Apple's Safari 4 Reload Button Lunacy

[rattymouse]

I knew society was getting lazier and lazier but this takes the cake. It's a two inch move with one finger on my track pad from the left to the right side of my menu bar. A bit more work with a mouse but, seriously, is that much exercise going to make your day longer???

There are legitimate things you could complain about, like the missing status bar or the impression that "top sites" seems to suck my internet connection updating pages for no useful reason (so I don't use it!). This reload issue cracks me up. Are our legs being pulled here?

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You completely miss the point. My own personal reason is that left and right moves on the mouse cause much more wrist pain than up and down movements. Since my mouse is almost always on the left side, it is far far better for me to have all buttons on one side. I try very hard to reduce my mousing so that wrist problems dont get worse.

I seriously doubt anyone is too lazy to move their mouse over a few inches. That is far far too simplistic thinking on your part.

Further, there is no tangible benefit to having the reload button on the right.

For this reason I've dropped using Safari and have moved onto Firefox 3.5. I've been with Safari from the beginning and dropping it was not an easy decision. I've spent a good day learning and configuring it to replicate Safari as much as I could. On my ancient Mac, Firefox 3.5 is much faster than Safari 4.0 was so thats a nice bonus even though I was not looking for more speed. I just want a user interface that works FOR me and NOT against me.

 

[Jeff Charles]

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I seriously doubt anyone is too lazy to move their mouse over a few inches. That is far far too simplistic thinking on your part.
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In Firefox, sometimes I click Google Toolbar search a second time, instead of moving the cursor an inch to the Back button to return to my search results. Packets travel thousands of miles through who knows how may servers to save me one inch of mouse travel. That's lazy.

Jeff

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[Stephenbw]

What is it about the reload arrow? It's right there at the end of the URL.

If you want it closer to the left, you can click and drag the division between the URL and the Google window, thus making the URL window shorter.
How hard is it to click it when you want to reload?
To be honest I don't even recall when it was moved. I just click it.
You need to exercise more.

Exactly, that's what I did and my reload button is in the centre of the screen directly under the camera. After using Safari for 7 years and IE at work for longer than that, it took me all of 10 minutes to get used to the new reload button

What I don't understand is how anyone's could be at the far right of the screen; where is their Google bar?

 

[Dayo]

What I don't understand is how anyone's could be at the far right of the screen; where is their Google bar?

... how you came to the conclusion anyone said it is at the far right of the screen ... care to cut and paste?

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[funnelwebmaster]

i had said far right of the address bar. there's still a google bar to the right of that. so the reload button is now at the junction of the right middle fourth and far right fourth of the top of the screen.
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[noirdesir]

In Firefox, sometimes I click Google Toolbar search a second time, instead of moving the cursor an inch to the Back button to return to my search results. Packets travel thousands of miles through who knows how may servers to save me one inch of mouse travel. That's lazy.

If you are going to type something anyway, how hard is it to hit cmd-[ or cmd-T (to create a new tab loading Google that you have set as your homepage)?

 

[Stephenbw]

What I don't understand is how anyone's could be at the far right of the screen; where is their Google bar?

... how you came to the conclusion anyone said it is at the far right of the screen ... care to cut and paste?

A happy Firefox user

My mistake, I was paraphrasing after reading comments like:

"What Apple has done is chopped one of them off and moved it to the other extreme end "

"So rather than go to one side of the browser to do certain things as I have become accustomed to over the past 15 or so years, I now do some of them on one side and have to sweep across to do one on the other ."

"and so moving it all the way over right again is not a intuitive thing for a reload."

As I say I honestly can't see what the problem is; the Google search bar, which includes the 'recent search' and the 'snapback' buttons are all to the right of the reload button, as are, currently, 6 out of 11 tabbed windows and I use them all far more often than I do the reload button.

 

[Stephenbw]

I forgot the 'New Tab' button which is also further right than the reload button

 

[Robert Peters]

Nope. The "new tab" button is wherever you place it.

I forgot the 'New Tab' button which is also further right than the reload button

 

[Stephenbw]

Nope. The "new tab" button is wherever you place it.

Thanks for that info, I hadn't realised there was a second 'new tab' button in addition to the permanent one at the right of the window.

I'll now use the one on the right when I'm opening a new tab and then typing in the Google search bar and the optional one I've placed on the left when I'm opening a bookmark from my folder.

 

[digicaman2]

Yes, it is nice to be able to "customize" the view, no?

So, the question remains.......

Why not be able to customize were the reload button is?

Nope. The "new tab" button is wherever you place it.

Thanks for that info, I hadn't realised there was a second 'new tab' button in addition to the permanent one at the right of the window.

I'll now use the one on the right when I'm opening a new tab and then typing in the Google search bar and the optional one I've placed on the left when I'm opening a bookmark from my folder.

 

[rattymouse]

Yes, it is nice to be able to "customize" the view, no?

So, the question remains.......

Why not be able to customize were the reload button is?

Because Apple does not want you doing that.

 

[Stephenbw]

Yes, it is nice to be able to "customize" the view, no?

So, the question remains.......

Why not be able to customize were the reload button is?

Yes, 'nice' but not essential or worth getting worked up about.

Although I have managed perfectly well until now with just one 'new tab' button I'm sure I will adapt to having two in no time at all; just as I did when the tabs moved to the top and then back to their original position and just as I did to the new 'reload' button in, imo, the perfect position; slap bang in the centre of my toolbar.

 

[Jeff Charles]

In Firefox, sometimes I click Google Toolbar search a second time, instead of moving the cursor an inch to the Back button to return to my search results. Packets travel thousands of miles through who knows how may servers to save me one inch of mouse travel. That's lazy.

If you are going to type something anyway, how hard is it to hit cmd-[ or cmd-T (to create a new tab loading Google that you have set as your homepage)?

That would get me a new search page, not take me back to my search results. Recently, I have been trying OmniWeb and using Cocoa Suite to enable mouse gestures. I've defined gestures for page back, page forward, close/open toolbars, and close/open tab bar. Works well.

Jeff

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