firmware 1.12

[Clickcam44]

Hi Everyone,

I was talking to a friend of mine who works as a rep for Fuji Canada last night and I was telling him about the posts in this thread and all the observations that all of you have seen in improvement or the worse performance made when the new firmwares have been installed.

Well when I told him about this he began to chuckle loudly. "Are you serious?" he asked me. He informed me that the firmwares only address the problem mentioned in the update and nothing other then that. Where you are all seeing these additonal changes in your images he can only wonder. Perhaps you are all making your eyes see them for some unknown reason. He repeated, the firmware only addresses the issue described in the update. When he visited Fuji in Asia he was well made aware of this in his training.

The changes you are seeing could be in result of subject matter, type of light, exposure, and many other factor in the taking of the picure and camera set up.

I repeat the new firmwares do not bare any other changes to the camera other then what's stated. So stop creating all these changes you believe you are seeing. Enjoy your camera and stop worrying if you should go back to version 1.09, 1.11, 1.12. You're driving people to insanity and not to enjoying the art of photography.

Cheers

 

[Anthony32599]

I for one might discount a report here and there from people, but there's too many good photographers here who would know whether they're getting better AF or not. Moreover, AF improvement might be a side effect of another fix. For example, since version 1.11 affects power issues, it might just be that the firmware corrects power distribution to the AF module in some way, resulting in better AF (even if that was not the intention).

So, while your friend may be right, it doesn't mean that the observations of the photographers therefore should automatically be discounted.

Also, it's well known that companies will also address problems that are not publicly known via firmware updates. Why? Because it doesn't do sales any good if your product has a bunch of unknown bugs made public by a firmware fix. Better to keep quiet and just fix it with a firmware update, along with the publicly known bugs.

I should also point out that the Fujifilm cameras are based on Nikon bodies and thus, Fujifilm firmware updates are likely slightly re-worked Nikon updates. With the S5 Pro, which is based on the D200, I can definitely say that the AF on the D200 and S5 Pro is not as good as I would have expected--I have issues with various lenses that I never had before. If a firmware fix, stealthy or not, deals with them, great. I haven't taken the time to see if this is the case after a firmware upgrade, but I think I can rely on the other posters here.

Anthony

Hi Everyone,

I was talking to a friend of mine who works as a rep for Fuji Canada
last night and I was telling him about the posts in this thread and
all the observations that all of you have seen in improvement or the
worse performance made when the new firmwares have been installed.

Well when I told him about this he began to chuckle loudly. "Are you
serious?" he asked me. He informed me that the firmwares only address
the problem mentioned in the update and nothing other then that.
Where you are all seeing these additonal changes in your images he
can only wonder. Perhaps you are all making your eyes see them for
some unknown reason. He repeated, the firmware only addresses the
issue described in the update. When he visited Fuji in Asia he was
well made aware of this in his training.

The changes you are seeing could be in result of subject matter, type
of light, exposure, and many other factor in the taking of the picure
and camera set up.

I repeat the new firmwares do not bare any other changes to the
camera other then what's stated. So stop creating all these changes
you believe you are seeing. Enjoy your camera and stop worrying if
you should go back to version 1.09, 1.11, 1.12. You're driving people
to insanity and not to enjoying the art of photography.

Cheers

--
check out my blog at http://anthonyonphotography.blogspot.com

 

[DavidMillier]

I can only repeat myself: changes as a result of firmware changes could** be possible. But the well known observer expectation bias cannot be discounted as an explanation.

Any serious attempt at verifying supposed changes should be done through carefully controlled tests. "Evidence" of the "I did the upgrade and now the AF feels speedier" is almost guaranteed to be the result of/influenced by expectation bias.

Photographers are NOT exempt from one of the most pernicious causes of incorrect anecdotal reporting: listen to subjective reports with a serious dose of salt (unless you want to believe something irrespective of whether it is true...).

So, while your friend may be right, it doesn't mean that the
observations of the photographers therefore should automatically be
discounted.

Also, it's well known that companies will also address problems that
are not publicly known via firmware updates. Why? Because it
doesn't do sales any good if your product has a bunch of unknown bugs
made public by a firmware fix. Better to keep quiet and just fix it
with a firmware update, along with the publicly known bugs.

I should also point out that the Fujifilm cameras are based on Nikon
bodies and thus, Fujifilm firmware updates are likely slightly
re-worked Nikon updates. With the S5 Pro, which is based on the
D200, I can definitely say that the AF on the D200 and S5 Pro is not
as good as I would have expected--I have issues with various lenses
that I never had before. If a firmware fix, stealthy or not, deals
with them, great. I haven't taken the time to see if this is the
case after a firmware upgrade, but I think I can rely on the other
posters here.

Anthony

Hi Everyone,

I was talking to a friend of mine who works as a rep for Fuji Canada
last night and I was telling him about the posts in this thread and
all the observations that all of you have seen in improvement or the
worse performance made when the new firmwares have been installed.

Well when I told him about this he began to chuckle loudly. "Are you
serious?" he asked me. He informed me that the firmwares only address
the problem mentioned in the update and nothing other then that.
Where you are all seeing these additonal changes in your images he
can only wonder. Perhaps you are all making your eyes see them for
some unknown reason. He repeated, the firmware only addresses the
issue described in the update. When he visited Fuji in Asia he was
well made aware of this in his training.

The changes you are seeing could be in result of subject matter, type
of light, exposure, and many other factor in the taking of the picure
and camera set up.

I repeat the new firmwares do not bare any other changes to the
camera other then what's stated. So stop creating all these changes
you believe you are seeing. Enjoy your camera and stop worrying if
you should go back to version 1.09, 1.11, 1.12. You're driving people
to insanity and not to enjoying the art of photography.

Cheers

--
check out my blog at http://anthonyonphotography.blogspot.com

--
Galleries and website: http://www.whisperingcat.co.uk/mainindex.htm

 

[Anthony32599]

I agree with what you have written; I'm only pointing out that I don't want to automatically discount what people are feeling/experiencing either.

Anthony

I can only repeat myself: changes as a result of firmware changes
could** be possible. But the well known observer expectation bias
cannot be discounted as an explanation.

Any serious attempt at verifying supposed changes should be done
through carefully controlled tests. "Evidence" of the "I did the
upgrade and now the AF feels speedier" is almost guaranteed to be the
result of/influenced by expectation bias.

Photographers are NOT exempt from one of the most pernicious causes
of incorrect anecdotal reporting: listen to subjective reports with a
serious dose of salt (unless you want to believe something
irrespective of whether it is true...).

 

[joepennant]

OldMaster,

I doubt you will do this (cuz youre a skeptic by nature and dont think it will actually do anything), but see if you can find a copy of firmware v1.04 and downgrade (dont worry, it wont harm your camera), use it for awhile.

Then upgrade it to v1.09 and see if you can tell if there are ANY differences in WB, speed, sharpness, color, image quality.

Just try it and see.

---------------

Joe Pennant

Admin - Fuji s5 Pro flickr group

http://www.flickr.com/groups/fujis5/

And who is goingto be the first to say they find the WB/AF/IQ better
with this up date!!!!!!!!!

 

[CWilt]

I have most of the S5 files if you want them.

Just let me know.

--
Charles
My family images are at http://www.stakeman.smugmug.com
Be sure of your subject.
Never, force the shot.

 

[Bad Pic kev]

go ahead and send them, ill try to get the site updated at the end of the week
--
I didn't know you had a rock and roll record
Until I saw your picture on another guy's jacket
You told me I was the only one
But look at you now it's dark and you're gone

 

[CWilt]

I will put them in the mail tonight. ;-)

go ahead and send them, ill try to get the site updated at the end of
the week
--
I didn't know you had a rock and roll record
Until I saw your picture on another guy's jacket
You told me I was the only one
But look at you now it's dark and you're gone

--
Charles
My family images are at http://www.stakeman.smugmug.com
Be sure of your subject.
Never, force the shot.

 

[Bad Pic kev]

thanks. does anyone have the S3 firmware updates?
--
I didn't know you had a rock and roll record
Until I saw your picture on another guy's jacket
You told me I was the only one
But look at you now it's dark and you're gone

 

[OldMaster]

I am one among a few who has been saying that repeatedly...and severely castigated for it!!!!

Despite the hundreds of postings regarding firmware up dates I have yet to see one before and after shot, taken in identical conditions that prove anything at all in terms of IQ..

And I am one of those "professional photographers"..with 25 years experience, etc,etc,etc..and I have made the Firmware up dates all the way from 1.04...and guess what, in all professional applications I have seen no changes other than those specified in the Fuji specs...either in IQ or AF ability..

Sorry!!!

 

[CWilt]

Thats not entirely correct. There has been a change in color if you shoot OOC jpeg.

I posted the difference in this thread.
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1020&message=29705353

There has been no change in the RAW files that I have found.

--
Charles
My family images are at http://www.stakeman.smugmug.com
Be sure of your subject.
Never, force the shot.