Enough!

[Gerald M. Payne]

... from the tone of it.

Think again, Ger. As I recall, the first post of Keef's I read involved his "review and recommendation" regarding the E-1 after having handled it for about 10 minutes... well prior to introduction, back when everyone was having a turn at the E-1's expense. Every post I've read of his since then in this forum has been "anti-E1" and they've only gotten worse. He has a Canon, so why not be happy with it and quit dropping by here for the express purpose of irritating Oly forum members? No good came from his above ostrich post, so I thought it only fair to treat him the same way he gladly drops by and treats the members of this forum. I thought it time someone goosed his gander, so to speak.

Are you supporting or criticising Wile E. Coyote??

Read it, Ger. I'd have said, "read it again", but if you had, you'd know. ;-) Wile E., like many of us I suspect, is tired of people leaving and then finding the need to come back and tell us how much better things are, ad infinitum. It's like the way many people act when they find religion or quit whatever "habit" they have, for a while they feel they owe it to their "friends" to evangelize... God save me from those that would save me! ;-)

In any event it's no good getting your knickers in a twist. It only
makes you feel bad and the other fellow feel even better and
enhanced his perception of the event.

Ger, it takes a lot to twist my knickers, but I do get tired of seeing the same dingleberry taking potshots and ducking back behind cover week after week, so I thought I'd sprinkle some salt on his tail.

Sadly, more potential Olympus buyers will be put off, not by
ranting but counter ranting. You make a weak argument for Olympus
and the casual reader will see this and thing the other guy is more
right than you are.

Well, see it as you will, you always have. (as do we all ) It's pretty obvious the E-10/20 are not contenders for newer equip. like the 10D/300D, so I fail to see how anyone dropped the boom on thier own feet. Frankly, I think we're all just a bit tired of having it dropped on the E-1. Is it too much to have enough time to see what comes of this without continual sniping?

Naturally no one really cares what gear you use but you could try
and write in a more positive glowing way rather than the insecure
“being left behind” type of reply you made.

Ger, I was merely trying to turn the tables on this joker as he's been doing for some time in rants against the E-1. It's merely poetic justice. I'm not at all insecure, I still use my E-10, but I'll bet he is based on how many times he's stopped by to try and rain on our parade.

You probably know me from way back, today I merely state that I
love my gear, I rarely engage in camera criticisms as I have found
a company who have made what I am looking for.

Er, but you still find time to stick your nose in, I see. ;-) Trust me Ger, there isn't enough blarney in all of the Emerald Isle to put that one over on me. I remember you too well.

One of my regrets is that I did not keep my E10, today, nearly two
years on, I see advantages to the E10 which I could use today
commercially for the right subjects as technology is moving into
the fourth level we see new technology barriers which may in time
show the E10 to be a particularly advantageous package, live view
and 1/500 flash sync with great fine weather colours are a few that
come to mind.

Yes, the E-10 still has many good points in its favor. I still have mine and I doubt I'll sell it when I do finally upgrade. DOF can be helpful, and as you say the color is hard to beat. With a preset that matches daylight and my flash, white balance is hardly ever even a concern.

Canon is my friend ... the 1D is my spear ...

Oh please, now who's wearing their johnson on their sleeve? But, it is sort of catchy...

 

[Gerald M. Payne]

is just NOT dealing with your self-serving needs.

........ well you are SO right there, so I found a company who
does. About 18 months ago though, and again more recently, I see
nothing much has changed around here.

Hey Ger, aren't you that fellow I replied to above? The one so content with his newest of several cameras? Yet here you are again? I'm beginning to wonder just how content you really are? ;-)

So let me see if I got this right, you left Olympus(I wasn't aware you were that close) and found a company so good to you, you had no choice but to leave them for another... Gosh, Ger, I'm just a country bumpkin, but around here you might be thought fickle. ;-)

Canon is my friend ... the 1D is my spear ...

Ok, I said it was catchy before, but it's getting lamer...

 

[Anthony Cheh]

Ger Bee:

I'm truly pleased that you:

"...have recently found the best imaging tools in the world.
For [you] switching to Canon is like winning the lottery."

See: http://homepage.eircom.net/~gerardbee/equipment.html

However some of us are not aspiring photojournalists willing to drag around at least 7 pounds of cameras and lenses in order to achieve 8 frames per second on a 4 megapixel sensor with the remote hope of scooping the "national boys". (Your website indicates this is one of your unfulfilled ambitions with your 1D - except with Ms. Minogue).

But, given your need to return repeatedly to a home that once welcomed and supported you, just to boast of your new-found superiority (in poorly diguised form) and disparage others, you shouldn't be surpised if we're a bit skeptical as to the true extent of your riches.

Tony

... from the tone of it.

Think again, Ger. As I recall, the first post of Keef's I read
involved his "review and recommendation" regarding the E-1 after
having handled it for about 10 minutes... well prior to
introduction, back when everyone was having a turn at the E-1's
expense. Every post I've read of his since then in this forum has
been "anti-E1" and they've only gotten worse. He has a Canon, so
why not be happy with it and quit dropping by here for the express
purpose of irritating Oly forum members? No good came from his
above ostrich post, so I thought it only fair to treat him the same
way he gladly drops by and treats the members of this forum. I
thought it time someone goosed his gander, so to speak.

Are you supporting or criticising Wile E. Coyote??

Read it, Ger. I'd have said, "read it again", but if you had,
you'd know. ;-) Wile E., like many of us I suspect, is tired of
people leaving and then finding the need to come back and tell us
how much better things are, ad infinitum. It's like the way many
people act when they find religion or quit whatever "habit" they
have, for a while they feel they owe it to their "friends" to
evangelize... God save me from those that would save me! ;-)

In any event it's no good getting your knickers in a twist. It only
makes you feel bad and the other fellow feel even better and
enhanced his perception of the event.

Ger, it takes a lot to twist my knickers, but I do get tired of
seeing the same dingleberry taking potshots and ducking back behind
cover week after week, so I thought I'd sprinkle some salt on his
tail.

Sadly, more potential Olympus buyers will be put off, not by
ranting but counter ranting. You make a weak argument for Olympus
and the casual reader will see this and thing the other guy is more
right than you are.

Well, see it as you will, you always have. (as do we all )
It's pretty obvious the E-10/20 are not contenders for newer equip.
like the 10D/300D, so I fail to see how anyone dropped the boom on
thier own feet. Frankly, I think we're all just a bit tired of
having it dropped on the E-1. Is it too much to have enough time
to see what comes of this without continual sniping?

Naturally no one really cares what gear you use but you could try
and write in a more positive glowing way rather than the insecure
“being left behind” type of reply you made.

Ger, I was merely trying to turn the tables on this joker as he's
been doing for some time in rants against the E-1. It's merely
poetic justice. I'm not at all insecure, I still use my E-10, but
I'll bet he is based on how many times he's stopped by to try and
rain on our parade.

You probably know me from way back, today I merely state that I
love my gear, I rarely engage in camera criticisms as I have found
a company who have made what I am looking for.

Er, but you still find time to stick your nose in, I see. ;-)
Trust me Ger, there isn't enough blarney in all of the Emerald Isle
to put that one over on me. I remember you too well.

One of my regrets is that I did not keep my E10, today, nearly two
years on, I see advantages to the E10 which I could use today
commercially for the right subjects as technology is moving into
the fourth level we see new technology barriers which may in time
show the E10 to be a particularly advantageous package, live view
and 1/500 flash sync with great fine weather colours are a few that
come to mind.

Yes, the E-10 still has many good points in its favor. I still
have mine and I doubt I'll sell it when I do finally upgrade. DOF
can be helpful, and as you say the color is hard to beat. With a
preset that matches daylight and my flash, white balance is hardly
ever even a concern.

Canon is my friend ... the 1D is my spear ...

Oh please, now who's wearing their johnson on their sleeve? But,
it is sort of catchy...

 

[BJN]

Please take your accolades for Canon, Fuji, Nikon, ad nauseum, to
those respective forums and please let the OLYSLRTalk forum be what
it was designed to be.
If I've offended anyone, too bad! You are offending me with your
braggadaciousness regarding your "perfect" cameras.

So this forum should be nothing but a myopic lovefest for anything Olympus? Leave your critical thinking at the door and start singing Kumbaya.

--
BJN

 

[David M.]

So this forum should be nothing but a myopic lovefest for anything
Olympus? Leave your critical thinking at the door and start singing
Kumbaya.

No, that is'nt what Bill means at all. Let's try a little experiment just to clear things up. You go into the Canon and Nikon forums and start bashing and posting really negative things about thier cameras in there nonstop, while singing the praises of another camera make such as (insert alternative camera model here_ ) and see how far it gets you in THOSE forums.

I think this forum has been EXTREMELY gracious and forgiving when it comes to such bragging and nonsense. But to some of us, it just gets to be too much. If you're so happy with your new toy, go sing it's praises in it's respective forum, or at the least post something CONSTRUCTIVE AND INFORMATIVE here while you're at it, or just go away.

That was the point. By the way, up for the little experiment? I'll just sit back and watch while you are immediately drummed out of those forums brutally.

--
'Functionless art is simply tolerated vandalism.' --Peter Steele

 

[Ger Bee]

But, given your need to return repeatedly to a home that once
welcomed and supported you, just to boast of your new-found
superiority (in poorly diguised form) and disparage others, you
shouldn't be surpised if we're a bit skeptical as to the true
extent of your riches.

Tony

...... 'fraid you've lost me here.

I did not think I was disparaging to anyone. And I don’t have new found superiority, just a little serenity, I was happy with Olympus up to a point, I was hoping they would make a camera to suit me more but they did not and I was probably more accurate in my predictions than anyone else.

These are company policies and we have no control over them, except maybe not to purchase an offering, which is what I did twice passing up the Nikon D1x for a Canon 1D, a move initially sponsored by Olympus’s renewal and projected policies, and we only very recently have an Olympus camera that might have suited me if it had been developed sooner.

Contrarily I have a two year old and some call “obsolete” Canon ID because it was the only camera bar none that actually worked in all the areas that I have to work in. I won’t go over the E10 again, but the Nikon drove me completely crazy, despite it having a huge advantage over the E10 in a large arena, the E10 nonetheless was able to compete with it in colour and quality in the right conditions (my E10 sold the largest amount of wedding pictures for instance), the Nikon though had terrible flash control drifting exposures and drifting colours which made it a nightmare for anything approaching consistency.

I used to complain a lot, I don’t anymore and I know that people complaining have a lot more impact on the forums and purchasing decisions than people who try to counter claim or discredit the complainant. Certainly there are the trolls, who pass by any forum and want to start a row, these are usually identifiable and should simply be avoided. Complaints should be treated with respect until more is known about them, just because 90% of the forum don’t fall into a particular camera’s idiosyncrasy does not mean it does not exist at all.

Anyway it’s been nice chatting but my home was the Nikon Forum with a CP900S, and I still have one Olympus digicam lying around somewhere too. ))

 

[Ger Bee]

... from the tone of it.

Think again, Ger. As I recall, the first post of Keef's I read
involved his "review and recommendation" regarding the E-1 after
having handled it for about 10 minutes... well prior to
introduction, back when everyone was having a turn at the E-1's
expense.

......... my mistake.

I don't follow this forum everyday anymore but I am well aware of the effects of negative controversy.

I was very interested in an E1, Olympus’s claims are another matter but for all that the camera seems fine and definitely the Kodak sensor with firmware is the way of the future.

Cheers. )

 

[BobHo]

Let's make one thing clear - people who show off their expensive
cameras, are often just trying to compensate for feeling sexually
inadequate. Now I admit that the Canon 1Ds is a cutting-edge piece
of equipment, but all of it's capacities won't make one into a
better photographer. But yes, buying a Canon 1Ds will make one
forget about his sexual inadequacy for a moment at least.

--
Bob

 

[Anthony Cheh]

Ger Bee:

Your 9,327+ posts include a remarkable number of disparaging posts advising Nikon, Kodak and Olympus forum members why you're either moving on or have moved on to something "better" than they have. A few representative samples:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=4946846

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=4946815

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=4903010

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=4598861

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1026&message=3493089

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=3444210

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=2904971

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=2354741

There are many, many more.

We know you all too well:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1021&message=4950448

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=3444374

I believe the Nikon forum said "there goes the neighborhood" when you notified them you discarded Olympus and moved to Nikon?

Yes, you "used to complain a lot". You haven't changed much I see.

It's your choice. Some of your posts are actually helpful and supportive. Which Ger Bee/Gerard should we expect to see? The knowledgeable pro sharing useful experience and knowledge, or the unhappy one trying unsuccessfully elevate himself by tearing down others?

Tony

But, given your need to return repeatedly to a home that once
welcomed and supported you, just to boast of your new-found
superiority (in poorly diguised form) and disparage others, you
shouldn't be surpised if we're a bit skeptical as to the true
extent of your riches.

Tony

...... 'fraid you've lost me here.

I did not think I was disparaging to anyone. And I don’t have new
found superiority, just a little serenity, I was happy with Olympus
up to a point, I was hoping they would make a camera to suit me
more but they did not and I was probably more accurate in my
predictions than anyone else.

These are company policies and we have no control over them, except
maybe not to purchase an offering, which is what I did twice
passing up the Nikon D1x for a Canon 1D, a move initially sponsored
by Olympus’s renewal and projected policies, and we only very
recently have an Olympus camera that might have suited me if it had
been developed sooner.

Contrarily I have a two year old and some call “obsolete” Canon ID
because it was the only camera bar none that actually worked in all
the areas that I have to work in. I won’t go over the E10 again,
but the Nikon drove me completely crazy, despite it having a huge
advantage over the E10 in a large arena, the E10 nonetheless was
able to compete with it in colour and quality in the right
conditions (my E10 sold the largest amount of wedding pictures for
instance), the Nikon though had terrible flash control drifting
exposures and drifting colours which made it a nightmare for
anything approaching consistency.

I used to complain a lot, I don’t anymore and I know that people
complaining have a lot more impact on the forums and purchasing
decisions than people who try to counter claim or discredit the
complainant. Certainly there are the trolls, who pass by any forum
and want to start a row, these are usually identifiable and should
simply be avoided. Complaints should be treated with respect until
more is known about them, just because 90% of the forum don’t fall
into a particular camera’s idiosyncrasy does not mean it does not
exist at all.

Anyway it’s been nice chatting but my home was the Nikon Forum with
a CP900S, and I still have one Olympus digicam lying around
somewhere too. ))

 

[Ger Bee]

Wallow in the past, this is pathetic ......... I have grown and advise many, many members to steer them towards the right gear, I receive emails regularly thanking me for my frank and honest opinions.

I know I’ve written countless articles for newspapers and magazines and my archive is here but I move on.

And I can categorically proclaim the Canon 1D to be the best digital camera in the world bar none.

This is my stance now, today in October 2003.

Will I be saying this next year?

Thank goodness I can move on and explore new things it's certainly healthier than trolling a members posts but I can stand by every word I said, I am not ashamed of them and I am delighted with the response I get personally and not shared on this forum openly, and I am proud of my postings, but, and this is the most important part, this is a live and current forum, many of the things I've said in the past don’t interest me anymore.

I’ve decided to steer clear of the E1 despite this being the top email request that I receive.

--
Canon is my friend ... the 1D is my spear ...

http://www.bonuspix.com

 

[Babu Namibian]

Thank you!

Let's make one thing clear - people who show off their expensive
cameras, are often just trying to compensate for feeling sexually
inadequate. Now I admit that the Canon 1Ds is a cutting-edge piece
of equipment, but all of it's capacities won't make one into a
better photographer. But yes, buying a Canon 1Ds will make one
forget about his sexual inadequacy for a moment at least.

--
Bob

 

[Anthony Cheh]

Ger Bee:

Put down your spear.....toys are fun but they ain't where its at.

Tony

Wallow in the past, this is pathetic ......... I have grown and
advise many, many members to steer them towards the right gear, I
receive emails regularly thanking me for my frank and honest
opinions.

I know I’ve written countless articles for newspapers and magazines
and my archive is here but I move on.

And I can categorically proclaim the Canon 1D to be the best
digital camera in the world bar none.

This is my stance now, today in October 2003.

Will I be saying this next year?

Thank goodness I can move on and explore new things it's certainly
healthier than trolling a members posts but I can stand by every
word I said, I am not ashamed of them and I am delighted with the
response I get personally and not shared on this forum openly, and
I am proud of my postings, but, and this is the most important
part, this is a live and current forum, many of the things I've
said in the past don’t interest me anymore.

I’ve decided to steer clear of the E1 despite this being the top
email request that I receive.

--
Canon is my friend ... the 1D is my spear ...

http://www.bonuspix.com

 

[Anthony Cheh]

Ger Bee:

And I see that the past is still the present for you. Coming to the Olympus Forum and shouting "Canon best in the world bar none" is exactly the same kind of behavior that already made you so unwelcome in this forum and the Nikon forum.

Your toys really don't impress us because toys ain't where it's at.

Tony

Wallow in the past, this is pathetic ......... I have grown and
advise many, many members to steer them towards the right gear, I
receive emails regularly thanking me for my frank and honest
opinions.

I know I’ve written countless articles for newspapers and magazines
and my archive is here but I move on.

And I can categorically proclaim the Canon 1D to be the best
digital camera in the world bar none.

This is my stance now, today in October 2003.

Will I be saying this next year?

Thank goodness I can move on and explore new things it's certainly
healthier than trolling a members posts but I can stand by every
word I said, I am not ashamed of them and I am delighted with the
response I get personally and not shared on this forum openly, and
I am proud of my postings, but, and this is the most important
part, this is a live and current forum, many of the things I've
said in the past don’t interest me anymore.

I’ve decided to steer clear of the E1 despite this being the top
email request that I receive.

--
Canon is my friend ... the 1D is my spear ...

http://www.bonuspix.com

 

[Babu Namibian]

All right Ger, you are showing a constructive attitude and that's nice. By the way, guess what - I lived in Cork for three months last year. Yep, even tho I am Finnish I was in Cork. But now I can't remember the name of the street any more.

......... my mistake.

I don't follow this forum everyday anymore but I am well aware of
the effects of negative controversy.

I was very interested in an E1, Olympus’s claims are another matter
but for all that the camera seems fine and definitely the Kodak
sensor with firmware is the way of the future.

Cheers. )

 

[Ger Bee]

......... third time lucky maybe and I don’t care who is impressed or not.

I know where you are trying to take this splinter but I’m not following you, I’ve no need I don’t own an E10 anymore and don’t care to debate it further, all you want to hear from me is something nasty against Olympus, when I had my axe to grind I’d be with you in a nanosecond, but I have found peace and serenity with gear that is almost alive in my hands and is more an extension of my arm the way traditional cameras have been, BTW in passing the very best IMO (naturally) was the F4, a magnificent piece of clever design that the operator could use single handily, do you know the muck up they made of the F5’s film rewind?

Canon professional digital has come the closest to perfection for me than anything I’ve tried, and it’s and ageing camera to boot, in this capacity I don’t care how much it cost, cost it totally irrelevant if the tools do the job you need or want it to do, no point being envious, you probably would not do the work I do, the daily drudgery that sometimes saps the living soul from one and the last thing I want is anything fiddly in my camera gear and I’ve actually paid MORE for less, remember the D1x I had, a saucy price in comparison to the deal of the Canon, L lens, flash, battery and free software with firmware too if necessary, so high price is not necessarily a good indicator of quality.

I am reading the E1 reviews from the first ground troops who bought and paid for the machine, it’s making very interesting reading.

--
Canon is my friend ... the 1D is my spear ...

http://www.bonuspix.com

 

[Ger Bee]

We've dug up the whole place so the street might not even be there anymore!!

 

[Babu Namibian]

We've dug up the whole place so the street might not even be there
anymore!!

North side of the river, past the first old church. There were many pubs - they seemed to be mostly for old-timers. Then there was a big catholic church, one goes down the hill a bit and there I lived. It was "Mews" something. A big brewery to the east. I worked in Hollyhill, to the west. I wish I had the map still but I left it there.

 

[Anthony Cheh]

(chuckles at the serene spear chucker and moves on)

Enjoy your 1D. It is no doubt one of the very best DSLRs today. It builds strong arms and shoulders too. That's a real plus for spear chuckers.

Tony

......... third time lucky maybe and I don’t care who is impressed
or not.

I know where you are trying to take this splinter but I’m not
following you, I’ve no need I don’t own an E10 anymore and don’t
care to debate it further, all you want to hear from me is
something nasty against Olympus, when I had my axe to grind I’d be
with you in a nanosecond, but I have found peace and serenity with
gear that is almost alive in my hands and is more an extension of
my arm the way traditional cameras have been, BTW in passing the
very best IMO (naturally) was the F4, a magnificent piece of clever
design that the operator could use single handily, do you know the
muck up they made of the F5’s film rewind?

Canon professional digital has come the closest to perfection for
me than anything I’ve tried, and it’s and ageing camera to boot, in
this capacity I don’t care how much it cost, cost it totally
irrelevant if the tools do the job you need or want it to do, no
point being envious, you probably would not do the work I do, the
daily drudgery that sometimes saps the living soul from one and the
last thing I want is anything fiddly in my camera gear and I’ve
actually paid MORE for less, remember the D1x I had, a saucy price
in comparison to the deal of the Canon, L lens, flash, battery and
free software with firmware too if necessary, so high price is not
necessarily a good indicator of quality.

I am reading the E1 reviews from the first ground troops who bought
and paid for the machine, it’s making very interesting reading.

--
Canon is my friend ... the 1D is my spear ...

http://www.bonuspix.com

 

[Babu Namibian]

I shoot with an ancient E-10. I make prints up to 16x20 with no

Wile E. Coyote, you started a very interesting thread. I am not learning anything about photography - but it's a ride! Thanks!

 

[Roland Karlsson]

I agree with Bill that we have been subjected to [More Than] Enough
posts that seem to be bashing Oly products rather than discussing
the advantages and disadvantages of different cameras in a rational
tone.

Personally I see more posts that bash people that don't
love Oly cameras than I see posts that bash Oly cameras.

This thread is a very interesting example. One person
bashes Oly and lots of people bashes him. Strange
behaviour in my eyes.

Roland