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Roland Karlsson said:
Wile E. Coyote said:
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If I've offended anyone, too bad! You are offending me with your
braggadaciousness regarding your "perfect" cameras.
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Calm down Wile!

I agree that it is childish to belittle the camera you don't buy.
But I really think that it is equally childish to get offended
by childish behaviour. This thread that you have started is rather
unneccessary. We are discussing cameras and photography here
and IMHO there is no need to bully other people (yes telling
someone that his post is offending is bullying, even threating).

Take it easy,
Roland
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If I understand you correctly, Roland, my post offends you?

"yes telling someone that his post is offending is bullying, even threating"

QED

Bill...

Acme E-10, Acme LiPo, Acme WCON08B, Acme FL-40, Canon off camera cord, Acme Brand Stroboframe, Acme Promax Softbox, Acme GraphireII...other stuff, too...

 
Wile E. Coyote said:
If I understand you correctly, Roland, my post offends you?
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Nope, it don't.

Wile, I will try to say it in another way.

My advice is to treat posters as people. Because that is
what they are. You don't go around and telling people
at random that their opinions/writings/sayings offends
you. You only do that if you have a real, real, real good
reason. And that someone don't like a certain camera
is not a good reason IMHO.

So - take it as a friendly advice. Don't get upset and offended
over some random posts here that you don't like.

You can of course argue when you think someone is wrong.

Roland
 
Roland Karlsson said:
Wile E. Coyote said:
If I understand you correctly, Roland, my post offends you?
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Nope, it don't.

Wile, I will try to say it in another way.

My advice is to treat posters as people. Because that is
what they are. You don't go around and telling people
at random that their opinions/writings/sayings offends
you. You only do that if you have a real, real, real good
reason. And that someone don't like a certain camera
is not a good reason IMHO.

So - take it as a friendly advice. Don't get upset and offended
over some random posts here that you don't like.

You can of course argue when you think someone is wrong.
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I think the point of this thread was to challenge the stated "superiority" of these new cameras, which are blustered about whenever someone leaves the forum for another brand, or pops back in to show sympathy for us.

My E20 is such a jewell of a camera, I have seen no reason to "upgrade" to another 5 or 6 MP camera, nor have I seen photo examples that are visibly superior to what I am getting.

If I'm wrong, maybe someone who owns two or three of these cameras can post a comparison that shows images that illustrate this superiority.

Gary Eickmeier
 
Roland Karlsson said:
Wile E. Coyote said:
If I understand you correctly, Roland, my post offends you?
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Nope, it don't.

Wile, I will try to say it in another way.

My advice is to treat posters as people. Because that is
what they are. You don't go around and telling people
at random that their opinions/writings/sayings offends
you. You only do that if you have a real, real, real good
reason. And that someone don't like a certain camera
is not a good reason IMHO.

So - take it as a friendly advice. Don't get upset and offended
over some random posts here that you don't like.

You can of course argue when you think someone is wrong.

Roland
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No arguments, Roland.
Thanks for your advice.
Best regards,
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Bill...

Acme E-10, Acme LiPo, Acme WCON08B, Acme FL-40, Canon off camera cord, Acme Brand Stroboframe, Acme Promax Softbox, Acme GraphireII...other stuff, too...

 
for understanding my point.
No arguments. I stand by my original post.
Gary Eickmeier said:
Roland Karlsson said:
Wile E. Coyote said:
If I understand you correctly, Roland, my post offends you?
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Nope, it don't.

Wile, I will try to say it in another way.

My advice is to treat posters as people. Because that is
what they are. You don't go around and telling people
at random that their opinions/writings/sayings offends
you. You only do that if you have a real, real, real good
reason. And that someone don't like a certain camera
is not a good reason IMHO.

So - take it as a friendly advice. Don't get upset and offended
over some random posts here that you don't like.

You can of course argue when you think someone is wrong.
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I think the point of this thread was to challenge the stated
"superiority" of these new cameras, which are blustered about
whenever someone leaves the forum for another brand, or pops back
in to show sympathy for us.

My E20 is such a jewell of a camera, I have seen no reason to
"upgrade" to another 5 or 6 MP camera, nor have I seen photo
examples that are visibly superior to what I am getting.

If I'm wrong, maybe someone who owns two or three of these cameras
can post a comparison that shows images that illustrate this
superiority.

Gary Eickmeier
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Bill...

Acme E-10, Acme LiPo, Acme WCON08B, Acme FL-40, Canon off camera cord, Acme Brand Stroboframe, Acme Promax Softbox, Acme GraphireII...other stuff, too...

 
... from the tone of it.

Are you supporting or criticising Wile E. Coyote??

In any event it's no good getting your knickers in a twist. It only makes you feel bad and the other fellow feel even better and enhanced his perception of the event.

Sadly, more potential Olympus buyers will be put off, not by ranting but counter ranting. You make a weak argument for Olympus and the casual reader will see this and thing the other guy is more right than you are.

Naturally no one really cares what gear you use but you could try and write in a more positive glowing way rather than the insecure “being left behind” type of reply you made.

You probably know me from way back, today I merely state that I love my gear, I rarely engage in camera criticisms as I have found a company who have made what I am looking for.

One of my regrets is that I did not keep my E10, today, nearly two years on, I see advantages to the E10 which I could use today commercially for the right subjects as technology is moving into the fourth level we see new technology barriers which may in time show the E10 to be a particularly advantageous package, live view and 1/500 flash sync with great fine weather colours are a few that come to mind.

--
Canon is my friend ... the 1D is my spear ...

http://www.bonuspix.com
 
In about 2 hours I am going to my grandson's and son's birthday party. I am taking my outdated underperforming E-20 with the inadequate FL40.

I will shoot in SHQ and use a LumiQuest UltraSoft diffuser.

The photos will go into various family albums. The skin tones will be right on, the colorful paper will be beautiful and the family will continue to be pleased.

Because I have shot thousands of photos in my 40+ years of photography and because I have STUDIED how to do good photography, my photos will be much better than the family takes with their point and shoot cameras. However, at a recent event I forgot to charge my batteries for the E-20 and so I used my son's Olympus Stylus 35mm camera.

The photos were great, the composition was nice and the family was pleased. See, it isn't the camera, it's the photgrapher. I see no reason at this point to abandon my oldfashioned E-20. I have charged the batteries (3 sets) for today's party.

Dave Dougherty
 
Mark,

Why are you sitting at the computer, I thought you were "supposed" to be out shooting today? ;-)

Are you back already, or didn't you get to go?

--
Phil A

Photography is an art of illusion, capturing reflections of reality and putting them on paper to create a mood.



E-20, TCON-314, lens hood, on old rifle stock with external battery pack and RM-CB1

Photo-Art by J. Phil Arnold -- http://www.jphilarnold.com
 
Phil Arnold said:
Mark,

Why are you sitting at the computer, I thought you were "supposed"
to be out shooting today? ;-)

Are you back already, or didn't you get to go?
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I didn't go. I made a decision late last night. Part of it was due to need of sleep, needing to spend more time with my dog, and part just a feeling it wasn't going to happen (flying).
Here's my reply to Archie in another thread:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=6405793

Thanks for asking though. I just needed a rest day.
--
markE
'Walk softly, and carry big glass'
pbase supporter

'In wildness lies the preservation of the world.'
-Henry David Thoreau
-Gallery: http://www.pbase.com/marke/gallery/wingsoflight

 
markE said:
Thanks for asking though. I just needed a rest day.
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I know what you mean! I would have liked to get up to the Mississippi this weekend, but just couldn't spend the time or energy either. Carol and I got out on Lake Red Rock about 40 miles from here yesterday and are about to leave to go back there this afternoon. I posted some shots of Pelicans I took yesterday as a new thread a few hours ago.

--
Phil A

Photography is an art of illusion, capturing reflections of reality and putting them on paper to create a mood.



E-20, TCON-314, lens hood, on old rifle stock with external battery pack and RM-CB1

Photo-Art by J. Phil Arnold -- http://www.jphilarnold.com
 
Dave Dougherty said:
In about 2 hours I am going to my grandson's and son's birthday
party. I am taking my outdated underperforming E-20 with the
inadequate FL40.

I will shoot in SHQ and use a LumiQuest UltraSoft diffuser.
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For adding some posts about (gasp!!!) photography rather than "why my camera is better".

Off to take more pictures with my E-1

Tony
Dave Dougherty said:
The photos will go into various family albums. The skin tones will
be right on, the colorful paper will be beautiful and the family
will continue to be pleased.

Because I have shot thousands of photos in my 40+ years of
photography and because I have STUDIED how to do good photography,
my photos will be much better than the family takes with their
point and shoot cameras. However, at a recent event I forgot to
charge my batteries for the E-20 and so I used my son's Olympus
Stylus 35mm camera.

The photos were great, the composition was nice and the family was
pleased. See, it isn't the camera, it's the photgrapher. I see no
reason at this point to abandon my oldfashioned E-20. I have
charged the batteries (3 sets) for today's party.

Dave Dougherty
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You mean that the 1DS has something longer than a 300mm lens? I feel inadequate already...
 
Well stated Bill.

I've gotten so tired of all the off-topic threads, "moving on" threads, "my camera is better than yours" threads and the general nonsense of this forum lately that I find myself not even bothering to peruse it anymore. I feel like I'm moving on too.....not to another camera, but to another forum and website.

Good, informative discussion about differing cameras and thier technologies is always interesting and enlightening. I'm sure one day all of us will be moving on to another system, whether it be Oly or not. Those types of discussions will better arm us all in the future with better knowledge and savvy about what to look for down the road. But it's the "my camera is bigger than yours" and the "Exx is garbage compared to" threads that just get so old and tired after being posted here ad-nauseam that it just makes the entire forum unbearable at times.

I responded in one thread recently where a gentleman stated that "for professional shots, you know, the pro look, I use my Canon". I was like, what? I don't know. Do you mean the camera somehow magically produces sparkly, shiny "pro" pictures? What hogwash. No mention whatsoever about technique, shooting style, editing procedure, color space, nothing......just another "my camera has a bigger phallic than yours" post. And that seems to be the general modus operandi of many upgraders.

I remember when the D60 and D100 came out, the same thing was going on here, perpetrated by alot of the so-called old timers who supposedly this forum could'nt live without for whatever reason. Well, after they finally got thier jollies out by more or less insulting the rest of us poor slobs who were still quite happy with our Oly's, and they saw fit to finally deny the rest of us thier shining presence here, guess what? The forum did just fine without em. Now it's happening again, much to my extreme boredom, and to top it off we now have the E1 bashing and endless redundant debating going on. It's just so old. Yawn.

When it's time for me to move on to another system, I will thank all those here who have helped me in my persuit of photographic knowledge and will even stick around after that to participate and attempt to give back what's been given. I will forever credit the E20 for furthering my photographic interests by light years, and will always think of it as an excellent machine and a truly pioneering device in the field of digital imaging. But I don't think I'll ever get my jollies out of comparing it obsessively against a machine much more recent and questionably advanced, no matter how much "better" the newer machine may be. I will never ungraciously rub current Exx'ers noses in the fact that I have "moved on" just to satisfy my own justifications for buying another camera and to appease my fragile ego. I'll recognize the fact this forum is intended for Oly users, and respect that, while also respecting the FACT that many current users still seem somehow to coax BEAUTIFUL imagery out of the machine, imagery that is quite comparable to the capabilities of the very best machines out there.

In the meantime, I just ignore the hoopla and nonsense and concentrate on threads of real substance.
Wile E. Coyote said:
I shoot with an ancient E-10. I make prints up to 16x20 with no
problem. Little noise (grain) and very little CA.
This is an awesome piece of equipment, as is the E-20, and I'm sure
the E-1.
Write times? Slow.
Color rendition? Awesome!
Dust? None!
To all of you have moved on to other "stuff", good luck. There's
no sense in coming to this forum and telling all of us what's
"wrong" with Olympus; there's nothing wrong with Olympus! Olympus
is just NOT dealing with your self-serving needs.
Please take your accolades for Canon, Fuji, Nikon, ad nauseum, to
those respective forums and please let the OLYSLRTalk forum be what
it was designed to be.
If I've offended anyone, too bad! You are offending me with your
braggadaciousness regarding your "perfect" cameras.

--
Bill...
Acme E-10, Acme LiPo, Acme WCON08B, Acme FL-40, Canon off camera
cord, Acme Brand Stroboframe, Acme Promax Softbox, Acme
GraphireII...other stuff, too...

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'Functionless art is simply tolerated vandalism.' --Peter Steele

 
I agree with Bill that we have been subjected to [More Than] Enough posts that seem to be bashing Oly products rather than discussing the advantages and disadvantages of different cameras in a rational tone.

We all know that every camera has both advantages and disadvantages, and that the needs of each of us will differ. There is no single camera system that will be best for everyone of us. We each must pick the camera we use by weighing the advantages and disadvantages against our needs, priorities, and budgets. It is childish for one person to post a message that suggests those who don't make the same choice as the poster has made.

I believe that we all appreciate reading the views others have about the equipment they find best suited to meet their own specific needs, if those views are presented in a way that does not imply that people who choose a different camera are defective.

I believe what Bill was objecting to is the abundance of posts recently that sound more like political mud slinging than like rational sharing of individual needs and preferences.

Bill, I agree that there have been more than enough posts that come accross as having that mud slinging tone, and that posts with that kind of a tone diminish the entire forum. Thanks for starting this thread.

--
Phil A

Photography is an art of illusion, capturing reflections of reality and putting them on paper to create a mood.



E-20, TCON-314, lens hood, on old rifle stock with external battery pack and RM-CB1

Photo-Art by J. Phil Arnold -- http://www.jphilarnold.com
 
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