C&C please

... There is no EXIF data that I can see to guess wat f stop you used, but from my study in this forum the smaller the aperture the better DOF you get.
thanks for the critque, this is the exif data, iso 200, f 4.0 speed 1/1000, 60mm

I may be corrected by others more experienced but we will wait and see. Do you have any other images of that flower?

yes I do, because when I took this picture, it's my friend's lens, so I tried different f.









I don't know what's wrong, but I feel there's something missing with the photo I just uploaded, can you probably shed a light?
 
I totally disagree with KEVZ...'s critique and suggestions. While his macro shots may indeed follow certain technical guidelines more closely than the OP's (i.e. broader DOF, more inclusive framing) they are rather "standard" and common in their appearance. The beauty of the OP's macro is in it's abstract and interpretive quality. It is much more artistic and evocative and therefore more interesting to look at than a "perfectly composed" flower macro that we already see so much of on calendars and elsewhere.

My advice: don't lose your artistic vision and your unique approach in pursuit of "standards" and "textbook approaches" - there really are no standards!
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I totally disagree with KEVZ...'s critique and suggestions. While his macro shots may indeed follow certain technical guidelines more closely than the OP's (i.e. broader DOF, more inclusive framing) they are rather "standard" and common in their appearance. The beauty of the OP's macro is in it's abstract and interpretive quality.
Whilst there are of course 'subjective' intangible qualities related to the individual 'creative' component of any ART work....there are also certain 'established' standards...especially with photography that is both 'technical' and artistic combined.

Having a 'focus' point to draw the eye, a well framed composition, lines of interest, great optical clarity, good resolution, well blanced luminosity, etc., etc., are ALL very importent factors.

ART does conform to certain guidelines (no matter what we like to think)...because the human experience includes a lot of 'established' commonalities.

Current neuro-science now suggests that WE (as a species) are far more 'borg-like' than we are willing to accept.

KEV
 
I don't disagree with your general philosophy, but I do disagree that the OP should significantly modify his approach to interpretive macro floral photography based on the advice you gave him. And I also disagree that your particular macro style, while inherently quite nice and pleasing to the eye, is any better or more desirable than the OP's. I find your macros quite clinical in their approach - great clarity, wonderful DOF, nice framing, "well balanced," but they don't hit me in the gut with that ineffable emotional component. The OP's macro does.

Which goes to show that following established rules can only take you so far. Picasso, Warhol, Van Gogh, Seurat, et al are historical testaments to that.

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flower: stupendous macro. looks like a volcanic eruption.
lamp: boring subject

oh, and don't pay those asking for "tech details" no mind. C&C on an image requires no knowledge of the mechanics of the capture. In fact, all those details hinder rather than accentuate a critical evaluation of an image's merit.

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Pretty much in agreement with the spiderbloke above. :)

I think I see what you were trying for with the 2nd one, but it just lacks a little something.

Neil
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I don't disagree with your general philosophy, but I do disagree that the OP should significantly modify his approach to interpretive macro floral photography based on the advice you gave him.
I think you are somewhat missing my point here.

The main appealing element of the OP's macro shot is the very striking and vivid colour, plus the shape/form of the subject.

IF he had made sure that those 'other' more technical components were also at a high standard...his picture would have been so much better.

Applying the 'technical' excellence factor to any picture won't distract from it's "appeal' or creativity aspect...but only enhance it.

It's a common myth that ART is a 100% free-flowing form of expression. Modern science now clearly indicates that WE (as a species) are far more 'hardwired' to established norms & commonality than we previously believed.

Great ART (in any medium) only works truly well - IF the creativer elements also engage the range of 'accepted' human psycho-social parameters.

Ie: a blurry subject, with no focus (attention) region - is just that - an "out of focus" photo....which doesn't make it artistic, just technically incorrect...and therefore, generally not acceptable to our human visual sensory experience.

KEV
 
The second say nothing to me, but the first one is really nice. I would however crop it a little bit, keeping the left side as it is but the right and the bottm part I would crop so that the black part is cut and the flower becomes balanced in the image. As it is, it is "tipping" to the left.

Thank you for sharing.
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Why so aggressive cary? It really does not make an iota of difference what the image was taken with. Yet to you, it seems as though the equipment is the holy grail and the image of no importance whatsoever. You may be losing sight of what photography is actually all about. Just a thought.
Well said, Neil!
 
I think you are somewhat missing my point here.

The main appealing element of the OP's macro shot is the very striking and vivid colour, plus the shape/form of the subject.
I agree
IF he had made sure that those 'other' more technical components were also at a high standard...his picture would have been so much better.
No, I disagree. His macro abstract does not need any "improvements" in "technical components." The narrow DOF, the truncated crop - these things add, not detract, from its favorable impact. However, if one's preconception of a flower macro ONLY allows for pin-sharp, fully framed, evenly lit parameters one will (as you appear to be) understandably be disappointed with a photo such as his. It's all about expectations and preconceptions.
Applying the 'technical' excellence factor to any picture won't distract from it's "appeal' or creativity aspect...but only enhance it.
Again, I disagree. If the intent is to represent "reality" then one could convincingly argue your point. But if the intent is to provide the viewer with a feel, an emotional impact, then sharpness, "rule of thirds" compositions, extended DOF, etc, etc are not essential and in some cases are counterproductive.
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It's a common myth that ART is a 100% free-flowing form of expression. Modern science now clearly indicates that WE (as a species) are far more 'hardwired' to established norms & commonality than we previously believed.
Perhaps, perhaps not. Modern science definitively and 'clearly indicating' much of anything has been shown, time and time again, to be, at best a temporary truth. When it comes to demonstrating scientifically what humans are and are not predisposed to enjoy aesthetically is at best a speculative field, a few published studies notwithstanding. Newborn babies may indeed respond more favorably to the high pitched female voice than to a lower pitched male voice, and may be thought to smile more often at teddy bears than trolls, but these studies are all very speculative in their conclusions and hardly constitute "hard science" in the vein of well-controlled, randomized, blinded studies of the "hard sciences."
Great ART (in any medium) only works truly well - IF the creativer elements also engage the range of 'accepted' human psycho-social parameters.
Please define "works well." Also, please define "Art." And please direct us to the citations to the works that support your rather narrow conclusion on what is and what is not "great."
Ie: a blurry subject, with no focus (attention) region - is just that - an "out of focus" photo....which doesn't make it artistic, just technically incorrect...and therefore, generally not acceptable to our human visual sensory experience.
I could not disagree more. Blur, soft focus, indistinct boundaries, merging colors and tones, etc are often elements that give an image, whether photographic or otherwise, a truly transcendental and desirable aeshetic quality. Were that not so, photographers would not be so heatedly and passionately discussing and praising the so-called "bokeh" of their $4,000 lenses.

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However, the crop is kinda sloppy and not framed/balanced particularly well...ie: the shot needs to breathe a bit more.
I agree the crop is a off, but I think the tight crop may have worked with better framing. The subject was the centre of the flower, a tight crop that was completely filled with flower might have worked.
Secondly, there is no focal point...even IF choosing a very narrow DOF (like you have here), it's still important to have a sharp/clear region to draw the eye in.
I don't understand this critique at all... the stamens (pistils?? too long since bio 101, lol) rising out of the sea of yellow are sharp and draw my eye immediately. I find it really quite striking.
 
Secondly, there is no focal point...even IF choosing a very narrow DOF (like you have here), it's still important to have a sharp/clear region to draw the eye in.
I don't understand this critique at all... the stamens (pistils?? too long since bio 101, lol) rising out of the sea of yellow are sharp and draw my eye immediately. I find it really quite striking.
I agree that the colours are indeed vivid and striking...however, there is nothing 'sharp' (ie: with high line/edge definition) about this shot.

There is no area of this picture that is actually sharp (as in clear/clarity) is ALL soft.

KEV
 
I think you are somewhat missing my point here.

The main appealing element of the OP's macro shot is the very striking and vivid colour, plus the shape/form of the subject.
I agree
IF he had made sure that those 'other' more technical components were also at a high standard...his picture would have been so much better.
No, I disagree. His macro abstract does not need any "improvements" in "technical components." The narrow DOF, the truncated crop - these things add, not detract, from its favorable impact.
In your opinion...
Again, I disagree. If the intent is to represent "reality" then one could convincingly argue your point. But if the intent is to provide the viewer with a feel, an emotional impact, then sharpness, "rule of thirds" compositions, extended DOF, etc, etc are not essential and in some cases are counterproductive.
The important part of your comment here is "in some cases" ....however, with regard to this particular shot...that analogy does not apply ;)
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Ie: a blurry subject, with no focus (attention) region - is just that - an "out of focus" photo....which doesn't make it artistic, just technically incorrect...and therefore, generally not acceptable to our human visual sensory experience.
I could not disagree more. Blur, soft focus, indistinct boundaries, merging colors and tones, etc are often elements that give an image, whether photographic or otherwise, a truly transcendental and desirable aeshetic quality. Were that not so, photographers would not be so heatedly and passionately discussing and praising the so-called "bokeh" of their $4,000 lenses.
I've been taking photographs for 40 years...you don't need to remind me of things that I learnt 3-4 decades ago.

You forgot to include one word here that is crucial....and that is "can"...

A soft focus (or blur) "can" give an image a desirable-attractive visual quality. However, this is only when it is deliberately applied to draw emotion by excentuating a specifc mood, effect, or whatever.

Not when the entire shot is unintentionally blurred, or soft.

You are merely trying to substantiate your position here...when in reality this example is not a good one to use for that purpose...

KEV
 
Actually, the attempts at validating an opinion by quoting pseudoscience are quite clearly yours, not mine. I'm sorry if I've thretened your 40 years of photography experience, but I can now see that that fact about your background goes quite a ways in explaining your apparently rather rigid and dogmatic POV vis-a-vis what can be considered "good" photography and what cannot.

I stand by my original statement, which was that your critique of the OP's floral macro was based on a false premise that such photos need to adhere to certain standards of technique in order to be successful.

Happy shooting!

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I agree that the colours are indeed vivid and striking...however, there is nothing 'sharp' (ie: with high line/edge definition) about this shot.

There is no area of this picture that is actually sharp (as in clear/clarity) is ALL soft.

KEV
Well, again you are incorrect. There is a definite length of the central tubular structures (pistils? stamens?) that are coated with fine granules of yellow pollen that are quite sharp and which draw the eye in quite nicely. There is a definite sharp focal point to this photography, no doubt about it.

Perhaps your monitor is a bit soft, or you need stronger spectacles? That would be a simple problem to correct, and we may be arguing over nothing.

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Actually, the attempts at validating an opinion by quoting pseudoscience are quite clearly yours, not mine.
I said neuro-science, not pseudoscience...and IF you are not studied in this subject...there's really no point discussing it with you.

I guess next, you will be telling me that there really is a god? ;)

Aloha...

KEV
 

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