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Srulik
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What is the best way to do after download pictures from CF card?
format the CF by 602z or dekete all files ?
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Srulik
format the CF by 602z or dekete all files ?
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Srulik
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liza wallis
Senior Member
I tend to delete in camera (don't delete via the computer). Only occasionally when I am having problems do I format.
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Bill C
Senior Member
I agree ... Delete (all) via the camera .... format if problems. I've had a few problems if I delete via the PC (running XP). The only problem I have is if I forget to delete in the camera, then start shooting away ... then in order to make room on the card I have to delete one at a time, instead of Delete all frames!....so now I usually delete as soon as I insert the card.
Bill
ChromeDome
Senior Member
Hi,
I tend to Format in camera after each download to the PC. I don't see the difference between Delete All and Format in usage terms. I would have thought that Format would write a known value "say zero or null" to all bytes on the card whereas Delete would just delete the File header as in DOS, thereby leading to fragmentation and slower writes etc. I'm not sure. Perhaps someone else has the definitive answer?
Greg
I tend to Format in camera after each download to the PC. I don't see the difference between Delete All and Format in usage terms. I would have thought that Format would write a known value "say zero or null" to all bytes on the card whereas Delete would just delete the File header as in DOS, thereby leading to fragmentation and slower writes etc. I'm not sure. Perhaps someone else has the definitive answer?
Greg
I'm with Greg. I always format (in camera) after downloading to PC.
ga-ga
Senior Member
Well
I leave the usb camera lead plugged into the PC.
I connect the lead and switch on the camera.
Finepix view starts up automatically.
I click one button and it creates a directory for the day, downloads and renames all frames, erases all from the camera, and I'm ready for a fresh start.........
Just one click......
always used a card reader with previous cams
but I think its great
regards ga-ga
( can't convince Eric though......!!)
I leave the usb camera lead plugged into the PC.
I connect the lead and switch on the camera.
Finepix view starts up automatically.
I click one button and it creates a directory for the day, downloads and renames all frames, erases all from the camera, and I'm ready for a fresh start.........
Just one click......
always used a card reader with previous cams
but I think its great
regards ga-ga
( can't convince Eric though......!!)
Okeo
Senior Member
Mind you, the same can be done with a card reader as well. As soon as I insert a card with pictures in it, FinePix Viewer starts with the card pictures already loaded. Then all I have to do, as you said, it push that one "Automatic Save" button you mentioned, and it takes care of the rest.
So it can be that easy as well with a card reader..
Plus you don't drain your batteries!Cheers,
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Charles - s602Z
tdkd13
Veteran Member
Okeo,
How did you get FinePix iewer to automatically launch itself upon sensing a SM card in the reader. I used a reader for a little while but found it annoying that it didnt create a directory for the date, and wouldnt let you append a prefix to the filename the way that FinePix Viewer did. It was alot faster though so if you can tell me how you got it to work I would resurrect my card.
Thanks Ted
How did you get FinePix iewer to automatically launch itself upon sensing a SM card in the reader. I used a reader for a little while but found it annoying that it didnt create a directory for the date, and wouldnt let you append a prefix to the filename the way that FinePix Viewer did. It was alot faster though so if you can tell me how you got it to work I would resurrect my card.
Thanks Ted
Mind you, the same can be done with a card reader as well. As soon
as I insert a card with pictures in it, FinePix Viewer starts with
the card pictures already loaded. Then all I have to do, as you
said, it push that one "Automatic Save" button you mentioned, and
it takes care of the rest.
So it can be that easy as well with a card reader..
don't drain your batteries!
Cheers,
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Charles - s602Z
Don on the Grand
Active member
I've just had the S602 for 9 days so I'm still in learning mode (and will be for some time). When I got the camera and installed the 1 GB microdrive it said I could take 3285 pictures of 1280 x 960 pixels in normal mode - exactly what it states in the manual. Today I cleaned off all of the pictures on the drive and it doesn't say 3285, but 3279. My guess is that this is no different than any drive on your computer. So, I'll watch that number and when it gets to, say, 3000, then I'll reformat and I should get back to 3285.
Don
Okeo
Senior Member
This is with Windows XP. The card reader provides me with a removable media on my computer. The first time you insert a card in it, Windows asks you what action you would like to be taken at that point. I believe this is the "AutoPlay" setting. Launching FinePix Viewer was one of the actions, and I chose that one. I also checked "Always do the selected action" checkbox.
This is very similar to what happens when you connect the camera directly with the USB cable -- this is how you chose FinePix Viewer as the program to launch automatically when you connect the camera.
Again, this is on XP. Haven't tried it on other Windows versions, so your mileage may vary. But I don't see why it could not be done.
Good luck,
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Charles - s602Z
shagen
Active member
I experienced what Don said below. I noticably get less number of frames if I just deleted the pictues from the camera. If I formated the SM, then I get back the full number of frames. It does not affect the speed of read or write or it was negligible that I did not noitice it. I use a 128MB SM Card.
Am not a technical person and not sure what effect it would have on the SN card, if I formatted each time I am finished with downloading compared to just erasing them and formatting once in a while. Not sure if it has any effect on the lifespan of the card.
Does anyone know?
Shagen
Am not a technical person and not sure what effect it would have on the SN card, if I formatted each time I am finished with downloading compared to just erasing them and formatting once in a while. Not sure if it has any effect on the lifespan of the card.
Does anyone know?
Shagen
Hi,
From what I understand, the format option removes 'everything' from the card - including images which have been marked as protected, whereas delete all just deletes your regular files. In this respect it might be safer to use the delete all option, but personally I always use format as I don't have the option to protect files on my camera anyway.
Another point - I'm not 100% sure, but I think that format actually erases data, and the delete option just marks files as 'ready to be written over'. So in the event that you've actually deleted some files by mistake you might actually be able to recover them if you used the delete option, but not if you've chosen to use format.
Anyone else know anything about this?
Nick
From what I understand, the format option removes 'everything' from the card - including images which have been marked as protected, whereas delete all just deletes your regular files. In this respect it might be safer to use the delete all option, but personally I always use format as I don't have the option to protect files on my camera anyway.
Another point - I'm not 100% sure, but I think that format actually erases data, and the delete option just marks files as 'ready to be written over'. So in the event that you've actually deleted some files by mistake you might actually be able to recover them if you used the delete option, but not if you've chosen to use format.
Anyone else know anything about this?
Nick
I think the Fuji actually over writes the data even during deletion.
http://www.flashcardfix.com/index.html
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If you have deleted or formatted your card in a FUJI camera, we can not help you. Fuji cameras write data over everything during a delete/format
Don on the Grand
Active member
If it operates like a computer drive (floppy, hard or whatever) that would be the case. My experience has been that the directory builds and builds and fragmentation also occurs. Reformatting starts from scratch. I'm going to reformat my microdrive periodically (primarily when leaving on a trip that I think will require full capacity).
Don
Cameron43
Forum Enthusiast
Matter of preference... personally If one wishes to delete the lot which is what I want to do most times after uploading to the computer I will reformat the card... I actually think its slightly faster than deleting them all.
This is my 7th digital camera and I've always formated mine and touch wood I've never had a card go faulty yet!
Cameron
TonyMarsh
Leading Member
What's the reasoning behind not deleting using the computer? Does the computer have direct access to the card? I'd have thought it would only issue instructions to the camera to delete the file(s).
Tony
(interested newcomer to the digital world)
Tony
(interested newcomer to the digital world)
Carolyn Cloe
Member
I have a S602z on order - hoping to get it tomorrow, so am very interested in all these threads. I had an experience with a Lexar 64MB CF card while looking at the S602z in a store. I took the card with me hoping they would let me try the camera in the store. We put the Lexar card into the CF slot. When the camera came on I saw a picture that was on it from my Nikon Coolpix 900. In the Nikon I always formatted the card when I put it into the camaera and had no problems. With the Coolpix that is what the instruction manual says to do. I found the format function on the 602 and formatted the card. It came up with "0" images on the lcd. Then when I tried to take a picture, the minute I pressed halfway for focusing the camera shut off. This happened repeatedly. The store salesman then got a new SanDisk CF card and put it into the 602, and everything was fine and I was able to take pictures in the store.
From some posts I read I thought maybe formatting the CF or SM card was a no no - now I'm confused.
My Nikon needed repair and I sent it in and the estimate was more than the camera is now worth (about 5.5 years old), so I decided not to repair it but to get a new camera. When I get the Nikon back (it still works but the pictures are too erratic and come out unfocused - some come out great), I will try formatting the Lexar card on it, and then put it into the 602 and see if that clears up the problem - hope it will!
Does anyone have any ideas on this problem, and how I can get that card to work in the s602z camera again?
From some posts I read I thought maybe formatting the CF or SM card was a no no - now I'm confused.
My Nikon needed repair and I sent it in and the estimate was more than the camera is now worth (about 5.5 years old), so I decided not to repair it but to get a new camera. When I get the Nikon back (it still works but the pictures are too erratic and come out unfocused - some come out great), I will try formatting the Lexar card on it, and then put it into the 602 and see if that clears up the problem - hope it will!
Does anyone have any ideas on this problem, and how I can get that card to work in the s602z camera again?
Bill C
Senior Member
Tony - I haven't had the problem with the PC deleting the pics from Compact Flash Cards (XP operating system) , however, I've had nothing but problems if I delete when using my Microdrive (older 340MB version)....therefore, I got in the habit of deleting/formating in the camera.
Regards,
Bill
Cameron43
Forum Enthusiast
Formatting has no detremental effect on the cards at all!.. a card is just a FAT16 ramdrive... no different to a ramdrive one can use on your PC. Except for the type of memory used. When you reformat, you are re-writing the cards Fat table nothing else, a bit like a index to a book for the non-technical. This is a area of the card (the first sectors) where information is kept about the cards contents. Each time you save a picture...information about the file and where it is located is stored in the Fat table. When you delete a picture the first character of the files name is changed to indicate that the space occupied by the file is available for re-use. Thats the reason why files can be very easily un-deleted.
Some format commands will rewrite the fat table and also wipe the whole contents by writing 00 zero's in the rest of the memory, but normally the Format command will simply rewrite the Fat table only as thats all it needs to do. How many times you format has no dis-cerning effect on the cards life...its just memory locations... no different to writing pics to memory locations..only difference is the camera checks the fat table each time a picture is saved so it knows the next available memory location where it can safely write the next picture you are saving... so that it does'nt overwrite the last one you saved.
The advantages of reformatting ensures that all the card is available for use, otherwise due to the way that pic files can sometimes be different sizes due to the picture content etc, just deleting the files may result in getting slightly less pictures on a card and the Pic file may not get saved as 1 contigious file (ie. defragmented) causing read/write times to be fractionally slower. Quite simply if you wish to delete all the pics I can assure you formatting is the preffered method and will 'definately not 'shorten the life of the card whatsoever.. FACT
Cameron
Cameron43
Forum Enthusiast
Further to the above.. I advise always formatting from the camera, simply for those that may not be aware of the differences between fat systems on the OS. You can safely format from the PC but only if if its formated using FAT16. If you dont know what this means.. I strongly advise you NEVER format your card from your PC until you do know the difference...LOL
) Better safe than sorry.. I think!Cameron
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