Bye bye aperture. Hello LR

[Captmatt]

but to talk about things more on topic... What Apreture 3 is trying to accomplish with the merging of Multi-Media!! GENIUS!!! I mean really!! Awesome Awesome Awesome!! Not only will it organize my photos!! It will now organize and keyword ALL MY AUDIO AND HD VIDEO!!!! wowowowowow.

It's kind of like a "Bridge"? I wonder if Adobe ever thought of such a "Bridge"?

Pun intended!!

A3 is on the way! Ordered today!

 

[lg_ams]

As of 6 hours ago:

This update extends RAW image compatibility for Aperture 3 and iPhoto ’09 for the following cameras and formats:

Canon PowerShot S90
Canon sRAW
Canon mRAW
Leica D-LUX 4
Panasonic Lumix DMC-G1
Panasonic Lumix DMC-GH1
Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX3

hope it helps

 

[aj_taylor]

So why have so many pro photographers switched to Lightroom because they are sick to death of of the continued poor RAW support in Aperture. Even those Canon/Nikon users hire out different brands sometimes and what they don't want to do is have to mess around with different software. Also even with Canon/Nikon Apple have been slow to support sometimes.

If you said that they'd switched to LR due to its superior conversion or being faster, I'd agree with you.

 

[muntzphoto]

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-10048-10493
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Muntz Photography
Zaandam, NL

 

[muntzphoto]

oh I'm not discrediting Bridge... but seriously man... Bridge sucks so bad!! I have never ever ever ever truly enjoyed using bridge

and lets not forget that bridge has no functionality for editing or really doing anything with your files, you can just browse them and have access to batch renaming or apply actions.
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Muntz Photography
Zaandam, NL

 

[noirdesir]

So why have so many pro photographers switched to Lightroom because they are sick to death of of the continued poor RAW support in Aperture.

Ok, you say a lot of Canon/Nikon shooter switched to LR because Aperture was slow in supporting cameras they do not use? A bit like if Apple is not nice to other people (who shoot unsupported cameras), I am not being nice to Apple.

Even those Canon/Nikon users hire out different brands sometimes and what they don't want to do is have to mess around with different software.

I am not saying that those that use cameras other than Nikon/Canon would not switch. But there are a lot which basically only use Canon/Nikon (and any other supported non-Nikon/Canon camera).

Also even with Canon/Nikon Apple have been slow to support sometimes.

Show me some real data for Canon/Nikon support in LR and Aperture. Take the last ten cameras and tell me what was the average delay for LR and what was the average delay for Aperture (and let's exclude beta software).

For Aperture you find all the data on its Wikipedia page, for LR you'll have to do some work (shouldn't be so hard).

 

[art1sta]

I dont have anything to do with either Adobe or Apple and have no interest in either one but I would think that a company that works exclusively with media stuff would be the one to bet on if your serious about photography (ie Adobe).

Adobe leads the market in many ways the same way that Apple leads in others. Why anyone would expect Apple to provide the same kind of tools for photographers as Adobe does baffles me.

The inclusion of face detection and location services says it all, its directed for the amateur or enthusiast as an upgrade to Iphoto

 

[Wilmar Boer]

and lets not forget that bridge has no functionality for editing or really doing anything with your files, you can just browse them and have access to batch renaming or apply actions.

And that's exactly the only thing I want it to do. Bridge isn't meant to do any editing. Bridge is the filebrowser for the Creative Suite and it excels in rating, renaming and organizing files in a way that it's only an extension of the finder (or explorer on Windows). Therefore I can work with Indesign, Illustrator and Photoshop documents (and RAW and JPG images too) like there stored on my harddrive (one folder per client). The big advantage is that it doesn't store everything in a big database that gets clunky when you want to backup the daily changes or have to send prepress PDF's or demo's to client etc.... I can just pick a set of files, drop it on a ZIP application and sent the ZIP to the client.

Bridge does not have the intention to be a photographers editing tool. Besides being a photographer I'm also a graphics designer and webdesigner and therefore spending time in every app of de CS. For that Bridge is awesome, can't live without it. And the editing is done with the CS's different app's.

 

[FunkyEmu]

The inclusion of face detection and location services says it all, its directed for the amateur or enthusiast as an upgrade to Iphoto

There are 198 other features - serious Mac-based photogs probably already flipped through the list. I'm sure those two got prominent billing as Apple would love more hobbyists to upgrade from iPhoto.

As for amateur-only, here's one enthusiast's take: http://blog.chasejarvis.com/blog/2010/02/apple-aperture-30-awesomeness.html

Use whatever tools you want, but to dismiss this without any experience with it is foolish.

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http://lonelyfridge.com/photography/

 

[art1sta]

I am not dismissing anything especially when it comes from Apple but you cant be a master of all trades, not for long at least without messing something up.

If you have a company that is dedicated to image editing with the history that Adobe has and you have X amount of money to spend then the safest bet would always be with them.

I had a look at some of the most prominent features and there is nothing there that I have not been doing with Lightroom for quite a while but I will download Apperture just to have a look.

 

[PSGimages]

I am not dismissing anything especially when it comes from Apple but you cant be a master of all trades, not for long at least without messing something up.

If you have a company that is dedicated to image editing with the history that Adobe has and you have X amount of money to spend then the safest bet would always be with them.

I had a look at some of the most prominent features and there is nothing there that I have not been doing with Lightroom for quite a while but I will download Apperture just to have a look.

Here's a good synopsis from a guy who runs both LR and AP3
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1017&message=34497397

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P. Guyton
http://www.pbase.com/corsairvelo

 

[graybalanced]

I don't buy this argument of "pros won't use it because it doesn't support the latest cameras". Most professional photographers treat their cameras as tools, not toys. As such, they find a tool that works, and stick with it. They buy their cameras based on whether it'll work with their existing setup.

There are pros who would like to use newer equipment for the competitive advantages they bring.

 

[Dude Steve]

The inclusion of face detection and location services says it all, its directed for the amateur or enthusiast as an upgrade to Iphoto

heh.

There are 198 other features - serious Mac-based photogs probably already flipped through the list. I'm sure those two got prominent billing as Apple would love more hobbyists to upgrade from iPhoto.

As for amateur-only, here's one enthusiast's take: http://blog.chasejarvis.com/blog/2010/02/apple-aperture-30-awesomeness.html

Use whatever tools you want, but to dismiss this without any experience with it is foolish.

Agree. Seems to me that Apple is certainly trying to widen their audience "downward" by including some features "for the rest of us". Nothing wrong with that, as even pros may find some of the "amateur" features useful.

But how is location services directed to the amateur? It looked to me that that was targeted more so to a subset of the pros. I know I'm not paying the bucks for GPS data.

Aperture has always had pro-level features. Well, at least since 1.5 . Including face detection doesn't all of a sudden remove all pro features and make it a non-pro app.

Lightroom must be for amateurs, too, I guess. They're direct competitors.

[Personally, I'm probably going to switch to LR3 - waiting for LR3 to be final to decide]

 

[FunkyEmu]

But how is location services directed to the amateur? It looked to me that that was targeted more so to a subset of the pros. I know I'm not paying the bucks for GPS data.

GPS trackers seem to be ~$60USD. I plan on getting one and then one of the little widget apps that just pulls off the NMAE data so you don't have to use the proprietary GPS+awful-iPhoto clone most of them seem to come with.

[Personally, I'm probably going to switch to LR3 - waiting for LR3 to be final to decide]

The modal interface of LR makes me want to punch kittens (or whatever the punching-meme is today).

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http://lonelyfridge.com/photography/

 

[FunkyEmu]

I am not dismissing anything especially when it comes from Apple but you cant be a master of all trades, not for long at least without messing something up.

If Apple only had two engineers to split between OS X, Mac hardware, iPhones, iPods, iLife, etc, then you might have a point, but they have many engineering teams, each dedicated to a product/project.

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http://lonelyfridge.com/photography/

 

[Dude Steve]

But how is location services directed to the amateur? It looked to me that that was targeted more so to a subset of the pros. I know I'm not paying the bucks for GPS data.

GPS trackers seem to be ~$60USD. I plan on getting one and then one of the little widget apps that just pulls off the NMAE data so you don't have to use the proprietary GPS+awful-iPhoto clone most of them seem to come with.

Thanks, I didn't realize that was changing! Looks like recent non-pro Canons are starting to not require the $600+ wireless xmitter.

[Personally, I'm probably going to switch to LR3 - waiting for LR3 to be final to decide]

The modal interface of LR makes me want to punch kittens (or whatever the punching-meme is today).

Agreed - Aperture has a waaay better UI. Aperture 3 seems to have enough going for it that it's going to make the decision hard.

 

[FunkyEmu]

GPS trackers seem to be ~$60USD. I plan on getting one and then one of the little widget apps that just pulls off the NMAE data so you don't have to use the proprietary GPS+awful-iPhoto clone most of them seem to come with.

Thanks, I didn't realize that was changing! Looks like recent non-pro Canons are starting to not require the $600+ wireless xmitter.

As I understand it, the Canon/Nikon GPS units tag the photos as they're taken, so there's no further work- with these cheaper, seperate units, you have to dump the GPS logs into Aperture/iPhoto, then drop one of your photos on the map track where it was taken, and it'll plot the rest.

The convenience isn't worth $200USD to me (Nikon's wired GPS unit).

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http://lonelyfridge.com/photography/

 

[art1sta]

I still say that however good you might be at something you can not be good at everything. You may have many engineers working for you but eventually you will loose sight of what made you great and you will fail. History has a way of repeating itself and many big companies have failed because they left their core business in search of bigger profits.

Frankly I suspect that most people at Dpreview use about 10% of the capabilities of either of theses programs and either one would be more than enough for them.

Everything else said and written is done to make you upgrade from Iphoto and that’s ok Apple is here to make money and they have a right to promote their stuff.

 

[FunkyEmu]

I still say that however good you might be at something you can not be good at everything.

Why is that true of Apple and not of Adobe? You seem to think that LR is better just because of it being an Adobe product and that fact gives it some sort of pedigree. If Aperture is just an upgrade to iPhoto, then LR is just an upgrade to Bridge– neither of which happens to be true. I do think LR is the best product Adobe has shipped in a number of years - fresh, innovative stuff; that comes despite— not because of —despite Adobe's 'pedigree' of recent years.

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http://lonelyfridge.com/photography/

 

[graybalanced]

Frankly I suspect that most people at Dpreview use about 10% of the capabilities of either of theses programs and either one would be more than enough for them.

The reason there are complaints is that if you have a Panasonic GF1, 10% is a meaningless number because you can use 0% of the Aperture feature set and 100% of the Lightroom feature set.

Also because each photographer uses a different 10%. For example if part of the 10% of the features you valued in Lightroom was the adjustment brushes, then Aperture 2 would not have been "more than enough" in fact it would not have been "enough." Now that Aperture 3 has brushes, either Aperture or Lightroom can be "more than enough" for those whose 10% includes brushes.