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well, if Nikon specs are so great that the D2x noise performance is so bad, then maybe there indeed is no FF sensor meeting Nikon specs, because there are only better FF sensors around... ;)

Ok, that comes in as a joke, but if Nikon would listen to what the pros say and launch a modified D2x with a FF sensor, even with the same 12 mp, i would be queueing up, even tho i'm now in the Canon camp. I just like the D2x a lot, but i want it in FF. I want the choice.

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I hope you have seen the samples around here and at FM of photos made using Nikkors mounted on a 5D. Awesome.

I want a D2x with a 12mp FF sensor. Nothing more than that. Reason? Many great Nikkors are designed for FF. For example, how can i shoot architecture using a wide angle shift lens on a D2x? I can't. It's not wide enough. I'd need a 17/2.8 DX shift lens. How can i shoot versatile portraiture on a D2x using a 70-200? I can't. It's too long. I'd need a 45-135/2.8 lens. Actually a 45-135/2 would be better to have the similar image. Why only Sigma has a DX 30/1.4? to substitute the lovely 50/1.4? :) The lack of these three lenses makes D2x NOT A VIABLE PRO CAMERA. It is a pro camera but with a very narrow choice of lenses. Dig it?

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I think it was a wrong decision in the first place to claim that DX is a good choice if the pros were not given all the correct DX lenses at the same time!

Four examples:
Nikon doesn't have the following DX lenses:
  • a wide angle shift lens for architecture
  • a circular fisheye
  • a 45-135/2 lens to have the DX version of the 70-200/2.8
  • a 30/1.4 lens to have the DX version of the 50/1.4
Until Nikon releases those lenses, i will not consider neither DX a pro-worthy standard, nor i will consider D2x to be a fully pro camera. Because what is a camera worth without the lenses? Nothing.

And until that moment, all you DX supporters, please be quiet.

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You're totally right Adam. I think D2x is an awesome camera. But it's not FF and that makes so many old Nikkors worth nothing.

Canon doesn't give you a choice either, really. The EF-S lenses are piece of feces and don't stand up to real pro standards.

Why Nikon, who never changed the lens mount standard throughout the years, suddenly tries to make us think that DX is the way of the future... Just plain BS. There are not enough DX lenses to let us be the fully versatile pros with the D2x.

I have repeated myself here many times and i will say it once more - give me these four lenses and i will think that DX is cool:
  • a wide angle shift lens for architecture
  • a circular fisheye
  • a DX version of the 70-200 (like a 45-135/2)
  • a DX version of the 50/1.4 (like a 30/1.4)
But even when they release it, there will still be people arround with a bunch of old expensive and awesome Nikkors, that are just made redundant with the change of format.

Cropped = crippled. Period.
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Meaning - not enough DX lenses to substitute all the good old Nikkors who were made redundant by the rudiculous change of format from FF to DX.

Give me four DX lenses:
  • a wide angle shift lens for architecture
  • a circular fisheye
  • a 45-135/2 to give the Nikonians the 70-200/2.8 back
  • a 30/1.4 to give the Nikonians the 50/1.4 back
Nikon is being rudiculous by saying that the D2x is a pro camera, if it doesn't release ALL THE NECESSARY DX lenses that give the pros the versatility that they need.

I'm an unbiased Canon user, and i just care for Nikon - this step would be so much better for Nikon - just release either a full line of DX lenses or the FF version of D2x. Look, Canon listened to their customers regarding the 5D - they created it. Now we're waiting for the same move from Nikon.

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I don't belong here but I would ust want to make some comments.

Does the Nikon or the world care that you don't consider D2X a "pro-worthy" camera?

Is Nikon going to go bust because they are not making a FF?

Can Nikon make a decent FF just by saying yes?
 
I don't belong here but I would just want to make some comments.

Does Nikon or the world care that you don't consider D2X a "pro-worthy" camera?

Is Nikon going to go bust because they are not making a FF?

Can Nikon make a decent FF just by saying yes?

I am not a pro but these comments just seem logical.
 
O.K.

Like....try this on for size. I did not even realize this until a full day in high country shooting the 5D.

The one thing I noticed after a couple days of shooting it? My eye is really relaxed and does not feel strained like it does on a crop camera. This just adds more value to the creative process for me.

It would only stand to reason that you may be harming your vision by looking at a bright scene in a box that is relatively far away in the viewfinder. Too much contrast for your eye to deal with properly.

This would explain why I have had a harder time manually focusing with those silly cameras.

With the image at least in your face, cropped or not, you are allowing your eye to kind of feather out the black areas of the frame and see clearly the image area. Cameras like the D70, D100, 10D, 20D, etc. They are like looking through a pair of paper towel tubes. Harsh.

Maybe the D2X is an improvement in how close it brings you the cropped image and diminishes that somewhat, but it is still not as easy on the eyes as a 35mm camera.
 
Member said:
Film_Rules said:
I am an artist, not a consultant or strategist. If you talk to a
counselor, he will tell you that no artist likes to paint with
brushes that have had the bristles reduced to little nubbs.

Sorry, but this is the real deal.
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But a true artist will use many brush sizes to work his or her
canvas - they will not restrict themselves to one brush, just
because they have a love for one particular size of brush.

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Carol
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Yep....but the artist has to "Feel" that the brushes are working right. Remember, art is about the feel.

Normal brushes on a DX canvas do not feel right to many artists. Not right at all.
 
People get so passionate about defending Nikon for what they don't have and accepting it that they forget withouht choices, we as the consumer lose. It's pretty basic stuff. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I can't wait till Nikon introduces FF, because when they do all these people who bought into the DX lenses that will want to upgrade will be in a real bind. The value of their DX glass will decrease substantially if Nikon essentially goes back on iits word and moves to FF.
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Currently refusing to upgrade until Nikon gives me FF.
 
I ask you, what is wrong with a healthy discussion? How many posts do we see a week on the following subjecs:

Do I need a D2X?
Trying to decided between D70 and D100?
Trying to decide if I should wait for the D200?
How good is X lens and please share smaples.

Their has always been a repetitive nature to forums, but sometimes through that repitition we unearth different perspectives that ultimately help someone.

If you can't see that, then I don't know what to tell you. Look back at my original post and you'll see the point for the discussion. This wasn't a Nikon needs FF thread, or Canon is better, etc. this was, well it should have been a great discussion on how we, as Nikon loyalists, lack options.

I'm sorry you didn't appreciate my post or the dialogue that followed.
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Currently refusing to upgrade until Nikon gives me FF.
 
Paul

Have a great day, maybe one day we'll learn to just agree to disagree.
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Currently refusing to upgrade until Nikon gives me FF.
 
I can totally see what your saying....IF it was true.

Some of us TRULY dont want FF.....and that is as much of the market speaking as you wanting it.

Dosnt mean I am blindly supporting nikon....if I was shooting canon....i'd still want the DX form factor

No worries....if enough people like you make your desires known...the option will appear in the nikon line. I do belive it listens to its market.

May I ask what you have done to let Nikon know you want FF?

Have you written them?

If more who do want it did write them....they might get a better understanding.

: )

Just a suggestion
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Julia

I always welcome your positive and helpful comments. Your onstinate nature has always been a source of inspiration for me. I'm also sure, Roman, if he's out there appreciates knowing you are never far behind. In my opinion BTW a sick person wishes ill will on a person. I've never met Roman and I don't want him hurt or worse. But honestly, I think it would be just if his gear were eaten by a bear; sorry if that humour isn't your cup of tea.
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Currently refusing to upgrade until Nikon gives me FF.
 
See Roman we can see eye to eye. Here is what I have done (that I have documentation on):

Letter on 7/12
Email Follow up on 7/19
Letter on 8/11
Email Follow up on 8/18

I've also signed countless online petitions and called customer service at least twice. And then more importantly, I've refused to purchase DX glass or upgrade. I'm not above purchasing used gear to upgrade, because by doing so, Nikon makes $0.00 incremental profit.

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Currently refusing to upgrade until Nikon gives me FF.
 
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