Handling 5DSr images without the wait

[CaptureIT]

My PC is certainly in the high end bracket (M2 boot hard drive, 6-core processor, 32gb quad channel ram, GTX980Ti video and 4K monitor etc) yet I'm a little fed up of waiting for images to load and manipulate (on average 6 seconds to open a single .jpg from the store drive, 4.7 seconds for a 50.3mb jpg directly from the M2 drive). File transfer speed isn't the issue here as I can copy multiple images between drives in an instant.

I've been using my favourite PSP (Paint Shop Pro v9), the latest X8 version (no better) and Canon's own DPP. Previous experience with Photoshop was not good (browser not as fast/friendly and found I was unable to create my own toolbars). I'd hope to find something much faster these days that can be customized and is written to properly utilize the latest multi core processors & video cards (such as the lightening fast CUDA on Nvidia).

Any examples of load speed, unsharp mask speed etc for other packages ? (also give files size and what kind of drive it loaded from please).

Regards
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Formerly RichardE (heiwixivhx). Member since 2001.
Past - Various 35mm Film/slide, Fuji digitals, Canon D30, D60, 20D, 5D, 5DII, 5DIII.
Present - 5DSr, Sigma 50/1.4 DG A, Canon 24-70L f2.8 II, Canon RC-1/RC-6, 600EX-RT Flash, Rode Stereo Mic.

 

[hotdog321]

Those are big files, but 6 seconds for a jpeg sounds excessive. You might try reposting over in the PC Forum--there are some extremely knowledgeable and friendly folks over there.

 

[RedYeti]

I've never had to deal with 5DS RAW or JPEG files so I can't be sure, but 5-6 seconds sounds pretty slow to me even given the image sizes involved. It might be worth investigating that (run some SSD benchmarks, look at CPU load vs disk IO etc) to see if there is a problem with your hardware configuration. Does your SSD drive have the latest firmware? e.g. it might be fast for sequential copies but still stutter with other read access patterns.

Having said that, for rapid preview of JPG and RAW files, take a look at HoneyView (https://www.bandisoft.com/honeyview/) and Fast Picture Viewer (http://www.fastpictureviewer.com/). Among other things they're very useful for making that first pass through your photos to help quickly narrow down your keepers.

As far high performance as RAW editing goes, keep an eye on this product which is due out fairly soon: https://www.on1.com/apps/photo-raw/

 

[hotdog321]

For strict photo editing and captioning, it is hard to beat Photo Mechanic. I'm "only" shooting 22.2 meg raw + jpeg files, but Photo Mechanic displays and captions even a major shoot in seconds.

 

[Mike O'Neill]

I use Photoshop CS6 on a 3 year old HP Phoenix 800-030qe, 3.4Ghz, quad-core with 16GB ram and 3TB (non-SSD) drive.

A 12,997 KB image from my 5DSR opens from Windows Explorer (with CS6 already running) in 1.4 seconds. Unsharp mask takes 1.1 seconds.

 

[Blake Cook]

Photo Mechanic brings up sharpened RAW or jpgs images from a folder as fast as you press the arrow key. It seems the program continually pre-loads memory with the next few developed images in the folder. My MacbookPro has no problem keeping up with 5Ds RAW files.

There is a reason you will see nothing but Photo Mechanic in every press tent. Try thier demo.

--
Blake in Vancouver
Canon and Zeiss Stuff. Mac Stuff & annoying PC & Windows stuff.

 

[CaptureIT]

Thanks guys. I'm currently trying photo mechanic. Yes blazingly fast, handles raw files really quickly, good browser but very limited tools (no crop, resize or unsharp mask !?). I also like to easily compare file sizes (a quick indication of focus/detail level for burst shots), yet can't do that either (yet can quickly and easily in the PSP9 browser). It has great future promise but not a fast all in one package right now.

I'll also try photoshop again when I get the chance.


Regards
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Formerly RichardE (heiwixivhx). Member since 2001.
Past - Various 35mm Film/slide, Fuji digitals, Canon D30, D60, 20D, 5D, 5DII, 5DIII.
Present - 5DSr, Canon 24-70L f2.8 II, Canon RC-1/RC-6, 600EX-RT Flash, Rode Stereo Mic.

 

[Steve W]

For strict photo editing and captioning, it is hard to beat Photo Mechanic. I'm "only" shooting 22.2 meg raw + jpeg files, but Photo Mechanic displays and captions even a major shoot in seconds.

 

[Jon555]

To browse images I find the 64-bit version of Irfanview is good, I get about half a second an image. (I found the 32-bit version wasn't so hot.)

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Install the 64-bit version first and then the 64-bit plugins. BTW also check for updates as a new version is coming out soon including a change I requested, where the rename dialogue adds an option that allows Raw/JPG/Sidecar files all to be renamed at the same time.

 

[Rick Knepper]

My PC is certainly in the high end bracket (M2 boot hard drive, 6-core processor, 32gb quad channel ram, GTX980Ti video and 4K monitor etc) yet I'm a little fed up of waiting for images to load and manipulate (on average 6 seconds to open a single .jpg from the store drive, 4.7 seconds for a 50.3mb jpg directly from the M2 drive). File transfer speed isn't the issue here as I can copy multiple images between drives in an instant.

I've been using my favourite PSP (Paint Shop Pro v9), the latest X8 version (no better) and Canon's own DPP. Previous experience with Photoshop was not good (browser not as fast/friendly and found I was unable to create my own toolbars).

PS versions I have had in the past have/had the ability to put the features you want to use in panels on the side of the display. Better than a toolbar IMO although it is essentially the same thing.

I'd hope to find something much faster these days that can be customized and is written to properly utilize the latest multi core processors & video cards (such as the lightening fast CUDA on Nvidia).

Any examples of load speed,

Loading 5DsR RAW files, I get 1 second (or less) for Photoshop, about 2 seconds for DPP. I can load a 218 MB Tiff in PS in about the same time, 1 second. I have a circa 2014 computer build.

The only time a get a slowdown is when I am rendering video with Premiere and trying to do work in PS at the same time while I wait on the rendering. And, that is dependent on whether I am rendering mp4 files or wmv files.

unsharp mask speed

I don't understand this. These days, I use unsharp mask only for large radius "contrast" in the final stage of PPing when converting Tiffs to jpeg and it is buried in an action so I do not know what its speed is, but when I did use unsharp mask for sharpening back in the day, I do not recall any processing speed other then "a blink of the eye".

etc for other packages ? (also give files size and what kind of drive it loaded from please).

Regards
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Formerly RichardE (heiwixivhx). Member since 2001.
Past - Various 35mm Film/slide, Fuji digitals, Canon D30, D60, 20D, 5D, 5DII, 5DIII.
Present - 5DSr, Sigma 50/1.4 DG A, Canon 24-70L f2.8 II, Canon RC-1/RC-6, 600EX-RT Flash, Rode Stereo Mic.

 

[JackM]

Thanks guys. I'm currently trying photo mechanic. Yes blazingly fast, handles raw files really quickly, good browser but very limited tools (no crop, resize or unsharp mask !?). I also like to easily compare file sizes (a quick indication of focus/detail level for burst shots), yet can't do that either (yet can quickly and easily in the PSP9 browser). It has great future promise but not a fast all in one package right now.

I'll also try photoshop again when I get the chance.

Forget Photoshop for developing/managing quantities of images in one sitting. Photoshop is only for major surgery on one image at a time. Use Lightroom for your workflow. It's not going to be as fast as Photo Mechanic, but it has a ton more features. With LR I almost never need to go to Photoshop. Also LR is way better than DPP for extracting Dynamic Range.

 

[kings]

I have just tried to load a 75MB raw file downloaded from the review sample gallery (the chicken in oven picture if you need to know, and because I don't have the 5Dsr myself), my computer loaded me a 33% sized preview in 2-3 second from an SATA 4TB hard disk (not SSD) on my 4K monitor. My config:

i7 3770K 3.5Ghz + 16G DDR3 RAM (5+ yrs old) + nVidia GTX960 (< 1 yr old)

Running Gnome on Gentoo GNU/Linux with RawTherapee as my only raw convertor.

 

[Peter Kwok]

I was recently forced to upgrade from a 5DMk3 to 5Ds, due to theft of my Mk3. Everything took more than twice as long.

My PC is 4 years old with a 2.8 GHz Core i7-870 CPU, 16GB of RAM. The Lightroom catalog is stored on an internal 1TB SSD, and the raw and jpg files are stored on an external NAS over 1Gb Ethernet. I don't have a fast graphic card, just a GTX-750 driving a 4K monitor.

Other than local adjustment brush and export to jpg, everything else still seem instantaneous. Merging more than 4 photos for HDR or pano will crash Lightroom. Since I use the adjustment brush a lot, I am thinking about upgrading to the latest Core i7-6700K CPU.Perhaps, I may find time on a long weekend to swap motherboards.

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Peter Kwok
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WYSIWYG - If you don't like what you get, try to see differently.

 

[Oilman]

I have a high-end gaming machine but my specs are not that different from yours. 5DSr RAW images open instantaneously in LR and in about 1.5 seconds in ACR. JPGs are always instantaneous. Try opening the images in other programs. If you still have problem than you may have OS or hardware issues.

 

[Rick Knepper]

Forget Photoshop for developing/managing quantities of images in one sitting. Photoshop is only for major surgery on one image at a time. Use Lightroom for your workflow. It's not going to be as fast as Photo Mechanic, but it has a ton more features. With LR I almost never need to go to Photoshop. Also LR is way better than DPP for extracting Dynamic Range.

 

[JackM]

wow.

 

[Rick Knepper]

Sure, I would have elaborated earlier but I was at work.

I think it is bad advice to steer someone away from Photoshop. Obviously, you are monumentally under-utilizing PS. I am too, probably, but I learn something new and cool every week.

For the budget-minded, I agree that Lightroom is a great choice. But it is basically a RAW converter.

I would probably use LR and/or ACR for much of my PPing if

1.) Adobe would include the selection tools available in PS. I dislike using a brush to do local processing.

2.) Once I am in PS, I use actions extensively to automate my processing (with pauses of course to make necessary adjustments. So, if Adobe would include Actions in LR or ACR..

3.) Can't work without layers.

Having said this, I am not convinced that conversion to jpeg straight out of ACR produces the best jpeg so I would still be going to PS for this chore.

wow.

 

[Deak]

Hi Peter,

I am also considering an upgrade to the i7-6700K.

It should be a decent upgrade from my original generation i7 (620?)

Have you chosen a motherboard? I am considering the Gigabyte GA-Z170X-UD5 TH

Deak

 

[BlueCosmo5050]

When I did my 5DSR test, and actually just did another one recently although I didn't shoot the pictures, the raw files were sent to me, it wasn't a problem in Lightroom or Photoshop.

But I suspect it's because the type of SSD I have is doing like 900 write and 900 read. I have two MacBooks, both the top of the line models, both running two external monitors. The newer model, which has the SSD that Apple puts in it, which looks like a flash stick, is extremely fast. The older model, where I put a regular SSD in, one you would buy and put in a PC for example, is nowhere near as fast although it's rated as one of the fastest ones. Seems to be a big difference in the flash memory that connects in the new way rather than the regular SSD drives.

I do most things on the SSD drives and then it goes to an external 7200 Rpm drive when I'm done. But even when I open it up in that it doesn't seem too bad. However I don't have droves of 5DSR files, so if I owned one my experience might be different.

 

[BlueCosmo5050]

Sure, I would have elaborated earlier but I was at work.

I think it is bad advice to steer someone away from Photoshop. Obviously, you are monumentally under-utilizing PS. I am too, probably, but I learn something new and cool every week.

For the budget-minded, I agree that Lightroom is a great choice. But it is basically a RAW converter.

I would probably use LR and/or ACR for much of my PPing if

1.) Adobe would include the selection tools available in PS. I dislike using a brush to do local processing.

2.) Once I am in PS, I use actions extensively to automate my processing (with pauses of course to make necessary adjustments. So, if Adobe would include Actions in LR or ACR..

3.) Can't work without layers.

Having said this, I am not convinced that conversion to jpeg straight out of ACR produces the best jpeg so I would still be going to PS for this chore.

wow.

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Once you've done fifty, everything else is iffy.

I tested that theory before because I wondered myself. I really couldn't find an advantage in the .Jpeg from Photoshop, even with downsizing. The new Lightroom export options for sharpening just seem to be extremely intelligent. More so than I thought it could be.

I like the brush's in Photoshop better too but it depends on how much work a photo needs. If it only needs a few things I just do it in Lightroom.

But it seems better to me, even if I don't use Lightroom on a Photo to work out of Lightroom and open it from Photoshop from there. Because all you're doing really is Adobe Camera Raw in a GUI that is more organized and then from there when you open into Photoshop, you can set it however you want it, and it's the same as opening ACR into photoshop.

Then when you just want to scroll through some images, not only is the organization really good, but the previews, 1:1 previews if you need them, the way the cache system works, it's extremely fast.

A lot of my Landscapes are done with Aurora HDR and I still go from Lightroom and then use the plug in, and click open original raw files in Aurora. It doesn't make me turn them into .Tiff files. But once I save it in Aurora it still goes back into Lightroom nice and organized. Also will start building a preview of it at multiple sizes.

They've put a lot more work into it than Adobe Bridge, so much so that I just deleted Adobe Bridge and went all Lightroom. Especially on the latest edition of Lightroom.

I like the Catalog system, although I do have it saving the .XML file, which is in the Lightroom preferences, so if the Catalog goes it won't matter.

I also like how I have my file I develop in Lightroom, like ACR, and then I open in Photoshop to use brush's and do actions and when I save it, it will save as a new file that I can choose to either stack on top of the one that is just ACR or put right beside it.

I realize you can save it in ACR like that as well and then another copy in Photoshop. But it's just a lot more organized the way it works.

The tools have gotten better. And of course any of them are basically like working in layers, they are just mask but you can see over on the left side where they are, turn them on and off, etc.

I find that the healing brush tool for example, of course much better in Photoshop but only needed if I'm going to do more than like 50-70 strokes. Because at that point Lightroom will slow down and Photoshop won't.

The way they have Photoshop/Lightroom paired today it's just mated so perfectly that I can't imagine not using it at this point.