DPrevived and "DPreview Clone" forums

[joe173]

The main problem of new DPREVIEW clones being created is that they will not have enough resources (disk space, flexibility, etc) to implement similar to a DPREVIEW structure.

My personal website hosting service gives me unlimited space and doesn't care (AFAIK) what I put up there.

And there are too many bugs when they start.

"they" are using pre-coded software, not starting from scratch, see:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Internet_forum_software

<>

I just read that they have a software programmer now.

Resources are easy to overcome, that's not an issue. Getting the features ironed out, and attracting users and good content is a bigger issue. You can have a great option, but if people don't use it or know about it, then it just sits there.

I'm willing to give them three months, even six months to get things up and running. i plan to use one of the clones, whichever is more popular. There's plenty of resources on the internet to spend my time on. I already know which devices I want to buy (a medium format film or digital) and/or the Sigma FF camera, whichever comes first. I have a ton of film scanning also to get to work on.

Having been through a number of forum transitions before the 2 most important things are

a) Wherever the community lands, whomever is in charge is both respected AND has a long history of running forums. It's fun for a few months or even a year or two. It becomes a chore after that - so for that reason landing in a place that has a track record of hosting communities is important.

b) Yeah - that people show up and use it. People always get lost along the way - even die hards will fall off for whatever reason - the dopamine hit isn't the same or whatever. And with DPR - some people may only visit once a month or once every few months, all those people will have a hard time finding the new place. (I mean seriously - less than one month notice? Then again Amazon employees - including DP Review staff have it much worse.)

There's plenty of open source forum packages out there. The debate between this interface or that - threaded or not - is a niggle. Some people will always prefer one over the other. Actually finding a place for the community that lasts will be the big thing.

What I'm hoping is that over time, one of these alternatives will take off. People won't have to look to find it, it will be the de facto "next thing" (ie will become well known in the industry--the go-to site). This won't happen overnight. It may take a few years. Meanwhile, the clone sites should be enough to keep sharing Sigma information, product developments, and the like--for now. Basically, with DP closing, it creates a vacuum for someone else to fill that space. Maybe a few dozen sites will spring up. There's enough talent to make it happen. Then over time, most of us will coalesce around the most professional high-quality site. It's not like people won't stop reviewing equipment or posting about it online. It's just it will take time to get back to the level of *this* site. Fortunately, the user forums are much easier to duplicate and keep going.

 

[joe173]

Yeah, sorry, but DPreview Clone is not going to work out. I can't even post a 2 MB jpeg there, let alone a 25 MB full-size jpeg. I wonder what they're thinking.

Patience. It's been what a week? Think of this like the first draft of a script for a book. If there is enough interest, the site will continue to improve.

 

[left eye]

DRP Clone is limited to a 0.5MB max file size - this is a deal breaker. It's been like this for years, and as the servers are delivering multiple sister photo sites, I don't see this max file size increasing soon.

DPRevived is currently at 4MB max file size, with the possibility of an increase down the line.

4MB though is actually generally more than ample, I've been posting 28MP images on the medium format forum there, and another forum buddy 48MP images.

So on this point alone, I'd hang in at DRPevived, watch it develop and offer requests and feedback.

 

[Scottelly]

Yeah, sorry, but DPreview Clone is not going to work out. I can't even post a 2 MB jpeg there, let alone a 25 MB full-size jpeg. I wonder what they're thinking.

Patience. It's been what a week? Think of this like the first draft of a script for a book. If there is enough interest, the site will continue to improve.

I understand what you're saying, but those free forum hosts want an arm and a leg for drive space. When I started the Sigma Camera Talk forum on one of those the other day I found out that it comes with just 200 MB of space! That's like nothing. To step up to 500 MB it costs very little, but to step up to a more useful 4 GB it costs an exorbitant $30 per month! I would never dream of paying that, when I can pay $5 per month for a hosting account with "unlimited" space and bandwidth (as long as I pay for three years' worth of service up front). With such an account I could create a forum site in WordPress with a forum plugin for free, and I could set my file upload limit to 100 MB to start with. That is the least someone should be doing, but they're not.

 

[Scottelly]

My personal site costs about £100 per year in fees. The professional site I ran until I retired last year wa £25k per year. It all depends on what you want.

What I want is for a true clone of this site to be made, ... <>

Huh??

Do you really mean "a true clone" as in a fully operational exact copy with no changes at all except for the domain name? !!!

While that would be nice, at least a forum system that operates very similarly would be nice Ted. I'd prefer the site be responsive though, rather than having "mobile mode" and "desktop mode." I realise we can't have all the posts and images from this forum transferred over, though I wish that was possible. I'd actually like some improvements though, such as a less restrictive filter for swearing and such. I mean the Web is a place full of adults, after-all, and they've been treating us like elementary school kids. Even the President of the United States says stuff in public speeches that the filter in these forums blocks us from saying. It's ridiculous, and childish, and frankly I'm sick of this woke nonsense.

 

[Scottelly]

My personal site costs about £100 per year in fees. The professional site I ran until I retired last year wa £25k per year. It all depends on what you want.

What I want is for a true clone of this site to be made, but that requires someone to step up, and invest some money (not just $25 or $50 per month into hosting larger images and video clips, but a real solution, allowing full-size images and large video clips, with a 500 MB file size limit, which means a lot more than just an extra 2, 5 or 10 GB of server space - it needs more than 10 TB of server space to start with, and a serious commitment to increase the capacity as is needed, which could cost a few thousand dollars per year, whether the advertising revenue is there at yhe time or not). What this projuct needs is a relatively wealthy benefactor, who is willing to sink a few grand up front, and is committed to pay for maintaining the system (maybe a grand or two per month) for the forseeable future (or at least the next ten years).

This is the closest you'll get...

...a big idea, requires we all download our data from here, then this guy, Peter Green, will rebuild the forums from that data -

https://www.change.org/p/make-dp-review-a-public-domain-archive/u/31434523

- but it won't be the whole site.

Thank you. I hadn't seen that. Hopefully Ted and at least a few other frequent posters here will see that and take action on it. I will. It would be a shame to completely lose my more than 17,000 posts.

 

[joe173]

Yeah, sorry, but DPreview Clone is not going to work out. I can't even post a 2 MB jpeg there, let alone a 25 MB full-size jpeg. I wonder what they're thinking.

Patience. It's been what a week? Think of this like the first draft of a script for a book. If there is enough interest, the site will continue to improve.

I understand what you're saying, but those free forum hosts want an arm and a leg for drive space. When I started the Sigma Camera Talk forum on one of those the other day I found out that it comes with just 200 MB of space! That's like nothing. To step up to 500 MB it costs very little, but to step up to a more useful 4 GB it costs an exorbitant $30 per month! I would never dream of paying that, when I can pay $5 per month for a hosting account with "unlimited" space and bandwidth (as long as I pay for three years' worth of service up front). With such an account I could create a forum site in WordPress with a forum plugin for free, and I could set my file upload limit to 100 MB to start with. That is the least someone should be doing, but they're not.

Honestly, with enough knowledge, you can host a site for not that much money. Create an unraid server with a collection of old hard drives. Old used SCSI hard drives are very cheap. Buy an older server for a few hundred and host yourself. The biggest cost would be the business connection from the ISP. This DIY setup isn't that costly, besides the electricity and ISP connection. With enough users, just asking for donations should be enough. Hosting companies are always going to charge. That's how they make money. People not wanting the hassle or not having the knowledge just pay someone else for a setup. However, anyone who can custom-build a website and program it, should have the necessary skills to host it also.

 

[Johan Borg]

Yeah, sorry, but DPreview Clone is not going to work out. I can't even post a 2 MB jpeg there, let alone a 25 MB full-size jpeg. I wonder what they're thinking.

Patience. It's been what a week? Think of this like the first draft of a script for a book. If there is enough interest, the site will continue to improve.

I understand what you're saying, but those free forum hosts want an arm and a leg for drive space. When I started the Sigma Camera Talk forum on one of those the other day I found out that it comes with just 200 MB of space! That's like nothing. To step up to 500 MB it costs very little, but to step up to a more useful 4 GB it costs an exorbitant $30 per month! I would never dream of paying that, when I can pay $5 per month for a hosting account with "unlimited" space and bandwidth (as long as I pay for three years' worth of service up front). With such an account I could create a forum site in WordPress with a forum plugin for free, and I could set my file upload limit to 100 MB to start with. That is the least someone should be doing, but they're not.

They're also not running on a free forum host.

Dprevived.com have installed an open source forum software that they intend to adapt to their needs as well as likely combine with a CMS to deliver other content.

Storage is cheap, but managing that storage (backup etc) isn't, so it may make sense to outsource image hosting to a specialist. For example, Cloudflare Images costs $50/month for a million images up to 10MB in size each.

 

[Johan Borg]

Yeah, sorry, but DPreview Clone is not going to work out. I can't even post a 2 MB jpeg there, let alone a 25 MB full-size jpeg. I wonder what they're thinking.

Patience. It's been what a week? Think of this like the first draft of a script for a book. If there is enough interest, the site will continue to improve.

I understand what you're saying, but those free forum hosts want an arm and a leg for drive space. When I started the Sigma Camera Talk forum on one of those the other day I found out that it comes with just 200 MB of space! That's like nothing. To step up to 500 MB it costs very little, but to step up to a more useful 4 GB it costs an exorbitant $30 per month! I would never dream of paying that, when I can pay $5 per month for a hosting account with "unlimited" space and bandwidth (as long as I pay for three years' worth of service up front). With such an account I could create a forum site in WordPress with a forum plugin for free, and I could set my file upload limit to 100 MB to start with. That is the least someone should be doing, but they're not.

Honestly, with enough knowledge, you can host a site for not that much money. Create an unraid server with a collection of old hard drives. Old used SCSI hard drives are very cheap. Buy an older server for a few hundred and host yourself. The biggest cost would be the business connection from the ISP. This DIY setup isn't that costly, besides the electricity and ISP connection. With enough users, just asking for donations should be enough. Hosting companies are always going to charge. That's how they make money. People not wanting the hassle or not having the knowledge just pay someone else for a setup. However, anyone who can custom-build a website and program it, should have the necessary skills to host it also.

Unless you rather want to spend your time on what you to best. That initial setup may not be big enough 6 months down the line, while a cloud instance can be scaled up or down as needed and with multi-region redundancy.

If nothing else I'd suggest a cloud based backup if the primary storage is in your basement. And a cloud based WAF to protect your site against the constant attacks every public website is subject to.

 

[Jeffry7]

My personal site costs about £100 per year in fees. The professional site I ran until I retired last year wa £25k per year. It all depends on what you want.

What I want is for a true clone of this site to be made, ... <>

Huh??

Do you really mean "a true clone" as in a fully operational exact copy with no changes at all except for the domain name? !!!

While that would be nice, at least a forum system that operates very similarly would be nice Ted. I'd prefer the site be responsive though, rather than having "mobile mode" and "desktop mode." I realise we can't have all the posts and images from this forum transferred over, though I wish that was possible. I'd actually like some improvements though, such as a less restrictive filter for swearing and such. I mean the Web is a place full of adults, after-all, and they've been treating us like elementary school kids. Even the President of the United States says stuff in public speeches that the filter in these forums blocks us from saying. It's ridiculous, and childish, and frankly I'm sick of this woke nonsense.

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what you got is not what you saw ...

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https://www.bigprintphotos.com/

Maybe every time you swear you have to donate to the site.

 

[Scottelly]

Yeah, sorry, but DPreview Clone is not going to work out. I can't even post a 2 MB jpeg there, let alone a 25 MB full-size jpeg. I wonder what they're thinking.

Patience. It's been what a week? Think of this like the first draft of a script for a book. If there is enough interest, the site will continue to improve.

I understand what you're saying, but those free forum hosts want an arm and a leg for drive space. When I started the Sigma Camera Talk forum on one of those the other day I found out that it comes with just 200 MB of space! That's like nothing. To step up to 500 MB it costs very little, but to step up to a more useful 4 GB it costs an exorbitant $30 per month! I would never dream of paying that, when I can pay $5 per month for a hosting account with "unlimited" space and bandwidth (as long as I pay for three years' worth of service up front). With such an account I could create a forum site in WordPress with a forum plugin for free, and I could set my file upload limit to 100 MB to start with. That is the least someone should be doing, but they're not.

Honestly, with enough knowledge, you can host a site for not that much money. Create an unraid server with a collection of old hard drives. Old used SCSI hard drives are very cheap. Buy an older server for a few hundred and host yourself. The biggest cost would be the business connection from the ISP. This DIY setup isn't that costly, besides the electricity and ISP connection. With enough users, just asking for donations should be enough. Hosting companies are always going to charge. That's how they make money. People not wanting the hassle or not having the knowledge just pay someone else for a setup. However, anyone who can custom-build a website and program it, should have the necessary skills to host it also.

Unless you rather want to spend your time on what you to best. That initial setup may not be big enough 6 months down the line, while a cloud instance can be scaled up or down as needed and with multi-region redundancy.

If nothing else I'd suggest a cloud based backup if the primary storage is in your basement.

A cloud based backup for ten, twenty, or thirty terrabytes of data? Do you have any idea what that would cost? I don't, but I bet it would be thousands of dollars per year.

And a cloud based WAF to protect your site against the constant attacks every public website is subject to.

 

[Scottelly]

Yeah, sorry, but DPreview Clone is not going to work out. I can't even post a 2 MB jpeg there, let alone a 25 MB full-size jpeg. I wonder what they're thinking.

Patience. It's been what a week? Think of this like the first draft of a script for a book. If there is enough interest, the site will continue to improve.

I understand what you're saying, but those free forum hosts want an arm and a leg for drive space. When I started the Sigma Camera Talk forum on one of those the other day I found out that it comes with just 200 MB of space! That's like nothing. To step up to 500 MB it costs very little, but to step up to a more useful 4 GB it costs an exorbitant $30 per month! I would never dream of paying that, when I can pay $5 per month for a hosting account with "unlimited" space and bandwidth (as long as I pay for three years' worth of service up front). With such an account I could create a forum site in WordPress with a forum plugin for free, and I could set my file upload limit to 100 MB to start with. That is the least someone should be doing, but they're not.

They're also not running on a free forum host.

Dprevived.com have installed an open source forum software that they intend to adapt to their needs as well as likely combine with a CMS to deliver other content.

That sounds like a good idea.

Storage is cheap, but managing that storage (backup etc) isn't, so it may make sense to outsource image hosting to a specialist. For example, Cloudflare Images costs $50/month for a million images up to 10MB in size each.

That would be 10 TB, and $50 per month is a lot more reasonable than the prices I've been seeing . . . but if they raise the price on you what would you do?

 

[maple]

My personal site costs about £100 per year in fees. The professional site I ran until I retired last year wa £25k per year. It all depends on what you want.

What I want is for a true clone of this site to be made, but that requires someone to step up, and invest some money (not just $25 or $50 per month into hosting larger images and video clips, but a real solution, allowing full-size images and large video clips, with a 500 MB file size limit, which means a lot more than just an extra 2, 5 or 10 GB of server space - it needs more than 10 TB of server space to start with, and a serious commitment to increase the capacity as is needed, which could cost a few thousand dollars per year, whether the advertising revenue is there at yhe time or not). What this projuct needs is a relatively wealthy benefactor, who is willing to sink a few grand up front, and is committed to pay for maintaining the system (maybe a grand or two per month) for the forseeable future (or at least the next ten years).

This is the closest you'll get...

...a big idea, requires we all download our data from here, then this guy, Peter Green, will rebuild the forums from that data -

https://www.change.org/p/make-dp-review-a-public-domain-archive/u/31434523

- but it won't be the whole site.

Thank you. I hadn't seen that. Hopefully Ted and at least a few other frequent posters here will see that and take action on it. I will. It would be a shame to completely lose my more than 17,000 posts.

Is it possible and viable that each of us volumtarily donate a small amount of money to get one of Dpreview IT guy to help move the data here to the new host of our choice, before it's too late?

 

[Scottelly]

My personal site costs about £100 per year in fees. The professional site I ran until I retired last year wa £25k per year. It all depends on what you want.

What I want is for a true clone of this site to be made, but that requires someone to step up, and invest some money (not just $25 or $50 per month into hosting larger images and video clips, but a real solution, allowing full-size images and large video clips, with a 500 MB file size limit, which means a lot more than just an extra 2, 5 or 10 GB of server space - it needs more than 10 TB of server space to start with, and a serious commitment to increase the capacity as is needed, which could cost a few thousand dollars per year, whether the advertising revenue is there at yhe time or not). What this projuct needs is a relatively wealthy benefactor, who is willing to sink a few grand up front, and is committed to pay for maintaining the system (maybe a grand or two per month) for the forseeable future (or at least the next ten years).

This is the closest you'll get...

...a big idea, requires we all download our data from here, then this guy, Peter Green, will rebuild the forums from that data -

https://www.change.org/p/make-dp-review-a-public-domain-archive/u/31434523

- but it won't be the whole site.

Thank you. I hadn't seen that. Hopefully Ted and at least a few other frequent posters here will see that and take action on it. I will. It would be a shame to completely lose my more than 17,000 posts.

Is it possible and viable that each of us volumtarily donate a small amount of money to get one of Dpreview IT guy to help move the data here to the new host of our choice, before it's too late?

 

[maple]

My personal site costs about £100 per year in fees. The professional site I ran until I retired last year wa £25k per year. It all depends on what you want.

What I want is for a true clone of this site to be made, but that requires someone to step up, and invest some money (not just $25 or $50 per month into hosting larger images and video clips, but a real solution, allowing full-size images and large video clips, with a 500 MB file size limit, which means a lot more than just an extra 2, 5 or 10 GB of server space - it needs more than 10 TB of server space to start with, and a serious commitment to increase the capacity as is needed, which could cost a few thousand dollars per year, whether the advertising revenue is there at yhe time or not). What this projuct needs is a relatively wealthy benefactor, who is willing to sink a few grand up front, and is committed to pay for maintaining the system (maybe a grand or two per month) for the forseeable future (or at least the next ten years).

This is the closest you'll get...

...a big idea, requires we all download our data from here, then this guy, Peter Green, will rebuild the forums from that data -

https://www.change.org/p/make-dp-review-a-public-domain-archive/u/31434523

- but it won't be the whole site.

Thank you. I hadn't seen that. Hopefully Ted and at least a few other frequent posters here will see that and take action on it. I will. It would be a shame to completely lose my more than 17,000 posts.

Is it possible and viable that each of us volumtarily donate a small amount of money to get one of Dpreview IT guy to help move the data here to the new host of our choice, before it's too late?

I have no idea. Did you follow this link yet?

https://www.change.org/p/make-dp-review-a-public-domain-archive/u/31434523

Somehow I can't access it

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Maple

 

[Johan Borg]

Yeah, sorry, but DPreview Clone is not going to work out. I can't even post a 2 MB jpeg there, let alone a 25 MB full-size jpeg. I wonder what they're thinking.

Patience. It's been what a week? Think of this like the first draft of a script for a book. If there is enough interest, the site will continue to improve.

I understand what you're saying, but those free forum hosts want an arm and a leg for drive space. When I started the Sigma Camera Talk forum on one of those the other day I found out that it comes with just 200 MB of space! That's like nothing. To step up to 500 MB it costs very little, but to step up to a more useful 4 GB it costs an exorbitant $30 per month! I would never dream of paying that, when I can pay $5 per month for a hosting account with "unlimited" space and bandwidth (as long as I pay for three years' worth of service up front). With such an account I could create a forum site in WordPress with a forum plugin for free, and I could set my file upload limit to 100 MB to start with. That is the least someone should be doing, but they're not.

Honestly, with enough knowledge, you can host a site for not that much money. Create an unraid server with a collection of old hard drives. Old used SCSI hard drives are very cheap. Buy an older server for a few hundred and host yourself. The biggest cost would be the business connection from the ISP. This DIY setup isn't that costly, besides the electricity and ISP connection. With enough users, just asking for donations should be enough. Hosting companies are always going to charge. That's how they make money. People not wanting the hassle or not having the knowledge just pay someone else for a setup. However, anyone who can custom-build a website and program it, should have the necessary skills to host it also.

Unless you rather want to spend your time on what you to best. That initial setup may not be big enough 6 months down the line, while a cloud instance can be scaled up or down as needed and with multi-region redundancy.

If nothing else I'd suggest a cloud based backup if the primary storage is in your basement.

A cloud based backup for ten, twenty, or thirty terrabytes of data? Do you have any idea what that would cost? I don't, but I bet it would be thousands of dollars per year.

The cheapest storage rate of AWS S3, "S3 Glacier Deep Archive", is $18/month for 10TB.

Of course, it all adds up, but I'd argue that salary cost would quickly overshadow cloud expenses once a new site realises it needs staff.

And a cloud based WAF to protect your site against the constant attacks every public website is subject to.

--
Scott Barton Kennelly
https://www.bigprintphotos.com/

 

[DavidMillier]

Yeah, sorry, but DPreview Clone is not going to work out. I can't even post a 2 MB jpeg there, let alone a 25 MB full-size jpeg. I wonder what they're thinking.

Patience. It's been what a week? Think of this like the first draft of a script for a book. If there is enough interest, the site will continue to improve.

I understand what you're saying, but those free forum hosts want an arm and a leg for drive space. When I started the Sigma Camera Talk forum on one of those the other day I found out that it comes with just 200 MB of space! That's like nothing. To step up to 500 MB it costs very little, but to step up to a more useful 4 GB it costs an exorbitant $30 per month! I would never dream of paying that, when I can pay $5 per month for a hosting account with "unlimited" space and bandwidth (as long as I pay for three years' worth of service up front). With such an account I could create a forum site in WordPress with a forum plugin for free, and I could set my file upload limit to 100 MB to start with. That is the least someone should be doing, but they're not.

They're also not running on a free forum host.

Dprevived.com have installed an open source forum software that they intend to adapt to their needs as well as likely combine with a CMS to deliver other content.

That sounds like a good idea.

Storage is cheap, but managing that storage (backup etc) isn't, so it may make sense to outsource image hosting to a specialist. For example, Cloudflare Images costs $50/month for a million images up to 10MB in size each.

That would be 10 TB, and $50 per month is a lot more reasonable than the prices I've been seeing . . . but if they raise the price on you what would you do?

I'd leave it to the people who have created the site to sort out

The admin of dprevived has indicated he has already given some thought to governance etc, no doubt he will give it a lot more thought as he progresses. One of the things he has said is he wants a community managed project rather than a dictator managed project, so there will lots of opportunity to feed in to that. Not sure about the other projects starting up. No doubt this will all shake out in due course. Likely the best thing for prospective users to do at that moment is sign up to all of them and maintain a watching brief.

Perhaps I should add a forum to my personal site (not bloody likely!)....

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Website: http://www.whisperingcat.co.uk/ (2022 - website rebuilt, updated and back in action)
DPReview gallery: https://www.dpreview.com/galleries/0286305481
Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidmillier/ (very old!)

 

[fourthirdster]

DPRevived was just constructed days ago. Give them time to develop.

 

[Scottelly]

Yeah, sorry, but DPreview Clone is not going to work out. I can't even post a 2 MB jpeg there, let alone a 25 MB full-size jpeg. I wonder what they're thinking.

Patience. It's been what a week? Think of this like the first draft of a script for a book. If there is enough interest, the site will continue to improve.

I understand what you're saying, but those free forum hosts want an arm and a leg for drive space. When I started the Sigma Camera Talk forum on one of those the other day I found out that it comes with just 200 MB of space! That's like nothing. To step up to 500 MB it costs very little, but to step up to a more useful 4 GB it costs an exorbitant $30 per month! I would never dream of paying that, when I can pay $5 per month for a hosting account with "unlimited" space and bandwidth (as long as I pay for three years' worth of service up front). With such an account I could create a forum site in WordPress with a forum plugin for free, and I could set my file upload limit to 100 MB to start with. That is the least someone should be doing, but they're not.

Honestly, with enough knowledge, you can host a site for not that much money. Create an unraid server with a collection of old hard drives. Old used SCSI hard drives are very cheap. Buy an older server for a few hundred and host yourself. The biggest cost would be the business connection from the ISP. This DIY setup isn't that costly, besides the electricity and ISP connection. With enough users, just asking for donations should be enough. Hosting companies are always going to charge. That's how they make money. People not wanting the hassle or not having the knowledge just pay someone else for a setup. However, anyone who can custom-build a website and program it, should have the necessary skills to host it also.

Unless you rather want to spend your time on what you to best. That initial setup may not be big enough 6 months down the line, while a cloud instance can be scaled up or down as needed and with multi-region redundancy.

If nothing else I'd suggest a cloud based backup if the primary storage is in your basement.

A cloud based backup for ten, twenty, or thirty terrabytes of data? Do you have any idea what that would cost? I don't, but I bet it would be thousands of dollars per year.

The cheapest storage rate of AWS S3, "S3 Glacier Deep Archive", is $18/month for 10TB.

Of course, it all adds up, but I'd argue that salary cost would quickly overshadow cloud expenses once a new site realises it needs staff.

True, and that's much less than I would have guessed.

And a cloud based WAF to protect your site against the constant attacks every public website is subject to.