Any S1R mark 2 in the pipe?

[georgehudetz]

I doubt if there will be any succesor of the S1R.

Panasonic stopped releasing Pro lenses years ago.

They canceled the Pro Service in Europe.

Looking at the Firmware updates, there is also not much love for the S1R.

Before a new S1RII there will be a S1H II I think.

People want small cameras with small light lenses.

Well, it's interesting with the Pro lenses. It's unclear whether they thought there was no market for it of simply waited to first have bodies.

What's clear is that they prioritized first their line of affordable. video-friendly f1.8 primes. This was probably also very smart, there is a lot of chatter about that in all S5ii video about how smart those are and good quality for the price (no breathing, same form factor, same filter threads, weather sealed, light...). Their existing pro zooms cover everything most film makers would need from 16-200mm.

I am really curious as well to see whether they will release anything beyond low to mid-range zooms or very video-centric lenses. My guess would be it's not very high priority for them. All that could change of course if the new bodies sell really well, because that would immediately increase demand for such lenses again.

Well, they are suggesting that we will see "rapid progress" of the LUMIX lineup in the future, so I respectfully hope you are wrong.

I remember the period when FUJI emphasized created a series of small, light primes. Once they met that goal, they then proceeded to introduce some new, high performance zooms. Hopefully LUMIX will follow a similar pattern. We shall see!

As for S1R: just for 8k alone, they will need to have a higher res body. So whatever "S1" category camera they will release it will surely have more resolution.

 

[rickandkimie]

Won’t happen. Only new S1 will be S1H II.

 

[Strangefinder]

Hi there,

My question in the title... Maybe rumors or something but would be nice anyway if that would be.

Bravo Panasonic for upping its game.

What if there’s an S1R successor which, again, breaks IQ records and has beautiful rendering, but does not have PDAF?

I think it’s consistent with the concept of ultimate IQ, and certainly with many Lumix statements about balancing PDAF with IQ.

On the other hand, perhaps they can do both “no problem” at this point.

I think there’s a place for it, and I think there’s a place for commercially-sound low-volume models for these exotic variants (though, probably pricing me out.)

I’m assuming that everyone will desperately insist upon PDAF here on out, but we often get caught in these forum bubbles.

Personally, I think the “S5 models only” mindset is a bubble. Yes, S5s may be better for the high-volume entry model, but any other line is a boutique business at this point, anyway.

Then again, the Foveon FF (ETA 2025?) may be unbeatable for pure base-ISO IQ (in tonal gradation and chromatic description, if not megapixel resolution).

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[no reflex]

Hi there,

My question in the title... Maybe rumors or something but would be nice anyway if that would be.

Bravo Panasonic for upping its game.

What if there’s an S1R successor which, again, breaks IQ records and has beautiful rendering, but does not have PDAF?

I think it’s consistent with the concept of ultimate IQ, and certainly with many Lumix statements about balancing PDAF with IQ.

I wouldn‘t have a problem with a high res DFD camera, but I think Panasonic would want to avoid this „marketing problem“.

On the other hand, perhaps they can do both “no problem” at this point.

I think there’s a place for it, and I think there’s a place for commercially-sound low-volume models for these exotic variants (though, probably pricing me out.)

If you look at Leica such a IQ benchmark camera would fit there concept perfectly. They have there APO Summicron range of lenses almost finished.

There is a lecture by Peter Karbe, the former head of lens development of Leica, where he describes the design goals of the APO Summicrons. This was before the M11 was launched. He showed a graphic comparing 40mp (SL2, M10R resolution), 60mp (M11) and 100mp (SL3?).

Pure speculation ;-) but it would be a huge marketing statement for both companies to launch the first 100mp camera.

As much as I like the idea of a super high res camera, I think 8k has more importance for Leica and Lumix. So faster readout may be prioritized over high resolution.

I’m assuming that everyone will desperately insist upon PDAF here on out, but we often get caught in these forum bubbles.

Personally, I think the “S5 models only” mindset is a bubble. Yes, S5s may be better for the high-volume entry model, but any other line is a boutique business at this point, anyway.

Whatever it will be, I‘m sure we will see a „flagship“ model in a S1 type of body.

Then again, the Foveon FF (ETA 2025?) may be unbeatable for pure base-ISO IQ (in tonal gradation and chromatic description, if not megapixel resolution).

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“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.” Malcolm X
"If lies can begin wars then the truth can end them." Jx/xxn Xssxngx
“Remember that all through history, there have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they seem invincible. But in the end, they always fall. Always.” Gandhi

 

[Veggiedean DTP]

I think we will see a G9 and S1H replacement first. The GH6 is such a nice camera. If they added back in photo feature and phase detect auto focus in sub $1500 MFT, it would be a good seller. It would likely be an easy rollout for Panasonic too. The S1H replacement seems like where Panasonic could secure their place as top in video. They have put so much in the video lens it seams like the way to go. I think the S1R replacement will be in 2025 if it happens. Whatever they make will have to compete close to the Z9 replacement and probably a Canon R1 and whatever 5 Sony bodies come out, so they will have to be bold like the original S1R. It would awesome for them to make the flagship statement. After shooting Nikon and Canon recently, I know they can compete because there are so many little thing they do better. I think the difficult part is that people are locked in and it is had for them to switch. I do think they are doing the right think with the S5 to get sells and volume, then maybe they can justify a flagship camera. Even with the Leica agreement I think Panasonic will still desire a flagship. I am also hoping DJI/Hasselblad pop into the mix. DJI knows how to make some exciting, top quality products.

I was glad to see telephoto lens (still no fast UWA in my hands) on the road map since they like to roll out lenses with bodies. Maybe that is a good sign.

 

[Jamajuel]

I think we will see a G9 and S1H replacement first. The GH6 is such a nice camera. If they added back in photo feature and phase detect auto focus in sub $1500 MFT, it would be a good seller. It would likely be an easy rollout for Panasonic too. The S1H replacement seems like where Panasonic could secure their place as top in video. They have put so much in the video lens it seams like the way to go. I think the S1R replacement will be in 2025 if it happens. Whatever they make will have to compete close to the Z9 replacement and probably a Canon R1 and whatever 5 Sony bodies come out, so they will have to be bold like the original S1R. It would awesome for them to make the flagship statement. After shooting Nikon and Canon recently, I know they can compete because there are so many little thing they do better. I think the difficult part is that people are locked in and it is had for them to switch. I do think they are doing the right think with the S5 to get sells and volume, then maybe they can justify a flagship camera. Even with the Leica agreement I think Panasonic will still desire a flagship. I am also hoping DJI/Hasselblad pop into the mix. DJI knows how to make some exciting, top quality products.

I was glad to see telephoto lens (still no fast UWA in my hands) on the road map since they like to roll out lenses with bodies. Maybe that is a good sign.

 

[BaldEgo]

I think there will be a hi-res body coming. Otherwise, Panasonic would be the only mainstream FF camera manufacturer that does not have a hi-res offering.

Will it be an S1RII? S5IIR? Or maybe a Z9/A1 competitor? Don't know, but I'm hoping for an S5IIR. As much as I love my S1R.

How about a S5Rii with the S1/S1R three-way screen? That would certainly get my attention!

 

[Scottelly]

I doubt if there will be any succesor of the S1R.

Panasonic stopped releasing Pro lenses years ago.

They canceled the Pro Service in Europe.

Looking at the Firmware updates, there is also not much love for the S1R.

Before a new S1RII there will be a S1H II I think.

People want small cameras with small light lenses.

Well, it's interesting with the Pro lenses. It's unclear whether they thought there was no market for it of simply waited to first have bodies.

What's clear is that they prioritized first their line of affordable. video-friendly f1.8 primes. This was probably also very smart, there is a lot of chatter about that in all S5ii video about how smart those are and good quality for the price (no breathing, same form factor, same filter threads, weather sealed, light...). Their existing pro zooms cover everything most film makers would need from 16-200mm.

I am really curious as well to see whether they will release anything beyond low to mid-range zooms or very video-centric lenses. My guess would be it's not very high priority for them. All that could change of course if the new bodies sell really well, because that would immediately increase demand for such lenses again.

As for S1R: just for 8k alone, they will need to have a higher res body. So whatever "S1" category camera they will release it will surely have more resolution.

You don't know much about the Nikon Z9, do you? It does 8K quite well with a 45 MP sensor.

 

[Scottelly]

I doubt if they are going to rain on the S5ii parade - for a while at least.

I could see them introduce an S9, with a stacked version of the 47 MP sensor in the S1R, but with PDAF and 8K video capabilities . . . and they could introduce a pair of new PRO lenses with it, including a 135mm f1.4 and an 800mm f5.6 OIS. I think they should follow that introduction with a 105mm f1.2 PRO and a 600mm f4 OIS PRO. They would become known as the company with the biggest and best gear, though people would point at the f1.8 lenses, the S5 II, and the S5 II X, saying those aren't big, plus they would talk about how the L mount system has the smallest full-frame cameras in the World, and those little Sigma i series lenses too. Then Panasonic could introduce a new, small, rangefinder style camera, followed by a couple of small and light, cameras with stacked APS-C size sensors with PDAF (one with a 30 MP sensor and one with a 45 MP sensor, with 8K video capability).

 

[pdk42]

I doubt if they are going to rain on the S5ii parade - for a while at least.

I could see them introduce an S9, with a stacked version of the 47 MP sensor in the S1R, but with PDAF and 8K video capabilities . . . and they could introduce a pair of new PRO lenses with it, including a 135mm f1.4 and an 800mm f5.6 OIS. I think they should follow that introduction with a 105mm f1.2 PRO and a 600mm f4 OIS PRO. They would become known as the company with the biggest and best gear, though people would point at the f1.8 lenses, the S5 II, and the S5 II X, saying those aren't big, plus they would talk about how the L mount system has the smallest full-frame cameras in the World, and those little Sigma i series lenses too. Then Panasonic could introduce a new, small, rangefinder style camera, followed by a couple of small and light, cameras with stacked APS-C size sensors with PDAF (one with a 30 MP sensor and one with a 45 MP sensor, with 8K video capability).

I should write to them and see if they’ve got a vacancy in their product planning department !

 

[Jamajuel]

I doubt if there will be any succesor of the S1R.

Panasonic stopped releasing Pro lenses years ago.

They canceled the Pro Service in Europe.

Looking at the Firmware updates, there is also not much love for the S1R.

Before a new S1RII there will be a S1H II I think.

People want small cameras with small light lenses.

Well, it's interesting with the Pro lenses. It's unclear whether they thought there was no market for it of simply waited to first have bodies.

What's clear is that they prioritized first their line of affordable. video-friendly f1.8 primes. This was probably also very smart, there is a lot of chatter about that in all S5ii video about how smart those are and good quality for the price (no breathing, same form factor, same filter threads, weather sealed, light...). Their existing pro zooms cover everything most film makers would need from 16-200mm.

I am really curious as well to see whether they will release anything beyond low to mid-range zooms or very video-centric lenses. My guess would be it's not very high priority for them. All that could change of course if the new bodies sell really well, because that would immediately increase demand for such lenses again.

As for S1R: just for 8k alone, they will need to have a higher res body. So whatever "S1" category camera they will release it will surely have more resolution.

You don't know much about the Nikon Z9, do you? It does 8K quite well with a 45 MP sensor.

I would classify 45 MP as high res, so what’s your point?



If they released a S1x with a Z9 type sensor, it might not make much sense to have an S1R and S1H. Unless the bodies are differentiated materially

 

[Sheeno]

As for S1R: just for 8k alone, they will need to have a higher res body. So whatever "S1" category camera they will release it will surely have more resolution.

You don't know much about the Nikon Z9, do you? It does 8K quite well with a 45 MP sensor.

I would classify 45 MP as high res, so what’s your point?

If they released a S1x with a Z9 type sensor, it might not make much sense to have an S1R and S1H. Unless the bodies are differentiated materially

Looks like a breakdown in communication - with you using higher to mean "on the higher end of the spectrum" and them inferring it to mean "higher than the S1R's 47 MP".

More on topic, if we had an S1R with a PDAF sensor then I would be happy with that body for at least the next decade. My wishlist would be:

• Slightly smaller form factor - I like the S1R's heft a lot but have also got used to the smaller body of the S5, although it is a bit too small. The G9 has the ideal form factor, but I don't mind if it's a bit bigger than that (but no smaller!)
• Improved high ISO performance - a tough one to overcome on the hardware front I'm sure, but if it was in-line with how the S5 is now then that would be amazing. At the very least the gap between the S1R and the S5 ought to be narrowed a bit
• PDAF with decent animal subject recognition and eye tracking

I genuinely can't think of much else. It would be great if it had high-speed focus bracketing (using electronic shutter for maximum speed) like the OM1 series of Olympus cameras do (and the Canon R5), but that's a bit more of a niche request. I also prefer flip-out screens over tilt ones, but am happy with either.

 

[Jamajuel]

As for S1R: just for 8k alone, they will need to have a higher res body. So whatever "S1" category camera they will release it will surely have more resolution.

You don't know much about the Nikon Z9, do you? It does 8K quite well with a 45 MP sensor.

I would classify 45 MP as high res, so what’s your point?

If they released a S1x with a Z9 type sensor, it might not make much sense to have an S1R and S1H. Unless the bodies are differentiated materially

Looks like a breakdown in communication - with you using higher to mean "on the higher end of the spectrum" and them inferring it to mean "higher than the S1R's 47 MP".

yes, sorry, I wasn’t intending to sound snarky neither.

More on topic, if we had an S1R with a PDAF sensor then I would be happy with that body for at least the next decade. My wishlist would be:

• Slightly smaller form factor - I like the S1R's heft a lot but have also got used to the smaller body of the S5, although it is a bit too small. The G9 has the ideal form factor, but I don't mind if it's a bit bigger than that (but no smaller!)

For me it’s all about weight. If they can shave off 20% of weight, I happily take the same size

• Improved high ISO performance - a tough one to overcome on the hardware front I'm sure, but if it was in-line with how the S5 is now then that would be amazing. At the very least the gap between the S1R and the S5 ought to be narrowed a bit
• PDAF with decent animal subject recognition and eye tracking

yes pretty please!

I genuinely can't think of much else. It would be great if it had high-speed focus bracketing (using electronic shutter for maximum speed) like the OM1 series of Olympus cameras do (and the Canon R5), but that's a bit more of a niche request. I also prefer flip-out screens over tilt ones, but am happy with either.

I hope they would keep a tilt screen in such a hypothetical body.

Also, to contradict myself: it’s possible that they do a S1Hii with a stacked higher res sensor and a high res S1Rii with a non stacked sensor, similar to what Sony and Nikon do. But then I really don’t know what then do with a S1ii that would sit in between??

Regardless, my wishlist is practically the same as yours but coming from a S1 perspective

• PDAF
• lighter body
• higher res than 24MP
• Less rolling shutter
• faster shooting mechanical (10 fps is ok)
• tilt screen (or combo)

The reason I don’t buy a S5ii now is because even though I really would love to have PDAF, I don’t want to trade off the EVF and battery life. And IQ is the same so I really would only get PDAF (for stills at least)

 

[novalaker]

As for S1R: just for 8k alone, they will need to have a higher res body. So whatever "S1" category camera they will release it will surely have more resolution.

You don't know much about the Nikon Z9, do you? It does 8K quite well with a 45 MP sensor.

I would classify 45 MP as high res, so what’s your point?

If they released a S1x with a Z9 type sensor, it might not make much sense to have an S1R and S1H. Unless the bodies are differentiated materially

Looks like a breakdown in communication - with you using higher to mean "on the higher end of the spectrum" and them inferring it to mean "higher than the S1R's 47 MP".

More on topic, if we had an S1R with a PDAF sensor then I would be happy with that body for at least the next decade. My wishlist would be:

• Slightly smaller form factor - I like the S1R's heft a lot but have also got used to the smaller body of the S5, although it is a bit too small. The G9 has the ideal form factor, but I don't mind if it's a bit bigger than that (but no smaller!)
• Improved high ISO performance - a tough one to overcome on the hardware front I'm sure, but if it was in-line with how the S5 is now then that would be amazing. At the very least the gap between the S1R and the S5 ought to be narrowed a bit
• PDAF with decent animal subject recognition and eye tracking

I genuinely can't think of much else. It would be great if it had high-speed focus bracketing (using electronic shutter for maximum speed) like the OM1 series of Olympus cameras do (and the Canon R5), but that's a bit more of a niche request. I also prefer flip-out screens over tilt ones, but am happy with either.

This would pretty much be my perfect camera. I want a higher-res body but really like the Panasonic cameras I've used and hesitate to leave the brand. I'd be willing to get an S5ii and use the HR mode for now if I think there will be a higher-res body on the way, so I hope we get some rumors soon.

 

[Gale Wind]

I doubt that there'll be a new hi-res camera with the Lumix name on it. A new Leica SL is likely, but of course that'll be Leica money. Best buy an S1r now !

Panasonic will eventually produce an 8K camera, since Lumix is a "video" brand now. 8K video requires a high resolution sensor.