EOS mirrorless. Is this real?

[Skip M]

VERY UGLY camera.

As one who prefers that something works right and doesn't mind that the appearance suffers slightly, I'd be interested in how the thing handles. As it is, its form seems to follow the idea that it's a box that contains a sensor and has a large rear screen and a shutter button. Not sure how the lack of side grip will affect its handling, though.
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[dogcow23]

hmm this thing will kill off the g1x if its any good.

 

[JamesMor]

I think it is pretty clear that the writing is on the wall for SLRs. Don't get me wrong, it won't be tomorrow, but certainly in the foreseeable future that mirrorless cameras will replace dSLRs. There will be just no need for a mirror. LOL, I shudder to think what that will do to my lens investment that I have cultivated for the last decade - which is why I think that Canon and Nikon's offerings have been so tepid so far in the mirrorless realm.

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[jpr2]

...with your heart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=bPyhM2x9gT8# !
interesting part starts at approx. 3 min. abt. EF to EF-M adapter,

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[thomas2279f]

Looks better and more useful than Nikon's toy offering - excellent mount and sensor use of the Aps format & image quality.

Only grumble for me is the uk rip off price..

 

[PhotoKhan]

My wife with one of these and me being able to justify ourselves that we do need both a 24-105 and a 24-70 II , because, well, we'll both need a walkaround lens, won't we?



(Canon, spit out one of these in FF and I am at door tomorrow, cash in hand)

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[Scott Larson]

It looks remarkably like my Sony NEX, both in size and function. I guess as cameras get smaller, they tend to all look alike.

 

[Kabe Luna]

1) It's a battery hog
2) No optical finder (and, thus, no way to improve battery performance)
3) No articulated LCD

Canon is quite adept at protecting its products from one another. This thing is sufficiently (and unfathomably) hobbled to make sure there are good reasons still to want (indeed, for some, need ) the G1X.

hmm this thing will kill off the g1x if its any good.

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[Kabe Luna]

...are too compromised to replace DSLRs for users actually exploiting the potential and strengths of SLRs. I can see supplementing and SLR system with a mirrorless, but not replacing it. But if you use your DSLR as an oversized point-and-shoot, then I can see the view that mirrorless is the future. Indeed, it is the more viable future upgrade path for those moving up from point-and-shoots.

Don't you guys get it, a mirrorless camera is the future. That's why (in my opinion) Canon didn't put it's heart and soul into the 5d3. The camera depicted in this subject link above may not be the replacement, or may not even be real, but it will come in the next year. And that's why I didn't upgrade to a 5d3 from my 5d2.

Richard

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[Skip M]

1) It's a battery hog

Out of curiousity, how do we know this?

2) No optical finder (and, thus, no way to improve battery performance)

That's deal breaker number one in my book...

3) No articulated LCD

and deal breaker number two...

Canon is quite adept at protecting its products from one another. This thing is sufficiently (and unfathomably) hobbled to make sure there are good reasons still to want (indeed, for some, need ) the G1X.

It just leaves me waiting to see what, or if, Canon follows this with a more fully functional camera.

Phone cameras are killing small sensor point and shoots except for superzooms and I believe this is the reason for the advent of mirrorless cameras. Mfrs need to bring a product to market that has features that cannot be found on phones. You can do decent digital zoom for a phone, you can even get a contextually reasonable optical zoom on a phone but you can't do 10x and more nor can you get interchangeable lenses on a phone and keep its original functionality. So, in a literal sense, it's "go big or go home." Canon sticking its big toe in the water like they have with this camera absolutely must lead to more and better things, or there's really no point in this. They'd be better off sticking an APS-C sensor in a G1x successor, in my opinion.

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[jmaster]

And it's spectacular!

(With due apologies to Seinfeld....)
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[Edymagno]

I beg to differ, sorry. Other than the smart strap lug, there's nothing to it. Just a me too camera. Perhaps the Mk2 or Mk3.
Eduardo

And it's spectacular!

(With due apologies to Seinfeld....)
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[Kabe Luna]

1) It's a battery hog

Out of curiousity, how do we know this?

CIPA rating of 230 ( scroll down to "Battery Life": http://www.dpreview.com/previews/canon-eos-m/2 ). CIPA ratings are typically optimistic. Without an optical finder, you're almost guaranteed not to do better.

2) No optical finder (and, thus, no way to improve battery performance)

That's deal breaker number one in my book...

3) No articulated LCD

and deal breaker number two...

Canon is quite adept at protecting its products from one another. This thing is sufficiently (and unfathomably) hobbled to make sure there are good reasons still to want (indeed, for some, need ) the G1X.

It just leaves me waiting to see what, or if, Canon follows this with a more fully functional camera.

Phone cameras are killing small sensor point and shoots except for superzooms and I believe this is the reason for the advent of mirrorless cameras. Mfrs need to bring a product to market that has features that cannot be found on phones. You can do decent digital zoom for a phone, you can even get a contextually reasonable optical zoom on a phone but you can't do 10x and more nor can you get interchangeable lenses on a phone and keep its original functionality. So, in a literal sense, it's "go big or go home." Canon sticking its big toe in the water like they have with this camera absolutely must lead to more and better things, or there's really no point in this. They'd be better off sticking an APS-C sensor in a G1x successor, in my opinion.

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[Fraxinus excelsior]

We had mirrorless cameras throughout the film era and they did not prevail over the SLR. What is different now all of the sudden?

Well this isn't "all of a sudden" but back when even ASA 400 speed 35mm film was grainy, the medium needed all the light coming through the lens. Now that sensors can do ISO 3200 with amazing quality it might be time to look at pellicle mirrors again. Throwing a stop away isn't as expensive as it once was.

I don't expect the viewfinder to change until they make the screen refresh damn near instantaneous. Trying to follow action on my Sony NEX 5n's screen has been a joke.

Yeah thats on the LCD but the EVF Sony supply are just great. I tried the a77 EVF and its just amazing and action is no problem.

Kind regards

D

 

[oysso]

I think it is pretty clear that the writing is on the wall for SLRs. Don't get me wrong, it won't be tomorrow, but certainly in the foreseeable future that mirrorless cameras will replace dSLRs. There will be just no need for a mirror. LOL, I shudder to think what that will do to my lens investment that I have cultivated for the last decade - which is why I think that Canon and Nikon's offerings have been so tepid so far in the mirrorless realm.

Well, first it has to focus as fast as the DSLRs without fast focus, no real competion is certain segments. At most other aspects the mirrorless is as good as DSRLs except ergonomics and easy access to much used functionality.

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[altair8800]

Too early for analysis but it seems to be an aps-c Nikon 1. Nothing more. :-(
Eduardo

Nothing more, but much less. The Nikon V1 has a EVF but this thing has no viewfinder!

Dan

 

[jpr2]

Too early for analysis but it seems to be an aps-c Nikon 1. Nothing more. :-(

Nothing more, but much less. The Nikon V1 has a EVF but this thing has no viewfinder!

V1 is hobbled with a puny sensor, but at least besides EVF it has also an
on-sensor PDAF which actually works, quite well too - even while tracking
fairly dynamic scenes at 10 fps;

sort of almost too funny, as if they're saying: "at Nikon we can, but at
Canon they can't !!!" ,

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[oysso]

Before getting into the Sony Nex system, I waited to see Canon's answer, hoping for a mirrorless Canon that can leverage my EF lenses. I finally bit the dust, and bought a Nex-7.

With this "rumor", and a new mount EF-M, there is no advantage of the Canon mirrorless over the Sony. The Nex-7 have "allegedly" (since we don't know yet the spec of Canon) similar sensor size, possible better DR/IQ (Sony sensor vs Canon), both are incompatible with my Canon lenses and would require adaptor,.. not enough reasons to dump the Nex-7 for the Canon M.

It all depends on the following:
. Autofocus speed with native EF-M lenses
. Availability of an EF adapter that allows autofocus

You have obviously not seen demonstration of an EF lens being autofocused with the new camera . It works.

AF works with EF lenses.
And adapter exists.

The AF speed I really don't know how it compares to other mirrorless alternatives. But if you have a bunch of EF lenses it is better than buy a new system.

 

[jpr2]

You have obviously not seen demonstration of an EF lens being autofocused with the new camera . It works.

AF works with EF lenses.
And adapter exists.

The AF speed I really don't know how it compares to other mirrorless alternatives. But if you have a bunch of EF lenses it is better than buy a new system.

an official video from canon.it clearly shows that the AF speed is
pretty dismal:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=42090599

and with EF lenses on adapter it won't be any quicker; the thing is
that the processing power of a single Digic-5 is clearly not enough ;

you can check also complaints about sluggish AF on 650d, which shares
with the Eos-M both the on-sensor PDAF as well as the single Digic-5,
but which has also a dedicated PDAF sensor to augment focusing speed
while shooting stills,

jpr2
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music and dance:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/qmusaget/sets/72157600341265280/
B&W:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/qmusaget/sets/72157623306407882/
wildlife & macro:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/qmusaget/sets/72157600341377106/
interactive street:
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/qmusaget/sets/72157623181919323/

Comments and critique are always welcome!
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[Kabe Luna]

Until battery life, AF, lens systems and LCD screen resolutions–at a minimum–improve dramatically, mirrorless cameras are little more than supplements for serious cameras. I really liked my Lumix GF2, but it was a pain to use for serious picture taking: too little exposure control, no way to decouple AF from shutter release, too susceptible to the elements in adverse weather, too small to hold securely at times, too...

I think it is pretty clear that the writing is on the wall for SLRs. Don't get me wrong, it won't be tomorrow, but certainly in the foreseeable future that mirrorless cameras will replace dSLRs. There will be just no need for a mirror. LOL, I shudder to think what that will do to my lens investment that I have cultivated for the last decade - which is why I think that Canon and Nikon's offerings have been so tepid so far in the mirrorless realm.

James

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