monitor profile for both LR an PS. I use a Mac and that is pretty much guaranteed yet I am not sure about Windows based OS So that would be worth checking

3) There were a couple setting I saw where they made a different recommendation than I had shared with you before. That is included below with the red being the consistent settings from before and the green are the ones that are different.

abf3b805edea40f88de394bb1370679c.jpg

I will go through those changes one by one.

1) Using 8-bit dither with 16-bit images and no change in color space between LR and PS, this setting should not make a difference. Yet if you were working with 8-bit images at some point, or changing color spaces, the dither option helps remove banding that might occur

2) Compensate for Source-referred profiles. That's a good one to leave off, but I didn't think such profiles were in play. It would be good to turn off just in case.

3) Turning off Blending RGB Colors Using Gamma. Since you were working with single Layers, this should not come into play yet, leaving it unchecked would be safer

4) Turn off Blend Text Colors Using Gamma. You didn't have text, so I thought it wouldn't be an issue, but it doesn't hurt to leave it off.

Might as well make those changes and see if it helps. Personally, viewing at 100% magnification may be all that is needed, yet using the updated settings would cover all bases.

I'm not sure that will solve your problem, but I am pretty sure this is the limit of my knowledge in debugging your issue.

Hope this helps.

John Wheeler
Hey John, once again thanks for all your help so far. So I did what you asked there, I think it looks right now. However most times I bring something from LR to PS it complains that the prophoto profile is embedded and that PS is on RBG2.1etc etc and do I want to convert it etc etc. Is this normal, i don't remember this.
Hi @primeshooter

Glad the colors are pretty much matched up.

The topic of the warnings coming up and what color space to use is two separate issues so will address them that way.

If you do not want the warnings to come up, then you just need to set the upper left setting in red (working space RGB) to the same color space as the incoming images. In your case, your incoming images are ProPhoto rgb so if you set the Working Space RGB setting to ProPhoto RGB then there is no mismatch and the warning will not come up per this image.

https://i.postimg.cc/jS7GXTZS/Color-Settings.jpg

Which color space to use has tradeoffs.

ProPhotoRGB has the widest color gamut yet best to use it with 16 bit images to avoid banding. Todays printers and displays cannot show all of the colors in ProPhoto RGB so it brings some challenge in post processing

sRGB is the industry common denominator standard (i.e.the most compatible with minimal issues) yet is also has the smallest color gamut

Adobe RGB and Display P3 are both intermediate gamuts between sRGB and ProPhoto RGB

Here is a link to articles about Color Management and a little ways down they have two topcis, one about Color Spaces, and the other about converting between color spaces. I suggest you read those for more detail.

https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/color-management-printing.htm

I hope this is helpful

John Wheeler
Hi John, yes I am aware I can block those notifications from coming up, I should have explained better what I was getting at here. I am concerned about not editing in the biggest colour space. LR is fine (prophoto is good, and it's standard, so no problems there). However, in PS, using RGB 2.1 seems like I could encounter issues, especially during astro processing or complex lum masking that I contend with daily. So my question is, why are the colours off when I set PS to prophoto (the same space as LR)? I'm sure this is still happening, I can check tonight. Maybe i'll be wrong, but it was off before when I had them matching each other and everything was the same version camera raw, etc, both updated to latest versions. Thanks for the links, I have read both of these before actually.

NB I always edit in 16 bit in PS and LR.
 
Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
Are you using the Edit in Photoshop path or saving a file from LR and then loading a file into PS.
Doesn't matter what I do. It does same. Edit in photoshop as smart object mostly. But same happens with edit in photoshop...
When you go to PS, do you go through Adobe Camera Raw first?
I import through LR, I don't want to change this as its simplier for me and this shouldnt be happening
First step is to narrow down exactly the path you are using to help debug what is going wrong.
Okay see above
Having the file or a link to the file giving your trouble would be helpful too.
I will try screenshoting tomorrow
I have had some troubles in the past as well, and there are several ways that you can end up with a mismatch.

1) Both LR and PS have separate ACRs. Both versions must match. You can check the version of Lightroom under the "About Lightroom Classic " command. You can find the version in Photoshop under Settings > Camera Raw

2) In association with having the same version, you want to make sure that in Lightroom Preferences/Settings, you "Reset All Warning Dialog" at the bottom of the Preferences/Settings > General page. The reason this is important is if there were a mismatch in ACR versions, it could process the Lightroom image in PS's ACR which has its own color space settings. You normally have a warning about this when doing an "Edit in PS" command, yet if the "Don't show this dialog again" then you don't see the warning . That is a sneak path for having the wrong color space attached to your image.

3) Make sure that the Preferences for External Editing are set as you said to ProPhoto RGB as in this image:

5bc97e43f1c94947ad2243a4ee67ee4b.jpg

Then, on the Photoshop side, make sure the Edit > Color Settings are set as below. I circled in red the important ones. Using these settings this way should smoothly move from ProPhoto RGB in LR to ProPhoto RGB in PS, assuming the images are tagged right from LR. If they are not tagged right, these color settings will warn you that there is a mismatch and that would help in the debugging. Also, you want to make sure the "Desaturate Monitor Colors By" was not accidentally turned on.

229efdd4e8924e94a6878c268b58941d.jpg

If, after all of these steps, you still have a color mismatch, the issue may be above my pay grade.

Hope these suggestions are helpful.

John Wheeler
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions

I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet
I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet

Even on the new suggestion, I am still getting this weird problem. Now see below:

LR colour - good
LR colour - good

PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)
PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)

If you look closely at the PS version, there are also coloured rings not present in the LR version as well as the strange green cast.
Hi

@Primeshooter. from what I see, the LR and PS are closer in being the same than with your prior settings yet the resolution of your images is quite low and I cannot pick out the details your are describing.

I did some more research and I have a couple things to add.

1) Only view the images both at 100% magnification in LR and PS. This will eliminate any potential screen rendering issues.

2) I was making an assumption yet the OS needs to be using the same monitor profile for both LR an PS. I use a Mac and that is pretty much guaranteed yet I am not sure about Windows based OS So that would be worth checking

3) There were a couple setting I saw where they made a different recommendation than I had shared with you before. That is included below with the red being the consistent settings from before and the green are the ones that are different.

abf3b805edea40f88de394bb1370679c.jpg

I will go through those changes one by one.

1) Using 8-bit dither with 16-bit images and no change in color space between LR and PS, this setting should not make a difference. Yet if you were working with 8-bit images at some point, or changing color spaces, the dither option helps remove banding that might occur

2) Compensate for Source-referred profiles. That's a good one to leave off, but I didn't think such profiles were in play. It would be good to turn off just in case.

3) Turning off Blending RGB Colors Using Gamma. Since you were working with single Layers, this should not come into play yet, leaving it unchecked would be safer

4) Turn off Blend Text Colors Using Gamma. You didn't have text, so I thought it wouldn't be an issue, but it doesn't hurt to leave it off.

Might as well make those changes and see if it helps. Personally, viewing at 100% magnification may be all that is needed, yet using the updated settings would cover all bases.

I'm not sure that will solve your problem, but I am pretty sure this is the limit of my knowledge in debugging your issue.

Hope this helps.

John Wheeler
Hey John, once again thanks for all your help so far. So I did what you asked there, I think it looks right now. However most times I bring something from LR to PS it complains that the prophoto profile is embedded and that PS is on RBG2.1etc etc and do I want to convert it etc etc. Is this normal, i don't remember this.
Hi @primeshooter

Glad the colors are pretty much matched up.

The topic of the warnings coming up and what color space to use is two separate issues so will address them that way.

If you do not want the warnings to come up, then you just need to set the upper left setting in red (working space RGB) to the same color space as the incoming images. In your case, your incoming images are ProPhoto rgb so if you set the Working Space RGB setting to ProPhoto RGB then there is no mismatch and the warning will not come up per this image.

https://i.postimg.cc/jS7GXTZS/Color-Settings.jpg

Which color space to use has tradeoffs.

ProPhotoRGB has the widest color gamut yet best to use it with 16 bit images to avoid banding. Todays printers and displays cannot show all of the colors in ProPhoto RGB so it brings some challenge in post processing

sRGB is the industry common denominator standard (i.e.the most compatible with minimal issues) yet is also has the smallest color gamut

Adobe RGB and Display P3 are both intermediate gamuts between sRGB and ProPhoto RGB

Here is a link to articles about Color Management and a little ways down they have two topcis, one about Color Spaces, and the other about converting between color spaces. I suggest you read those for more detail.

https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/color-management-printing.htm

I hope this is helpful

John Wheeler
Hi John, yes I am aware I can block those notifications from coming up, I should have explained better what I was getting at here. I am concerned about not editing in the biggest colour space. LR is fine (prophoto is good, and it's standard, so no problems there). However, in PS, using RGB 2.1 seems like I could encounter issues, especially during astro processing or complex lum masking that I contend with daily. So my question is, why are the colours off when I set PS to prophoto (the same space as LR)? I'm sure this is still happening, I can check tonight. Maybe i'll be wrong, but it was off before when I had them matching each other and everything was the same version camera raw, etc, both updated to latest versions. Thanks for the links, I have read both of these before actually.

NB I always edit in 16 bit in PS and LR.
The fact that PS is now warning you that there's a color space mismatch (now that you've toggled that warning on in PS) tells you that your image when opened in PS is NOT matched to your PS working space. In your original post you said you "have LR in Prophoto and PS the same," but what does that really mean? You may be making a wrong assumption about your LR settings with respect to the images that you're working with in LR and then opening in PS. Check your LR Preferences>External Editing>Edit in Photoshop Color Space setting. That's the critical setting for determining what color space will be encoded with the image that's passed between LR and PS when you use the "Edit In" option to open the image in PS either as rasterized image or as a Smart Object.
 
Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
Are you using the Edit in Photoshop path or saving a file from LR and then loading a file into PS.
Doesn't matter what I do. It does same. Edit in photoshop as smart object mostly. But same happens with edit in photoshop...
When you go to PS, do you go through Adobe Camera Raw first?
I import through LR, I don't want to change this as its simplier for me and this shouldnt be happening
First step is to narrow down exactly the path you are using to help debug what is going wrong.
Okay see above
Having the file or a link to the file giving your trouble would be helpful too.
I will try screenshoting tomorrow
I have had some troubles in the past as well, and there are several ways that you can end up with a mismatch.

1) Both LR and PS have separate ACRs. Both versions must match. You can check the version of Lightroom under the "About Lightroom Classic " command. You can find the version in Photoshop under Settings > Camera Raw

2) In association with having the same version, you want to make sure that in Lightroom Preferences/Settings, you "Reset All Warning Dialog" at the bottom of the Preferences/Settings > General page. The reason this is important is if there were a mismatch in ACR versions, it could process the Lightroom image in PS's ACR which has its own color space settings. You normally have a warning about this when doing an "Edit in PS" command, yet if the "Don't show this dialog again" then you don't see the warning . That is a sneak path for having the wrong color space attached to your image.

3) Make sure that the Preferences for External Editing are set as you said to ProPhoto RGB as in this image:

5bc97e43f1c94947ad2243a4ee67ee4b.jpg

Then, on the Photoshop side, make sure the Edit > Color Settings are set as below. I circled in red the important ones. Using these settings this way should smoothly move from ProPhoto RGB in LR to ProPhoto RGB in PS, assuming the images are tagged right from LR. If they are not tagged right, these color settings will warn you that there is a mismatch and that would help in the debugging. Also, you want to make sure the "Desaturate Monitor Colors By" was not accidentally turned on.

229efdd4e8924e94a6878c268b58941d.jpg

If, after all of these steps, you still have a color mismatch, the issue may be above my pay grade.

Hope these suggestions are helpful.

John Wheeler
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions

I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet
I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet

Even on the new suggestion, I am still getting this weird problem. Now see below:

LR colour - good
LR colour - good

PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)
PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)

If you look closely at the PS version, there are also coloured rings not present in the LR version as well as the strange green cast.
Hi

@Primeshooter. from what I see, the LR and PS are closer in being the same than with your prior settings yet the resolution of your images is quite low and I cannot pick out the details your are describing.

I did some more research and I have a couple things to add.

1) Only view the images both at 100% magnification in LR and PS. This will eliminate any potential screen rendering issues.

2) I was making an assumption yet the OS needs to be using the same monitor profile for both LR an PS. I use a Mac and that is pretty much guaranteed yet I am not sure about Windows based OS So that would be worth checking

3) There were a couple setting I saw where they made a different recommendation than I had shared with you before. That is included below with the red being the consistent settings from before and the green are the ones that are different.

abf3b805edea40f88de394bb1370679c.jpg

I will go through those changes one by one.

1) Using 8-bit dither with 16-bit images and no change in color space between LR and PS, this setting should not make a difference. Yet if you were working with 8-bit images at some point, or changing color spaces, the dither option helps remove banding that might occur

2) Compensate for Source-referred profiles. That's a good one to leave off, but I didn't think such profiles were in play. It would be good to turn off just in case.

3) Turning off Blending RGB Colors Using Gamma. Since you were working with single Layers, this should not come into play yet, leaving it unchecked would be safer

4) Turn off Blend Text Colors Using Gamma. You didn't have text, so I thought it wouldn't be an issue, but it doesn't hurt to leave it off.

Might as well make those changes and see if it helps. Personally, viewing at 100% magnification may be all that is needed, yet using the updated settings would cover all bases.

I'm not sure that will solve your problem, but I am pretty sure this is the limit of my knowledge in debugging your issue.

Hope this helps.

John Wheeler
Hey John, once again thanks for all your help so far. So I did what you asked there, I think it looks right now. However most times I bring something from LR to PS it complains that the prophoto profile is embedded and that PS is on RBG2.1etc etc and do I want to convert it etc etc. Is this normal, i don't remember this.
Hi @primeshooter

Glad the colors are pretty much matched up.

The topic of the warnings coming up and what color space to use is two separate issues so will address them that way.

If you do not want the warnings to come up, then you just need to set the upper left setting in red (working space RGB) to the same color space as the incoming images. In your case, your incoming images are ProPhoto rgb so if you set the Working Space RGB setting to ProPhoto RGB then there is no mismatch and the warning will not come up per this image.

https://i.postimg.cc/jS7GXTZS/Color-Settings.jpg

Which color space to use has tradeoffs.

ProPhotoRGB has the widest color gamut yet best to use it with 16 bit images to avoid banding. Todays printers and displays cannot show all of the colors in ProPhoto RGB so it brings some challenge in post processing

sRGB is the industry common denominator standard (i.e.the most compatible with minimal issues) yet is also has the smallest color gamut

Adobe RGB and Display P3 are both intermediate gamuts between sRGB and ProPhoto RGB

Here is a link to articles about Color Management and a little ways down they have two topcis, one about Color Spaces, and the other about converting between color spaces. I suggest you read those for more detail.

https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/color-management-printing.htm

I hope this is helpful

John Wheeler
Hi John, yes I am aware I can block those notifications from coming up, I should have explained better what I was getting at here. I am concerned about not editing in the biggest colour space. LR is fine (prophoto is good, and it's standard, so no problems there). However, in PS, using RGB 2.1 seems like I could encounter issues, especially during astro processing or complex lum masking that I contend with daily. So my question is, why are the colours off when I set PS to prophoto (the same space as LR)? I'm sure this is still happening, I can check tonight. Maybe i'll be wrong, but it was off before when I had them matching each other and everything was the same version camera raw, etc, both updated to latest versions. Thanks for the links, I have read both of these before actually.

NB I always edit in 16 bit in PS and LR.
The fact that PS is now warning you that there's a color space mismatch (now that you've toggled that warning on in PS) tells you that your image when opened in PS is NOT matched to your PS working space.
Aware of this yes.
In your original post you said you "have LR in Prophoto and PS the same," but what does that really mean?
I mean that LR was set to prophoto, and PS was set to the same, but the colours were still different.
You may be making a wrong assumption about your LR settings with respect to the images that you're working with in LR and then opening in PS. Check your LR Preferences>External Editing>Edit in Photoshop Color Space setting.
Been checked its as John said unless something has changed. I will look again just to be doubly sure.
That's the critical setting for determining what color space will be encoded with the image that's passed between LR and PS when you use the "Edit In" option to open the image in PS either as rasterized image or as a Smart Object.
 
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Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
Are you using the Edit in Photoshop path or saving a file from LR and then loading a file into PS.
Doesn't matter what I do. It does same. Edit in photoshop as smart object mostly. But same happens with edit in photoshop...
When you go to PS, do you go through Adobe Camera Raw first?
I import through LR, I don't want to change this as its simplier for me and this shouldnt be happening
First step is to narrow down exactly the path you are using to help debug what is going wrong.
Okay see above
Having the file or a link to the file giving your trouble would be helpful too.
I will try screenshoting tomorrow
I have had some troubles in the past as well, and there are several ways that you can end up with a mismatch.

1) Both LR and PS have separate ACRs. Both versions must match. You can check the version of Lightroom under the "About Lightroom Classic " command. You can find the version in Photoshop under Settings > Camera Raw

2) In association with having the same version, you want to make sure that in Lightroom Preferences/Settings, you "Reset All Warning Dialog" at the bottom of the Preferences/Settings > General page. The reason this is important is if there were a mismatch in ACR versions, it could process the Lightroom image in PS's ACR which has its own color space settings. You normally have a warning about this when doing an "Edit in PS" command, yet if the "Don't show this dialog again" then you don't see the warning . That is a sneak path for having the wrong color space attached to your image.

3) Make sure that the Preferences for External Editing are set as you said to ProPhoto RGB as in this image:

5bc97e43f1c94947ad2243a4ee67ee4b.jpg

Then, on the Photoshop side, make sure the Edit > Color Settings are set as below. I circled in red the important ones. Using these settings this way should smoothly move from ProPhoto RGB in LR to ProPhoto RGB in PS, assuming the images are tagged right from LR. If they are not tagged right, these color settings will warn you that there is a mismatch and that would help in the debugging. Also, you want to make sure the "Desaturate Monitor Colors By" was not accidentally turned on.

229efdd4e8924e94a6878c268b58941d.jpg

If, after all of these steps, you still have a color mismatch, the issue may be above my pay grade.

Hope these suggestions are helpful.

John Wheeler
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions

I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet
I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet

Even on the new suggestion, I am still getting this weird problem. Now see below:

LR colour - good
LR colour - good

PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)
PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)

If you look closely at the PS version, there are also coloured rings not present in the LR version as well as the strange green cast.
Hi

@Primeshooter. from what I see, the LR and PS are closer in being the same than with your prior settings yet the resolution of your images is quite low and I cannot pick out the details your are describing.

I did some more research and I have a couple things to add.

1) Only view the images both at 100% magnification in LR and PS. This will eliminate any potential screen rendering issues.

2) I was making an assumption yet the OS needs to be using the same monitor profile for both LR an PS. I use a Mac and that is pretty much guaranteed yet I am not sure about Windows based OS So that would be worth checking

3) There were a couple setting I saw where they made a different recommendation than I had shared with you before. That is included below with the red being the consistent settings from before and the green are the ones that are different.

abf3b805edea40f88de394bb1370679c.jpg

I will go through those changes one by one.

1) Using 8-bit dither with 16-bit images and no change in color space between LR and PS, this setting should not make a difference. Yet if you were working with 8-bit images at some point, or changing color spaces, the dither option helps remove banding that might occur

2) Compensate for Source-referred profiles. That's a good one to leave off, but I didn't think such profiles were in play. It would be good to turn off just in case.

3) Turning off Blending RGB Colors Using Gamma. Since you were working with single Layers, this should not come into play yet, leaving it unchecked would be safer

4) Turn off Blend Text Colors Using Gamma. You didn't have text, so I thought it wouldn't be an issue, but it doesn't hurt to leave it off.

Might as well make those changes and see if it helps. Personally, viewing at 100% magnification may be all that is needed, yet using the updated settings would cover all bases.

I'm not sure that will solve your problem, but I am pretty sure this is the limit of my knowledge in debugging your issue.

Hope this helps.

John Wheeler
Hey John, once again thanks for all your help so far. So I did what you asked there, I think it looks right now. However most times I bring something from LR to PS it complains that the prophoto profile is embedded and that PS is on RBG2.1etc etc and do I want to convert it etc etc. Is this normal, i don't remember this.
Hi @primeshooter

Glad the colors are pretty much matched up.

The topic of the warnings coming up and what color space to use is two separate issues so will address them that way.

If you do not want the warnings to come up, then you just need to set the upper left setting in red (working space RGB) to the same color space as the incoming images. In your case, your incoming images are ProPhoto rgb so if you set the Working Space RGB setting to ProPhoto RGB then there is no mismatch and the warning will not come up per this image.

https://i.postimg.cc/jS7GXTZS/Color-Settings.jpg

Which color space to use has tradeoffs.

ProPhotoRGB has the widest color gamut yet best to use it with 16 bit images to avoid banding. Todays printers and displays cannot show all of the colors in ProPhoto RGB so it brings some challenge in post processing

sRGB is the industry common denominator standard (i.e.the most compatible with minimal issues) yet is also has the smallest color gamut

Adobe RGB and Display P3 are both intermediate gamuts between sRGB and ProPhoto RGB

Here is a link to articles about Color Management and a little ways down they have two topcis, one about Color Spaces, and the other about converting between color spaces. I suggest you read those for more detail.

https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/color-management-printing.htm

I hope this is helpful

John Wheeler
Hi John, yes I am aware I can block those notifications from coming up, I should have explained better what I was getting at here. I am concerned about not editing in the biggest colour space. LR is fine (prophoto is good, and it's standard, so no problems there). However, in PS, using RGB 2.1 seems like I could encounter issues, especially during astro processing or complex lum masking that I contend with daily. So my question is, why are the colours off when I set PS to prophoto (the same space as LR)? I'm sure this is still happening, I can check tonight. Maybe i'll be wrong, but it was off before when I had them matching each other and everything was the same version camera raw, etc, both updated to latest versions. Thanks for the links, I have read both of these before actually.

NB I always edit in 16 bit in PS and LR.
Hi @primeshooter.

That would be great if you change the working space RGB to ProPhoto. You should not see a different color image. If you do, there are a couple other things to consider.

Note that I use a Mac system and you are on a Windows system so cannot give specific instructions

1) I am assuming that you are viewing on the same monitor. Ideally with the LR and PS apps are open and side by side for easy comparison and magnification at 100% for both

2) In LR, only view in the Develop Module. Other modules actually are set to Adobe RGB which has the potential to make a slight difference

3) I am not sure how you verify this yet you Windows OS needs to be using the exact same monitor profile for both LR and PS. I am under the impression that one can set the monitor profile on an app by app basis yet I would hope the default would be to used the same monitor profile. I cannot guide you there not owning a PC.

4) If you see a side by side difference between LR and PS then swap the location of those two windows and see if the difference follows the app or stays on the same side of the monitor. If it stays with the monitor that is a monitor problem. If the same issue follows the swap locations, then you still have a problem.

5) Make sure soft proofing is not turned on for either LR or PS (another posting had already mentioned this suggestion)

Hope this incremental information is helpful

--
John Wheeler
Never give up. Never surrender. Galaxy Quest :)
 
Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
Are you using the Edit in Photoshop path or saving a file from LR and then loading a file into PS.
Doesn't matter what I do. It does same. Edit in photoshop as smart object mostly. But same happens with edit in photoshop...
When you go to PS, do you go through Adobe Camera Raw first?
I import through LR, I don't want to change this as its simplier for me and this shouldnt be happening
First step is to narrow down exactly the path you are using to help debug what is going wrong.
Okay see above
Having the file or a link to the file giving your trouble would be helpful too.
I will try screenshoting tomorrow
I have had some troubles in the past as well, and there are several ways that you can end up with a mismatch.

1) Both LR and PS have separate ACRs. Both versions must match. You can check the version of Lightroom under the "About Lightroom Classic " command. You can find the version in Photoshop under Settings > Camera Raw

2) In association with having the same version, you want to make sure that in Lightroom Preferences/Settings, you "Reset All Warning Dialog" at the bottom of the Preferences/Settings > General page. The reason this is important is if there were a mismatch in ACR versions, it could process the Lightroom image in PS's ACR which has its own color space settings. You normally have a warning about this when doing an "Edit in PS" command, yet if the "Don't show this dialog again" then you don't see the warning . That is a sneak path for having the wrong color space attached to your image.

3) Make sure that the Preferences for External Editing are set as you said to ProPhoto RGB as in this image:

5bc97e43f1c94947ad2243a4ee67ee4b.jpg

Then, on the Photoshop side, make sure the Edit > Color Settings are set as below. I circled in red the important ones. Using these settings this way should smoothly move from ProPhoto RGB in LR to ProPhoto RGB in PS, assuming the images are tagged right from LR. If they are not tagged right, these color settings will warn you that there is a mismatch and that would help in the debugging. Also, you want to make sure the "Desaturate Monitor Colors By" was not accidentally turned on.

229efdd4e8924e94a6878c268b58941d.jpg

If, after all of these steps, you still have a color mismatch, the issue may be above my pay grade.

Hope these suggestions are helpful.

John Wheeler
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions

I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet
I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet

Even on the new suggestion, I am still getting this weird problem. Now see below:

LR colour - good
LR colour - good

PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)
PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)

If you look closely at the PS version, there are also coloured rings not present in the LR version as well as the strange green cast.
Hi

@Primeshooter. from what I see, the LR and PS are closer in being the same than with your prior settings yet the resolution of your images is quite low and I cannot pick out the details your are describing.

I did some more research and I have a couple things to add.

1) Only view the images both at 100% magnification in LR and PS. This will eliminate any potential screen rendering issues.

2) I was making an assumption yet the OS needs to be using the same monitor profile for both LR an PS. I use a Mac and that is pretty much guaranteed yet I am not sure about Windows based OS So that would be worth checking

3) There were a couple setting I saw where they made a different recommendation than I had shared with you before. That is included below with the red being the consistent settings from before and the green are the ones that are different.

abf3b805edea40f88de394bb1370679c.jpg

I will go through those changes one by one.

1) Using 8-bit dither with 16-bit images and no change in color space between LR and PS, this setting should not make a difference. Yet if you were working with 8-bit images at some point, or changing color spaces, the dither option helps remove banding that might occur

2) Compensate for Source-referred profiles. That's a good one to leave off, but I didn't think such profiles were in play. It would be good to turn off just in case.

3) Turning off Blending RGB Colors Using Gamma. Since you were working with single Layers, this should not come into play yet, leaving it unchecked would be safer

4) Turn off Blend Text Colors Using Gamma. You didn't have text, so I thought it wouldn't be an issue, but it doesn't hurt to leave it off.

Might as well make those changes and see if it helps. Personally, viewing at 100% magnification may be all that is needed, yet using the updated settings would cover all bases.

I'm not sure that will solve your problem, but I am pretty sure this is the limit of my knowledge in debugging your issue.

Hope this helps.

John Wheeler
Hey John, once again thanks for all your help so far. So I did what you asked there, I think it looks right now. However most times I bring something from LR to PS it complains that the prophoto profile is embedded and that PS is on RBG2.1etc etc and do I want to convert it etc etc. Is this normal, i don't remember this.
Hi @primeshooter

Glad the colors are pretty much matched up.

The topic of the warnings coming up and what color space to use is two separate issues so will address them that way.

If you do not want the warnings to come up, then you just need to set the upper left setting in red (working space RGB) to the same color space as the incoming images. In your case, your incoming images are ProPhoto rgb so if you set the Working Space RGB setting to ProPhoto RGB then there is no mismatch and the warning will not come up per this image.

https://i.postimg.cc/jS7GXTZS/Color-Settings.jpg

Which color space to use has tradeoffs.

ProPhotoRGB has the widest color gamut yet best to use it with 16 bit images to avoid banding. Todays printers and displays cannot show all of the colors in ProPhoto RGB so it brings some challenge in post processing

sRGB is the industry common denominator standard (i.e.the most compatible with minimal issues) yet is also has the smallest color gamut

Adobe RGB and Display P3 are both intermediate gamuts between sRGB and ProPhoto RGB

Here is a link to articles about Color Management and a little ways down they have two topcis, one about Color Spaces, and the other about converting between color spaces. I suggest you read those for more detail.

https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/color-management-printing.htm

I hope this is helpful

John Wheeler
Hi John, yes I am aware I can block those notifications from coming up, I should have explained better what I was getting at here. I am concerned about not editing in the biggest colour space. LR is fine (prophoto is good, and it's standard, so no problems there). However, in PS, using RGB 2.1 seems like I could encounter issues, especially during astro processing or complex lum masking that I contend with daily. So my question is, why are the colours off when I set PS to prophoto (the same space as LR)? I'm sure this is still happening, I can check tonight. Maybe i'll be wrong, but it was off before when I had them matching each other and everything was the same version camera raw, etc, both updated to latest versions. Thanks for the links, I have read both of these before actually.

NB I always edit in 16 bit in PS and LR.
The fact that PS is now warning you that there's a color space mismatch (now that you've toggled that warning on in PS) tells you that your image when opened in PS is NOT matched to your PS working space.
Aware of this yes.
In your original post you said you "have LR in Prophoto and PS the same," but what does that really mean?
I mean that LR was set to prophoto, and PS was set to the same, but the colours were still different.
You may be making a wrong assumption about your LR settings with respect to the images that you're working with in LR and then opening in PS. Check your LR Preferences>External Editing>Edit in Photoshop Color Space setting.
Been checked its as John said unless something has changed. I will look again just to be doubly sure.
The warning message about a mismatch is pretty darn definitive that there's a mismatch. Likewise, the shift in the histogram in your two screenshots is clear evidence that two different color spaces are being applied. Please confirm that the export setting in LR matches the Working Color Space setting in PS. If they really are the same and you're still getting the mismatch warning when you perform the smart object export from LR into PS, something pretty fundamental seems to be broken. Until the mismatch issue is cleared up, I wouldn't worry about diagnosing color differences you're seeing when the image is displayed in the two apps.

I don't want to muddy up the waters further, so I'll leave you in John Wheeler's competent hands for taking things forward. Good luck.
That's the critical setting for determining what color space will be encoded with the image that's passed between LR and PS when you use the "Edit In" option to open the image in PS either as rasterized image or as a Smart Object.
 
Experienced shooter and PS user here, but I am totally lost here with this. Suddenly out of nowhere, the colour between LR (fine) and PS is off. I have LR in Prophoto and PS the same, but it's literally more green tinged. I checked that camera raw is updated, and both programs are up to date also but I would appreciate some advice. I tried just about every colour space in PS, including SRGB, but nothing matched what LR is showing in prophoto! Help me lol.

NB - astro images, and it's generally a green cast. Goes away if I go back into LR, even after doing some edits in PS so it is a colour space related issue I would think. Nvidia drivers?
Are you using the Edit in Photoshop path or saving a file from LR and then loading a file into PS.
Doesn't matter what I do. It does same. Edit in photoshop as smart object mostly. But same happens with edit in photoshop...
When you go to PS, do you go through Adobe Camera Raw first?
I import through LR, I don't want to change this as its simplier for me and this shouldnt be happening
First step is to narrow down exactly the path you are using to help debug what is going wrong.
Okay see above
Having the file or a link to the file giving your trouble would be helpful too.
I will try screenshoting tomorrow
I have had some troubles in the past as well, and there are several ways that you can end up with a mismatch.

1) Both LR and PS have separate ACRs. Both versions must match. You can check the version of Lightroom under the "About Lightroom Classic " command. You can find the version in Photoshop under Settings > Camera Raw

2) In association with having the same version, you want to make sure that in Lightroom Preferences/Settings, you "Reset All Warning Dialog" at the bottom of the Preferences/Settings > General page. The reason this is important is if there were a mismatch in ACR versions, it could process the Lightroom image in PS's ACR which has its own color space settings. You normally have a warning about this when doing an "Edit in PS" command, yet if the "Don't show this dialog again" then you don't see the warning . That is a sneak path for having the wrong color space attached to your image.

3) Make sure that the Preferences for External Editing are set as you said to ProPhoto RGB as in this image:

5bc97e43f1c94947ad2243a4ee67ee4b.jpg

Then, on the Photoshop side, make sure the Edit > Color Settings are set as below. I circled in red the important ones. Using these settings this way should smoothly move from ProPhoto RGB in LR to ProPhoto RGB in PS, assuming the images are tagged right from LR. If they are not tagged right, these color settings will warn you that there is a mismatch and that would help in the debugging. Also, you want to make sure the "Desaturate Monitor Colors By" was not accidentally turned on.

229efdd4e8924e94a6878c268b58941d.jpg

If, after all of these steps, you still have a color mismatch, the issue may be above my pay grade.

Hope these suggestions are helpful.

John Wheeler
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions
Here is what I had before I saw your suggestions

I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet
I changed to this (the difference in colour is just I haved stretched the file yet

Even on the new suggestion, I am still getting this weird problem. Now see below:

LR colour - good
LR colour - good

PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)
PS Colour - weird (smart object, but same occurs with normal layered import)

If you look closely at the PS version, there are also coloured rings not present in the LR version as well as the strange green cast.
Hi

@Primeshooter. from what I see, the LR and PS are closer in being the same than with your prior settings yet the resolution of your images is quite low and I cannot pick out the details your are describing.

I did some more research and I have a couple things to add.

1) Only view the images both at 100% magnification in LR and PS. This will eliminate any potential screen rendering issues.

2) I was making an assumption yet the OS needs to be using the same monitor profile for both LR an PS. I use a Mac and that is pretty much guaranteed yet I am not sure about Windows based OS So that would be worth checking

3) There were a couple setting I saw where they made a different recommendation than I had shared with you before. That is included below with the red being the consistent settings from before and the green are the ones that are different.

abf3b805edea40f88de394bb1370679c.jpg

I will go through those changes one by one.

1) Using 8-bit dither with 16-bit images and no change in color space between LR and PS, this setting should not make a difference. Yet if you were working with 8-bit images at some point, or changing color spaces, the dither option helps remove banding that might occur

2) Compensate for Source-referred profiles. That's a good one to leave off, but I didn't think such profiles were in play. It would be good to turn off just in case.

3) Turning off Blending RGB Colors Using Gamma. Since you were working with single Layers, this should not come into play yet, leaving it unchecked would be safer

4) Turn off Blend Text Colors Using Gamma. You didn't have text, so I thought it wouldn't be an issue, but it doesn't hurt to leave it off.

Might as well make those changes and see if it helps. Personally, viewing at 100% magnification may be all that is needed, yet using the updated settings would cover all bases.

I'm not sure that will solve your problem, but I am pretty sure this is the limit of my knowledge in debugging your issue.

Hope this helps.

John Wheeler
Hey John, once again thanks for all your help so far. So I did what you asked there, I think it looks right now. However most times I bring something from LR to PS it complains that the prophoto profile is embedded and that PS is on RBG2.1etc etc and do I want to convert it etc etc. Is this normal, i don't remember this.
Hi @primeshooter

Glad the colors are pretty much matched up.

The topic of the warnings coming up and what color space to use is two separate issues so will address them that way.

If you do not want the warnings to come up, then you just need to set the upper left setting in red (working space RGB) to the same color space as the incoming images. In your case, your incoming images are ProPhoto rgb so if you set the Working Space RGB setting to ProPhoto RGB then there is no mismatch and the warning will not come up per this image.

https://i.postimg.cc/jS7GXTZS/Color-Settings.jpg

Which color space to use has tradeoffs.

ProPhotoRGB has the widest color gamut yet best to use it with 16 bit images to avoid banding. Todays printers and displays cannot show all of the colors in ProPhoto RGB so it brings some challenge in post processing

sRGB is the industry common denominator standard (i.e.the most compatible with minimal issues) yet is also has the smallest color gamut

Adobe RGB and Display P3 are both intermediate gamuts between sRGB and ProPhoto RGB

Here is a link to articles about Color Management and a little ways down they have two topcis, one about Color Spaces, and the other about converting between color spaces. I suggest you read those for more detail.

https://www.cambridgeincolour.com/color-management-printing.htm

I hope this is helpful

John Wheeler
Hi John, yes I am aware I can block those notifications from coming up, I should have explained better what I was getting at here. I am concerned about not editing in the biggest colour space. LR is fine (prophoto is good, and it's standard, so no problems there). However, in PS, using RGB 2.1 seems like I could encounter issues, especially during astro processing or complex lum masking that I contend with daily. So my question is, why are the colours off when I set PS to prophoto (the same space as LR)? I'm sure this is still happening, I can check tonight. Maybe i'll be wrong, but it was off before when I had them matching each other and everything was the same version camera raw, etc, both updated to latest versions. Thanks for the links, I have read both of these before actually.

NB I always edit in 16 bit in PS and LR.
The fact that PS is now warning you that there's a color space mismatch (now that you've toggled that warning on in PS) tells you that your image when opened in PS is NOT matched to your PS working space.
Aware of this yes.
In your original post you said you "have LR in Prophoto and PS the same," but what does that really mean?
I mean that LR was set to prophoto, and PS was set to the same, but the colours were still different.
You may be making a wrong assumption about your LR settings with respect to the images that you're working with in LR and then opening in PS. Check your LR Preferences>External Editing>Edit in Photoshop Color Space setting.
Been checked its as John said unless something has changed. I will look again just to be doubly sure.
The warning message about a mismatch is pretty darn definitive that there's a mismatch. Likewise, the shift in the histogram in your two screenshots is clear evidence that two different color spaces are being applied. Please confirm that the export setting in LR matches the Working Color Space setting in PS. If they really are the same and you're still getting the mismatch warning when you perform the smart object export from LR into PS, something pretty fundamental seems to be broken. Until the mismatch issue is cleared up, I wouldn't worry about diagnosing color differences you're seeing when the image is displayed in the two apps.

I don't want to muddy up the waters further, so I'll leave you in John Wheeler's competent hands for taking things forward. Good luck.
That's the critical setting for determining what color space will be encoded with the image that's passed between LR and PS when you use the "Edit In" option to open the image in PS either as rasterized image or as a Smart Object.
Will check this. Appreciate both your help.
 

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