Fuji JPEG editing do or don't?

[Doug MacMillan]

OK

So do you prefer Tri-X in D-76 or HC110?

 

[stevo23]

OK

So do you prefer Tri-X in D-76 or HC110?

Wait, I think I know this one. Is it "A"?

 

[Len-O]

Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!

I shoot RAW+JPEG and import both into LR. If I choose to edit/adjust the JPEG (with whichever film sim) I do so with a Virtual Copy in LR. When done I use the Export dialog for sharing. That avoids any additional resave and compression IQ loss/degradation. That way I still have the RAF and the unmolested JPEG along with the edited/adjusted Virtual Copy

 

[BaeckerX1]

Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!

I shoot RAW+JPEG and import both into LR. If I choose to edit/adjust the JPEG (with whichever film sim) I do so with a Virtual Copy in LR. When done I use the Export dialog for sharing. That avoids any additional resave and compression IQ loss/degradation. That way I still have the RAF and the unmolested JPEG along with the edited/adjusted Virtual Copy

This may be a dumb question, but is there a way to auto sort the RAWs and JPEGs separately upon import into LR? Thanks.

 

[Len-O]

Fuji Silkypix does RAF to TIFF conversion. (This is a little off topic, since the point here was that Fuji OOC JPG is a better starting point towards finished photo as opposed to RAF)

Then the best approach is to immediately save a 16-bit TIFF from the JPEG and work from there.

If you are using Lightroom or On1 Photo RAW you can work on a Virtual Copy of the JPEG, and export the result without any degradation from the original JPEG.

If you want to edit a 16-bit image, there is nothing to be gained by converting the JPEG to TIFF, just work with the RAW.

 

[Len-O]

This already came up - the title is a little misleading, so I also thought it was about editing JPGs. OP is asking about adjusting OOC jpegs in LR, then outputting the result. No actual repeated editing of the JPG is taking place. I see no harm in doing that, and that is what I am doing in Adobe Bridge & PS, given that Fuji's OOC JPGs are already very close to what I want.

+1

 

[markusw]

Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!

I shoot RAW+JPEG and import both into LR. If I choose to edit/adjust the JPEG (with whichever film sim) I do so with a Virtual Copy in LR. When done I use the Export dialog for sharing. That avoids any additional resave and compression IQ loss/degradation. That way I still have the RAF and the unmolested JPEG along with the edited/adjusted Virtual Copy

This may be a dumb question, but is there a way to auto sort the RAWs and JPEGs separately upon import into LR? Thanks.

No idea if I am doing right, but I use two SD cards in the Xpro2 - one for RAW, one for JPG.

 

[Len-O]

Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!

I shoot RAW+JPEG and import both into LR. If I choose to edit/adjust the JPEG (with whichever film sim) I do so with a Virtual Copy in LR. When done I use the Export dialog for sharing. That avoids any additional resave and compression IQ loss/degradation. That way I still have the RAF and the unmolested JPEG along with the edited/adjusted Virtual Copy

This may be a dumb question, but is there a way to auto sort the RAWs and JPEGs separately upon import into LR? Thanks.

Yes.

In Lightroom you can stack RAW and JPEG together, or not. In the Library Module go to View, and Sort. From there you can sort by file type, extension type, capture date/time, or creation date/time. Whatever criteria you choose.

As an asset manager it is tough to beat Lightroom.

 

[BaeckerX1]

Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!

I shoot RAW+JPEG and import both into LR. If I choose to edit/adjust the JPEG (with whichever film sim) I do so with a Virtual Copy in LR. When done I use the Export dialog for sharing. That avoids any additional resave and compression IQ loss/degradation. That way I still have the RAF and the unmolested JPEG along with the edited/adjusted Virtual Copy

This may be a dumb question, but is there a way to auto sort the RAWs and JPEGs separately upon import into LR? Thanks.

Yes.

In Lightroom you can stack RAW and JPEG together, or not. In the Library Module go to View, and Sort. From there you can sort by file type, extension type, capture date/time, or creation date/time. Whatever criteria you choose.

As an asset manager it is tough to beat Lightroom.

I don't have that option in LR CC.

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[Len-O]

Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!

I shoot RAW+JPEG and import both into LR. If I choose to edit/adjust the JPEG (with whichever film sim) I do so with a Virtual Copy in LR. When done I use the Export dialog for sharing. That avoids any additional resave and compression IQ loss/degradation. That way I still have the RAF and the unmolested JPEG along with the edited/adjusted Virtual Copy

This may be a dumb question, but is there a way to auto sort the RAWs and JPEGs separately upon import into LR? Thanks.

No idea if I am doing right, but I use two SD cards in the Xpro2 - one for RAW, one for JPG.

That is a workable option. I use that method in my X-T2. However, I don't have that luxury with my X-E3 where I shoot RAW+Fine.

Importing into LR and your designated import location is going to be your choice. I import into date folders, and rename them later to ID specific shoot, or location. When importing from both my RAW & JPEG SD cards from the same shoot, files of both types are sent to the folder with that specific date. If I want to separate them into separate folders with the same date. I will import from one SD card and rename it before importing the second one. That way a second folder with the same date is generated and the RAFs & JPEGs are separated.

So I might end up with two folders named; "2017-05-14 Yosemite RAF" and "2017-05-14 Yosemite JPEG".

 

[Len-O]

Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!

I shoot RAW+JPEG and import both into LR. If I choose to edit/adjust the JPEG (with whichever film sim) I do so with a Virtual Copy in LR. When done I use the Export dialog for sharing. That avoids any additional resave and compression IQ loss/degradation. That way I still have the RAF and the unmolested JPEG along with the edited/adjusted Virtual Copy

This may be a dumb question, but is there a way to auto sort the RAWs and JPEGs separately upon import into LR? Thanks.

Yes.

In Lightroom you can stack RAW and JPEG together, or not. In the Library Module go to View, and Sort. From there you can sort by file type, extension type, capture date/time, or creation date/time. Whatever criteria you choose.

As an asset manager it is tough to beat Lightroom.

I don't have that option in LR CC.

You are correct. I guess we were talking at cross purposes since it was not clear which version of LR you were using.

That is one of the huge differences between LR CC, and LR CCC.

Even though I use LR CC when on the road, my primary desktop work starts with LR CCC, and that is where my main catalog is maintained.

 

[stevo23]

Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!

I shoot RAW+JPEG and import both into LR. If I choose to edit/adjust the JPEG (with whichever film sim) I do so with a Virtual Copy in LR. When done I use the Export dialog for sharing. That avoids any additional resave and compression IQ loss/degradation. That way I still have the RAF and the unmolested JPEG along with the edited/adjusted Virtual Copy

Editing in LR is no destructive to jpeg. No? Not sure what you're referring to.

 

[Jerry-astro]

Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!

I shoot RAW+JPEG and import both into LR. If I choose to edit/adjust the JPEG (with whichever film sim) I do so with a Virtual Copy in LR. When done I use the Export dialog for sharing. That avoids any additional resave and compression IQ loss/degradation. That way I still have the RAF and the unmolested JPEG along with the edited/adjusted Virtual Copy

Editing in LR is no destructive to jpeg. No? Not sure what you're referring to.

If what you’re editing is a JPG, is is, to my knowledge, most certainly destructive. Any editing of a lossy compressed format will result in progressive degradation of the image. That’s a good argument for starting with a RAW file which gives you a fresh JPG after each edit. That advice applies mostly to files that require a fair amount of iterative editing. Quick one-time edits for JPGs should be just fine.

 

[stevo23]

Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!

I shoot RAW+JPEG and import both into LR. If I choose to edit/adjust the JPEG (with whichever film sim) I do so with a Virtual Copy in LR. When done I use the Export dialog for sharing. That avoids any additional resave and compression IQ loss/degradation. That way I still have the RAF and the unmolested JPEG along with the edited/adjusted Virtual Copy

Editing in LR is no destructive to jpeg. No? Not sure what you're referring to.

If what you’re editing is a JPG, is is, to my knowledge, most certainly destructive. Any editing of a lossy compressed format will result in progressive degradation of the image. That’s a good argument for starting with a RAW file which gives you a fresh JPG after each edit. That advice applies mostly to files that require a fair amount of iterative editing. Quick one-time edits for JPGs should be just fine.

Not Lightroom, it is a non destructive editor for any file. Photoshop is destructive to jpegs unless you use layers. Lightroom not.

 

[Jerry-astro]

Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!

I shoot RAW+JPEG and import both into LR. If I choose to edit/adjust the JPEG (with whichever film sim) I do so with a Virtual Copy in LR. When done I use the Export dialog for sharing. That avoids any additional resave and compression IQ loss/degradation. That way I still have the RAF and the unmolested JPEG along with the edited/adjusted Virtual Copy

Editing in LR is no destructive to jpeg. No? Not sure what you're referring to.

If what you’re editing is a JPG, is is, to my knowledge, most certainly destructive. Any editing of a lossy compressed format will result in progressive degradation of the image. That’s a good argument for starting with a RAW file which gives you a fresh JPG after each edit. That advice applies mostly to files that require a fair amount of iterative editing. Quick one-time edits for JPGs should be just fine.

Not Lightroom, it is a non destructive editor for any file. Photoshop is destructive to jpegs unless you use layers. Lightroom not.

Forgive my skepticism, but can you back that with a reference? It’s my understanding that ANY editing of a JPG (LR or otherwise) results in some level of degradation, but I’m happy to be educated here.

 

[Ysarex]

Fuji Silkypix does RAF to TIFF conversion. (This is a little off topic, since the point here was that Fuji OOC JPG is a better starting point towards finished photo as opposed to RAF)

Then the best approach is to immediately save a 16-bit TIFF from the JPEG and work from there.

If you are using Lightroom or On1 Photo RAW you can work on a Virtual Copy of the JPEG, and export the result without any degradation from the original JPEG.

This is incorrect. The exported JPEG will show degradation due to interaction between the applied edits and the compression grid in the original JPEG.

If you want to edit a 16-bit image, there is nothing to be gained by converting the JPEG to TIFF, just work with the RAW.

 

[Ysarex]

Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!

I shoot RAW+JPEG and import both into LR. If I choose to edit/adjust the JPEG (with whichever film sim) I do so with a Virtual Copy in LR. When done I use the Export dialog for sharing. That avoids any additional resave and compression IQ loss/degradation. That way I still have the RAF and the unmolested JPEG along with the edited/adjusted Virtual Copy

The edited Virtual Copy of the JPEG will exhibit further degradation due to the edit changes.

 

[Jerry-astro]

If you are using Lightroom or On1 Photo RAW you can work on a Virtual Copy of the JPEG, and export the result without any degradation from the original JPEG.

This is incorrect. The exported JPEG will show degradation due to interaction between the applied edits and the compression grid in the original JPEG.

Thank you. Absolutely my understanding as well. Reason #1 to avoid iterative editing of JPG files... best to start with RAW.

 

[stevo23]

Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!

I shoot RAW+JPEG and import both into LR. If I choose to edit/adjust the JPEG (with whichever film sim) I do so with a Virtual Copy in LR. When done I use the Export dialog for sharing. That avoids any additional resave and compression IQ loss/degradation. That way I still have the RAF and the unmolested JPEG along with the edited/adjusted Virtual Copy

Editing in LR is no destructive to jpeg. No? Not sure what you're referring to.

If what you’re editing is a JPG, is is, to my knowledge, most certainly destructive. Any editing of a lossy compressed format will result in progressive degradation of the image. That’s a good argument for starting with a RAW file which gives you a fresh JPG after each edit. That advice applies mostly to files that require a fair amount of iterative editing. Quick one-time edits for JPGs should be just fine.

Not Lightroom, it is a non destructive editor for any file. Photoshop is destructive to jpegs unless you use layers. Lightroom not.

Forgive my skepticism, but can you back that with a reference? It’s my understanding that ANY editing of a JPG (LR or otherwise) results in some level of degradation, but I’m happy to be educated here.

Here's the clue - there is no "save" command for images in LR.

Look up "Lightroom non-destructive editing" and you'll find a spate of articles, some by Adobe. I'd share one, but there are so many that it's hard to know which to share.

When you work in Lightroom and do edits, it's showing you what the edits will do to that file and saving those settings. But no changes are made to the file itself no matter what file format you have. And LR is not the only one.

So back to Mr. Len-O - you don't have to make virtual copies to protect your jpegs. The typical reason people make virtual copies is to create several treatments of the same file and compare them.

 

[BaeckerX1]

Hi all. This question has been bothering me lately. I shoot raw + jpeg but find it's so much easier getting the look I want wether B&W or COLOR by just editing the jpeg file I Lightroom. I honestly can't see any degradation of the file. Tweak the tone curve, adjust whites, blacks, exposure, reduce saturation, vignette or whatever. Probably the only thing I don't do is sharpen.

I know, why don't I just do the same to the raw file? Because it just takes a lot longer. A lot. And multiply by 100+ images and kiss your evening good bye.

So what do you think? Do you only edit raw? Or are you editing your jpegs? How much? Do you see degradation, if so how? Thanks a bunch!

I shoot RAW+JPEG and import both into LR. If I choose to edit/adjust the JPEG (with whichever film sim) I do so with a Virtual Copy in LR. When done I use the Export dialog for sharing. That avoids any additional resave and compression IQ loss/degradation. That way I still have the RAF and the unmolested JPEG along with the edited/adjusted Virtual Copy

Editing in LR is no destructive to jpeg. No? Not sure what you're referring to.

If what you’re editing is a JPG, is is, to my knowledge, most certainly destructive. Any editing of a lossy compressed format will result in progressive degradation of the image. That’s a good argument for starting with a RAW file which gives you a fresh JPG after each edit. That advice applies mostly to files that require a fair amount of iterative editing. Quick one-time edits for JPGs should be just fine.

Not Lightroom, it is a non destructive editor for any file. Photoshop is destructive to jpegs unless you use layers. Lightroom not.

It's a non-destructive editor...until you export/save the edited file.