Best pixel quality ?

[Chris Wolfgram]

That is odd. He has been shooting huge prints with Canon so far, so he must have some Canon lenses. Actually he has at least $8000 in Canon lenses. His budget is around 6K, so a GFX is not out of the question.

Well, just because I have $6k+ in lenses, doesn't mean my budget is $6K.... I'm sorry to say, but if I tried to sell my $6K worth of lenses, I'd struggle to get $1500 for them. Just a life long thing. I've never been able to sell anything used, for even a small fraction of what it's worth.

He did say large format was out of the question not medium format.

Honestly, I'm not even sure how much a MF camera would help me ? I guess with a few things which just couldn't be stitched... But otherwise, even with a MF set up, I'd still be stitching.

the past I have waited a couple of years to buy the specific equipment that I wanted and my photography never suffered while waiting.

For some reason he has eliminated the 5DS R in favour of the D850,

The reason is, I've read many times, that the D850 is much cleaner in lower light. Which is a lot of my photography.

whch means an investment in all new lenses.

Just want the OP to be aware that there are alternatives to a D850.

 

[mostlyboringphotog]

A D850 shot may look more noisy

Again, at base ISO, the D850 has less noise than the D750 or the 6D.

The noise comparison normalizes the per pixel noise into per sensor module noise. It does not really represent what you see at the 100% crop.

Not sure what that means.

There is no D850 noise issue at ISO 64. What is much more relevant is the capability for a low noise shadow push, which landscapers do all the time in post to bring up a low exposure taken to include the sun in the frame without it looking like a thermonuclear explosion:


DPR

The D850 manages to maintain black with no loss of contrast, no weird colors and no banding better than any other camera at any price. Just a light pass with a good NR and we're back to near total lack of grain.

I'm not saying D850 has noise issues more than any other camera...

What I mean is that when viewed at 100% crop (viewing per pixel quality) D850 looks noisier than D750 as below comparison shows.


100% (FULL)

However, when viewed at the same size, D850 looks about the same, as the D850 image is down sampled to the same pixel count as D750.

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COMP - Also, note somewhat "sharper" look to the D850 COMP

 

[John Crowe]

In your original post you stated that your budget for a nice pixel camera was $6k. If you do make the huge jump to Nikon and did want to sell your Canon lenses you could get a lot of your money back on eBay or kijiji. Cameras depreciate quickly, lenses do not. I understand if you trade in to a retailer then you do lose a lot of money.

I understand that with MF you will still have to stitch but perhaps much less.

Oddly enough there is an article posted here today about the Panasonic S1R with its high res shooting mode and the results...certainly worth you checking out.

After many stagnant years in the DX sensor development and a few in the FX sensor development things finally seem to be making a bit of a push forward. Probably as Canon and NIkon start to push the limits for their mirrorless systems. If you don't think the D850 is going to be surpassed anytime soon, then go for it.

If I could afford the D850 strictly for sports I would have one to go along with my 5DS R for architecture/landscapes. As it is I make due with an A6000.

I did notice in your galleries that you do still shoot a lot of photos without stitching, so just be careful not to forego one aspect of your talents for another.

Take care and good luck.

 

[Chris Wolfgram]

In your original post you stated that your budget for a nice pixel camera was $6k

I had to go back and read that ! Lol That was kind of a long term budget, but certainly not this ninumi. I was just trying to weed out responses about $50K Hasselblads.

. If you do make the huge jump to Nikon and did want to sell your Canon lenses you could get a lot of your money back on eBay or kijiji.

No, YOU could get a lot of money back on eBay and such. I've had a life long curse, in Which I can never sell anything for anywhere close to what it's worth. I'd probably get offers for like $1000. Or if I offered it all for $1000, they would try to haggle me down

Cameras depreciate quickly, lenses do not. I understand if you trade in to a retailer then you do lose a lot of money.

I understand that with MF you will still have to stitch but perhaps much less.

Agreed, but really how much less work would that be ? All the same steps...

Oddly enough there is an article posted here today about the Panasonic S1R with its high res shooting mode and the results...certainly worth you checking out.

I will...

After many stagnant years in the DX sensor development and a few in the FX sensor development things finally seem to be making a bit of a push forward. Probably as Canon and NIkon start to push the limits for their mirrorless systems. If you don't think the D850 is going to be surpassed anytime soon, then go for it.

Honestly, as far as DSLR's go, it might not ever be surpassed. With the camera makers swinging toward ML cameras.

If I could afford the D850 strictly for sports I would have one to go along with my 5DS R for architecture/landscapes. As it is I make due with an A6000.

I did notice in your galleries that you do still shoot a lot of photos without stitching, so just be careful not to forego one aspect of your talents for another.

Yes, but if I think it's a landscape that might sell, I always stitch nowadays

Take care and good luck.

Thank you You too.

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[bobn2]

I post over here once in a while, and I usually make it clear right off the bat > my dream camera is the D850 (in spite of the fact I'm kind of stuck with Canon for the time being)

Now, my primary concern / goals, are to make really BIG but of course, aesthetically pleasing prints, that can be pixel peeped from 6 inches. To that end, I really have no choice but to stitch images, especially with my old (beloved) dinosaur, the Canon 6D.... but even if I could afford a D850, 46mp's is not even close to what I want either (100-300+mp's) so Id still be having to stitch to make big enough images anyway. Granted, it would take fewer images, which might be a little less work.... But not much, as Id still have to go through all the same steps. Maybe Id just be doing more 3 x 4's instead of 6 x 8's ?

Anyway, this morning I started looking more closely at 100% crops from the D850, and I hate to say it, but I'm not terribly impressed. Yes, I totally get the part about how they compare to other smaller MP camera when sized down, but that is not really important for my purposes. I was actually surprised at how well the pixels of my 7yr old 6D looked at 100% compared to the D850 ?

Let's not kid ourselves :^) You could pile up four or five 6D shots on the same area and not get near as clean as a D850:


Imaging Resource

The 6D is fine for fashion, not so much for landscape with a fairly heavy AA (blur) filter as shown. The only way you can get a bad looking picture out of a D850 is to oversharpen it. You also don't need to bracket like you would with the Canon. The fewer pano panels the better.

Just to warn of misleading comparisons. There is a guy who goes around here using exactly the same comparison to show that a micro Four Thirds camera produces sharper images than a D5. This particular part of the IR test chard is completely bogus. Why? They have two different scale calculators, you can see by the different colour, that isn't white balance or rendering, it's two different items one of which is cream coloured, the other is white. The cream one has a little mark at 6 o'clock, which is absent on the white one (if you'd shown the whole of the white one). The white one has much sharper printing than the cream one.

Essentially, if anyone uses this comparison, it's ten to a dozen, they're trying to pull a fast one.

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