Getting my prints to look like my screen

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Guys and Girls,

I've been battling matching output for the past year now.At one stage I got a fairly close match by eye, printing off and adjusting the monitor etc.
I've tried to go the route of icc and have read up a little about them.
I am using the following:
A Gateway branded Mitsubishi 2020 monitor

Which I have set on 6500Kelvin contrast +100%Brightness +15% colour 3 on the RGBR-gain +77%Ggain +68% B gain +57%
I have a G-force 2 graphics card and an Epson 1290 printer

I have tried setting graphics/monitor to Adobe RGB1998 or DP202065(the 6500K setting) downloaded from the Mitsubishi site.
I then chose the same option for the printer.

I normally print from PS7.I now use the latest colour space as a working profile.
The output looks fine onscreen in print preview.
Purple flowers end up as pink when it comes out of the printer.
I haven't got a spyder nor do I have any access to one.
Anyone got any ideas?
Yours despairingly,
--
DaveMart
 
Guys and Girls,
I've been battling matching output for the past year now.At one
stage I got a fairly close match by eye, printing off and adjusting
the monitor etc.
I've tried to go the route of icc and have read up a little about
them.
I am using the following:
A Gateway branded Mitsubishi 2020 monitor
Which I have set on 6500Kelvin contrast +100%Brightness +15% colour
3 on the RGBR-gain +77%Ggain +68% B gain +57%
I have a G-force 2 graphics card and an Epson 1290 printer
I have tried setting graphics/monitor to Adobe RGB1998 or
DP202065(the 6500K setting) downloaded from the Mitsubishi site.
I then chose the same option for the printer.
I normally print from PS7.I now use the latest colour space as a
working profile.
The output looks fine onscreen in print preview.
Purple flowers end up as pink when it comes out of the printer.
I haven't got a spyder nor do I have any access to one.
Anyone got any ideas?
Yours despairingly,
--
DaveMart
Anyone at all fancy taking a crack at this?
Any input at all gratefully received.
Thanks.
--
DaveMart
 
You have to keep in mind that because printed colors are made by substracting Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, and black from white, as opposed to adding Red, Green, and Blue to black on your monitor, some colors will never look like those on your monitor (NEVER EVER!)

To see if a color can be printed on a CMYK printer you can open your picture in Photoshop and open the Color Picker window. Then click with the picker in the image on the color that gives you trouble. If your color is out of the printer's color space, then a small triangular alert sign will appear in the top right area of the color picker window (immediately to the left of the buttons) with a small colored square under it. The color of the square is the closest color that the printer can print.

If you do a lot of color adjustements just for printing, then it it wise to convert your image from RGB to CMYK colorspace (in Photoshop: Image> Mode> CMYK color). This will ensure that the image will only contain printable colors (and you'll see that many blue shades will become more purple, like you say).

You can find this and more information in Photoshop help files - search for "working with color."

ICC route is the most reliable if you learn how to use it. Professional print shops never match colors on the monitor and printer, they just print proofs, and adjust colors looking at the proofs.

Torte
Guys and Girls,
I've been battling matching output for the past year now.At one
stage I got a fairly close match by eye, printing off and adjusting
the monitor etc.
I've tried to go the route of icc and have read up a little about
them.
I am using the following:
A Gateway branded Mitsubishi 2020 monitor
Which I have set on 6500Kelvin contrast +100%Brightness +15% colour
3 on the RGBR-gain +77%Ggain +68% B gain +57%
I have a G-force 2 graphics card and an Epson 1290 printer
I have tried setting graphics/monitor to Adobe RGB1998 or
DP202065(the 6500K setting) downloaded from the Mitsubishi site.
I then chose the same option for the printer.
I normally print from PS7.I now use the latest colour space as a
working profile.
The output looks fine onscreen in print preview.
Purple flowers end up as pink when it comes out of the printer.
I haven't got a spyder nor do I have any access to one.
Anyone got any ideas?
Yours despairingly,
--
DaveMart
 
There are around a thousand factors (mild exaggeration) that could cause this, so any responses are likely to be guesswork without more information. Maybe the biggest unknown is the type, brand and model of printer you're using. Once you pass on that information, someone who uses that printer might be able to provide more detailed assistance.

One quick suggestion off the top of my head: Are you sure you're not assigning a print profile in Photoshop (via the "Print with Preview" route) AND telling your printer to perform color management from the print driver? If so, the results are almost guaranteed to be wrong. Be sure to either color-management in Photoshop, or color manage in the print driver, but never both. That was the key that resolved these sorts of issues in my case (Photoshop 7.0 and Canon S9000). In my case, I let Photoshop do the color management and set the printer to take whatever PS throws at it.

Hope this helps!

--Larry
Guys and Girls,
I've been battling matching output for the past year now.At one
stage I got a fairly close match by eye, printing off and adjusting
the monitor etc.
I've tried to go the route of icc and have read up a little about
them.
I am using the following:
A Gateway branded Mitsubishi 2020 monitor
Which I have set on 6500Kelvin contrast +100%Brightness +15% colour
3 on the RGBR-gain +77%Ggain +68% B gain +57%
I have a G-force 2 graphics card and an Epson 1290 printer
I have tried setting graphics/monitor to Adobe RGB1998 or
DP202065(the 6500K setting) downloaded from the Mitsubishi site.
I then chose the same option for the printer.
I normally print from PS7.I now use the latest colour space as a
working profile.
The output looks fine onscreen in print preview.
Purple flowers end up as pink when it comes out of the printer.
I haven't got a spyder nor do I have any access to one.
Anyone got any ideas?
Yours despairingly,
--
DaveMart
Anyone at all fancy taking a crack at this?
Any input at all gratefully received.
Thanks.
--
DaveMart
 
Not sure how the Epson works, but with my HP printer (722) I have to use Image color Matching (ICM). This feature is activated in the printer driver (print setup) for the HP. In my image editor (Photo Impact), I tell it to use ICM also and select the HP color profile. This matches what I see on the screen to what I print.

Inbound, I have ocasionally used DIVU, but mostly edit directly in Photo Impact for the effect I want. ICM takes care of the printing. I would have guessed Epson had ICM or a similar feature?

Good luck,
Richard.
Guys and Girls,
I've been battling matching output for the past year now.At one
stage I got a fairly close match by eye, printing off and adjusting
the monitor etc.
I've tried to go the route of icc and have read up a little about
them.
I am using the following:
A Gateway branded Mitsubishi 2020 monitor
Which I have set on 6500Kelvin contrast +100%Brightness +15% colour
3 on the RGBR-gain +77%Ggain +68% B gain +57%
I have a G-force 2 graphics card and an Epson 1290 printer
I have tried setting graphics/monitor to Adobe RGB1998 or
DP202065(the 6500K setting) downloaded from the Mitsubishi site.
I then chose the same option for the printer.
I normally print from PS7.I now use the latest colour space as a
working profile.
The output looks fine onscreen in print preview.
Purple flowers end up as pink when it comes out of the printer.
I haven't got a spyder nor do I have any access to one.
Anyone got any ideas?
Yours despairingly,
--
DaveMart
Anyone at all fancy taking a crack at this?
Any input at all gratefully received.
Thanks.
--
DaveMart
--
Richard B.
S404 gallery http://www.ericksonbird.com/samples
 
Sorry, I missed your mention of the printer (Epson 1290). I've never used Epson printers, but others hopefuly will be able to assist.

--Larry
One quick suggestion off the top of my head: Are you sure you're
not assigning a print profile in Photoshop (via the "Print with
Preview" route) AND telling your printer to perform color
management from the print driver? If so, the results are almost
guaranteed to be wrong. Be sure to either color-management in
Photoshop, or color manage in the print driver, but never both.
That was the key that resolved these sorts of issues in my case
(Photoshop 7.0 and Canon S9000). In my case, I let Photoshop do the
color management and set the printer to take whatever PS throws at
it.

Hope this helps!

--Larry
Guys and Girls,
I've been battling matching output for the past year now.At one
stage I got a fairly close match by eye, printing off and adjusting
the monitor etc.
I've tried to go the route of icc and have read up a little about
them.
I am using the following:
A Gateway branded Mitsubishi 2020 monitor
Which I have set on 6500Kelvin contrast +100%Brightness +15% colour
3 on the RGBR-gain +77%Ggain +68% B gain +57%
I have a G-force 2 graphics card and an Epson 1290 printer
I have tried setting graphics/monitor to Adobe RGB1998 or
DP202065(the 6500K setting) downloaded from the Mitsubishi site.
I then chose the same option for the printer.
I normally print from PS7.I now use the latest colour space as a
working profile.
The output looks fine onscreen in print preview.
Purple flowers end up as pink when it comes out of the printer.
I haven't got a spyder nor do I have any access to one.
Anyone got any ideas?
Yours despairingly,
--
DaveMart
Anyone at all fancy taking a crack at this?
Any input at all gratefully received.
Thanks.
--
DaveMart
--

--Larry
 
This is the opposite approach to the one I use, and can also give great results. Just don't use ICM at the same time as you assign a printer profile in Photoshop.

--Larry
Inbound, I have ocasionally used DIVU, but mostly edit directly in
Photo Impact for the effect I want. ICM takes care of the printing.
I would have guessed Epson had ICM or a similar feature?

Good luck,
Richard.
Guys and Girls,
I've been battling matching output for the past year now.At one
stage I got a fairly close match by eye, printing off and adjusting
the monitor etc.
I've tried to go the route of icc and have read up a little about
them.
I am using the following:
A Gateway branded Mitsubishi 2020 monitor
Which I have set on 6500Kelvin contrast +100%Brightness +15% colour
3 on the RGBR-gain +77%Ggain +68% B gain +57%
I have a G-force 2 graphics card and an Epson 1290 printer
I have tried setting graphics/monitor to Adobe RGB1998 or
DP202065(the 6500K setting) downloaded from the Mitsubishi site.
I then chose the same option for the printer.
I normally print from PS7.I now use the latest colour space as a
working profile.
The output looks fine onscreen in print preview.
Purple flowers end up as pink when it comes out of the printer.
I haven't got a spyder nor do I have any access to one.
Anyone got any ideas?
Yours despairingly,
--
DaveMart
Anyone at all fancy taking a crack at this?
Any input at all gratefully received.
Thanks.
--
DaveMart
--
Richard B.
S404 gallery http://www.ericksonbird.com/samples
--

--Larry
 
To see if a color can be printed on a CMYK printer you can open
your picture in Photoshop and open the Color Picker window. Then
click with the picker in the image on the color that gives you
trouble. If your color is out of the printer's color space, then a
small triangular alert sign will appear in the top right area of
the color picker window (immediately to the left of the buttons)
with a small colored square under it. The color of the square is
the closest color that the printer can print.

If you do a lot of color adjustements just for printing, then it it
wise to convert your image from RGB to CMYK colorspace (in
Photoshop: Image> Mode> CMYK color). This will ensure that the
image will only contain printable colors (and you'll see that many
blue shades will become more purple, like you say).

You can find this and more information in Photoshop help files -
search for "working with color."

ICC route is the most reliable if you learn how to use it.
Professional print shops never match colors on the monitor and
printer, they just print proofs, and adjust colors looking at the
proofs.

Torte
Guys and Girls,
I've been battling matching output for the past year now.At one
stage I got a fairly close match by eye, printing off and adjusting
the monitor etc.
I've tried to go the route of icc and have read up a little about
them.
I am using the following:
A Gateway branded Mitsubishi 2020 monitor
Which I have set on 6500Kelvin contrast +100%Brightness +15% colour
3 on the RGBR-gain +77%Ggain +68% B gain +57%
I have a G-force 2 graphics card and an Epson 1290 printer
I have tried setting graphics/monitor to Adobe RGB1998 or
DP202065(the 6500K setting) downloaded from the Mitsubishi site.
I then chose the same option for the printer.
I normally print from PS7.I now use the latest colour space as a
working profile.
The output looks fine onscreen in print preview.
Purple flowers end up as pink when it comes out of the printer.
I haven't got a spyder nor do I have any access to one.
Anyone got any ideas?
Yours despairingly,
--
DaveMart
 
To see if a color can be printed on a CMYK printer you can open
your picture in Photoshop and open the Color Picker window. Then
click with the picker in the image on the color that gives you
trouble. If your color is out of the printer's color space, then a
small triangular alert sign will appear in the top right area of
the color picker window (immediately to the left of the buttons)
with a small colored square under it. The color of the square is
the closest color that the printer can print.

If you do a lot of color adjustements just for printing, then it it
wise to convert your image from RGB to CMYK colorspace (in
Photoshop: Image> Mode> CMYK color). This will ensure that the
image will only contain printable colors (and you'll see that many
blue shades will become more purple, like you say).

You can find this and more information in Photoshop help files -
search for "working with color."

ICC route is the most reliable if you learn how to use it.
Professional print shops never match colors on the monitor and
printer, they just print proofs, and adjust colors looking at the
proofs.

Torte
Guys and Girls,
I've been battling matching output for the past year now.At one
stage I got a fairly close match by eye, printing off and adjusting
the monitor etc.
I've tried to go the route of icc and have read up a little about
them.
I am using the following:
A Gateway branded Mitsubishi 2020 monitor
Which I have set on 6500Kelvin contrast +100%Brightness +15% colour
3 on the RGBR-gain +77%Ggain +68% B gain +57%
I have a G-force 2 graphics card and an Epson 1290 printer
I have tried setting graphics/monitor to Adobe RGB1998 or
DP202065(the 6500K setting) downloaded from the Mitsubishi site.
I then chose the same option for the printer.
I normally print from PS7.I now use the latest colour space as a
working profile.
The output looks fine onscreen in print preview.
Purple flowers end up as pink when it comes out of the printer.
I haven't got a spyder nor do I have any access to one.
Anyone got any ideas?
Yours despairingly,
--
DaveMart
Thanks for your help. I was starting to get really frustrated and go round in circles on the colour issue. I will certainly try the test you suggest.

I was just wondering if I had missed some stage of the conversion process or was failing to input a neccessary instruction at some stage.

What do you think of the colour profiles I have available? Are they the correct ones, or should I maybe set the printer to Dimage7icc? I doesn't seem likely. Is it correct to set to the monitors' icc, or would I be better off setting to Adobe RGB?

I notice that I have a icc in PS7 for Epson 1290 premiunm glossy paper, and that that colour space is far removed from the normal on-screen display in sRGB etc

I have also downloded the latest profiles from Minolta but am unclear if they are the Dimage 7 profiles or hte one labelled Dimage & (jpeg & tiff)

Sorry if this reply is a mess. I am afraid I am in a bit of a mess about the profiles. I have been looking at info on icc's but have found the going hard.
Any input will be most gratefully received.

I have to get to bed now but I really look forward to trying what you suggest and would be most grateful for any further input.
Regards,
--
DaveMart
 
--Larry
Inbound, I have ocasionally used DIVU, but mostly edit directly in
Photo Impact for the effect I want. ICM takes care of the printing.
I would have guessed Epson had ICM or a similar feature?

Good luck,
Richard.
Guys and Girls,
I've been battling matching output for the past year now.At one
stage I got a fairly close match by eye, printing off and adjusting
the monitor etc.
I've tried to go the route of icc and have read up a little about
them.
I am using the following:
A Gateway branded Mitsubishi 2020 monitor
Which I have set on 6500Kelvin contrast +100%Brightness +15% colour
3 on the RGBR-gain +77%Ggain +68% B gain +57%
I have a G-force 2 graphics card and an Epson 1290 printer
I have tried setting graphics/monitor to Adobe RGB1998 or
DP202065(the 6500K setting) downloaded from the Mitsubishi site.
I then chose the same option for the printer.
I normally print from PS7.I now use the latest colour space as a
working profile.
The output looks fine onscreen in print preview.
Purple flowers end up as pink when it comes out of the printer.
I haven't got a spyder nor do I have any access to one.
Anyone got any ideas?
Yours despairingly,
--
DaveMart
Anyone at all fancy taking a crack at this?
Any input at all gratefully received.
Thanks.
--
DaveMart
--
Richard B.
S404 gallery http://www.ericksonbird.com/samples
--

--Larry
Larry,
Thanks a lot for your input.

I'm pretty knackered now so I'm not sure that I'm taking on board what you are saying compltely but I will make sure I stick to one method or the other.
Any advice on whether to specify the monitor colour space or Adobe RGB?

I'm sorry if it seems rude after asking all you people for advice but I really have to get to bed now.
I hope to read any replies and take up the thread tomorrow.
Thanks as always,
--
DaveMart
 
Here's one method I suggest you try:

1. When you first open an image in Photoshop, assign the Dimage7icc to it (if this is the same profile with this name as the one I have, it's not a printer profile, it's a camera color space profile). If you wish, you can convert the color space to sRGB or AdobeRGB before starting work on the file. In my opinion this step is unnecessary and I don't convert; YMMV.

2. Do whatever work you need to do with the image.

3. When you're ready to print, assign the "Epson 1290 premium glossy" printer profile in the "Print with Preview" dialog (assuming this is the printer and paper you'll be printing to), turn off all color management in the printer driver, and print.

--Larry
Thanks for your help. I was starting to get really frustrated and
go round in circles on the colour issue. I will certainly try the
test you suggest.
I was just wondering if I had missed some stage of the conversion
process or was failing to input a neccessary instruction at some
stage.
What do you think of the colour profiles I have available? Are they
the correct ones, or should I maybe set the printer to Dimage7icc?
I doesn't seem likely. Is it correct to set to the monitors' icc,
or would I be better off setting to Adobe RGB?
I notice that I have a icc in PS7 for Epson 1290 premiunm glossy
paper, and that that colour space is far removed from the normal
on-screen display in sRGB etc
I have also downloded the latest profiles from Minolta but am
unclear if they are the Dimage 7 profiles or hte one labelled
Dimage & (jpeg & tiff)
Sorry if this reply is a mess. I am afraid I am in a bit of a mess
about the profiles. I have been looking at info on icc's but have
found the going hard.
Any input will be most gratefully received.
I have to get to bed now but I really look forward to trying what
you suggest and would be most grateful for any further input.
Regards,
--
DaveMart
--

--Larry
 
David:

Sorry for the blank reply earlier.

Torte said it all in that you will never match the luminosity of the monitor in a print. I spent a long time like you getting the colors to at least come close. I'ts difficult, especially if you throw in another variable such as ink type. With the CIS bulk ink I use with my 1280, I adjusted the colors with the sliders in the epson driver software and when i came close I saved it as a custom setting for each type of paper. I also noticed that you can really screw things up by manually adjusting contrast/brightness/etc in photoshop even though it looks good on the screen. When you use autolevels it almost always picks the right levels within the range of your printer.

Good Luck,

Pete
To see if a color can be printed on a CMYK printer you can open
your picture in Photoshop and open the Color Picker window. Then
click with the picker in the image on the color that gives you
trouble. If your color is out of the printer's color space, then a
small triangular alert sign will appear in the top right area of
the color picker window (immediately to the left of the buttons)
with a small colored square under it. The color of the square is
the closest color that the printer can print.

If you do a lot of color adjustements just for printing, then it it
wise to convert your image from RGB to CMYK colorspace (in
Photoshop: Image> Mode> CMYK color). This will ensure that the
image will only contain printable colors (and you'll see that many
blue shades will become more purple, like you say).

You can find this and more information in Photoshop help files -
search for "working with color."

ICC route is the most reliable if you learn how to use it.
Professional print shops never match colors on the monitor and
printer, they just print proofs, and adjust colors looking at the
proofs.

Torte
Guys and Girls,
I've been battling matching output for the past year now.At one
stage I got a fairly close match by eye, printing off and adjusting
the monitor etc.
I've tried to go the route of icc and have read up a little about
them.
I am using the following:
A Gateway branded Mitsubishi 2020 monitor
Which I have set on 6500Kelvin contrast +100%Brightness +15% colour
3 on the RGBR-gain +77%Ggain +68% B gain +57%
I have a G-force 2 graphics card and an Epson 1290 printer
I have tried setting graphics/monitor to Adobe RGB1998 or
DP202065(the 6500K setting) downloaded from the Mitsubishi site.
I then chose the same option for the printer.
I normally print from PS7.I now use the latest colour space as a
working profile.
The output looks fine onscreen in print preview.
Purple flowers end up as pink when it comes out of the printer.
I haven't got a spyder nor do I have any access to one.
Anyone got any ideas?
Yours despairingly,
--
DaveMart
Thanks for your help. I was starting to get really frustrated and
go round in circles on the colour issue. I will certainly try the
test you suggest.
I was just wondering if I had missed some stage of the conversion
process or was failing to input a neccessary instruction at some
stage.
What do you think of the colour profiles I have available? Are they
the correct ones, or should I maybe set the printer to Dimage7icc?
I doesn't seem likely. Is it correct to set to the monitors' icc,
or would I be better off setting to Adobe RGB?
I notice that I have a icc in PS7 for Epson 1290 premiunm glossy
paper, and that that colour space is far removed from the normal
on-screen display in sRGB etc
I have also downloded the latest profiles from Minolta but am
unclear if they are the Dimage 7 profiles or hte one labelled
Dimage & (jpeg & tiff)
Sorry if this reply is a mess. I am afraid I am in a bit of a mess
about the profiles. I have been looking at info on icc's but have
found the going hard.
Any input will be most gratefully received.
I have to get to bed now but I really look forward to trying what
you suggest and would be most grateful for any further input.
Regards,
--
DaveMart
 
Trying to figure out color profiles and color spaces can get anyone pretty knackered in no time at all [G]. Try the various suggestions that have been posted here when you're fresh, and keep us informed about your progress!

--Larry
Larry,
Thanks a lot for your input.
I'm pretty knackered now so I'm not sure that I'm taking on board
what you are saying compltely but I will make sure I stick to one
method or the other.
Any advice on whether to specify the monitor colour space or Adobe
RGB?
I'm sorry if it seems rude after asking all you people for advice
but I really have to get to bed now.
I hope to read any replies and take up the thread tomorrow.
Thanks as always,
--
DaveMart
 
Inbound, I have ocasionally used DIVU, but mostly edit directly in
Photo Impact for the effect I want. ICM takes care of the printing.
I would have guessed Epson had ICM or a similar feature?

Good luck,
Richard.
Guys and Girls,
I've been battling matching output for the past year now.At one
stage I got a fairly close match by eye, printing off and adjusting
the monitor etc.
I've tried to go the route of icc and have read up a little about
them.
I am using the following:
A Gateway branded Mitsubishi 2020 monitor
Which I have set on 6500Kelvin contrast +100%Brightness +15% colour
3 on the RGBR-gain +77%Ggain +68% B gain +57%
I have a G-force 2 graphics card and an Epson 1290 printer
I have tried setting graphics/monitor to Adobe RGB1998 or
DP202065(the 6500K setting) downloaded from the Mitsubishi site.
I then chose the same option for the printer.
I normally print from PS7.I now use the latest colour space as a
working profile.
The output looks fine onscreen in print preview.
Purple flowers end up as pink when it comes out of the printer.
I haven't got a spyder nor do I have any access to one.
Anyone got any ideas?
Yours despairingly,
--
DaveMart
Anyone at all fancy taking a crack at this?
Any input at all gratefully received.
Thanks.
--
DaveMart
--
Richard B.
S404 gallery http://www.ericksonbird.com/samples
Thanks for your help. I'm really going to have to get to bed now as it's 1.07, but I look forward to checking out your comments tomorrow,
Thanks again,
--
DaveMart
 
You can use the DiMAGE ICC profile in your Print dialog only for direct-out-of-camera images. Whatever you adjust in Photoshop is not Minolta colorspace - because the monitor cannot show those colors. If you do out-of-camera printing, you can download the Photoshop P.I.M. plugin from the Epson Downloads web page. I think D5, D7, and D7i support PIM, not sure about other cameras. The downoads place will also tell how to use PIM. That's supposed to produce the absolutely best results. Anyway, that doesn't solve your original problem of having the same colors on the screen and on the print.

If you want to adjust colors, then what you need is to make the screen display the colors that the printer will eventually print (you cannot make a print look like screen, but you can make the screen look close to a print)

I would suggest one of two things (always work with a copy of your original image):

Option 1 (easier, but only for selected papers)

a) Download the Epson ICC profiles from the Downloads section of the Epson website, and install on your computer (they come with a Read Me file that tells how to do it).

b) In Photoshop open the color settings panel, and choose the proper printer profile for your RGB space (Working Spaces> RGB> Load RGB) That way only the printable colors will be displayed in your RGB image. You have to make these settings BEFORE you open the image, or it will not be converted.

c) when you print turn off color management options in your Print dialog - it was already taken care of in Photoshop. Keep in mind that every paper will need it's own profile, which is not always available. Therefore, there's another, custom way to do it:

Option 2 (you can, and actually have to do it for every different ink/paper combination you use)
a) make a blank image (just white background), set image mode to CMYK.

b) in that image create patches of the printer's primary colors: fill one patch with 100% Cyan only, next one with 100% Magenta only, next 100% Yellow, next 100% black. Use the color picker window to enter the numerical values for your colors. Print that sucker (with color managenment OFF).

c) Now that you can see what your printer's inks look like you can create a custom CMYK profile. To do that in Photoshop open the color settings window, and choose: Working spaces> CMYK> Custom> Ink Options> Ink colors. This will bring up a window with little colored patches. You can double click on the colored rectangles and this will open a color picker. Adjust the colors of the Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Black (K) and white patches to match the hues on your print as closely as you can.

d) (optional, but useful) After you did your color calibration, and came back to the Color Settings, I'd suggest to save your CMYK profile, and in the file name use the brand of ink and of the paper. That'll be in Working spaces> CMYK> Save CMYK You can later load it from the same menu.

e) Now if you open an image (use a copy of the original!) and convert it to CMYK (Image> Mode> CMYK) then it will be displayed using the colors of the inks that you saw on paper - just what you want. Turn the color management in the print dialog OFF.

General advice: work on a light grey background, and always use the same kind of lighting around you monitor - the colors on both paper and monitor will look different depending on the ambient light.

At the same time, I have to admit I do neither. With my own pictures, I crop them, reduce noise, do tricks to bring out detail in the shadows, add fake objects (or remove real ones), then adjust levels (usually Autolevels works fine), and burn them on a CD. When I print them the colors do look different from the screen, but I still like them plenty. I learned to trust the camera, and I don't care for making green greener, or blue bluer.

Torte
What do you think of the colour profiles I have available? Are they
the correct ones, or should I maybe set the printer to Dimage7icc?
I doesn't seem likely. Is it correct to set to the monitors' icc,
or would I be better off setting to Adobe RGB?
I notice that I have a icc in PS7 for Epson 1290 premiunm glossy
paper, and that that colour space is far removed from the normal
on-screen display in sRGB etc
I have also downloded the latest profiles from Minolta but am
unclear if they are the Dimage 7 profiles or hte one labelled
Dimage & (jpeg & tiff)
Sorry if this reply is a mess. I am afraid I am in a bit of a mess
about the profiles. I have been looking at info on icc's but have
found the going hard.
Any input will be most gratefully received.
I have to get to bed now but I really look forward to trying what
you suggest and would be most grateful for any further input.
Regards,
--
DaveMart
 
If you want to adjust colors, then what you need is to make the
screen display the colors that the printer will eventually print
(you cannot make a print look like screen, but you can make the
screen look close to a print)

I would suggest one of two things (always work with a copy of your
original image):

Option 1 (easier, but only for selected papers)
a) Download the Epson ICC profiles from the Downloads section of
the Epson website, and install on your computer (they come with a
Read Me file that tells how to do it).
b) In Photoshop open the color settings panel, and choose the
proper printer profile for your RGB space (Working Spaces> RGB>
Load RGB) That way only the printable colors will be displayed in
your RGB image. You have to make these settings BEFORE you open the
image, or it will not be converted.
c) when you print turn off color management options in your Print
dialog - it was already taken care of in Photoshop. Keep in mind
that every paper will need it's own profile, which is not always
available. Therefore, there's another, custom way to do it:

Option 2 (you can, and actually have to do it for every different
ink/paper combination you use)
a) make a blank image (just white background), set image mode to CMYK.
b) in that image create patches of the printer's primary colors:
fill one patch with 100% Cyan only, next one with 100% Magenta
only, next 100% Yellow, next 100% black. Use the color picker
window to enter the numerical values for your colors. Print that
sucker (with color managenment OFF).
c) Now that you can see what your printer's inks look like you can
create a custom CMYK profile. To do that in Photoshop open the
color settings window, and choose: Working spaces> CMYK> Custom> Ink
Options> Ink colors. This will bring up a window with little
colored patches. You can double click on the colored rectangles and
this will open a color picker. Adjust the colors of the Cyan,
Magenta, Yellow, Black (K) and white patches to match the hues on
your print as closely as you can.
d) (optional, but useful) After you did your color calibration, and
came back to the Color Settings, I'd suggest to save your CMYK
profile, and in the file name use the brand of ink and of the
paper. That'll be in Working spaces> CMYK> Save CMYK You can later
load it from the same menu.
e) Now if you open an image (use a copy of the original!) and
convert it to CMYK (Image> Mode> CMYK) then it will be displayed
using the colors of the inks that you saw on paper - just what
you want. Turn the color management in the print dialog OFF.

General advice: work on a light grey background, and always use the
same kind of lighting around you monitor - the colors on both paper
and monitor will look different depending on the ambient light.

At the same time, I have to admit I do neither. With my own
pictures, I crop them, reduce noise, do tricks to bring out detail
in the shadows, add fake objects (or remove real ones), then adjust
levels (usually Autolevels works fine), and burn them on a CD. When
I print them the colors do look different from the screen, but I
still like them plenty. I learned to trust the camera, and I don't
care for making green greener, or blue bluer.

Torte
What do you think of the colour profiles I have available? Are they
the correct ones, or should I maybe set the printer to Dimage7icc?
I doesn't seem likely. Is it correct to set to the monitors' icc,
or would I be better off setting to Adobe RGB?
I notice that I have a icc in PS7 for Epson 1290 premiunm glossy
paper, and that that colour space is far removed from the normal
on-screen display in sRGB etc
I have also downloded the latest profiles from Minolta but am
unclear if they are the Dimage 7 profiles or hte one labelled
Dimage & (jpeg & tiff)
Sorry if this reply is a mess. I am afraid I am in a bit of a mess
about the profiles. I have been looking at info on icc's but have
found the going hard.
Any input will be most gratefully received.
I have to get to bed now but I really look forward to trying what
you suggest and would be most grateful for any further input.
Regards,
--
DaveMart
Dave, it's like three in the morning here, and I've given this
thread a quick glance. About year and a half ago I was trying
to match monitor to print, wrestling with the entire color management
problem. I did some basic math: X amount of paper at X number of dollars
per page. X number of ink cartridges. X number of hours spent
in frustration. You change paper, you change ink, and you have
to tweak it all over again. If you're a serious hobbyist, get some

calibration/profiling gear. buy it once, it'll save you money, time, aggravation.
I use Monaco, best thing I did since taking up digital photography.
I bless my calibration gear a hundred times a week.
Art
 
Where can you buy this monitor calibration software? I use a LCD screen - can it be calibrated, too with Monaco?
Dave, it's like three in the morning here, and I've given this
thread a quick glance. About year and a half ago I was trying
to match monitor to print, wrestling with the entire color management
problem. I did some basic math: X amount of paper at X number of
dollars
per page. X number of ink cartridges. X number of hours spent
in frustration. You change paper, you change ink, and you have
to tweak it all over again. If you're a serious hobbyist, get some
calibration/profiling gear. buy it once, it'll save you money,
time, aggravation.
I use Monaco, best thing I did since taking up digital photography.
I bless my calibration gear a hundred times a week.
Art
 
David, I feel with you: Screwed up my near perfect settings with a total computer crash and I had forgotten somewhere one step. After putting all things together again I was far from where I left.
Are you sure you did implement the Epson profiles the right way ?

My problem was that I could print very well what I saw on the screen but I could not get the colors right. The print PREVIEW with the Epson profiles is absolute way off color, even horrible, but the prints come out very well.
Here is the link wich describes it exactly:
http://www.photoexpert.co.uk/UK/EXPERTISE/how_to_icc_page1.htm
Good luck
 
Dave

I use a similar set-up but on the A4 Epson 895 (890 in North America) priting via PS7, same engine as your 1290.

If you think getting the D7's colour right is difficult, this very subject on matching monitor and print is doubly difficult.

I have tried most of the methods discussed in this thread; there are really two basic types of routine usually taught in the standard tytorials which we all get referred to. One route is to use downloaded Epson paper-specific profiles as print profiles to go with 'no colour management' in the printer section. Another is to choose 'printer colour management' to go with advance/ICM in the printer section. But I have to admit that after spending lots and lots and lots of money on buying ink and paper, following the recommended tutorials to the last details, I get darker images than I like.

Try one print with this work flow:

I would think getting a Spyder to calibrate makes sense but I never got to buy one just fearing the results would be similar even if I had bought one. I still just do monitor calibration with the AdobeGamma program which comes loaded with Photoshop to my best ability. But you should at least do this if you are skipping hardward calibration tools like me.

Load your D7 camera JPEG into PS7 and assign it the new direct profile, namely the Minolta Dimage 7 profile. (Did you see my response to your post re the JPEG/TIFF profile in Bryan's site?) Do your level/curve adjustment, resolution to 300 or 360dpi (under image/image size, uncheck the resample image box and change resulution from 72dpi to 300 or 360dpi). Do the desired USM (Image/mode/LABcolor, select 'lightness' under channels in the right hand side pallette pane, then filter/sharpen/unsharpmask ,try 170%, 1.2, threshold2; under image/mode, change back to RGB colour, your space will be now in the working space (I use AdobeRGB) instead of the assigned space because LAB/RGB conversion had taken place......now ready to print...

Under file/page-setup, printer property, check 'print review' box, select 'custom/advance', uncheck 'high-speed', select paper, say, premium glossy photopaper, select 1440dpi. Now, the following deviates from clasical teaching but give it a try anyhow. Under colour management, select 'Photoenhance 4', tone/normal, effect/none, check 'digital camera correction' box. OK the lot. Choose your paper size and orientation.

Go back to file/print with preview, adjust print size, check 'show more options' box, and 'colour management', you will see your working space adopted as document source space, under print-space/profile, select printer colour management. THEN print.

If the above does not work, I owe you one metre strip of PGPP, ink on you. I only recently got this working well. May be it only works on my particular set-up.

Gordon Chau
 
Dave, it's like three in the morning here, and I've given this
thread a quick glance. About year and a half ago I was trying
to match monitor to print, wrestling with the entire color management
problem. I did some basic math: X amount of paper at X number of
dollars
per page. X number of ink cartridges. X number of hours spent
in frustration. You change paper, you change ink, and you have
to tweak it all over again. If you're a serious hobbyist, get some
calibration/profiling gear. buy it once, it'll save you money,
time, aggravation.
I use Monaco, best thing I did since taking up digital photography.
I bless my calibration gear a hundred times a week.
Art
don't know if Monaco makes an LCD version. Monacosys.com. Or
ColorVision, they DO. there are several but these are the top consumer
level units. I LOVE t he monaco system. If you go Color Vision, make
sure you order the complete package, they're a little confusing,
as they have systems W/O spyder that can't profile papers.
Plenty of info on this forum about spyder/profilers.

--
Art
 

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