Getting my prints to look like my screen

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I've now checked out the sites and can confirm that they look
good,very good.
My bank manager may become upset with you as you have made me lust
after a Fuji S2.
"Lust" is an interesting word. Are you sure the "lust" is directed
at the camera, and not the attractive models?
I intend to explain that it is your fault entirely.
It is okay with me - I have big shoulders - but I cry easily.
I have also printed off the many kind replies I received and am
going to work my way through them. This looks as though it will
take some time.
my guess is that the problem is probably a simple one
I hope you are correct about the "simple" description. Usually,
this stuff is not simple at all. In fact, it is pretty darn
difficult.

Below is a link to a reply I made (a tongue-in-cheek type of reply)
regarding having problems with color management. My reply is
absolute fact (with ultra dry humor and total disgust for the
entire color management process). This will give you an idea of
the kind of cr?p I went through to get everything perfect
(perfect?, well at least until I have to buy Epson's newly
reformulated inks for my 1270 printer).

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=3128010

Well, now that I know your display is set up okay, I will read your
original post again to see if I can figure what might be going
wrong for you.

Good luck to all of us, and "Happy Color Managemant, One and All".

Sincerely,

Joe Kurkjian
Joe,
See my post of 2hrs ago,
EVERYTHING IS ALLRIGHT!
I was using the wrong profile on my printer.
It may not be perfect, but I've got a perfectly usable match!
So, until my next disaster........
Thanks for all the help.

I'll e-mail this to you as well as I don't want you expending unneccessry brainpower on a solved problem.
Thanks for all your help,
--
DaveMart
 
I've now checked out the sites and can confirm that they look
good,very good.
My bank manager may become upset with you as you have made me lust
after a Fuji S2.
"Lust" is an interesting word. Are you sure the "lust" is directed
at the camera, and not the attractive models?
I intend to explain that it is your fault entirely.
It is okay with me - I have big shoulders - but I cry easily.
I have also printed off the many kind replies I received and am
going to work my way through them. This looks as though it will
take some time.
my guess is that the problem is probably a simple one
I hope you are correct about the "simple" description. Usually,
this stuff is not simple at all. In fact, it is pretty darn
difficult.

Below is a link to a reply I made (a tongue-in-cheek type of reply)
regarding having problems with color management. My reply is
absolute fact (with ultra dry humor and total disgust for the
entire color management process). This will give you an idea of
the kind of cr?p I went through to get everything perfect
(perfect?, well at least until I have to buy Epson's newly
reformulated inks for my 1270 printer).

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1014&message=3128010

Well, now that I know your display is set up okay, I will read your
original post again to see if I can figure what might be going
wrong for you.

Good luck to all of us, and "Happy Color Managemant, One and All".

Sincerely,

Joe Kurkjian
Joe,
See my post of 2hrs ago,
EVERYTHING IS ALLRIGHT!
I was using the wrong profile on my printer.
It may not be perfect, but I've got a perfectly usable match!
So, until my next disaster........
Thanks for all the help.
I'll e-mail this to you as well as I don't want you expending
unneccessry brainpower on a solved problem.
Thanks for all your help,
--
DaveMart
 
Dave, I’m glad you solved the problem. Still, I thing you can improve things a little.
My mistake was that I had a monitor profile associated with my
printer.
Yes, that was a mistake
I specified the correct Epson Premium photo quality profile for my
printer, Opened the shot in the new icc and assigned the
profile, converted to Epson Premium Glossy photo in PS and printed.
Converting the document color space to the printer/paper color space doesn’t make sense. The document color space should be independent from the output color space. If you specify the correct output profile, the necessary conversion will take place on the fly, when printing
Went back and adjusted the brightness etc on my monitor until it
matched the print , adjusted the shot until it was how I wanted it
then re-printed.
While this can work, I don’t thing this is the best approach, because you would have to recalibrate your monitor whenever you change the paper type and/or printer. As a last resource, you can adjust settings on the printer driver.

I recommend one excellent article about printing in this url:
http://www.computer-darkroom.com
In the main page, select “Feature Articles/Printing from PhotoShop”

Mapril OLiveira
 
My mistake was that I had a monitor profile associated with my
printer.
Yes, that was a mistake
I specified the correct Epson Premium photo quality profile for my
printer, Opened the shot in the new icc and assigned the
profile, converted to Epson Premium Glossy photo in PS and printed.
Converting the document color space to the printer/paper color
space doesn’t make sense. The document color space should be
independent from the output color space. If you specify the correct
output profile, the necessary conversion will take place on the
fly, when printing
Mistaken terminology.I meant the output space.
Went back and adjusted the brightness etc on my monitor until it
matched the print , adjusted the shot until it was how I wanted it
then re-printed.
While this can work, I don’t thing this is the best approach,
because you would have to recalibrate your monitor whenever you
change the paper type and/or printer. As a last resource, you can
adjust settings on the printer driver.
I only plan to use 2 types of paper, Epson Premium Glossy and a matt paper with an associated Epson profile, brand still to be decided amounst the recommendations of people on the forum.

The 1290 is a dedicated photo printer which I don't plan on changing anytime soon.
The monitor can deal with 3 settings, and it appears I will only need 2 of them.

The alternative would seem to involve buying a spuder to properly calibrate my monitor, which would cost around £250.

Not ideal, I grant you, but a lot better than I've been getting with my purples coming out as pink.

I can see that colour management is a subject I will have to come back to again and again, but I'm pretty happy that things are a lot better than they were.

I don't know how to adjust the settings on my printer driver or even what the term involves.
I recommend one excellent article about printing in this url:
http://www.computer-darkroom.com
In the main page, select “Feature Articles/Printing from
PhotoShop”
Thanks for that. I've printed it out.

The main source of my confusion was in icc's. I came across several learned articles on colour profiling, but nothing which clearly explained that you have a source profile, a working profile and an output profile.
Thanks for your help and concern,
Regards,
DaveMart

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DaveMart
 
Converting the document color space to the printer/paper color
space doesn’t make sense. The document color space should be
independent from the output color space. If you specify the correct
output profile, the necessary conversion will take place on the
fly, when printing
But in that case what we see on the monitor will be different, I myself tested using my epson 810 profile & assigned that to the image & printed from PS letting the printer color management to take care. Results came much better than assigning sRGB to the same image. The difference I found was that the image in srgb was darker on the monitor & when printed it was always lighter, assigning epson profile to the image lightens the image on the screen thus giving the true impression of how the printer will print the colors.

The result was quite near what I was seeing on the monitor, I then printed a RGB color test chart with assigning epson profile & found some magenta based colors off the mark, so I then recalibrated the monitor using adobe gamma reducung the red color (purpose was to calibrate the monitor to what the printer has printed)
Went back and adjusted the brightness etc on my monitor until it
matched the print , adjusted the shot until it was how I wanted it
then re-printed.
While this can work, I don’t thing this is the best approach,
because you would have to recalibrate your monitor whenever you
change the paper type and/or printer. As a last resource, you can
adjust settings on the printer driver.
I agree that we need to change monitor setting if we change the paper, but surprisingly this technique works as long as we are printing on the same paper. I only use premimum photoglossy paper, so it works for me.

--
Ranjan
Professional photographer.
http://www.photosig.com/userphotos.php?id=11993
 

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