D7000 samples

[olyflyer]

you are still on my ignore list ...

Huh??????????????????

You have him on your ignore list but bring him up in discussions whenever you fell like to flame him? How mature...
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[olyflyer]

I've read some utter bollox in this thread that is frankly hilarious

The thread is more and more amusing, but wait until it reaches 150. I believe it will be more and more as the thread reaches the end.

just an observation but the way you are going you will get to 150 all on your own.

Yes, you are right. I just thought some of the posts were worth answering. I promise you not to use up 50% of the space and let you comment anything you like, anyway you wish to as long as the conversation is kept civil.

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[John King]

Josef

you are still on my ignore list ...

Huh??????????????????

You have him on your ignore list but bring him up in discussions whenever you fell like to flame him? How mature...

So are you ...

ANYTHING I write to Sergey is small beer compared with his harassment of me for the last three years.

Perhaps you should think about his behaviour as a human being, rather than the fact that he is a fellow "Nikon Convert" ... Just a thought ... :|

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[Rriley]

I've read some utter bollox in this thread that is frankly hilarious

The thread is more and more amusing, but wait until it reaches 150. I believe it will be more and more as the thread reaches the end.

just an observation but the way you are going you will get to 150 all on your own.

Yes, you are right. I just thought some of the posts were worth answering. I promise you not to use up 50% of the space and let you comment anything you like, anyway you wish to as long as the conversation is kept civil.

if that suggests an intent to produce 75 posts here on your own
..........good luck with that......

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[olyflyer]

you are still on my ignore list ...

Huh??????????????????

You have him on your ignore list but bring him up in discussions whenever you fell like to flame him? How mature...

So are you ...

So am I what? Am I also on your ignore list? What's the point of having anyone on your ignore list if you can't ignore the person? Or is the feature faulty? I don't know because my list is empty.

ANYTHING I write to Sergey is small beer compared with his harassment of me for the last three years.

Perhaps you should think about his behaviour as a human being, rather than the fact that he is a fellow "Nikon Convert" ... Just a thought ... :|

The problem I have with that attitude is not about what you write to Sergey but what you write about him when he is not here. Once you called him up he is part of the conversation, and as an adult is fully capable of defending himself.
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[olyflyer]

I've read some utter bollox in this thread that is frankly hilarious

The thread is more and more amusing, but wait until it reaches 150. I believe it will be more and more as the thread reaches the end.

just an observation but the way you are going you will get to 150 all on your own.

Yes, you are right. I just thought some of the posts were worth answering. I promise you not to use up 50% of the space and let you comment anything you like, anyway you wish to as long as the conversation is kept civil.

if that suggests an intent to produce 75 posts here on your own
..........good luck with that......

I said "I promise you not to use up 50% of the space " meaning I will not post 75 posts in this thread, so there will be plenty left for you.

I'll go for a coffe and give people some time.
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[John King]

you are still on my ignore list ...

Huh??????????????????

You have him on your ignore list but bring him up in discussions whenever you fell like to flame him? How mature...

So are you ...

So am I what? Am I also on your ignore list?

Yes.

What's the point of having anyone on your ignore list if you can't ignore the person? Or is the feature faulty? I don't know because my list is empty.

So was mine for 9 of the last 12 months ...

ANYTHING I write to Sergey is small beer compared with his harassment of me for the last three years.

Perhaps you should think about his behaviour as a human being, rather than the fact that he is a fellow "Nikon Convert" ... Just a thought ... :|

The problem I have with that attitude is not about what you write to Sergey but what you write about him when he is not here. Once you called him up he is part of the conversation, and as an adult is fully capable of defending himself.

Get your facts straight, Josef, I did not "call him up".
I was responding to the poster who did so here in this post:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=36427011

Who was in turn responding to the statement of one of your fellow Nikon users here:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1022&message=36426685

And the first paragraph of his post ... where he talks about an Oz $1,200 Nikon lens as being a "consumer zoom". That "consumer zoom" costs almost the same as an Olympus 12~60 ... Hardly a "consumer zoom" where my bank account is concerned ...

Just to set you straight on the facts, as you appear to have gotten all of them wrong ...

BTW, I put people on my ignore list so that I only have to read the rot they write once ... Many I do not bother to read at all ... :|

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[stimmer]

I still like the 12 megapixel Nikon output better than the lower pixel density new camera output.

I believe they should have just optimized that output a little more instead of cramming more megapixels on that sensor.

 

[olyflyer]

you are still on my ignore list ...

Huh??????????????????

You have him on your ignore list but bring him up in discussions whenever you fell like to flame him? How mature...

So are you ...

So am I what? Am I also on your ignore list?

Yes.

Considering I am also on your ignore list you are awfully busy answering both Sergey and me. Anyway, as I said, "how mature"...

Perhaps you misinterpreted the aim of "Ignore list". It's your list of people you want to ignore, not the other way round. I can't see that happening. Personally I don't mind to discuss with people I disagree with, it makes life richer and more interesting.

Anyway, the 18-200 images in this thread aren't really representative for that lens, so no point in discussing the abilities of that lens. As for the price of it, well, I also think it is overpriced but then again, I don't have that lens, but if I wanted a single lens DSLR I'd surly not hesitate to buy it. As for the price, in my territory it is cheaper than in yours, definitely below the 12-60 last time I looked. In any case, you can't compare with the 12-60 since the 12-60 does not have the same reach. Compared with the 14-42 and the 40-150 is more fair and the price for the 18-200 is about the same as those two. Even the Oly 18-180 is almost the same price as the 18-200 here...
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[olyflyer]

I still like the 12 megapixel Nikon output better than the lower pixel density new camera output.

I believe they should have just optimized that output a little more instead of cramming more megapixels on that sensor.

Maybe you are right, but I'd like to wait for the proper review before I judge. I am happy with the 12MP I have right now, but would not mind more if it won't degrade the IQ.
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[dgrogers]

They, the link is right there on the page. ".NEF"

I missed that, but I was really hoping to find some higher quality samples anyway. Is there a free program that can work with NEFs?

That's Nikon's problem. If you don't have the time or desire to process RAW files, you can expect results like that.

That is true, for sure, if you are a JPEG shooter this is a big advantage of the E_5. But if you shoot RAW, then things are different. Last time I checked there's a lot of RAW shooters here

And there are a lot of RAW + Jpeg shooters too. Ideally, I would only have to touch an image if the in camera processing screwed up or if I want to add some kind of artistic effect. I prefer shooting over processing, and the thought of adjusting 1000 images at one time is disturbing (and if you batch process, the advantages of shooting RAW are thrown out the window).

So basically some people act bad then it's justified to act bad. What kind of logic is that? For the record, I do say the E-5 is a nice camera. That said, the sensor is a known quantity here. Some are expecting some increased DR miracle or something.

I just find it odd that there are more people defending a Nikon DSLR than there are defending an Olympus DSLR in an Olympus DSLR forum. While I may have gone overboard, the point I was trying to make is maybe the E5 isn't so bad after all. People were running around like chickens with there heads cut off because the D7000 had more pixels and faster burst speeds. If I went on a Nikon forums and said a Nikon camera sucked, I'd expect to get flamed, yet it seems you must criticize Olympus in order to be a member of this forum.

Lack of articulating screen pales in comparison to what a 15 MP Foveon can do honestly, however nice it would be it had it.

We'll see what the SD1 can do. I expect a little less noise if I understand the recent patent correctly, but color is supposedly off 6% of the time (true of all Foveon sensors compared to how our eyes see color).

 

[illy]

I just find it odd that there are more people defending a Nikon DSLR than there are defending an Olympus DSLR in an Olympus DSLR forum.

but once again someone starts a thread about Nikon cameras on the Olympus forum.......by a non Nikon user, best of all about a camera not yet released, and by then all common sense had left the building..........the rest is history..........and i've run out of clichés

EDIT: the chickens are restless tonight
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[dgrogers]

I have seen E5 samples that wowed me. I have yet to see that out of D7000. I'm not just talking about the images posted in this thread. I also never said that was the best the D7000 could produce, but RAW would have to be a gigantic improvement over what's been shown so far out of the D7000 jpeg engine to come close to what the E5 is producing with its jpegs.

One thing is obvious, the messed up E5 shots look much, much better than the messed up D7000 shots.

The only thing that concerns me about the E5 is shadow noise. I do hope the people taking the images in question messed up the gain setting, but shadows appear to be the E5s only weakness.

How come? I mean, how come that you "hope" the quick shooters of the E-5 messed up the settings while the quick shooters of D7000 did show the best the camera can produce?

I mean really, isn't it a bit too early to say anything deep about those cameras? Looking at the E-5 images I have seen so far, I must say I am not impressed with anything at all and I think the E-3 was better. But then again, it's just too early to say anything about those new cameras.

 

[rapick]

Anyway, the 18-200 images in this thread aren't really representative for that lens, so no point in discussing the abilities of that lens. As for the price of it, well, I also think it is overpriced but then again, I don't have that lens, but if I wanted a single lens DSLR I'd surly not hesitate to buy it. As for the price, in my territory it is cheaper than in yours, definitely below the 12-60 last time I looked. In any case, you can't compare with the 12-60 since the 12-60 does not have the same reach. Compared with the 14-42 and the 40-150 is more fair and the price for the 18-200 is about the same as those two. Even the Oly 18-180 is almost the same price as the 18-200 here...

Since tne other poster quoted my statement, I want to carify that there was nothing meant as negative in my definition of it as "consumer grade". Everybody using nikon lenses knows that nos such 'grading' as Zuikos' HG and SHG (or Canons' "L") can be found there:
http://imaging.nikon.com/products/imaging/lineup/lens/list.htm

You just find DX designating lenses for 'reduced frame' (1.5x) only bodies and FX for 'full frame' bodies. Actually FX lenses can be used on any digital SLR body, since the mount is exactly the same.

Different means have been used (or not used!) during the years as distinctives of 'topo of the line' Nikkors, so gold rings, golden character nameplates, etc. are almost meaningless(BTW: at present the top line is made of the "N" lenses, where N stays for "Nano(crystal) coating).

However what (unofficially) tells you (price apart) if a Nikkor model is ?professional' or not is the barrel material: All Nikkors (DX or FX) designed for professional use have barrel made of metal alloy. All 'consumer oriented' Nikkors come with a barrel made of (high quality) plastic.

18-200 (both VR and VRII versions) are made of plastic, so my no means they can be classified as 'professional'.

High price level? At Nikon they can't care the least about that, since they have produced somithing like one million one hundred thusands units since NOv-05, and it has been in short supply during years.

Image Quality? Well I own one and it is my carry-everywhere travel lens. Not comapable to any true PRO Nikkor, but always quite accptable. What makes its exceptional value lens is its convennience for use as a single lens camera solutions. Quite sharp in the WA field. Much more resisteant to shocks and weather than you would expect (personal experience here!). Fast and effective in-lens autofocus motor. Effective and quite reliable VR (image stabilization).
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That been said, I would rather carry my 50/1.4 AF-D for the purpose of quickly testing a new camera sensor.

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[rapick]

And check the raws.

Are there RAWs to check?

They, the link is right there on the page. ".NEF"

... the link doesn't work properly. What I got from download were some .tif files (not .nef!), 25MB size. But all that PS or LR3 (same as PS5) were able to make visible from them were some tiny 160x120 thumbnalis...

Now someone in this thread suggested that someone else had been able to download the raw files properly.

I would be interested to know how to do this, because I would like to use those images for testing the new LR3 image processing engine NR performance against my usual workflow with Neat Image PS plugin.

And, no, those .jpg are too flawed by unreasonable camera setting to be useful for any conclusion about true potential camera performance.
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[3systermuser]

I personally shot the D7000 myself and I did not get impressed with its low contrast images with the dull Nkon designed sensor.

And I chose my A55V , Nikon is really doomed.

Conventional D-SLRs are gradually dying.

If you are in Jpan , go to any of many Nikon Plaza and ask if you can try it there.

you should be ablet to try it with any lens there.

hope you have a great weekend.

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[3systermuser]

sure , one will die is not Oly but Nikon with its film legacy.

ISO3200 is horrible with this camera or any Nikon crop body.

The first two look like my E-P2 ISO 6400. About two stop advantage. If the E-5 has a stop over the Pen I think we'll be fine for awhile.

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[3systermuser]

well, it is the typical Nikon way too much NR always applied and causingall smearing paintery effects at all ISO.

Lacks detail and the images are still full of noise. I'm really not impressed. Even the ISO 800 image looks bad. I don't know if the camera is soft or if the images are OOF, but in either case it's not good.

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[3systermuser]

oh famous Nikon troll again , please stay in Nikon land , you guys are too nosy.

if you dont shoot Oly , then no need to bother.

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=36412850

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[3systermuser]

I still like the 12 megapixel Nikon output better than the lower pixel density new camera output.

wrong , because the old Nikon crops had Sony and that was why it was better than Oly in terms of noise but not Nikon crops got Nikon sensor , this is why the D7000 IQ is horribly bad.

and Nikon got more and more agressive in NR recently.

I believe they should have just optimized that output a little more instead of cramming more megapixels on that sensor.

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