GFX100RF size argument

Hell, I don't keep raw files anymore. Process them, and hit the delete. Storing 15-40MB jpegs is not a huge deal.
Maybe a reason to keep RAW files...

I have a friend who discovered that his catalogue is full of good work from many years ago that he had written off because it looked terrible to him many years later. The issue turned out to be a preset that he was applying on import back then in Lightroom. At the time he didn't know better, and because it was an import preset that he no longer had on his computer, it wasn't obvious what it had done. When he started from scratch, he discovered some excellent images again.

I keep my RAW files because storage is cheap. And I mean all of them -- every one I've created, and all the ones in my catalogue that I actually processed. It probably doesn't make sense, but I have lots of old bare drives and I don't make 100s of thousands of pictures each year like some folks.
Never ever throw away a negative. One never knows when one can get creative and tell a story with an old negative or use an old negative as the part of the story. RAW is the negative in the digital age.

Storage is dirt cheap. I only grouse because after we get home, my project is to make sense with our network, our storage and our back up. Part of the problem is my wife - but I won't go into that. Back up is in good shape, I have a back up server. However, main storage is a hodge hodge that needs organized. I live in FL where every power company goes by the name FL flash and flicker. I've had surges spark through a batter back up, fry the battery back up and electronics on the other side. While Jim's solution looks cool, I would never trust that much storage in one box to FL flash and flicker. They are rushing to harden the power grid. However, I live less than 100 miles where NASA does It's lightning resistant testing - hardening our lines will require much more than what I see installed.

A man looking for a solution.
 
Right now it is figuring out the best workflow for GFX files to get high quality 16x20 prints without having to buy a disk farm.
40 TB of SSD storage above the Mac. FW and 10GbE interfaces.
40 TB of SSD storage above the Mac. FW and 10GbE interfaces.
Hell, I don't keep raw files anymore. Process them, and hit the delete. Storing 15-40MB jpegs is not a huge deal.
I keep raw files. As new process versions of Lr/ACR come out, you can upgrade the processing with a click of a mouse -- even for entire directories -- it you want. I never store JPEGs for reuse; just PSDs, PSBs, and TIFFs. Every time you modify and save a JPEG file, you rerun the lossy discrete cosine transform algorithm all over again; that's IQ loss you don't need.
Several years ago I remember reading a test done by a photographer on the internet on Jpeg compression. His conclusion was that a Jpeg could be opened and saved 10 times before there was any noticeable difference viewing at 100%. If i remember right, he used a 20 mpx file.
 
Right now it is figuring out the best workflow for GFX files to get high quality 16x20 prints without having to buy a disk farm.
40 TB of SSD storage above the Mac. FW and 10GbE interfaces.
40 TB of SSD storage above the Mac. FW and 10GbE interfaces.
Hell, I don't keep raw files anymore. Process them, and hit the delete. Storing 15-40MB jpegs is not a huge deal.
I keep raw files. As new process versions of Lr/ACR come out, you can upgrade the processing with a click of a mouse -- even for entire directories -- it you want. I never store JPEGs for reuse; just PSDs, PSBs, and TIFFs. Every time you modify and save a JPEG file, you rerun the lossy discrete cosine transform algorithm all over again; that's IQ loss you don't need.
Several years ago I remember reading a test done by a photographer on the internet on Jpeg compression. His conclusion was that a Jpeg could be opened and saved 10 times before there was any noticeable difference viewing at 100%. If i remember right, he used a 20 mpx file.
JPEG was designed so that it was possible for it to be recompressible if no changes are made. I don't think all implementations respect that. But the trouble starts when you make changes with each iteration.

Was the test documented in sufficient detail so as to be reproducible? What is the definition of the word noticeable above?

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Right now it is figuring out the best workflow for GFX files to get high quality 16x20 prints without having to buy a disk farm.
40 TB of SSD storage above the Mac. FW and 10GbE interfaces.
40 TB of SSD storage above the Mac. FW and 10GbE interfaces.
Hell, I don't keep raw files anymore. Process them, and hit the delete. Storing 15-40MB jpegs is not a huge deal.
I keep raw files. As new process versions of Lr/ACR come out, you can upgrade the processing with a click of a mouse -- even for entire directories -- it you want. I never store JPEGs for reuse; just PSDs, PSBs, and TIFFs. Every time you modify and save a JPEG file, you rerun the lossy discrete cosine transform algorithm all over again; that's IQ loss you don't need.
Several years ago I remember reading a test done by a photographer on the internet on Jpeg compression. His conclusion was that a Jpeg could be opened and saved 10 times before there was any noticeable difference viewing at 100%. If i remember right, he used a 20 mpx file.
JPEG was designed so that it was possible for it to be recompressible if no changes are made. I don't think all implementations respect that. But the trouble starts when you make changes with each iteration.

Was the test documented in sufficient detail so as to be reproducible? What is the definition of the word noticeable above?
I do not recall.
 
I keep raw files. As new process versions of Lr/ACR come out, you can upgrade the processing with a click of a mouse -- even for entire directories -- it you want. I never store JPEGs for reuse; just PSDs, PSBs, and TIFFs. Every time you modify and save a JPEG file, you rerun the lossy discrete cosine transform algorithm all over again; that's IQ loss you don't need.
I shoot in raw only and process them in LR. I've kept my raw files (thousands of them) for more than a decade, only time I touched them when I considered rebuy a camera and checked the overall IQ and processing headroom of the images, but I can always find some raw files online for this purpose.
 
I was just comparing sizes on camerasize.com, and fuji XE 5 + 18mm f2 has almost exactly the same depth as GFX100 RF. But you will lose a native 4:3 sensor, weather-sealing and high megapixels. You will gain IBIS and slightly more light gathering ability, albeit with slightly wider angle of view.

https://camerasize.com/compact/#951.572,919,943,ha,t
 
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Hell, I don't keep raw files anymore. Process them, and hit the delete. Storing 15-40MB jpegs is not a huge deal.
Maybe a reason to keep RAW files...

I have a friend who discovered that his catalogue is full of good work from many years ago that he had written off because it looked terrible to him many years later. The issue turned out to be a preset that he was applying on import back then in Lightroom. At the time he didn't know better, and because it was an import preset that he no longer had on his computer, it wasn't obvious what it had done. When he started from scratch, he discovered some excellent images again.

I keep my RAW files because storage is cheap. And I mean all of them -- every one I've created, and all the ones in my catalogue that I actually processed. It probably doesn't make sense, but I have lots of old bare drives and I don't make 100s of thousands of pictures each year like some folks.
How many do you shoot out of interest. I know it's not a competition, but I do like to think I'm keeping productive :-)

Looking at my library, these days I shoot about 200 fully edited keepers per month.

This is not the same as portfolio grade images, but pictures I'm sufficiently happy with to want to keep in my library. I put white borders around my finished images to remind myself which ones I've finished editing.

I delete all the variations and alternatives once I'm happy with the keepers, as I find I'm overwhelmed with too many images and I don't want unused frames, failures and duplicates cluttering up my library. I like to be to review my images knowing that everything that is there is worth hanging on to. I sometimes find that with the passage of time even some of the weaker of my keepers gain some value. It's interesting how an image can be too fresh in your mind shortly after shooting it and maybe you don't appreciate it at first.

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I was just comparing sizes on camerasize.com, and fuji XE 5 + 18mm f2 has almost exactly the same depth as GFX100 RF. But you will lose a native 4:3 sensor, weather-sealing and high megapixels. You will gain IBIS and slightly more light gathering ability, albeit with slightly wider angle of view.

https://camerasize.com/compact/#951.572,919,943,ha,t
And at any focal length longer than about 40mm equivalent, the X-E5 will have higher resolution...

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Website: https://www.whisperingcat.co.uk/wp/
DPReview gallery: https://www.dpreview.com/galleries/0286305481
Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmillier/ (very old!)
 
I was just comparing sizes on camerasize.com, and fuji XE 5 + 18mm f2 has almost exactly the same depth as GFX100 RF. But you will lose a native 4:3 sensor, weather-sealing and high megapixels. You will gain IBIS and slightly more light gathering ability, albeit with slightly wider angle of view.
Angle of view is the same, and light gathering is also the same.

The RF’s lens is sharper and more uniform across the frame than the 18/2, which has more character to it. The 100RF obviously has more pixels, but that’s only really a cropping benefit, and once you put any lens longer than 28mm on the X-E5, the 100RF actually loses in the pixel fight.

The 100RF does have a far better viewfinder than the X-E5.

I sold my 100RF for the X-E5.
 
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I was just comparing sizes on camerasize.com, and fuji XE 5 + 18mm f2 has almost exactly the same depth as GFX100 RF. But you will lose a native 4:3 sensor, weather-sealing and high megapixels. You will gain IBIS and slightly more light gathering ability, albeit with slightly wider angle of view.
Angle of view is the same, and light gathering is also the same.

The RF’s lens is sharper and more uniform across the frame than the 18/2, which has more character to it. The 100RF obviously has more pixels, but that’s only really a cropping benefit, and once you put any lens longer than 28mm on the X-E5, the 100RF actually loses in the pixel fight.

The 100RF does have a far better viewfinder than the X-E5.

I sold my 100RF for the X-E5.
Bit surprised to see this, I will be interested on your take on the x-e5 vs the RF. I am renting an x-h2 (trying to consolidate around one brand) and I don't like it as much as the RF, even though there are some advantages.

I have the x-h2 for a few more days, but the lenses are going to need to be better for me to move off of my a7cr.
 
Hi,

We did one at IBM as well. Originally, it was to be used by field engineers by way of a radio link for the 3720 terminal operation. But, obviously, they sold it as a regular PC with a handle. The 5155.

Luggable, indeed.

At least it had a handle. The original 5100 and 5110, called Portable Computers (as opposed to Personal) did not have a handle. :P

After the Luggable, we quickly made use of all CMOS components and really slimmed it all down into the 5140 Convertable. Also had a radio module option to be a mobile 3270 terminal. At least now it was far easier to carry. And it even had a battery.

And, a handle, which doubled as a wrist rest for the keyboard. ;)

Stan
 
I was just comparing sizes on camerasize.com, and fuji XE 5 + 18mm f2 has almost exactly the same depth as GFX100 RF. But you will lose a native 4:3 sensor, weather-sealing and high megapixels. You will gain IBIS and slightly more light gathering ability, albeit with slightly wider angle of view.

https://camerasize.com/compact/#951.572,919,943,ha,t
Other alternatives:



54d72ec552ae49c9974ddea15fb6a7fc.jpg



The GFX100RF's main advantage is the cropping ability, at 63mm you have still high resolution 20MP images, and you start from 28mm. If you are not using this ability, as you see there are lot of other alternatives, GX9+14 f1.7 has a same image as GFX100RF but with 20MP, also I like the CL for that thin compact size with EVF. Overall hard to beat the X100VI because of the size as a second carry-around, vacation camera, I'd go for it instead of X-E5, I have an A7III for shallow DOF photography but it requires quite big lenses.
 
How many do you shoot out of interest. I know it's not a competition, but I do like to think I'm keeping productive :-)
I'm not a high volume person.

In 2024, I stored 4,767 RAFs in the place where I keep everything.

Of those, 4,158 are still in my LR catalogue; the rest I culled because there was something technically wrong with them. This number includes LCC exposures for my 35mm, so they will be deleted eventually. I don't flat stitch a lot, but I did a few times so some of these are also component images from a flat stitch; they'll be deleted too.

Of those 4,158 files, I assigned a lens and aperture information to only 359. That means the rest were either total failures, or versions that weren't as good as the ones I assigned lenses.

I rated 245 of the 359; the 114 I didn't rated are likely heading to the delete bin when I get around to cleaning up 2024.

Of the 245 that got a lens and a rating (which means good enough to process), 67 are rated 1 or 2 stars, which means they're not strong; I may "promote" some of these, so I won't delete them until I'm sure. The majority (145) are 3 stars -- good enough to use and show; these are often "workmanlike" images. There are 28 photographs I rated with 4-stars, which means I think they're very good. I only rated 5 images with 5 stars; based on past practice, some of those will be demoted. My entire catalogue only has 10 images that I rated with 5 stars.

This volume is typical for me when I have a big project on the go.
Looking at my library, these days I shoot about 200 fully edited keepers per month.

This is not the same as portfolio grade images, but pictures I'm sufficiently happy with to want to keep in my library. I put white borders around my finished images to remind myself which ones I've finished editing.

I delete all the variations and alternatives once I'm happy with the keepers, as I find I'm overwhelmed with too many images and I don't want unused frames, failures and duplicates cluttering up my library.
I'm the same. I cleaned up 2023 so there are only 281 pictures from that year.
I like to be to review my images knowing that everything that is there is worth hanging on to. I sometimes find that with the passage of time even some of the weaker of my keepers gain some value. It's interesting how an image can be too fresh in your mind shortly after shooting it and maybe you don't appreciate it at first.
One of the reasons I like using LR is the database functionality. It helps me sift and sort and review. I find it very useful to do regular reviews of what I considered to be the stronger work.

I can't think of many occasions where I've gone back to finished images and promoted them after years have passed. Much more common is demotions! Quite a few images that I rated 5 stars have dropped a star or two with the passage of time.
 
I sold my 100RF for the X-E5.
Bit surprised to see this, I will be interested on your take on the x-e5 vs the RF.
My issues with the 100RF were really around the details of how Fuji implemented the aspect ratios and zoom crops, which got in the way of using it how I wanted to. That left it as a straight up 28mm equivalent camera, which isn’t what I wanted.

I know what the downsides of the change will be. In descending order of importance to me they are: the significantly smaller EVF; the loss of 65:24; more noise at high ISO; and an audible shutter.

But the upsides, in no particular order, will be: the ability to use my most-used focal lengths without having to reconfigure the crop every time I switch the camera on; better (though still somewhat muddled) handling of recipes; IBIS; and—even after losing about £1000 by selling the RF—having £2200 back in my pocket.

I will have to wait another month to know whether there are any other quirks I’ve not anticipated 🙂
 
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I was just comparing sizes on camerasize.com, and fuji XE 5 + 18mm f2 has almost exactly the same depth as GFX100 RF. But you will lose a native 4:3 sensor, weather-sealing and high megapixels. You will gain IBIS and slightly more light gathering ability, albeit with slightly wider angle of view.

https://camerasize.com/compact/#951.572,919,943,ha,t
Other alternatives:

54d72ec552ae49c9974ddea15fb6a7fc.jpg

The GFX100RF's main advantage is the cropping ability, at 63mm you have still high resolution 20MP images, and you start from 28mm. If you are not using this ability, as you see there are lot of other alternatives, GX9+14 f1.7 has a same image as GFX100RF but with 20MP, also I like the CL for that thin compact size with EVF. Overall hard to beat the X100VI because of the size as a second carry-around, vacation camera, I'd go for it instead of X-E5, I have an A7III for shallow DOF photography but it requires quite big lenses.
Camera size is good for giving you an idea about the size, but I always find when I get the bodies in hand, there is a marked difference in how the camera ACTUALLY feels in hand vs what I thought it would be from the photos.

I have shot with all of the cameras in the bottom photo except the x-e5 and the CL, and the only one I kept is the RF. The only one I have regrets about selling is the Canon, which with that 22mm lens would have been perfect with a proper corner EVF, but that isn't Canon's way.

I can tell you in practice, the GX9+15 and the Sony RX1xx feel much thicker than the RF.
 
"I can't think of many occasions where I've gone back to finished images and promoted them after years have passed. Much more common is demotions! Quite a few images that I rated 5 stars have dropped a star or two with the passage of time."

Yes, it works both ways :-)
 
I sold my 100RF for the X-E5.
Bit surprised to see this, I will be interested on your take on the x-e5 vs the RF.
My issues with the 100RF were really around the details of how Fuji implemented the aspect ratios and zoom crops, which got in the way of using it how I wanted to. That left it as a straight up 28mm equivalent camera, which isn’t what I wanted.

I know what the downsides of the change will be. In descending order of importance to me they are: the significantly smaller EVF; the loss of 65:24; more noise at high ISO; and an audible shutter.

But the upsides, in no particular order, will be: the ability to use my most-used focal lengths without having to reconfigure the crop every time I switch the camera on; better (though still somewhat muddled) handling of recipes; IBIS; and—even after losing about £1000 by selling the RF—having £2200 back in my pocket.

I will have to wait another month to know whether there are any other quirks I’ve not anticipated 🙂
I understand. To be honest the reconfiguring the crop didn't bother me until you noticed it. :-), but now it does and I am hoping Fuji does a FW update to add it to the lock screen.

But I really enjoy everything else about the RF... I really know what I need to compliment it now, either an a1c in an FX2 body, or some better glass for the x-h2(s).
 
"I can't think of many occasions where I've gone back to finished images and promoted them after years have passed. Much more common is demotions! Quite a few images that I rated 5 stars have dropped a star or two with the passage of time."

Yes, it works both ways :-)
Partly it's a "me" thing. I'm hard to please when it comes to my own work.

It's the same with writing. If I read something I wrote 10 years ago and still think it's good, that's a bad sign because it means I'm still making those mistakes, or more charitably, not getting better.
 
Camera size is good for giving you an idea about the size, but I always find when I get the bodies in hand, there is a marked difference in how the camera ACTUALLY feels in hand vs what I thought it would be from the photos.
I have shot with all of the cameras in the bottom photo except the x-e5 and the CL, and the only one I kept is the RF. The only one I have regrets about selling is the Canon, which with that 22mm lens would have been perfect with a proper corner EVF, but that isn't Canon's way.
I can tell you in practice, the GX9+15 and the Sony RX1xx feel much thicker than the RF.
The weight distribution is as important as size. I'd put lens stick out and weight distribution over the overall size, this two is the most important factor. And in this term GFX100RF, CL and M6 are clearly better than others, but I think X100VI is the champion in this term if we don't consider Ricoh GR.
 
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