D90 movie function is a game changer!!!

[smirkingone]

You want to shoot video then buy the right equipment no half measures. This is going to produce a shed load of half ar$ed would-be's promissing the earth and delivering rubbish.

Surley we want a DSLR that does the job it was intended and does it well, the last thing I want in a DSLR is something else to go wrong at the expence of making the camera better for the photographer.

I hope canon are holding out on those (myself included), to deliver a truley amazing camera to complement my 1DS MKII, I stupidly bought a 40d but I'm sorry it is poop, A camera that has low noise at high ISO's acamera that takes the image when I want it too and not a heart beat later, a camera with no AF issues and so on...... but no extra features please NO TOO VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!

 

[mariuss]

I wonder who will be the first with IS in camera body (from Canon/Nikon).

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[Siinji30]

A standard 35 mm movie film roll is 11 min. long

 

[joebloe]

For numerous fundamental reasons, the highest quality IS must be integrated into lenses.

I wonder who will be the first with IS in camera body (from
Canon/Nikon).

 

[maxz]

It cost HIGH dollar to achieve shallow DOF, manual focus, lens interchangeability in a pro video camera. A mere look at the pricetag of pro video lenses can hurt your eye. Even if you have the money you only have so few to choose from. Now Nikon brought this to a sub-$1k DSLR. You can now control DOF, precise focus, shoot movie with your 300/2.8 or macro or fisheye to achieve effects that make indie movie makers drool. The game is totally changed.

But it's not an easy decision for canon and sony, as they still want to sell their consumer camcorders. To Nikon who has no business in video market, they are only limited by their innovation and production power.

Max

D90 movie mode is a game changer and will alter the future of SLR.

I've been a canon user since 1993 when I bought my A2e. Canon seem to
always push the innovation button from that day on, but lately I
think they are getting a bit complacent. I hope in a few weeks I am
proven wrong, but am sad that Canon is sticking with the same formula
of adding incremental pixels every release cycle instead of thinking
out of the box.

They were behind in sensor cleaning technology, They got behind in
high iso feature and now, they seem to completely missed the boat on
video.

I know some of you might say, who cares about video. The fact is,
journalism is changing and every outfit is asking their journalist to
carry a video or become familiar with it. Single images will always
be special in their power, but the world wants to see video.

D90 has it's limitation with pre-focusing and audio quality. It seems
to me nikon is testing the waters with video with this model. If they
see an uptake due to video, you can bit your retirement that their
next camera will build up on this, with mic in connectors, and live
focusing.

I also predict D90 will change the indi movie world and put a huge
damper on the RED company. Many indi movie makers love HD but don't
like the deep DOF and long for the shallow DOP of 35 film. Guess
what? They got their wish for less than $1000 on a system that
already has numerous amount of quality lenses.

Some of you may not know, but many inspiring movie makers have
resorted to buying a ground glass adapters which enable usage of 35mm
lenses in a way it retains the DOF. It works by having the 35mm lens
project their image on a ground glass the same way it projects it on
a film plane. For anyone who has used a view camera you know what I
mean. Then the HD video captures the projected (which is inverted)
image and retains the DOF of projected image. The result is a soft
(because of ground glass) but film like DOF. These contraptions
alone costs $1000 plus and they never allow the full quality of
original lens shine through.

Just imagine the possibilities of this for any inspiring movie maker.
All you need is 2-3 of these cameras, external sound capture and a
few nice glasses and you create images that in look and feel would
match $20,000 + cameras.

Though this might be a small market, but not the less it will be game
changer in indi movie and will secondary spill over effect to Nikon
world.

The other use I see for this, is for underwater guys. Now you just
need one housing to capture high quality underwater images and videos.

I'll wait and see a bit to see what Canon comes up with. If I don't
see anything, I might just buy a Nikon and a kit lens (in addition
to my Canon gear) for the video function alone.

Now I'll wait for your attacks

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[David Hull]

I've always believed in using the tools that were designed for the
job: phone for talking, camera for taking photos, video camera for
taking video. Convergence frequently allows cross functionality, but
at a loss in quality to all the elements that are converged.

Well put. The video has value but it is certainly NOT a "game changer" by any means, just another "bell and whistle" that some will like and some won't give a damn about.

 

[mariuss]

Of course. But from a marketing POV its an idea.

What about IS only for Video Mode ... at the beginning?!

I wonder who will be the first with IS in camera body (from
Canon/Nikon).

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[Jeffrey Anderson]

I can't see any serious indie producer using the D90--not with a 5
minute limitation on clips. That's a serious problem, along with the
fact that any recorded audio is in mono.

The OP stated that Nikon is testing the waters with video in the D90. The expectations won't be to high in this model; however, if it is accepted, Nikon will improve the technology for higher models such as the D300, D700, and D3.

The frame rate would be higher, the capture time would be increased, the focus would be improved, and the recorded audio would be in stereo.

The OP was very clear in his thoughts but many posters seem to ignore what he said.

I'm a Fuji/Nikon shooter and I find this forum to be the most caustic. You guys need to chill out a bit.

 

[Digital Coast Image]

You can buy a cinevate lens attachment for $699 canon hi def camcorder which allows Nikon lenses to be attached for shallow depth of field.

You get a much higher quality video, 1920x1080 frame, far superior audio and multiple frame rates. All features that when compared side by side will not have indie film makers running for the D90.

All that for well under $2000, not $10,000.

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[Scott Larson]

I can't see any serious indie producer using the D90--not with a 5
minute limitation on clips. That's a serious problem, along with the
fact that any recorded audio is in mono.

Did you know movie cameras don't record sound either? Sound is always recorded on a separate device. The mono sound could be used to sync the recorded sound with the video though.

 

[zerglan]

n/t

 

[gary stepic]

I have not gone through all the posts and I am sure there are some ridiculing your thought. I do agree it can be a very valuable feature for journalists, wedding photographers, and sports photographers. I do a lot of weddings and sports and I certainly see many ways I can be extra creative with short film clips.

It will be ineresting to see what kind of quality will come from this feature if the 5D upgrade has it as it has been rumored it will. I would like to think the larger sensors will make a difference. There are posts after post that state how the point and shoot film quality does not compare to a dedicated film camera quality, and there are many references to poor focusing for movies with point and shoots.

I do think the potential is there to address these problems and if I were faced with a choice of two similar cameras except one had the ability to film, I no doubt would choose the camera with that feature. If course many would not.

But the 5D has other features I never use since I always shoot RAW, so should I say those are unneeded features because I see no value in them, of course not! My biggest concern is if the various companies "dumb down" their products so they do not compete with other products in their lineups.

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[semorg]

But it's not an easy decision for canon and sony, as they still want
to sell their consumer camcorders. To Nikon who has no business in
video market, they are only limited by their innovation and
production power.

Well Said. I am wondered about the same thing. Whether lacking a video product line actually freed Nikon to innovate without internal politics and pressure from other divisions.

 

[semorg]

It will be ineresting to see what kind of quality will come from this
feature if the 5D upgrade has it as it has been rumored it will. I

Here is sample videos from Nikon's site, http://chsvimg.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/d90/en/d-movie/

 

[PerL]

You can buy a cinevate lens attachment for $699 canon hi def
camcorder which allows Nikon lenses to be attached for shallow depth
of field.

Whats the size of the sensor in the 699 dollars camcorder? Hardly APS-C size I would guess. A smaller sensor gives less shallow DOF.

You get a much higher quality video, 1920x1080 frame, far superior
audio and multiple frame rates. All features that when compared side
by side will not have indie film makers running for the D90.

All that for well under $2000, not $10,000.

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[joebloe]

I doubt it. Again, Canon and Sony (who produced the first commercial in-lens optical IS, for video and binoculars) are probably committed to in-lens IS for the long run. If you want to buy all IS lenses nowadays it's not an expensive proposition anyway. Even Sigma has moved IS squarely into its midrange, and by all accounts the Sigma IS in the 18-200 works very, very well. It must be the first IS lens ever with understated performance.

Of course. But from a marketing POV its an idea.

What about IS only for Video Mode ... at the beginning?!

 

[tabloid]

They (Nikon forum) are having a good ol moan about the D90.

Im not even sure why.

Looks like Nikon cant please anybody, regardless which side of the fence they are on.

LOL

All i can say is well done Nikon, its a interesting camera (D90), and gentlemen this is just the begining.

You cant stop progress

George R

 

[Chromogenic]

I can't see any serious indie producer using the D90--not with a 5
minute limitation on clips. That's a serious problem, along with the
fact that any recorded audio is in mono.

I've always believed in using the tools that were designed for the
job: phone for talking, camera for taking photos, video camera for
taking video. Convergence frequently allows cross functionality, but
at a loss in quality to all the elements that are converged.

But, we will see.

I'm the 'buy the right tool for the job' type, but after seeing few of those video clips (fisheye, and telephoto shots in particular) it made me change my mind. This is a great feature, and a lot of tertiary institutions will be buying this model, since it might save departments lots of money on HD cams. Build it, and they will come... right?

Expect Canon to do it in next Rebel line too...

 

[semorg]

Who would have ever guessed that the 1D forum would turn into a bunch
vacationers wanting video out of an SLR still camera. First they let
the FF 30D in and now the place has gone to pot! No wonder pros and
other serious photographers forum some place else.

I respectfully disagree. I have used this forum since it was just 1D. 1D was mainly made for PJs. Guess what? PJs are now asked to shoot video along with images, and I think it's perfectly fine to bring up this topic. I also have regards for this forum and and the pro audience it has and I want to use it to have a logical discussion.

 

[joebloe]

Seriously, just wait for the actual digital cine camera. Use your still camera for stills. It'll be nice being able to make high quality home movies in the meanwhile I guess.