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Hey i am looking at getting a backdrop and backdrop stand for my home studio.

I just wanted some adivce on backdrop material. I have read lots about pros and cons and have decided on getting a few variations of backdrops but nor 100% if i am going in to the right direction.

I am interested in muslin, vinyl and seamles paper.

I will do allot of low key and high key but also your mids for portraits.

To get the collection started i am considering to get:

Seamless white paper or vinyl for high key

Black muslin for high key (less reflection)

I do want to use dogs/pets in some shoot so i am leaning towards vinyl but i dont know how sturdy vinyl is to claws/ high heels. Is it like your think material?

I also read muslin backdrops are not good for models to stand on (for full bay shots) so that is putting me off a little.

I like the paper rolls because of no crease and you can cut it to reset whitch i like but also dislike because it has to be replaced whitch makes me lean towards vinyl whitch can be cleaned and ahould be more sturdy but i am a bit wooried for low key black where i mite just get the black muslin to be less reflective.

Sorry i mite be repeating my self once or twice but thats what i jave been thinking.

Any suggestions for each colour?

Just for a side info. I am considering getting this backdrop support.


I know i should go for c stands but i need to budget for now.
 
I can tell you what i do and what I like.

Fist off, lighting if you want to retain a white background you must light it (if you did not know) if you did sorry to assume... It will be grey and potentially black otherwise

I only use white paper cause I make it it look white, grey and black depending on lighting or flash and I use nikon speed lights with pock wizards flex system.

I use a Lastolight collapsible background and Wescott also has options. I use a C-Stand with a Lastolight magnetic holder to hold that background, I think 5 x 6 foot

I have other reflectors I use with my headshots and portraits with arms should I be working alone and not have an assistant.

Search YouTube for great videos or google first etc.

I have to think about transporting stuff is why I did what I did.

Past that be sure to get elephant clamp for your roll paper or it will unravel.

You also have a system I think from Bogen that is a chain and pulley system to raise and lower multiple backgrounds if you are in a studio that is more permanent
 
Muslin is a pain at the best of times - I've ditched my black and white ones, and only keep some patterns (which are kind of out of date now), deliberately scrunched so that they don't show fold marks and don't need ironing. They're textured as it were.

Collapsible backgrounds work pretty well to remove the creases, though not always completely. They'll work better from a distance from your subject, than right close to them. I have a 5'x6' black and white one (black one side...) that is good for mobile uses, and a 5'x7' one with white bricks one side and mottled grey on the other.

I love paper, though it isn't totally immune to creasing and can be tricky to take down (especially the 8' widths). I have white and thunder grey. Thunder grey does pretty much any colour from white to black depending on how you light it. Very classy colour.

I've never tried vinyl. I like the idea of it, but its pretty expensive.

Would love to try the new heavy canvases from Westcott, or one of the higher end manufacturers. These look amazing.

Rich
 
I've always preferred paper seamless. It's your cheapest and easiest option. If you're careful with it, and aren't creating large sets, it should last a fairly long time.

You didn't mention how much space you'll have to hang it. If you've got the space, definitely go for the 8 foot instead of the 5 foot roll.
 
Muslin is a pain at the best of times - I've ditched my black and white ones, and only keep some patterns (which are kind of out of date now), deliberately scrunched so that they don't show fold marks and don't need ironing. They're textured as it were.
Collapsible backgrounds work pretty well to remove the creases, though not always completely. They'll work better from a distance from your subject, than right close to them. I have a 5'x6' black and white one (black one side...) that is good for mobile uses, and a 5'x7' one with white bricks one side and mottled grey on the other.
I do like the pattern on some of them collapsible backgrounds and i am deffenatly considering them for mobile use depending on what type of shots i need because of the BG size i will need.
I love paper, though it isn't totally immune to creasing and can be tricky to take down (especially the 8' widths). I have white and thunder grey. Thunder grey does pretty much any colour from white to black depending on how you light it. Very classy colour.
I habe been considering the thunder grey paper roll and use differe types of lighting to change the look.

So far i jave bee using white walls and a black sheet for my affects but never used gray and was just wondering how well it would work?

I guess i would just have to speed up the shutter and uppen the power for on the symtrobes on the model for low key but will i need much much more power to turn the gray backgroud white for high key comparing to a white BG?
I've never tried vinyl. I like the idea of it, but its pretty expensive.
Yea i like the idea of it (especiall for more messy shoots) and if it lasts a long time i think it would be a good investment.
Would love to try the new heavy canvases from Westcott, or one of the higher end manufacturers. These look amazing.

Rich
 
Hey i am looking at getting a backdrop and backdrop stand for my home studio.

I just wanted some adivce on backdrop material. I have read lots about pros and cons and have decided on getting a few variations of backdrops but nor 100% if i am going in to the right direction.

I am interested in muslin, vinyl and seamles paper.

I will do allot of low key and high key but also your mids for portraits.

To get the collection started i am considering to get:

Seamless white paper or vinyl for high key

Black muslin for high key (less reflection)

I do want to use dogs/pets in some shoot so i am leaning towards vinyl but i dont know how sturdy vinyl is to claws/ high heels. Is it like your think material?

I also read muslin backdrops are not good for models to stand on (for full bay shots) so that is putting me off a little.

I like the paper rolls because of no crease and you can cut it to reset whitch i like but also dislike because it has to be replaced whitch makes me lean towards vinyl whitch can be cleaned and ahould be more sturdy but i am a bit wooried for low key black where i mite just get the black muslin to be less reflective.

Sorry i mite be repeating my self once or twice but thats what i jave been thinking.

Any suggestions for each colour?

Just for a side info. I am considering getting this backdrop support.

http://www.photo-shop-studio.com.au...eavy-duty-background-support-kit-2-6m-x-3-2m/

I know i should go for c stands but i need to budget for now.
I shoot almost exclusively on location and I've used x-drops and collapsible backgrounds as well as a 10'x12' black muslin. I like the simple look of a white background and recently bought a $25 roll of white seamless paper (53"x36', I think) to give a whitish background and floor and I do like using paper so far. My biggest problem has been that 53" is NOT very wide if you want full-body shots of taller children or restless children of any size (I had both yesterday). Yes, you can Photoshop the sides to extend your background, but I'd rather not have to do that very often. So, I'm buying a roll of 107" paper next. (Still not prohibitively expensive (about $50), and a roll of 36' should last quite a while if I take good care of it and don't have too many accidents. The paper is pretty sturdy.)

Even the 53" width was sort of a pain to raise and unroll by myself, but part of that was probably due to my inexperience. I'm not looking forward to trying to work 107" by myself, but if I have to I'll ask a parent for a little help at that point.

I do have a couple smaller vinyl backdrops - 5'x7' white and gray. Nice for babies or headshots. Unfortunately the gray roll has a repeating horizontal wrinkle caused by the way the manufacturer taped the vinyl to the roll, so even vinyl can have problems. Depending on how the 107" paper does, I can imagine buying a white 9'x10' or even 20' vinyl at some point. The paper is so inexpensive though, that I'm not sure that a large vinyl backdrop is worth the extra cost.

I've seen some interesting videos showing how versatile a gray backdrop can be. Here's one example.

I still like having a black background for headshots and portraits as I can work in smaller locations and not have to worry too much about keeping light off.

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I can tell you what i do and what I like.

Fist off, lighting if you want to retain a white background you must light it (if you did not know) if you did sorry to assume... It will be grey and potentially black otherwise
Yea that is why i was considering white to have an easyer time to keep it white using less flash power compared a to gray but then again i havent used gray before so i am not shure if my thought is warrent and just go with a 18% gray and use it for low and high key.
I only use white paper cause I make it it look white, grey and black depending on lighting or flash and I use nikon speed lights with pock wizards flex system.

I use a Lastolight collapsible background and Wescott also has options. I use a C-Stand with a Lastolight magnetic holder to hold that background, I think 5 x 6 foot

I have other reflectors I use with my headshots and portraits with arms should I be working alone and not have an assistant.
I did consder getting a big colapsible background and also use it as a big reflector when needed.

I will have to check out the sizes and see if it covers as to what i need
Search YouTube for great videos or google first etc.

I have to think about transporting stuff is why I did what I did.

Past that be sure to get elephant clamp for your roll paper or it will unravel.

You also have a system I think from Bogen that is a chain and pulley system to raise and lower multiple backgrounds if you are in a studio that is more permanent
Will deffenatly get a chain pully based background down the track but at this stage i go with mobility. Plus i am renting so i cant put holes in to the wall.
 
Hey i am looking at getting a backdrop and backdrop stand for my home studio.

I just wanted some adivce on backdrop material. I have read lots about pros and cons and have decided on getting a few variations of backdrops but nor 100% if i am going in to the right direction.

I am interested in muslin, vinyl and seamles paper.

I will do allot of low key and high key but also your mids for portraits.

To get the collection started i am considering to get:

Seamless white paper or vinyl for high key

Black muslin for high key (less reflection)

I do want to use dogs/pets in some shoot so i am leaning towards vinyl but i dont know how sturdy vinyl is to claws/ high heels. Is it like your think material?

I also read muslin backdrops are not good for models to stand on (for full bay shots) so that is putting me off a little.

I like the paper rolls because of no crease and you can cut it to reset whitch i like but also dislike because it has to be replaced whitch makes me lean towards vinyl whitch can be cleaned and ahould be more sturdy but i am a bit wooried for low key black where i mite just get the black muslin to be less reflective.

Sorry i mite be repeating my self once or twice but thats what i jave been thinking.

Any suggestions for each colour?

Just for a side info. I am considering getting this backdrop support.

http://www.photo-shop-studio.com.au...eavy-duty-background-support-kit-2-6m-x-3-2m/

I know i should go for c stands but i need to budget for now.
I can highly recommend the lastolite popup backdrops. They make them with a train as well. Easy to get up and down quickly, and double sided means you can get black and white and switch easily.
 
a pretty standard commercial set we used was white paper + white perspex on the floor. just pop the tail of the paper under the prespex & your done.

Easy to clean & you paper lasts forever since no one ever stands on it.
 
There are some good Youtube videos on how to light and also the Creative Live site is helpful as well
 
Hey i am looking at getting a backdrop and backdrop stand for my home studio.

I just wanted some adivce on backdrop material. I have read lots about pros and cons and have decided on getting a few variations of backdrops but nor 100% if i am going in to the right direction.

I am interested in muslin, vinyl and seamles paper.

I will do allot of low key and high key but also your mids for portraits.

To get the collection started i am considering to get:

Seamless white paper or vinyl for high key

Black muslin for high key (less reflection)

I do want to use dogs/pets in some shoot so i am leaning towards vinyl but i dont know how sturdy vinyl is to claws/ high heels. Is it like your think material?

I also read muslin backdrops are not good for models to stand on (for full bay shots) so that is putting me off a little.

I like the paper rolls because of no crease and you can cut it to reset whitch i like but also dislike because it has to be replaced whitch makes me lean towards vinyl whitch can be cleaned and ahould be more sturdy but i am a bit wooried for low key black where i mite just get the black muslin to be less reflective.

Sorry i mite be repeating my self once or twice but thats what i jave been thinking.

Any suggestions for each colour?

Just for a side info. I am considering getting this backdrop support.

http://www.photo-shop-studio.com.au...eavy-duty-background-support-kit-2-6m-x-3-2m/

I know i should go for c stands but i need to budget for now.
I can highly recommend the lastolite popup backdrops. They make them with a train as well. Easy to get up and down quickly, and double sided means you can get black and white and switch easily.
Thank you for the recommendation and mentioning the onside black and the other side white part. That would be perfect for head shot/half body portraits without having to carry to much gear.

I had a look a the Lastolite popup backdrops with the train and they are very tempting, only the cost is a bit high ($565.00AU+shipping). Could get 2 C-stands and a backdrop mount for them plus a backdrop.

I am definitely considering the normal popup backdrop though. They look very handy.

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Hey i am looking at getting a backdrop and backdrop stand for my home studio.

I just wanted some adivce on backdrop material. I have read lots about pros and cons and have decided on getting a few variations of backdrops but nor 100% if i am going in to the right direction.

I am interested in muslin, vinyl and seamles paper.

I will do allot of low key and high key but also your mids for portraits.

To get the collection started i am considering to get:

Seamless white paper or vinyl for high key
Both are good. Your models can stand on the vinyl without wrinkling it and it can be cleaned.

With paper use either a 3/8" clear acrylic or white plastic sheet on top the paper to keep it clean and to make seamless white backgrounds (see below) easy to get. Plexiglas is just an expensive brand name, not better than the cheaper acrylic sheets you can get at home improvement stores or from sign maker shops.
Black muslin for high key (less reflection)
You can use black paper with a clear or black acrylic sheet but you might have to flag the background to eliminate reflections.

Go for black velvet instead. It doesn't wrinkle like muslin and it is blacker but you may have a problem finding it wider than about 65".

Duvotyne is the extremely black cloth developed by the movie industry.

Amazon.com - Duvetyne Black Commando Cloth 56" x 15ft
I do want to use dogs/pets in some shoot so i am leaning towards vinyl but i dont know how sturdy vinyl is to claws/ high heels. Is it like your think material?

I also read muslin backdrops are not good for models to stand on (for full bay shots) so that is putting me off a little.
Wrinkles up under the feet and winds up hiding part of the foot or shoe. It is also a slip hazard. I have used muslin with a clear acrylic sheet but I am getting away from it in favor of velvet.


I like the paper rolls because of no crease and you can cut it to reset whitch i like but also dislike because it has to be replaced whitch makes me lean towards vinyl whitch can be cleaned and ahould be more sturdy but i am a bit wooried for low key black where i mite just get the black muslin to be less reflective.

Sorry i mite be repeating my self once or twice but thats what i jave been thinking.

Any suggestions for each colour?

Just for a side info. I am considering getting this backdrop support.

http://www.photo-shop-studio.com.au...eavy-duty-background-support-kit-2-6m-x-3-2m/

I know i should go for c stands but i need to budget for now.
If you are doing standing full length portraits, especially if you can't get 15' from the subject, then you want a 9' wide background. If you shoot head shots or head and shoulders from 15', which you should for portraits of humans, then you can get by with a background 65" wide.

Ken Rockwell | Portrait Lenses

For seamless white the best tutorial is the one below by Zack Arias. One thing I disagree with him on is about how much to overexpose the background. You want to overexpose the background as little as possible while making it pure white in camera.

Set your camera to the subject exposure and turn on the Highlight Alert. Start with a low power setting for your background lights and take test shots as you slowly increase the power of the background lights. The Highlight Alert will show you when the background is just barely overexposed and how even the lighting is. You want even lighting that is no more than 1/3 of a stop overexposed. Even if you only get a halo around the subject you can easily and quickly paint the edges and corners pure white in post.

If you try to overexpose the floor with lighting you will also overexpose the subject's feet. By using a low camera angle the shiny acrylic sheet on the floor will reflect the overexposed background and the floor will go pure white, allowing you to light the subject separately to the floor. The reflection of the subject also looks better than a shadow.

Zack Arias - Lighting White Seamless Pt. 1 - YouTube

Zack Arias - Lighting White Seamless Pt. 2 - YouTube

Here is another tutorial on shooting seamless white.

Bobby Deal - The Pixel Perfect Isolation - Shooting the Pure White Background - Real Deal Photo

If you don't want a reflection of the subject you can use vinyl or paper without the acrylic sheet but you can't get a pure white floor without overexposing the feet too. You have to make the floor pure white in post. Here is how to do it but be warned, Bobby Deal is a glamour photographer so some images may not be suitable for work.

Bobby Deal - Cleaning up the Pixel Perfect Isolation Part 1 - Real Deal Photo

Bobby Deal - Cleaning up the Pixel Perfect Isolation Part 2 - Real Deal Photo

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Made to measure roller blinds are available in many colours. Translucent is good for white if you light it from behind. Add car spray paint if you want to make them cloudy. They stay flat when unrolled (no creases) and store easily when rolled up. Another good thing, they are not expensive.
 
I habe been considering the thunder grey paper roll and use differe types of lighting to change the look.

So far i jave bee using white walls and a black sheet for my affects but never used gray and was just wondering how well it would work?

I guess i would just have to speed up the shutter and uppen the power for on the symtrobes on the model for low key but will i need much much more power to turn the gray backgroud white for high key comparing to a white BG?
These were all taken with the thunder grey backdrop. I've taken a section from the left of the subject in each case. The subject was properly exposed in each case (though the black wasn't really a suitable lighting set up for the subject).



Lit subject only with a pair of gridded strip boxes through 200ws strobes at 1/2 power

Lit subject only with a pair of gridded strip boxes through 200ws strobes at 1/2 power



Main light only - large softbox lighting the subject overhead.

Main light only - large softbox lighting the subject overhead.



Subject lit with same large softbox as above, plus pair of strips on the background at full power (200ws).

Subject lit with same large softbox as above, plus pair of strips on the background at full power (200ws).
 
I can highly recommend the lastolite popup backdrops. They make them with a train as well. Easy to get up and down quickly, and double sided means you can get black and white and switch easily.
Thank you for the recommendation and mentioning the onside black and the other side white part. That would be perfect for head shot/half body portraits without having to carry to much gear.

I had a look a the Lastolite popup backdrops with the train and they are very tempting, only the cost is a bit high ($565.00AU+shipping). Could get 2 C-stands and a backdrop mount for them plus a backdrop.

I am definitely considering the normal popup backdrop though. They look very handy.
Westcott make some too. Not sure of price in AU$, but they're cheaper here than the Lastolite ones.
 
Hey i am looking at getting a backdrop and backdrop stand for my home studio.

I just wanted some adivce on backdrop material. I have read lots about pros and cons and have decided on getting a few variations of backdrops but nor 100% if i am going in to the right direction.

I am interested in muslin, vinyl and seamles paper.

I will do allot of low key and high key but also your mids for portraits.

To get the collection started i am considering to get:

Seamless white paper or vinyl for high key

Black muslin for high key (less reflection)

I do want to use dogs/pets in some shoot so i am leaning towards vinyl but i dont know how sturdy vinyl is to claws/ high heels. Is it like your think material?

I also read muslin backdrops are not good for models to stand on (for full bay shots) so that is putting me off a little.

I like the paper rolls because of no crease and you can cut it to reset whitch i like but also dislike because it has to be replaced whitch makes me lean towards vinyl whitch can be cleaned and ahould be more sturdy but i am a bit wooried for low key black where i mite just get the black muslin to be less reflective.

Sorry i mite be repeating my self once or twice but thats what i jave been thinking.

Any suggestions for each colour?

Just for a side info. I am considering getting this backdrop support.

http://www.photo-shop-studio.com.au...eavy-duty-background-support-kit-2-6m-x-3-2m/

I know i should go for c stands but i need to budget for now.
I can highly recommend the lastolite popup backdrops. They make them with a train as well. Easy to get up and down quickly, and double sided means you can get black and white and switch easily.
Thank you for the recommendation and mentioning the onside black and the other side white part. That would be perfect for head shot/half body portraits without having to carry to much gear.

I had a look a the Lastolite popup backdrops with the train and they are very tempting, only the cost is a bit high ($565.00AU+shipping). Could get 2 C-stands and a backdrop mount for them plus a backdrop.

I am definitely considering the normal popup backdrop though. They look very handy.
 
Thank you for the good replay like always :)

I think i mite go with either (or both) Acrylic and the Paper roll with the acrylic floor.



I was just wondering, because of the reflective nature of acrylic wouldn't i get allot of issues with unwanted reflections from around the studio? but i defiantly like the idea of using a different material on the floor to the backdrop.

I will deffinatlyl check out the tutorials, i have been watching allot of videos on kelby one but it would be good to get some more learning sources for very specific tasks.

I was going to get a white and a Black to get started but even tempted to get a storm Gray. I think they look great for heads and shoulder portraits especial with adding colour using gel.

Apart from cost, would there be a good reason to not go with vinyl?
 
I've always preferred paper seamless. It's your cheapest and easiest option. If you're careful with it, and aren't creating large sets, it should last a fairly long time.

You didn't mention how much space you'll have to hang it. If you've got the space, definitely go for the 8 foot instead of the 5 foot roll.
 
Thank you for the good replay like always :)

I think i mite go with either (or both) Acrylic and the Paper roll with the acrylic floor.

I was just wondering, because of the reflective nature of acrylic wouldn't i get allot of issues with unwanted reflections from around the studio?
No.

Because of the camera is directly in front of the background what you see reflected in the acrylic plastic sheet is the background. The subject positioned on the acrylic sheet will also show a reflection instead of a shadow.

The acrylic sheet really works well for seamless white. I recommend using it with either paper or fabric backgrounds.

With black the acrylic sheet works but you do get a reflection of the subject which you don't always want. Black fabric can be less reflective than paper or vinyl but it bunches up under the feet even if taped to the floor. I really don't know of a perfect black background for standing portraits.
but i defiantly like the idea of using a different material on the floor to the backdrop.

I will deffinatlyl check out the tutorials, i have been watching allot of videos on kelby one but it would be good to get some more learning sources for very specific tasks.

I was going to get a white and a Black to get started but even tempted to get a storm Gray. I think they look great for heads and shoulder portraits especial with adding colour using gel.

Apart from cost, would there be a good reason to not go with vinyl?
Vinyl is heavy so you need to make sure your supports are strong enough.

Don't get carried away with trying lots and lots of things if you are just learning portraiture. That is the quickest way to get lost and lose interest.

Start with a simple white background, the subject 6' from the background, and a single light with a mid-sized diffuser. Stay as close to 15' from the subject as possible to eliminate distortion.

Ken Rockwell | Portrait Lenses

I recommend either a reflection white umbrella (with a removable black backing so you can use it in shoot through mode) about 43" in size or a softbox/octabox of about that same size.

A diffuser in the 43" range is perfect for head shots to thigh up portraits. If you want a standing portrait you will get some light fall off toward the feet, which isn't a bad thing. Use the diffuser at subject to diffuser distances between 1 and 2 times the diagonal/diameter for the best combination of softness and light fall off across the subject.

Here is a tutorial on how to do portraiture with only one light.

Digital Photography Review - Thomas Park - The One-Light Studio

Learn loop lighting first. Short lighting narrows the face and body and is flattering so it is usually what is used. Broad lighting widens the features so it is best reserved for subjects with thin faces and bodies.

Broad and Short loop lighting examples are shown in this link.

Portrait Lighting - Project 3 - Portrait Lighting Set-Ups

When you start portraiture you need to practice, practice, practice. You do this so you will learn what changing a light's position or the model's pose can do to the lighting.

Rembrandt lighting is a variation on loop lighting. Sometimes I say that the difference between short loop lighting and Rembrandt lighting is 1". This video shows exactly that.

Clay Blackmore - How to Find Rembrandt Lighting When Posing Portraits - YouTube

Get a cheap hair dresser's practice head or buy a cheap mannequin someplace like Amazon or eBay. The skin should be matte, not shiny. They are great for practice since they can keep a pose forever without complaining.

Here is a shot of my Patience, taken right after I bought her, when I was trying split lighting using my North facing sliding glass doors as the light source. The catchlights were painted on when I bought her but later I used fingernail polish to paint over them with black and to coat the eyes with clear so that I would get real catchlights.



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Denny manufacturing makes a nice black cloth backdrop . Right now I cannot remember the name of it but it is almost like thick velvet but not velvet. I have had mine over 20 years. They do have a website but they are not cheap. If you consider it’s a well made backdrop and will last an extremely long time you might decide it’s worth it.


This image was photographed on the Denny Manufacturing Black background

I just went to their website and they have a black suede backdrop.

https://www.dennymfg.com/black-suede-backdrop/BackDropDetail/7850

Not sure that’s what I have but it looks good. Mine might be called velveteen but I did not find it on their site.

They have another alternative as well for black.

https://www.dennymfg.com/photo-black/BackDropDetail/7849

I have two paper rolls up on my ceiling besides the black cloth.

One is White paper and the other is Gray. I can use Gels to change color as well.


Of course this is an example of White Paper. I had to shoot this very quickly because he does not like to sit still. He is a very high energy dog.

The camera information here is incorrect. For some reason when this image was uploaded as well as some others incorrect information was tagged on the image.


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