Data doesn't lie. DSLRs are soon sinking below mirrorless in unit sales.

[Mike CH]

This is "Sony is the best ever week!"

"Imminent death of the DSLR!" is next week.

Kindly go back to the entrance, draw an number and then get in line.

Regards, Mike

 

[greg 123]

What is the purpose of the comparison?

Maybe it's time to start transitioning to mirrorless. In the long run it could save money as DSLR gear becomes less valued.

 

[Mike CH]

This is "Sony is the best ever week!"

"Imminent death of the DSLR!" is next week.

Kindly go back to the entrance, draw an number and then get in line.

Regards, Mike

Actually IDoD was two weeks ago. As IDoD is on a monthly schedule it should only come up in another two weeks normally, but May is Immanent Death of Photography as We know it (IDoPaWki) month, so now IDoD is only due in June.

True - monthly schedule, but didn't we switch it with "CaNikon betrays its customers!" so "You don't get equivalence!" didn't come too close to "My SmartPhone is the bestest!" week?

The last two always create a such mess, too much overlap, when they occur too close to each other...

Regards, Mike

 

[Mike CH]

Most of the people don't understand how fast the DSLR-market have shrunken in few years and now they should see it clearly.

Actually, young one, most people understand perfectly well that the camera market as a whole is shrinking...

Regards, Mike

 

[EcoR1]

Most of the people don't understand how fast the DSLR-market have shrunken in few years and now they should see it clearly.

Actually, young one, most people understand perfectly well that the camera market as a whole is shrinking...

Regards, Mike

Well, grandpa, did I say otherwise?

 

[Mike CH]

Most of the people don't understand how fast the DSLR-market have shrunken in few years and now they should see it clearly.

Actually, young one, most people understand perfectly well that the camera market as a whole is shrinking...

Regards, Mike

Well, grandpa, did I say otherwise?

Isn't it quite obvious, that when the market as such shrinks rapidly, segments of the market also shrink quite rapidly? You are claiming a denial which is simply not present

In other words, you are not posting anything new to anybody here; but apparently you had to get it off your breast. Feel better now?

Regards, Mike

 

[EcoR1]

Most of the people don't understand how fast the DSLR-market have shrunken in few years and now they should see it clearly.

Actually, young one, most people understand perfectly well that the camera market as a whole is shrinking...

Regards, Mike

Well, grandpa, did I say otherwise?

Isn't it quite obvious, that when the market as such shrinks rapidly, segments of the market also shrink quite rapidly? You are claiming a denial which is simply not present

In other words, you are not posting anything new to anybody here; but apparently you had to get it off your breast. Feel better now?

Regards, Mike

 

[Mike CH]

Most of the people don't understand how fast the DSLR-market have shrunken in few years and now they should see it clearly.

Actually, young one, most people understand perfectly well that the camera market as a whole is shrinking...

Regards, Mike

Well, grandpa, did I say otherwise?

Isn't it quite obvious, that when the market as such shrinks rapidly, segments of the market also shrink quite rapidly? You are claiming a denial which is simply not present

In other words, you are not posting anything new to anybody here; but apparently you had to get it off your breast. Feel better now?

Regards, Mike

 

[richiebee]

Well, as the OP presents it mirrorless sales in units show a flatline as trend, not something to gloat about

Ah, so even though they're getting better, with much more sensor size options as time goes on, they're not selling any more than they ever have. Got it.

 

[EcoR1]

Most of the people don't understand how fast the DSLR-market have shrunken in few years and now they should see it clearly.

Actually, young one, most people understand perfectly well that the camera market as a whole is shrinking...

Regards, Mike

Well, grandpa, did I say otherwise?

Isn't it quite obvious, that when the market as such shrinks rapidly, segments of the market also shrink quite rapidly? You are claiming a denial which is simply not present

In other words, you are not posting anything new to anybody here; but apparently you had to get it off your breast. Feel better now?

Regards, Mike

 

[richiebee]

What is the purpose of the comparison?

Maybe it's time to start transitioning to mirrorless. In the long run it could save money as DSLR gear becomes less valued.

So you think I should spend $4500 (actually $6000 here in Canada) on a mirrorless body and probably another $6-9,000 on lenses, because in 5 or 6 years my Nikon DSLR's might not be worth much?

I don't think we're there yet.

 

[Mike CH]

Most of the people don't understand how fast the DSLR-market have shrunken in few years and now they should see it clearly.

Actually, young one, most people understand perfectly well that the camera market as a whole is shrinking...

Regards, Mike

Well, grandpa, did I say otherwise?

Isn't it quite obvious, that when the market as such shrinks rapidly, segments of the market also shrink quite rapidly? You are claiming a denial which is simply not present

In other words, you are not posting anything new to anybody here; but apparently you had to get it off your breast. Feel better now?

Regards, Mike

--
Wait and see...
I hardly ever speak for anybody but myself. In the cases where I do mean to speak generally the statements are likely to be marked as such.

Ok, captain obvious. It seems that you are a bit confused. "Segments" are not shrinking. Only the DSLR-segment. Go to to see the graphs again with your glasses on this time.

Oh, P&S, compacts, bridge cameras etc are not cameras according to you?

Gotcha.

You are still claiming a denial - that people don't know the DSLR segment is shrinking - that quite simple doesn't exist. But if that rocks your boat...

Regards, Mike

--
Wait and see...
I hardly ever speak for anybody but myself. In the cases where I do mean to speak generally the statements are likely to be marked as such.

Is there something in the data that makes you angry?

You bring out a real stupid claim - "most people don't know the DSLR market is shrinking" - and when told that most people already know that, you become aggressive...

Regards, Mike

--
Wait and see...
I hardly ever speak for anybody but myself. In the cases where I do mean to speak generally the statements are likely to be marked as such.

 

[Armin Hermann]

nothing here

 

[PK24X36NOW]

What is the purpose of the comparison?

Maybe it's time to start transitioning to mirrorless. In the long run it could save money as DSLR gear becomes less valued.

So you think I should spend $4500 (actually $6000 here in Canada) on a mirrorless body and probably another $6-9,000 on lenses, because in 5 or 6 years my Nikon DSLR's might not be worth much?

I don't think we're there yet.

I doubt we'll be there ever. We might someday get to "choose a MILC with the same mount as your DSLR because they no longer make DSLRs," but not anytime soon.

Pick your period, pick your trend. Unless you understand the things which underlie the trend, it's all meaningless. The OP is basically assuming that DSLR sales are down because MILC is "converting" DSLR users. Nothing like that is going on. There's always a few "samplers," but by and large MILC has its own niche and that's all. Flatline sales since they were introduced doesn't scream "sink you money here" to anybody except MILC fanboys.

 

[PK24X36NOW]

Data [a plural BTW] do not lie, though they may be incomplete or wrong. Or when someone choses to present only the set that suits his point. But interpretative words often do. Especially if they intend to spin. Or if a trend gets a linear extrapolation in the future. You may already have heard that the future is hard to predict.

Figures don't lie, but liars figure.

 

[Mackiesback]

Who gives a crap? Honestly, this bait is getting so tired. It's like arguing about automatic transmissions vs manual transmissions. Who really cares in the long run?

This is a bad thread and you should feel bad for posting it.

 

[SpinOne]

All except that the "averages" and "trends" are meaningless unless you understand the underlying causes of those "averages" and "trends," and how those underlying causes may change....

Not so much. You can identify trends before knowing why they happen. In fact, seeing the trend first may require you to find out what's happening.

The real issue is whether DSLR sales will plateau, or continue to decline. Neither the trend line, nor claims about causality, provide a definitive answer.

 

[robert1955]

Most of the people don't understand how fast the DSLR-market have shrunken in few years and now they should see it clearly.

Actually, young one, most people understand perfectly well that the camera market as a whole is shrinking...

Regards, Mike

Well, grandpa, did I say otherwise?

Isn't it quite obvious, that when the market as such shrinks rapidly, segments of the market also shrink quite rapidly? You are claiming a denial which is simply not present

In other words, you are not posting anything new to anybody here; but apparently you had to get it off your breast. Feel better now?

Regards, Mike

--
Wait and see...
I hardly ever speak for anybody but myself. In the cases where I do mean to speak generally the statements are likely to be marked as such.

Ok, captain obvious. It seems that you are a bit confused. "Segments" are not shrinking. Only the DSLR-segment. Go to to see the graphs again with your glasses on this time.

If we only look at the 'segments' you show, it is clear that the decline in dslr sales does not translate in more milc sales.

 

[robert1955]

All except that the "averages" and "trends" are meaningless unless you understand the underlying causes of those "averages" and "trends," and how those underlying causes may change....

Not so much. You can identify trends before knowing why they happen. In fact, seeing the trend first may require you to find out what's happening.

The real issue is whether DSLR sales will plateau, or continue to decline. Neither the trend line, nor claims about causality, provide a definitive answer.

I'd change that a little bit: The real issue is whether ILC sales will plateau, or continue to decline.

 

[JahnG]

This is "Sony is the best ever week!"

"Imminent death of the DSLR!" is next week.

Kindly go back to the entrance, draw an number and then get in line.

Regards, Mike