Help Please: AF box jumps erratically with new X-T5

[S. Miller]

Hi,

I'm 99.9% this is user error but can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I have a new X-T5 and can't figure out why when I set the single point focus box on a given area, as soon as I half press the shutter, the AF box moves (up, down, left, right, whichever way it wants to go). It's so bad that when I half press the shutter, and see the box move, even when I manually try to keep the box in place by moving the AF joystick, the box still moves.

I'll list what I think are the relative settings I'm shooting with but please ask for any other settings I may be leaving out.

• Happens with AF-S or AF-C
• Single Point AF Mode and have varied the size of the AF box but the problem still occurs regardless of the box size
• Store AF Mode by Orientation: ON
• AF Point Display: Off
• 425 focus points
• Pre-AF: Off
• Face/eye Detection: Off
• Subject Detection: Off
• AF+MF: On
• MF Assist: Peak
• Interlock Spot AE & Focus Area: On (no clue what this is)
• AF Range Limiter: Off
• Touch Screen Mode: Area (I'm not accidentally touching the screen and causing this issue)

It happened frequently when I went out for a walk. It's very sunny but I don't see why that would be an issue. That said, now when I test it indoors, I don't have the issue. Very strange!

Any thoughts? I have to have some setting off or am doing something wrong.

Thanks in advance!

Steve

P.S. I'm using the XF 16-50 f/2.8-4.8 with firmware 1.00. I see conflicting info on the web about whether there's a more recent firmware. When I checked Fuji's site, I didn't see any firmware update listed for this lens.

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[Erik Baumgartner]

This is almost always a nose on the touchscreen thing, it definitely still happens with your face away from the screen? Pretty sure the AF box ought to stay put with your settings and nothing touching the screen or joystick.

Did you try disabling the screen entirely to eliminate it from the equation? Maybe it’s faulty?

 

[S. Miller]

This is almost always a nose on the touchscreen thing, it definitely still happens with your face away from the screen? Pretty sure the AF box ought to stay put with your settings and nothing touching the screen or joystick.

Did you try disabling the screen entirely to eliminate it from the equation? Maybe it’s faulty?

Thanks for the suggestion! My nose touching the screen does seem like the most likely culprit but I didn't feel like this was happening. I'll try it again holding the screen away from my face and see if it still happens. If it doesn't but it still happens when the screen is touching my face, I'll play around with the touch screen settings and worst case, turn them off.

Thanks again.

Steve

 

[Erik Baumgartner]

This is almost always a nose on the touchscreen thing, it definitely still happens with your face away from the screen? Pretty sure the AF box ought to stay put with your settings and nothing touching the screen or joystick.

Did you try disabling the screen entirely to eliminate it from the equation? Maybe it’s faulty?

Thanks for the suggestion! My nose touching the screen does seem like the most likely culprit but I didn't feel like this was happening. I'll try it again holding the screen away from my face and see if it still happens. If it doesn't but it still happens when the screen is touching my face, I'll play around with the touch screen settings and worst case, turn them off.

Thanks again.

Steve

No problem, many of us have our screens turned completely off.

 

[a_c_skinner]

Turning off the touch screen is something I do urgently, almost as quickly as I read Erik's answers to questions like this. Both seem dependable.

 

[jhorse]

Hi,

I'm 99.9% this is user error but can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I have a new X-T5 and can't figure out why when I set the single point focus box on a given area, as soon as I half press the shutter, the AF box moves (up, down, left, right, whichever way it wants to go). It's so bad that when I half press the shutter, and see the box move, even when I manually try to keep the box in place by moving the AF joystick, the box still moves.

This must be very frustrating. I too use a XT5 and the XF16-50f4.8, although I cannot see how the lens causes such an issue. This AF box behaviour, in my opinion, is abnormal behaviour caused either by a rogue setting (unlikely), the human interface (possible) or a camera malfunction (possible).

I'll list what I think are the relative settings I'm shooting with but please ask for any other settings I may be leaving out.

• Happens with AF-S or AF-C
• Single Point AF Mode and have varied the size of the AF box but the problem still occurs regardless of the box size
• Store AF Mode by Orientation: ON
• AF Point Display: Off
• 425 focus points
• Pre-AF: Off
• Face/eye Detection: Off
• Subject Detection: Off
• AF+MF: On
• MF Assist: Peak
• Interlock Spot AE & Focus Area: On (no clue what this is)
• AF Range Limiter: Off
• Touch Screen Mode: Area (I'm not accidentally touching the screen and causing this issue)

My settings are the same, bar one: I use 117 focus points.

If Interlock Spot AE and Focus Area is On, then in Spot metering the meter value will be set according to where the AF box is placed in the frame (the AF box can be moved by the focus lever, or on the touch screen if enabled). That said, I tend to use Multi photometry so interlocking is not activated anyway.

As an aside, I too have subject, face, eye detection off as I believe (unscientifically) that fewer computing steps in the AF process leads to faster and more accurate focus. I prefer to place the green box on the subject and track it froim there. I use my XT5 for sports photos, including polo, kite surfing and cycle racing and found the AF to be fast, accurate and reliable.

It happened frequently when I went out for a walk. It's very sunny but I don't see why that would be an issue. That said, now when I test it indoors, I don't have the issue. Very strange!

Any thoughts? I have to have some setting off or am doing something wrong.

On the basis I cannot see a rogue setting, I go with Erik's theory (human interface) that one's nose is inadvertently touching the screen causing the issue. I have my screen turned Off (and on my X100VI). This is not because of this issue, but because I find it flakey in use and I cannot see a use for it for me.

Lastly, it may be a malfunction; you have two options. First, do a full reset and then reconfigure your settings (I have mine recorded on an excel sheet, but I believe the Fuji app will save them for later reloading). Second, if the advice here and a reset fail and then as it is a new camera, return and exchange it.

Thanks in advance!

Steve

P.S. I'm using the XF 16-50 f/2.8-4.8 with firmware 1.00. I see conflicting info on the web about whether there's a more recent firmware. When I checked Fuji's site, I didn't see any firmware update listed for this lens.

Mine too is v1. 00. It not listed on the Fuji UK firmware site inferring that it remains at v1.00.

Hope that helps.

 

[S. Miller]

This is almost always a nose on the touchscreen thing, it definitely still happens with your face away from the screen? Pretty sure the AF box ought to stay put with your settings and nothing touching the screen or joystick.

Did you try disabling the screen entirely to eliminate it from the equation? Maybe it’s faulty?

Thanks for the suggestion! My nose touching the screen does seem like the most likely culprit but I didn't feel like this was happening. I'll try it again holding the screen away from my face and see if it still happens. If it doesn't but it still happens when the screen is touching my face, I'll play around with the touch screen settings and worst case, turn them off.

Thanks again.

Steve

No problem, many of us have our screens turned completely off.

Just checked. You nailed it. I have two other cameras where I occasionally drag the focus point around with my right thumb on the rear screen while looking through the viewfinder. I’ve never had a problem with those but I realized both of them are rangefinder style cameras so my nose is always off the screen. Doh!

I like to have access to the functionality so I changed the area of the screen from the whole screen to just the right half. Problem solved.

Thanks again for your help and to everyone else that added their comments and suggestions.

Steve

 

[S. Miller]

Turning off the touch screen is something I do urgently, almost as quickly as I read Erik's answers to questions like this. Both seem dependable.

 

[S. Miller]

Hi,

I'm 99.9% this is user error but can't figure out what I'm doing wrong. I have a new X-T5 and can't figure out why when I set the single point focus box on a given area, as soon as I half press the shutter, the AF box moves (up, down, left, right, whichever way it wants to go). It's so bad that when I half press the shutter, and see the box move, even when I manually try to keep the box in place by moving the AF joystick, the box still moves.

This must be very frustrating. I too use a XT5 and the XF16-50f4.8, although I cannot see how the lens causes such an issue. This AF box behaviour, in my opinion, is abnormal behaviour caused either by a rogue setting (unlikely), the human interface (possible) or a camera malfunction (possible).

I'll list what I think are the relative settings I'm shooting with but please ask for any other settings I may be leaving out.

• Happens with AF-S or AF-C
• Single Point AF Mode and have varied the size of the AF box but the problem still occurs regardless of the box size
• Store AF Mode by Orientation: ON
• AF Point Display: Off
• 425 focus points
• Pre-AF: Off
• Face/eye Detection: Off
• Subject Detection: Off
• AF+MF: On
• MF Assist: Peak
• Interlock Spot AE & Focus Area: On (no clue what this is)
• AF Range Limiter: Off
• Touch Screen Mode: Area (I'm not accidentally touching the screen and causing this issue)

My settings are the same, bar one: I use 117 focus points.

If Interlock Spot AE and Focus Area is On, then in Spot metering the meter value will be set according to where the AF box is placed in the frame (the AF box can be moved by the focus lever, or on the touch screen if enabled). That said, I tend to use Multi photometry so interlocking is not activated anyway.

As an aside, I too have subject, face, eye detection off as I believe (unscientifically) that fewer computing steps in the AF process leads to faster and more accurate focus. I prefer to place the green box on the subject and track it froim there. I use my XT5 for sports photos, including polo, kite surfing and cycle racing and found the AF to be fast, accurate and reliable.

It happened frequently when I went out for a walk. It's very sunny but I don't see why that would be an issue. That said, now when I test it indoors, I don't have the issue. Very strange!

Any thoughts? I have to have some setting off or am doing something wrong.

On the basis I cannot see a rogue setting, I go with Erik's theory (human interface) that one's nose is inadvertently touching the screen causing the issue. I have my screen turned Off (and on my X100VI). This is not because of this issue, but because I find it flakey in use and I cannot see a use for it for me.

Lastly, it may be a malfunction; you have two options. First, do a full reset and then reconfigure your settings (I have mine recorded on an excel sheet, but I believe the Fuji app will save them for later reloading). Second, if the advice here and a reset fail and then as it is a new camera, return and exchange it.

Thanks in advance!

Steve

P.S. I'm using the XF 16-50 f/2.8-4.8 with firmware 1.00. I see conflicting info on the web about whether there's a more recent firmware. When I checked Fuji's site, I didn't see any firmware update listed for this lens.

Mine too is v1. 00. It not listed on the Fuji UK firmware site inferring that it remains at v1.00.

Hope that helps.

 

[Erik Baumgartner]

This is almost always a nose on the touchscreen thing, it definitely still happens with your face away from the screen? Pretty sure the AF box ought to stay put with your settings and nothing touching the screen or joystick.

Did you try disabling the screen entirely to eliminate it from the equation? Maybe it’s faulty?

Thanks for the suggestion! My nose touching the screen does seem like the most likely culprit but I didn't feel like this was happening. I'll try it again holding the screen away from my face and see if it still happens. If it doesn't but it still happens when the screen is touching my face, I'll play around with the touch screen settings and worst case, turn them off.

Thanks again.

Steve

No problem, many of us have our screens turned completely off.

Just checked. You nailed it. I have two other cameras where I occasionally drag the focus point around with my right thumb on the rear screen while looking through the viewfinder. I’ve never had a problem with those but I realized both of them are rangefinder style cameras so my nose is always off the screen. Doh!

I’m left eye dominant, so, screwed with either EVF placement.

I like to have access to the functionality so I changed the area of the screen from the whole screen to just the right half. Problem solved.

I especially like the X-Tx cameras as they have plenty of customizable buttons and dials that allow me to completely avoid using the touchscreen and to still control the camera with almost never having to dive into a menu.

Thanks again for your help and to everyone else that added their comments and suggestions.

Steve

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[DJ STU-C]

Only one of my cameras has a touch screen, and I had the same experience for the first couple of months. I think it’s great for when you’re not using the EVF, but best turned off when you are.

 

[Truman Prevatt]

One would think since Fuji uses the eye sensor to determine if the eye is to the viewfinder that they would put in a F/W mod to disable touch screen when eye is at the viewfinder - thus eliminating the nose taking over the focus point problem. On my GFX100RF, there is an icon on the upper right of the display which can be used to rotate though settings for the touch screen, off, touch to focus and area. Seems like that might be a good feature to port to the X series.

 

[S. Miller]

One would think since Fuji uses the eye sensor to determine if the eye is to the viewfinder that they would put in a F/W mod to disable touch screen when eye is at the viewfinder - thus eliminating the nose taking over the focus point problem. On my GFX100RF, there is an icon on the upper right of the display which can be used to rotate though settings for the touch screen, off, touch to focus and area. Seems like that might be a good feature to port to the X series.

 

[S. Miller]

One would think since Fuji uses the eye sensor to determine if the eye is to the viewfinder that they would put in a F/W mod to disable touch screen when eye is at the viewfinder - thus eliminating the nose taking over the focus point problem. On my GFX100RF, there is an icon on the upper right of the display which can be used to rotate though settings for the touch screen, off, touch to focus and area. Seems like that might be a good feature to port to the X series.

Hi Truman,

Fuji lets you select which part of the back lcd screen can be used for the touch AF when you’re looking through the VF…at least that’s how I interpret it.

Regular touch AF on the back LCD can be active when you hold the camera away from your eye. You can configure it to either be: touch to select the af spot, touch to select the af spot and also take the shot, or you can totally disengage touch af altogether.

if while you’re looking through the EVF, you want to be able to use your thumb to drag the af box around the screen, you can select which area of the screen is active. When I first had the problem, I had set the whole screen to be active but I forgot that since the X-T5 isn’t a rangefinder style body, my nose was triggering the touch AF. I changed it so just the right side will pick up touch AF and it solved my problem. I also could have picked the top left or top right quadrants.

Unless I’m missing something, the two AF settings I described above are independent. The first is for general shooting when you’re using the LCD to compose, focus and shoot. The second is for when you’re looking through the EVF. I may be wrong but I think each setting is independent of the other…or worst case, if you want LCD touch functionality when shooting with just the LCD, you can totally turn off the touch functionality when shooting through the EVF. Or am I wrong?

Steve

Just checked. It works.

Go to Settings (wrench) -> Button/Dial Setting -> Touch Screen Setting -> EVF Touch Screen Area Settings -> you can choose one of eight options: full screen, left half, right half, each of the four quadrants, or OFF. This means you can have touch screen enabled for shooting with the LCD but also disable it when looking through the EVF.

However, if you turn off the back LCD (Touch Screen Setting: OFF), the EVF touch screen setting won't work and you can't drag your thumb to move the AF box while looking through the EVF (even if you have the EVF Touch Screen Setting set to one of the seven "on" options.

Steve

 

[jhorse]

One would think since Fuji uses the eye sensor to determine if the eye is to the viewfinder that they would put in a F/W mod to disable touch screen when eye is at the viewfinder - thus eliminating the nose taking over the focus point problem. On my GFX100RF, there is an icon on the upper right of the display which can be used to rotate though settings for the touch screen, off, touch to focus and area. Seems like that might be a good feature to port to the X series.

Hi Truman,

Fuji lets you select which part of the back lcd screen can be used for the touch AF when you’re looking through the VF…at least that’s how I interpret it.

Regular touch AF on the back LCD can be active when you hold the camera away from your eye. You can configure it to either be: touch to select the af spot, touch to select the af spot and also take the shot, or you can totally disengage touch af altogether.

if while you’re looking through the EVF, you want to be able to use your thumb to drag the af box around the screen, you can select which area of the screen is active. When I first had the problem, I had set the whole screen to be active but I forgot that since the X-T5 isn’t a rangefinder style body, my nose was triggering the touch AF. I changed it so just the right side will pick up touch AF and it solved my problem. I also could have picked the top left or top right quadrants.

Unless I’m missing something, the two AF settings I described above are independent. The first is for general shooting when you’re using the LCD to compose, focus and shoot. The second is for when you’re looking through the EVF. I may be wrong but I think each setting is independent of the other…or worst case, if you want LCD touch functionality when shooting with just the LCD, you can totally turn off the touch functionality when shooting through the EVF. Or am I wrong?

Steve

Just checked. It works.

Go to Settings (wrench) -> Button/Dial Setting -> Touch Screen Setting -> EVF Touch Screen Area Settings -> you can choose one of eight options: full screen, left half, right half, each of the four quadrants, or OFF. This means you can have touch screen enabled for shooting with the LCD but also disable it when looking through the EVF.

However, if you turn off the back LCD (Touch Screen Setting: OFF), the EVF touch screen setting won't work and you can't drag your thumb to move the AF box while looking through the EVF (even if you have the EVF Touch Screen Setting set to one of the seven "on" options.

Steve

If this post proves nothing else, it proves the value of DPR forums. In an era of digital complexity in photography (and other strands of life) with extensive menu options, a range of interdependent settings and mind-numbing explanations in the official manual, this forum unravels secrets from within!

 

[S. Miller]

One would think since Fuji uses the eye sensor to determine if the eye is to the viewfinder that they would put in a F/W mod to disable touch screen when eye is at the viewfinder - thus eliminating the nose taking over the focus point problem. On my GFX100RF, there is an icon on the upper right of the display which can be used to rotate though settings for the touch screen, off, touch to focus and area. Seems like that might be a good feature to port to the X series.

Hi Truman,

Fuji lets you select which part of the back lcd screen can be used for the touch AF when you’re looking through the VF…at least that’s how I interpret it.

Regular touch AF on the back LCD can be active when you hold the camera away from your eye. You can configure it to either be: touch to select the af spot, touch to select the af spot and also take the shot, or you can totally disengage touch af altogether.

if while you’re looking through the EVF, you want to be able to use your thumb to drag the af box around the screen, you can select which area of the screen is active. When I first had the problem, I had set the whole screen to be active but I forgot that since the X-T5 isn’t a rangefinder style body, my nose was triggering the touch AF. I changed it so just the right side will pick up touch AF and it solved my problem. I also could have picked the top left or top right quadrants.

Unless I’m missing something, the two AF settings I described above are independent. The first is for general shooting when you’re using the LCD to compose, focus and shoot. The second is for when you’re looking through the EVF. I may be wrong but I think each setting is independent of the other…or worst case, if you want LCD touch functionality when shooting with just the LCD, you can totally turn off the touch functionality when shooting through the EVF. Or am I wrong?

Steve

Just checked. It works.

Go to Settings (wrench) -> Button/Dial Setting -> Touch Screen Setting -> EVF Touch Screen Area Settings -> you can choose one of eight options: full screen, left half, right half, each of the four quadrants, or OFF. This means you can have touch screen enabled for shooting with the LCD but also disable it when looking through the EVF.

However, if you turn off the back LCD (Touch Screen Setting: OFF), the EVF touch screen setting won't work and you can't drag your thumb to move the AF box while looking through the EVF (even if you have the EVF Touch Screen Setting set to one of the seven "on" options.

Steve

If this post proves nothing else, it proves the value of DPR forums. In an era of digital complexity in photography (and other strands of life) with extensive menu options, a range of interdependent settings and mind-numbing explanations in the official manual, this forum unravels secrets from within!

 

[Truman Prevatt]

One would think since Fuji uses the eye sensor to determine if the eye is to the viewfinder that they would put in a F/W mod to disable touch screen when eye is at the viewfinder - thus eliminating the nose taking over the focus point problem. On my GFX100RF, there is an icon on the upper right of the display which can be used to rotate though settings for the touch screen, off, touch to focus and area. Seems like that might be a good feature to port to the X series.

Hi Truman,

Fuji lets you select which part of the back lcd screen can be used for the touch AF when you’re looking through the VF…at least that’s how I interpret it.

Regular touch AF on the back LCD can be active when you hold the camera away from your eye. You can configure it to either be: touch to select the af spot, touch to select the af spot and also take the shot, or you can totally disengage touch af altogether.

if while you’re looking through the EVF, you want to be able to use your thumb to drag the af box around the screen, you can select which area of the screen is active. When I first had the problem, I had set the whole screen to be active but I forgot that since the X-T5 isn’t a rangefinder style body, my nose was triggering the touch AF. I changed it so just the right side will pick up touch AF and it solved my problem. I also could have picked the top left or top right quadrants.

Unless I’m missing something, the two AF settings I described above are independent. The first is for general shooting when you’re using the LCD to compose, focus and shoot. The second is for when you’re looking through the EVF. I may be wrong but I think each setting is independent of the other…or worst case, if you want LCD touch functionality when shooting with just the LCD, you can totally turn off the touch functionality when shooting through the EVF. Or am I wrong?

Steve

Steve, I was "venting." When Fuji first introduced a touch screen - nose moving around focus point was a common issue. The reason was the defaults Fuji selected. I got so aggravated with the Fuji convoluted implementation I simply turned the touch screen off. Cameras have gotten more complex with more options with defaults that sometimes makes one scratch one's head and a manual that is of marginal help. It's not just Fuji. When I looked at my Z8 and looked that the piece of garbage Nikon called a manual, I ended up buying a Thom Hogan Ebook to aid in the set up. Hogan went over each settings - what they actually did and the defaults Nikon picked. The book is 1300 pages. The entire history of Russia does not require 1300 pages to write.

Even then I discovered one day in the field with the Z8 that there is a setting that determines if there are separate AF settings for vertical and horizontal orientation. I fame a shot vertically and my bird detection AF doesn't work. Get home and find out that was a setting I missed and the default was different settings. Thanks Nikon for the missed shot.

Clearly the OP missed the fact that his nose would move around the focus point impacting his use of the camera and didn't understand why it was happening. Sure the forum gave him a place to look and that is a very useful function of the forum. Since this has been an issue for years, my questions is why Fuji still has the defaults set the way they are sets.

Seems to me Fuji (and all camera companies) could do a better job with a) selecting their defaults for menu items and b) develop more useful training material. "Insanity is don't the same thing and expecting different results." Come on Fuji, how many people have to get a brand new camera, be excited to use it and find it is doing strange things for no apparent reason to them. Who would expect that when they put their brand new shiny camera to their eye that control of it would be taken over by their nose?

 

[S. Miller]

Steve, I was "venting." When Fuji first introduced a touch screen - nose moving around focus point was a common issue. The reason was the defaults Fuji selected. I got so aggravated with the Fuji convoluted implementation I simply turned the touch screen off. Cameras have gotten more complex with more options with defaults that sometimes makes one scratch one's head and a manual that is of marginal help. It's not just Fuji. When I looked at my Z8 and looked that the piece of garbage Nikon called a manual, I ended up buying a Thom Hogan Ebook to aid in the set up. Hogan went over each settings - what they actually did and the defaults Nikon picked. The book is 1300 pages. The entire history of Russia does not require 1300 pages to write.

I own a Z8. Incredible camera! Fortunately, I did know about that setting and actually find it to be invaluable when switching from horizontal to vertical shooting orientation when out in the field. But to your point, I had to find it to know about it!

Even then I discovered one day in the field with the Z8 that there is a setting that determines if there are separate AF settings for vertical and horizontal orientation. I fame a shot vertically and my bird detection AF doesn't work. Get home and find out that was a setting I missed and the default was different settings. Thanks Nikon for the missed shot.

Clearly the OP missed the fact that his nose would move around the focus point impacting his use of the camera and didn't understand why it was happening. Sure the forum gave him a place to look and that is a very useful function of the forum. Since this has been an issue for years, my questions is why Fuji still has the defaults set the way they are sets.

Hey! I resemble that OP…I’m him!

Seems to me Fuji (and all camera companies) could do a better job with a) selecting their defaults for menu items and b) develop more useful training material. "Insanity is don't the same thing and expecting different results." Come on Fuji, how many people have to get a brand new camera, be excited to use it and find it is doing strange things for no apparent reason to them. Who would expect that when they put their brand new shiny camera to their eye that control of it would be taken over by their nose?

Amen. Cameras are so complex these days. It’s always a challenge picking up a new system…except for Leica which because they don’t offer as many bells and whistles (good and bad depending on your viewpoint), are so much easier to setup and get shooting right away.

Steve

 

[Truman Prevatt]

Steve, I was "venting." When Fuji first introduced a touch screen - nose moving around focus point was a common issue. The reason was the defaults Fuji selected. I got so aggravated with the Fuji convoluted implementation I simply turned the touch screen off. Cameras have gotten more complex with more options with defaults that sometimes makes one scratch one's head and a manual that is of marginal help. It's not just Fuji. When I looked at my Z8 and looked that the piece of garbage Nikon called a manual, I ended up buying a Thom Hogan Ebook to aid in the set up. Hogan went over each settings - what they actually did and the defaults Nikon picked. The book is 1300 pages. The entire history of Russia does not require 1300 pages to write.

I own a Z8. Incredible camera! Fortunately, I did know about that setting and actually find it to be invaluable when switching from horizontal to vertical shooting orientation when out in the field. But to your point, I had to find it to know about it!

The GFX has the similar setting "Focus Mode by Orientation." Thankfully Fuji chose off for that default so no change with changing orientation.

I can see where it would be helpful - I just would have liked not to have to find in out in the field. I had spotted a large bald Eagle sitting on a dead tree snag in a swampy area on a very foggy morning. I had it framed AFC - eye focus locked on - in horizontal mode. I decided it would be better vertical. I switch and my AF was AFS, single point. Could not figure out why. By the time I changed it - he bird had decided to move on. Fortunately I had taken several shots in the horizontal mode.

I don't know if the X-T5 has a similar setting or not.

 

[S. Miller]

Steve, I was "venting." When Fuji first introduced a touch screen - nose moving around focus point was a common issue. The reason was the defaults Fuji selected. I got so aggravated with the Fuji convoluted implementation I simply turned the touch screen off. Cameras have gotten more complex with more options with defaults that sometimes makes one scratch one's head and a manual that is of marginal help. It's not just Fuji. When I looked at my Z8 and looked that the piece of garbage Nikon called a manual, I ended up buying a Thom Hogan Ebook to aid in the set up. Hogan went over each settings - what they actually did and the defaults Nikon picked. The book is 1300 pages. The entire history of Russia does not require 1300 pages to write.

I own a Z8. Incredible camera! Fortunately, I did know about that setting and actually find it to be invaluable when switching from horizontal to vertical shooting orientation when out in the field. But to your point, I had to find it to know about it!

The GFX has the similar setting "Focus Mode by Orientation." Thankfully Fuji chose off for that default so no change with changing orientation.

I can see where it would be helpful - I just would have liked not to have to find in out in the field. I had spotted a large bald Eagle sitting on a dead tree snag in a swampy area on a very foggy morning. I had it framed AFC - eye focus locked on - in horizontal mode. I decided it would be better vertical. I switch and my AF was AFS, single point. Could not figure out why. By the time I changed it - he bird had decided to move on. Fortunately I had taken several shots in the horizontal mode.

I don't know if the X-T5 has a similar setting or not.

Yep, the X-T5 has the same thing. It's "Store AF Mode by Orientation". Mine is set to ON, but I think that's because I changed it from the default "OFF" as I prefer the camera to remember the last settings from each orientation. For example, in vertical it may be set to a small single point focus box towards the top of the vertically oriented frame, while in horizontal, it may be more in the center or in one of the upper rule of thirds cross points.

I like that they offer this setting. I know Nikon has it and I'm guessing that most if not all brands do at this point.

Steve