Bye bye aperture. Hello LR

[Jake Loves Good Glass]

I don't personally use Aperture, but I doubt the lack of coverage of those models would even enter into the minds of most pros since they don't use those cameras. Now if they forgot a Nikon, Canon or any of the MF bodies, then the pros would start complaining.

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Wow...that's a pretty killer camera! Are you any good?

-Jake-

 

[graybalanced]

I don't personally use Aperture, but I doubt the lack of coverage of those models would even enter into the minds of most pros since they don't use those cameras. Now if they forgot a Nikon, Canon or any of the MF bodies, then the pros would start complaining.

The fact is that a few months ago, that is exactly what was happening. Apple was late adding support for certain Nikon and Canon DSLRs that were supported months ago by Adobe. And it wasn't the first time. I guess the only reason you don't notice right now is that Apple finally issued a camera update just before the Aperture release. It does enter into the minds of pros, on a regular basis.

 

[Jake Loves Good Glass]

You're probably right. Like I said in my post, I don't use Aperture and thus have not been paying a lot of attention to it other than taking a glance here and there when I am in the Apple Store.

I suppose that would be alarming to see them not upgrading their list of cameras that they function with until well after they have arrived on market. I admittedly use Adobe Products and have not had any real issues with them keeping up. Even if you don't get the new software, you can still convert all RAW files into their universal format...so you really never have a compatibility issue to worry about. I wonder. Does Aperture accept DNG files? If so, then again, you wouldn't have to worry about them updating so often as you could always run a quick conversion script using Adobe DNG Converter, which is free, and be able to access files even in aperture.

Anyone know if Aperture accepts DNG files? I know that Panasonic and Leica have used this format for their own RAW files in the past, so it would make sense that Aperture would be compliant with the file standard.

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Wow...that's a pretty killer camera! Are you any good?

-Jake-

 

[graybalanced]

Aperture does read DNG. But it didn't used to. They added limited DNG support, meaning it wouldn't always work with DNG made by the Adobe converter. I think they loosened it up so that you could import a wider range of DNG. But that didn't change the question of how you were supposed to get those camera files into DNG for Aperture in the first place. The answer of course was to use the competitor's software (DNG converter)! Which seems sort of silly, but it is what many had to do until Apple got around to it.

 

[Jake Loves Good Glass]

Well I'm not sure what the problem would be with using a free bit of software, other than from Apple's perspective...but if they weren't providing support for the RAW files then the user will have to find some way to make it work.

I honestly just wish that DNG would become the standard so that we don't have to worry quite so much about having your software compatible with which camera and what not.

I am glad to hear that Aperture is able to use the file type though. Maybe I should actually give this bit of software a try and see what all of you are talking about. Is there a 30 day trial available for Aperture?

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Wow...that's a pretty killer camera! Are you any good?

-Jake-

 

[denniswms]

The universe is more settled now knowing your decision.

 

[Alpha Doug]

There is an App that makes you iPhone a GPS logger for your photography. It syncs with your images upon import (or import to a folder, I'm not clear on the process).
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Only my opinion. It's worth what you paid for it. Your mileage may vary! ;-}

http://www.dougwigton.com/

 

[Paul Barnard]

I think in common with a lot of people you are confusing the fact that RAW support is built into the OS by Apple not the Application. Apple releases RAW updates independently of Aperture updates. What this means is that support for a new camera can be added at anytime it does not have to wait for an update to the application. It also means that when Apple releases a new RAW support it is also available for those still using AP2 or AP1.5 or in fact iPhoto or even the finder...

I agree they can be a little slower at getting a specific RAW conversion out but at least it is available for ALL the places you might want to use it on your MAC.

 

[bondiblue]

After purchasing and installing, it converted the entire library to its own format, which took hours.

Now on launching Aperture it locks up, then crashes, which means I cannot access the library until Apple releases a fix.

And I am not alone, on Apple's Aperture support forum many others are in this pickle.

Thankfully I have a TM backup and am now rolling back my entire system and the Aperture library to prior to this install.

Then I will export all my images back to files, and stick to a file-based management system as the use of a proprIetary database is just too risky with this sort of thing going on.

To anyone else considering A3 - BACKUP YOUR IMAGE LIBRARY FIRST - before installing, in case this bites you too.

 

[graybalanced]

I am glad to hear that Aperture is able to use the file type though. Maybe I should actually give this bit of software a try and see what all of you are talking about. Is there a 30 day trial available for Aperture?

Yes. Go to apple.com/aperture and there's a download button. It's long been the recommendation that you download the 30-day trials of both Aperture and its competition to confirm which one fits you better. During your 30 days, devour all the tutorial videos you can on the web. Especially if you come from an app like Photoshop, because Aperture and Lightroom are not Photoshop so the highest use and best practices with each type of software is different.

 

[tabloid]

and lets not forget that bridge has no functionality for editing or really doing anything with your files, you can just browse them and have access to batch renaming or apply actions.

And that's exactly the only thing I want it to do. Bridge isn't meant to do any editing. Bridge is the filebrowser for the Creative Suite and it excels in rating, renaming and organizing files in a way that it's only an extension of the finder (or explorer on Windows). Therefore I can work with Indesign, Illustrator and Photoshop documents (and RAW and JPG images too) like there stored on my harddrive (one folder per client). The big advantage is that it doesn't store everything in a big database that gets clunky when you want to backup the daily changes or have to send prepress PDF's or demo's to client etc.... I can just pick a set of files, drop it on a ZIP application and sent the ZIP to the client.

Bridge does not have the intention to be a photographers editing tool. Besides being a photographer I'm also a graphics designer and webdesigner and therefore spending time in every app of de CS. For that Bridge is awesome, can't live without it. And the editing is done with the CS's different app's.

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I couldn't agree more.
I would be lost without Bridge.
GR

 

[tabloid]

Every time i read about Aperture v Light Room it puts me off getting either.

 

[nikor]

n/t

 

[Alpha Doug]

Bondiblue,

What previous library did you try to convert? A Lightroom Library? You know you don't have to use the internal database managed library. You have been able since Apertur 1.5 to use a "referenced" library, just like LR. When using a referenced library, it takes much less time to import the images since it doesn't have to copy them to a new location. But it locks you out of using the Vault. And it has the same problem that a referenced library always has. If you fool with the images outside of the program, or move or delete them, it messes up the internal database of both LR and AP.

First, when trying a new program, it is never a good idea to do wholesale importing. Import a few images into a single Project until you figure out what you are doing and how the program works. Then read up in the online manual about how the library works and best practices for importing images. I really believe that a lot of the importing problems folks are experiencing are because they just jump in with both feet without knowing anything about how image importing and cataloguing in Aperture works.
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Only my opinion. It's worth what you paid for it. Your mileage may vary! ;-}

http://www.dougwigton.com/

 

[graybalanced]

and lets not forget that bridge has no functionality for editing or really doing anything with your files, you can just browse them and have access to batch renaming or apply actions.

And that's exactly the only thing I want it to do. Bridge isn't meant to do any editing.

While technically correct, that is a common and erroneous assumption. You can do massive amounts of editing from Bridge by opening your raws, TIFFs, and JPEGs in Camera Raw, then you can use Bridge to copy and paste CR settings. People should not ignore this because it means you can do quite a bit of real editing with Bridge. While leaving Photoshop closed the whole time.

I have Lightroom but in some cases I'm on a job and they only have Photoshop and I am in a situation where I wish I had Lightroom. No problem...fire up Bridge, select many images, batch open in Camera Raw, make edits, copy and paste settings, add keywords, boom...done.

 

[Jake Loves Good Glass]

Thanks! I think I will have to give it a try...now if they would only make a Windows version so I can use it on all of my computers.

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Wow...that's a pretty killer camera! Are you any good?

-Jake-

 

[Wilmar Boer]

Actually all the RAW editing is done in Photoshop. After saying "Edit in RAW" photoshop opens it's RAW editor and writes an XMP file with a description of the changes. No file content is altered in Bridge. But I agree. Sometimes I don't even open a file in Photoshop because the RAW editor gives al the editing I need.

and lets not forget that bridge has no functionality for editing or really doing anything with your files, you can just browse them and have access to batch renaming or apply actions.

And that's exactly the only thing I want it to do. Bridge isn't meant to do any editing.

While technically correct, that is a common and erroneous assumption. You can do massive amounts of editing from Bridge by opening your raws, TIFFs, and JPEGs in Camera Raw, then you can use Bridge to copy and paste CR settings. People should not ignore this because it means you can do quite a bit of real editing with Bridge. While leaving Photoshop closed the whole time.

I have Lightroom but in some cases I'm on a job and they only have Photoshop and I am in a situation where I wish I had Lightroom. No problem...fire up Bridge, select many images, batch open in Camera Raw, make edits, copy and paste settings, add keywords, boom...done.

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http://www.image33.nl

 

[WCguy]

Bondiblue,

What previous library did you try to convert? A Lightroom Library? You know you don't have to use the internal database managed library. You have been able since Apertur 1.5 to use a "referenced" library, just like LR. When using a referenced library, it takes much less time to import the images since it doesn't have to copy them to a new location. But it locks you out of using the Vault. And it has the same problem that a referenced library always has. If you fool with the images outside of the program, or move or delete them, it messes up the internal database of both LR and AP.

First, when trying a new program, it is never a good idea to do wholesale importing. Import a few images into a single Project until you figure out what you are doing and how the program works. Then read up in the online manual about how the library works and best practices for importing images. I really believe that a lot of the importing problems folks are experiencing are because they just jump in with both feet without knowing anything about how image importing and cataloguing in Aperture works.
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Only my opinion. It's worth what you paid for it. Your mileage may vary! ;-}

http://www.dougwigton.com/

--I totally agree . I had no problems at all importing my library, just took my time, little by little. I love AP3, much faster , great look and easy to use. I have Bibble Pro, Elements, Adobe, DxO Pro, LR and AP3 is in my opinion the best of them all.

Give it some time and make sure you have a computer that can handle it. Already had an update for slideshow.I also bought a new iMac and love it. Using it for all my photo work only, use another PC for all my other stuff.

It's What You Learn After You Know It All That Counts !

 

[graybalanced]

Actually all the RAW editing is done in Photoshop. After saying "Edit in RAW" photoshop opens it's RAW editor and writes an XMP file with a description of the changes. No file content is altered in Bridge. But I agree. Sometimes I don't even open a file in Photoshop because the RAW editor gives al the editing I need.

No, in the workflow I describe, none of the editing happens in Photoshop. There are multiple ways to open a pic in Bridge. You can "Open in Photoshop" or you can "Open in Camera Raw." I was talking about the latter. If you "Open in Camera Raw", Camera Raw opens inside Bridge only. When you are Done, you return to Bridge, not Photoshop. You are editing in Bridge, with Camera Raw...Photoshop never launches. All the RAM Photoshop would have used can be left free for other apps.