How about a Hunting Thread

... and harvested this bull...
The bull was harvested...
Harvested? Is that what you call it? I call it killed. Pure and simple. Harvest is something you do with vegetables or things that grow from the soil. Animals are flesh and blood, they don't grow on trees and once killed they won't be back next season like apples and grapes to be harvested again.
 
Thankfully such stupidity (with any of the remaining critters) will not be repeated "in our age" here in the U.S.A.
 
Hunting for the sake of killing is an abomination. Killing for the sake on personal comfort is also an abomination. Allowing a species to die because it’s over produced and over breed is also an abomination. Allowing mass genocide of a species and then rebreeding to do it again is an abomination.

I don’t intentionally kill anything any more. I even mentally apologies to the flies when I use fly spray. I catch and release bird spiders when they stray into the house. I have a family of African rats living under the shed that gets its daily ration of food. I consider my self green. But am I ? I eat red meat , chicken and fish I drive a car that uses fossil fuel. I don’t like hunting but I conveniently condone mass slaughter of cattle and chickens which are processed in a factories of death and all nicely parcelled up in little tray’s and packets.

Why because I don’t have to see or participate in the process. I mentally tune out. The next time you eat a steak or a hamburger think of that little calf with the soft nose and big eyes that looks so cute. Then cast time forward and see the animal loaded onto a truck and taken to a factory of death where it is “ Euthanized” (lovely word is it not) . Its throat is the cut and the blood drained into cannels and then into vats to make by products like Bovril. The skin becomes shoes , wives hand bags etc. The flesh carved up and GRADED as to attach a price on the softest and most tender cuts , also allowing us to chose whether we like lean or fatty.

The go to the shop , supermarket , store and chose your hamburger/mince , steak and tell the butcher which cut you want. Then on special occasions or dishes order veal the real tender , no fat , baby stuff, (also good if you have dentures) .

I don’t condone hunting but let’s run another sequence. Game: born free in large areas very little contact with man ( Thank god) grows up in freedom . One day is grazing contentedly. BANG dead . A similar process as the cattle not so. Well NO. Wild game require large areas of space. As we are over breeding this space is take up by house’s , vineyards , CATTLE farms , etc . to produce goods for us. The game in these areas are not necessarily hunted out they move out until they have no place to go and in some cases starve. Now if an area is dedicated to conserving these animals and they were just allowed to breed wily nilly they would overpopulate and eventually decline due to starvation , weak gene pool, diseases etc. these areas have to be managed and CONTROLLED. You shoot / you pay hunting not only supplements natures survival of the fittest but adds value to the animal and in today’s work anything of value is protected. Wild game also has little commercial value as the food consumed to protein produced is low. So why keep game? Hell move in the cows.

This from someone who feeds rats under the shed , has black widow spiders breeding on the side of said shed, eats meat , chicken and has leather shoes and Bovril in the cupboard. IT me it’s survival at all costs and some time any cost even if you sell your soul to the devil but first ask who is the devil.

Oh yes people have rats in the house. OK put out rat poison , Rat eats poison , the poison causes the rats blood vessels to rupture and the rats bleeds to death internally and silently the most painful of ways. But that’s ok because we did not see it die and the rat is gone. ( We might smell it later ) but oh don’t worry there is a special no stink rat poison.

So when judging yes think of Bambie but also think of Nosy the calf . They are both cute why then don’t we

Got to go I have burgers on the barbeque.

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Collin

(Aficionado Olympus DSLR )

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Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. (George Carlin)

New Seventh Wonder of the World.

 
It shows very simple grammar mistakes. The sentence structure is wrong and what is the purpose of the question mark. Was it addressed to yourself or to me ?
How coherent is your thinking process ?

I strongly recommend that you should apply for a conservation officer job in your area.
ha-ha-ha.

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Sergei,
Calgary.
http://www.alberta-photo.com
 
... and harvested this bull...
The bull was harvested...
Harvested? Is that what you call it? I call it killed. Pure and simple. Harvest is something you do with vegetables or things that grow from the soil. Animals are flesh and blood, they don't grow on trees and once killed they won't be back next season like apples and grapes to be harvested again.
Well Oly your little barbs and hooks and analogies just don't make any sense when I look at what is real and from my own experience I know you are not knowledgeable about the subject, you are just "anti-hunting". Ironically I would bet you use animal products though.

Unfortunately man has encroached upon much of the original range of wildlife to build our factories, high-rises freeways and homes, etc. and so now management for the animal numbers is a necessity to keep them at numbers at which the range can sustain a healthy population. Controlled hunting as a management tool does allow our herds of wildlife to survive in the healthy abundance that the remaining ranges allow. Without that controlled hunting as a management tool the herds would just not survive.

"Harvesting" is what I do in my garden & what will do in my pasture next week when I slaughter and butcher a steer. Harvesting is also what I do when I select an animal in the wild during a controlled hunt. I have taken part and watched the results here in Oregon for more then 56 years of my life and I know through that management it allows the animals to be back the next season, and the next and the next. Sustainable herds are there now in part because of the support of good hunters and like it or not that is a fact. I have witnessed that the herds we have today are healthier then the herds of 50 years ago. Back then I can remember seeing hundreds and hundreds of animals die of starvation, literally in piles because their numbers were more then the range could support and I do not see that at all with the management of present.

As you say animals are flesh and blood, they are and I accept that. I to am flesh and blood too. I wear leather shoes and a leather belt, and I butcher and eat the meat that I harvest from my pasture or the meat of my preference wild and from our public lands.

I am quite proud to be a helpful management tool in maintaining our wild herds in healthy numbers and with no qualms about it.
 
I'm on your side on this, I was refering to a comment made somewere on this thread. It was not mean to be an answere to your post, my bad. With that temper of yours is a good thing that you don't hunt! :)
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Bluephotons
Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. Bob Dylan
 
... and harvested this bull...
The bull was harvested...
Harvested? Is that what you call it? I call it killed. Pure and simple. Harvest is something you do with vegetables or things that grow from the soil. Animals are flesh and blood, they don't grow on trees and once killed they won't be back next season like apples and grapes to be harvested again.
Well Oly your little barbs and hooks and analogies just don't make any sense when I look at what is real and from my own experience I know you are not knowledgeable about the subject, you are just "anti-hunting". Ironically I would bet you use animal products though.

Unfortunately man has encroached upon much of the original range of wildlife to build our factories, high-rises freeways and homes, etc. and so now management for the animal numbers is a necessity to keep them at numbers at which the range can sustain a healthy population. Controlled hunting as a management tool does allow our herds of wildlife to survive in the healthy abundance that the remaining ranges allow. Without that controlled hunting as a management tool the herds would just not survive.

"Harvesting" is what I do in my garden & what will do in my pasture next week when I slaughter and butcher a steer. Harvesting is also what I do when I select an animal in the wild during a controlled hunt. I have taken part and watched the results here in Oregon for more then 56 years of my life and I know through that management it allows the animals to be back the next season, and the next and the next. Sustainable herds are there now in part because of the support of good hunters and like it or not that is a fact. I have witnessed that the herds we have today are healthier then the herds of 50 years ago. Back then I can remember seeing hundreds and hundreds of animals die of starvation, literally in piles because their numbers were more then the range could support and I do not see that at all with the management of present.

As you say animals are flesh and blood, they are and I accept that. I to am flesh and blood too. I wear leather shoes and a leather belt, and I butcher and eat the meat that I harvest from my pasture or the meat of my preference wild and from our public lands.

I am quite proud to be a helpful management tool in maintaining our wild herds in healthy numbers and with no qualms about it.
You have totally missed my point. This is what happens when you are not interested to know what others are saying. :P :P :P :P

" Harvested? Is that what you call it? I call it killed. "

THAT was my main point. The fact that I eat meat, wear leather shoes and use other animal related products has absolutely nothing to do with my comment. I also have absolutely no problem killing or slaughtering an animal if I needed it for eating. No matter if that is a fish, a chicken or something bigger. What I have problems with is the "hunters" attitude towards those who disapprove of the joys hunting. Hunting as joy, a proof of manhood and braveness is what I find disgusting. Also to call it something else than what it is to make it sound less messy is disgusting. I mean really, to call it a "harvest" is pathetic. When you go hunting you go for the kill and to smell the blood and the guts, and in the end hope to come home with a trophy of some kind, cut from the head of the animal or the whole body. The trophy can be the skin, teeth, horns or some times a whole head or a stuffed up animal. So, what I hoped for is that you'd see how horrible the word "harvested" sounds like in relation to this activity of killing. Apparently I failed and you really seem to see it as I look at harvesting the crops on the fields.
 
I did not miss your point at all and I am always interested in hearing what others have to say. We just happen to have differing opinions.
You may call it "killed" if you wish or 'whatever you wish'.

I am a hunter-gatherer 'born and raised' that way.

I am not doing it to prove my manhood or for braveness as you suggest. I get a chuckle because you saying that makes it obvious to me that you just are not knowledgeable in what is real here or about good game management.

Do I kill the steer that I harvest from my pasture or the deer, or the elk that I hunt and harvest? Sure enough & I kill it with quick efficiency as that is one of the important steps towards completing the proper harvest. I am also very efficient in taking care of what I harvest so that there isn't waste.

You are correct & we are in agreement as I do look at it as you do harvesting crops from the field . It is a part of the bounty in the field that we are provided and I do take advantage of that bounty and am thankful for it. I have no qualms about it what-so-ever, I am going to harvest it and eat it as long as that harvest is helping to properly manage our healthy and sustainable herds. I prefer venison or elk over even the grass fed beef that I raise or the horses and mules I have eaten. I am sure not going to eat them alive.
 
I completely understand all that you have said. Those that want to argue over the use of "harvested" or "killed" only illustrate a lack of knowledge for it is the single word ("kill") that disturbs them. They lack the depth to fully comprehend, and often times come from a completely different culture.

From my experience (and illustrated in this thread)...those least willing to even attempt to understand the situation are those that make the most narrow statements against hunting. As a general rule hunters appear to be much more tolerant of non-hunters than the other way around.

Happy hunting, harvesting (and killing).
 
You reveal much about yourself by posting this article/link. Posting it twice doubles what it reveals about your opinions.
1) you seem to find pleasure in the death of a human (two humans)

2) through your laughter your ability to comprehend/read decreased, and your "favorite hunting" story involved the shooting (and probable death) of a deer along with two dead humans

Claim no animals were harmed/killed, then celebrate in the death of two humans because they were "hunting". Seems as though you feel they (the humans) got what they deserve.

TASTELESS POST!

Continuing hunting
 
and anywhere else where they've banned guns - and in fact, taken them away from responsible citizens. Gosh, now only the bad guys have 'em. You gotta love the UK (where it's at today).

I don't hunt - sorry, I could never kill a creature of any sort - unless I had to do so for food - but that's my personal choice. I don't criticize hunters who do so for the meat and in those areas where certain game is in an overabundance and must be scaled back. Yes, I do have issues with those who go out and hunt "trophy game," meaning only to hang a head on their wall. But issues or not, I'm not the type who would demand that folks be banned for hunting. What else would we ban then? I love shooting a variety of weapons and enjoy the right to do so.

So in addition to the various cameras I enjoy shooting - in particular, Oly models - I also enjoy shooting the likes of H&K, Ruger, Benelli, Glock, Rock River, AK, CZ, Kel-Tec, Thureon Defense, and the list goes on.

And so, the next few photos are specifically dedicated to you anti-gun types (and progressives in general). So besides various cameras, here's what else I shoot with.......at various ranges ;)























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i dont have a problem with people who choose to hunt with a camera
i do have a problem with people who hunt animals to kill them

you want to hunt animals with weapons, hunt each other
see how it feels when the opponents have equal risk

side bet
there are less hunters the next time
Now that's a brilliant statement, what a jacka$$
While Rriley and I seldom see eye to eye I am very much in agreement with him in this instance. Hunting for food is one thing; hunting for the joy of killing living creatures is a different thing entirely. It looks to me like a little boys game dressing up as special ops soldiers and running about the woods killing docile non-dangerous creatures including Doves {seriously?} Has little to do with providing fresh food for your table.
Jim
 
Ben - I tend to agree with most of your post.

I would say - with regards to photography - you've captured some nice angles on the weapons in your photos - but just like any type of product photography, you really want to either remove all distracting elements or have them be in better context.

So, having a sheet over PART of the background looks bad.
Having a weber grill in the background looks bad

So - trying to keep on topic just a bit - I think you can improve your photos by paying more attention to the backgrounds so they don't detract from the fine subjects in your photos.
 
I completely understand all that you have said. Those that want to argue over the use of "harvested" or "killed" only illustrate a lack of knowledge for it is the single word ("kill") that disturbs them. They lack the depth to fully comprehend, and often times come from a completely different culture.
Nonsense. Using a word which sounds nicer than the actual fact is just shows the dishonesty and the glorification of what it is. Call it a culture if you like, but I am happy in that case that I belong to a culture where we call things with their proper name.

I have no idea what Swedish hunters call when they kill an animal during a hunt (we have a hunting "culture" also here, in case you did not know) but I'll ask next time I meet someone I know is a hunter. Perhaps even here it is called "harvesting", but it makes no difference to where I stand.

It also appears to me that YOU are the one who lack the knowledge, since you mix culture with hunting. Hunting is as much of a culture here as it is there, maybe even more in some parts of Sweden.
From my experience (and illustrated in this thread)...those least willing to even attempt to understand the situation are those that make the most narrow statements against hunting.
It appears to me that you have no idea what I was talking about and which position I take in this question.
As a general rule hunters appear to be much more tolerant of non-hunters than the other way around.
As a general rule, you are totally wrong because it is the opposite way around. The majority of population (both here and there) are non-hunters, yet they tolerate the existence of hunters and their hobby of killing and shooting. What other tolerance are you expecting to get?
 
You reveal much about yourself by posting this article/link. Posting it twice doubles what it reveals about your opinions.
1) you seem to find pleasure in the death of a human (two humans)

2) through your laughter your ability to comprehend/read decreased, and your "favorite hunting" story involved the shooting (and probable death) of a deer along with two dead humans

Claim no animals were harmed/killed, then celebrate in the death of two humans because they were "hunting". Seems as though you feel they (the humans) got what they deserve.

TASTELESS POST!

Continuing hunting
Continuing laughing :)
 
Compare Gun murders in the Uk with gun murders in the USA ??
Compare gun crime between the two countrys too

I dont have a problem with guns ive fired a few and hit my targets ..its killing animals for FUN i have the problem with .....Not for FOOD but for FUN.....
and anywhere else where they've banned guns - and in fact, taken them away from responsible citizens. Gosh, now only the bad guys have 'em. You gotta love the UK (where it's at today).

I don't hunt - sorry, I could never kill a creature of any sort - unless I had to do so for food - but that's my personal choice. I don't criticize hunters who do so for the meat and in those areas where certain game is in an overabundance and must be scaled back. Yes, I do have issues with those who go out and hunt "trophy game," meaning only to hang a head on their wall. But issues or not, I'm not the type who would demand that folks be banned for hunting. What else would we ban then? I love shooting a variety of weapons and enjoy the right to do so.

So in addition to the various cameras I enjoy shooting - in particular, Oly models - I also enjoy shooting the likes of H&K, Ruger, Benelli, Glock, Rock River, AK, CZ, Kel-Tec, Thureon Defense, and the list goes on.

And so, the next few photos are specifically dedicated to you anti-gun types (and progressives in general). So besides various cameras, here's what else I shoot with.......at various ranges ;)























--

 
You reveal much about yourself by posting this article/link. Posting it twice doubles what it reveals about your opinions.
1) you seem to find pleasure in the death of a human (two humans)

2) through your laughter your ability to comprehend/read decreased, and your "favorite hunting" story involved the shooting (and probable death) of a deer along with two dead humans

Claim no animals were harmed/killed, then celebrate in the death of two humans because they were "hunting". Seems as though you feel they (the humans) got what they deserve.

TASTELESS POST!

Continuing hunting
Continuing laughing :)
"Seems as though you feel they (the humans) got what they deserve."
They did get what they DESERVED.......
:D
 

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