C&C please

[funnelwebmaster]

Actually, the attempts at validating an opinion by quoting pseudoscience are quite clearly yours, not mine.

I said neuro-science, not pseudoscience...and IF you are not studied in this subject...there's really no point discussing it with you.

I guess next, you will be telling me that there really is a god?

Aloha...

KEV

Please...there is no true "science" behind your claims, neuro or otherwise.
As for the 'god' comment - irrelevant at best.

Mahalo!

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[olyflyer]

Secondly, there is no focal point...even IF choosing a very narrow DOF (like you have here), it's still important to have a sharp/clear region to draw the eye in.

I don't understand this critique at all... the stamens (pistils?? too long since bio 101, lol) rising out of the sea of yellow are sharp and draw my eye immediately. I find it really quite striking.

I agree that the colours are indeed vivid and striking...however, there is nothing 'sharp' (ie: with high line/edge definition) about this shot.

There is no area of this picture that is actually sharp (as in clear/clarity) is ALL soft.

I think you are far too hard and unfair. I also think you should have a new look at that image and if you really don't see "nothing sharp" than you should look for the reasons within your own environment.

If we are looking at the same image (the first in this thread) than that is a real masterpiece. In my opinion it only needs 10% off from the bottom and the right side. After that there is nothing else to do than printing it as large as possible, framing it and hanging it up on a wall. No one should be ashamed of having an image like that on the wall. It is indeed ART 100%, as opposed to a scientific study image where everything should be in focus and extremely sharp. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that image.

Kev, I normally respect your opinion concerning flowers but I am sorry, I can not agree with you at all concerning this one.
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[CLOSED ACCOUNT]

If we are looking at the same image (the first in this thread) than that is a real masterpiece. In my opinion it only needs 10% off from the bottom and the right side. After that there is nothing else to do than printing it as large as possible, framing it and hanging it up on a wall. No one should be ashamed of having an image like that on the wall. It is indeed ART 100%, as opposed to a scientific study image where everything should be in focus and extremely sharp. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that image.

That's OK, we are all entitled to a difference of opinion & perspective...no one said we are supposed to agree

I personally like the vivid/bold colours a lot and the upfront (in your face) stance. However, I find the crop sloppy and awkward...with the front portion of the plant (frame) cut-off too abruptly. Overall the picture looks rather cramped, and doesn't breathe...

Yes, I can see that the stamens are a "little" sharper than the surrounding central region - however, for me I would like it to be more so...it doesn't draw the eye IN enuff, for my taste.

That's it...

KEV

 

[olyflyer]

If we are looking at the same image (the first in this thread) than that is a real masterpiece. In my opinion it only needs 10% off from the bottom and the right side. After that there is nothing else to do than printing it as large as possible, framing it and hanging it up on a wall. No one should be ashamed of having an image like that on the wall. It is indeed ART 100%, as opposed to a scientific study image where everything should be in focus and extremely sharp. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that image.

That's OK, we are all entitled to a difference of opinion & perspective...no one said we are supposed to agree

I personally like the vivid/bold colours a lot and the upfront (in your face) stance. However, I find the crop sloppy and awkward...with the front portion of the plant (frame) cut-off too abruptly. Overall the picture looks rather cramped, and doesn't breathe...

Yes, I can see that the stamens are a "little" sharper than the surrounding central region - however, for me I would like it to be more so...it doesn't draw the eye IN enuff, for my taste.

That's it...

Yes, i know that, I followed the thread and read your opinions about the image. That's why I say I disagree with practically everything negative you said concerning this image. With your proposal it would be a great flower image, but it would be just another flower image . As it is, it is very nice image, and in my opinion, with my proposed cropping (which is even more than what is done by the OP) it would be a piece of art, not just another flower study.

Never the less, I find it pointless to start an argument about this, let's just agree that we disagree.
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[folks]

I just read the thread, and I'm moved and felt guilty about it. I mean because of my question of C&C, you guys got into arguments.

Personally, I like my photo (even though, I can't explain it as you guys yet, I mean I just kind of like it), I also like the Kev's photos. So personally I want to thanks all of you specially funnelwebmaster, kev, and olyflyer. (Hope I make sense)

I have questions though for kev, I really like your photo, even using a tripod and f16, I don't think I can achieve the same kind of sharpness as your photo. Is there any secret receipt?

for olyflyer, is this what you mean by cropping 10% of the bottom and the right side?





And can you give me some kind of guideline (if any), for cropping? I'm sometimes confuse, when shall I need to crop tightly and loosely? I've read about that subjects on the internet, but I still confuse. ^ ^

Again, Thanks to you all

 

[folks]

Do you now really care what these people think of your photos.

I do, because I ask for an honest c&c, and I want to improve myself. I can consider myself having almost none in the photography knowledge.

Because some of them are valid in pointing my weakness and pointing me into a better way. I hope it make sense, sorry for my English

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[CLOSED ACCOUNT]

I much prefer this new cropped image.

No secrets - just the proper tools for macro.....tripod, geared head, focus rails, a good quality dedicated macro 1:1 lens, shutter remote, mirror up, and an obssessive, meticulous, precision based approach

Simple.

KEV

 

[olyflyer]

for olyflyer, is this what you mean by cropping 10% of the bottom and the right side?

Yes, I think it is much better this way. But...

If I'd had a chance I'd reshoot the image in a way that there will be more of the bottom part, the yellow, without any black in the image. By "more" I mean more then it is in the original image as well. Never the less, I think with the crop the image is better, but that is just my taste, I don't have to be right in any way.

And can you give me some kind of guideline (if any), for cropping? I'm sometimes confuse, when shall I need to crop tightly and loosely? I've read about that subjects on the internet, but I still confuse. ^ ^

I certainly can't give you any rules. What works for one image may not work for another. My advice is to keep on shooting and give it time. Try to imagine the image before you press the shutter release. Think about every image as if it was the last frame you could take for any reason and take your time. That way you may see things you never see otherwise when you just shoot image after image. Good equipment is important, but definitely not the most important thing in photography. You have to learn to see.

Good luck and just continue shooting and posting.
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[Levesque09]

I agree that the colours are indeed vivid and striking...however, there is nothing 'sharp' (ie: with high line/edge definition) about this shot.

There is no area of this picture that is actually sharp (as in clear/clarity) is ALL soft.

KEV

Sorry, I really don't understand why you keep saying this... the centre of the flower is indeed sharp.

I guess it depends on if you are trying to document flowers or create an interesting image. To each his own and all that, but FWIW I find the first image here far more interesting than anything on the pages of examples you linked.

 

[CLOSED ACCOUNT]

Sorry, I really don't understand why you keep saying this... the centre of the flower is indeed sharp.

I say it...because that's how I sees it...to me, the centre of the image is not really sharp....are you going to tell me that I should ignore my own visual perceptual system and rely upon yours?

Perhaps you could also tell me whether or not I like chocolate or lemons too whilst yer at it

I guess it depends on if you are trying to document flowers or create an interesting image. To each his own and all that, but FWIW I find the first image here far more interesting than anything on the pages of examples you linked.

"Interesting" = subjective personal taste...and has absolutely nothing to do with the "technical" elements such as: IQ, optical clarity, resolution, etc.

You are mixing apples and oranges here - they are two very different contextual premises.

I don't understand why some folks around here have a problem with me saying that I find the picture 'soft'....why is it that you want me to agree with YOUR preception? as IF it's the only right one.

The OP wanted an honest C&C on this photo. I gave it to him from MY visual advantage point (not yours)...so just accept it.

Nuff said...

KEV

 

[Levesque09]

I say it...because that's how I sees it...to me, the centre of the image is not really sharp....are you going to tell me that I should ignore my own visual perceptual system and rely upon yours?

Well... that would make things much easier.

I don't understand why some folks around here have a problem with me saying that I find the picture 'soft'....why is it that you want me to agree with YOUR preception? as IF it's the only right one.

Fair enough... I guess the reason I spoke up is because I don't agree that more sharpness would make the image better. It might make it worse imho.

Nuff said...

OK