A6700 images soft?

Interesting you have both cameras.

I have Z 50 and am wondering if the A6700 would be better for fast flying subjects.

See post here:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4722835

Thanks

ANAYV
It's worth a look,
I am :)
it's fast to lock on and once it has it doesn't seem to miss, if you can keep them in or even right on the edge of the frame that is.
Sounds good.
Look for my other posts to a link to the full set.

Haven't been out with it much but in the short time I have used it it has been impressive
Note that these were all underexposed and bumped up 1.3ev in post which they handed remarkably well.
Should not be a problem these days...sensor are really good, as is the software ( waiting on DXO to update to convert the RAW files)
I have since discovered in Hi the EVF is realtime which makes it much easier to track fast subjects.
Reall time..but with blackout between shots?

How many fps with this mode and H+ ?
H+ it is not, and so it is hard if not impossible to track things like swallows for anything but the first two or three frames.
If it shows previous shot...I am OK with that ...shooying Barn/Tree Swallows..my Z 50 does this and I adjusted for it.

To me...its better than real time..with the blackout bwtween every shot.

I cant seem to adjust to that :(
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Oh wait, you mean birds...

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Excellent captures.

I was shooting both Barn Swallows and Terns last few weeks.

Keeps me on my toes :)

Thanks for your input and images

ANAYV
Hi is 7fps and H+ is 11fps.

Yes evf in Hi is realtime but with very brief blackout between shots. Usable for long (5sec) bursts.

H+ has a lot of lag - unusable for tracking imo unless subject path is very predictable.
 
Thanks for that, useful info. The swallows who visit our pool deffo aren't predictable enough for Hi+ then.

Cheers

Mike M
 
Nice images. Now I am wondering if I really need the A6700 or can the A6600 suffice for hundreds of $ less!
 
Nice images. Now I am wondering if I really need the A6700 or can the A6600 suffice for hundreds of $ less!
Any bad case scenario's: "wish I bought the a6700 after all" / "wish I spent less and simply gotten myself the a6600".

:-P
 
Nice images. Now I am wondering if I really need the A6700 or can the A6600 suffice for hundreds of $ less!
Define "suffice" :-D
 
Actually, I can't even see the point of keeping those two images never mind posting them. The 'birds' in the first image just look like smudges.
You can see why the 55-210 was one of the worst OEM lenses in this focal range regardless of maker or age - you can get sharp pics with it as the optics aren`t "soft" per se but it has to be under ideal conditions as the levels of halation CA and astigmatism are on all time high , even the old silver 18-200 was better and that`s saying something .

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Well by suffice I mean that is A6600 enough for me? The A6700 seems to be better at video (which I have yet to try) and for sports & wildlife. I have tried some wildlife shots with my Fujifilm X-T5 but not real successfully - mainly flying seagulls and bees.
 
Actually, I can't even see the point of keeping those two images never mind posting them. The 'birds' in the first image just look like smudges.
You can see why the 55-210 was one of the worst OEM lenses in this focal range regardless of maker or age - you can get sharp pics with it as the optics aren`t "soft" per se but it has to be under ideal conditions as the levels of halation CA and astigmatism are on all time high , even the old silver 18-200 was better and that`s saying something .
I can see that. But what I can't understand is why BackTo Nature1 posted those blurry images in defense of the 55-210mm lens, adding the comment that the lens wasn't as bad as folk made out?
 
Actually, I can't even see the point of keeping those two images never mind posting them. The 'birds' in the first image just look like smudges.
You can see why the 55-210 was one of the worst OEM lenses in this focal range regardless of maker or age - you can get sharp pics with it as the optics aren`t "soft" per se but it has to be under ideal conditions as the levels of halation CA and astigmatism are on all time high , even the old silver 18-200 was better and that`s saying something .
I can see that. But what I can't understand is why BackTo Nature1 posted those blurry images in defense of the 55-210mm lens, adding the comment that the lens wasn't as bad as folk made out?
I honestly haven`t got a clue David, his argument was "well you try taking swallows with a kit lens then" , of course none of us would, unless it was the 18-135 and they were very close by - I`d certainly not try to take them with the 55-210 which is horribly underdeveloped optically and hardly focuses fast ..
 
Actually, I can't even see the point of keeping those two images never mind posting them. The 'birds' in the first image just look like smudges.
You can see why the 55-210 was one of the worst OEM lenses in this focal range regardless of maker or age - you can get sharp pics with it as the optics aren`t "soft" per se but it has to be under ideal conditions as the levels of halation CA and astigmatism are on all time high , even the old silver 18-200 was better and that`s saying something .
I can see that. But what I can't understand is why BackTo Nature1 posted those blurry images in defense of the 55-210mm lens, adding the comment that the lens wasn't as bad as folk made out?
I honestly haven`t got a clue David, his argument was "well you try taking swallows with a kit lens then" , of course none of us would, unless it was the 18-135 and they were very close by - I`d certainly not try to take them with the 55-210 which is horribly underdeveloped optically and hardly focuses fast ..
 
I honestly haven`t got a clue David, his argument was "well you try taking swallows with a kit lens then"
Well, this is what I have been doing ..shooting Swallows...with a Kit lens ( Nikon Z 50-250mm):

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Better with the Sigma 100 to 400mm:

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This A6700 has me thinking of switching over.

Mmmm

ANAYV
Great skills!
 
I honestly haven`t got a clue David, his argument was "well you try taking swallows with a kit lens then"
Well, this is what I have been doing ..shooting Swallows...with a Kit lens ( Nikon Z 50-250mm):
yeah but its a Z Kit lens which means "Professional level but slow optics in a cheap plastic shell" ..... the plastic collapsible FF 24-50 F4-6.3 is knockout too corner to corner wideopen pixelpeeped on 46Mp .. so is the Z 16-50 on the Z50

and also it`s YOU ... you can get those kinda shots with a 20yr old superzoom compact and often have done :-)

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I honestly haven`t got a clue David, his argument was "well you try taking swallows with a kit lens then"
Well, this is what I have been doing ..shooting Swallows...with a Kit lens ( Nikon Z 50-250mm):

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Better with the Sigma 100 to 400mm:

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This A6700 has me thinking of switching over.

Mmmm

ANAYV
Great skills!
Thanks.

Still learning...but it starting to look like it might get easier if I switch to Sony.

I would get the A6700 and main lens for BIF would be 70-350mm.

ANAYV
 
I honestly haven`t got a clue David, his argument was "well you try taking swallows with a kit lens then"
Well, this is what I have been doing ..shooting Swallows...with a Kit lens ( Nikon Z 50-250mm):
yeah but its a Z Kit lens which means "Professional level but slow optics in a cheap plastic shell" ..... the plastic collapsible FF 24-50 F4-6.3 is knockout too corner to corner wideopen pixelpeeped on 46Mp .. so is the Z 16-50 on the Z50
I see
and also it`s YOU ... you can get those kinda shots with a 20yr old superzoom compact and often have done :-)
Hahaha..but I am still learning

ANAYV
 
and also it`s YOU ... you can get those kinda shots with a 20yr old superzoom compact and often have done :-)
Hahaha..but I am still learning
We all are , I`ve been in the Job full time for 35 years and I am too, everyday !! . It`s only when people think they know it all they fail..
 
Interesting you have both cameras.
I was just trying them out. I returned the Sony

TLDR;: Sometimes the look and feel, especially the feel, of a camera, is more important than the tech features.

Each of us has our own reasons when we choose which camera to buy. We have to ask what we are going to use it for. I’m not a pro or enthusiast. Even the “amateur” label would give me too much credit. Perhaps “casual amateur” would suit.

But this near octogenarian has always had a camera. My dad showed me how to develop and print pictures from my Brownie in our basement darkroom, then gifted me his Pentax Spotmatic when I graduated from high school. I had that Spotmatic (or a slightly updated model I acquired a few years later) most of my adult life, but never really got into photography as a serious hobby. Perhaps it wasn’t a priority to spend much time or money to buy film and send it out for processing.

But when the digital age came around photography got more interesting. I bought a Minolta A1 (I loved that camera) and when that died, I eventually ended up with a Sony NEX-6. That was a very good camera, until it got stolen on a trip to Italy six years ago. Since then I have made do with my phone camera, but I recently started wishing I had a real camera again.

No mistake, my iPhone 11 Pro does take great photos. (I’ve taken some photos that would be almost impossible to reproduce with a good camera and hours of editing with my limited skill set.)

But a real camera is a different experience. Shooting with a camera, especially looking through a viewfinder, causes one to take things a bit more seriously, to slow down, be more careful with composition. And the subject also may feel more of a need to focus, take a breath, center into their deeper being.

The philosopher Roland Barthes, in his extended essay on photography, Camera Lucida, equates the photograph with death. A photograph documents a frozen moment in time, a situation that will never be repeated, a death of a particular nowness. Just so a person being “shot” by a camera may feel something of a heightened experience of that moment that is being immortalized.

So I guess that’s why I wanted a good camera. Perhaps I won’t get that much practical use out of it but I want that sensual experience. I did a bunch of research, came up with a budget and had a video chat with a salesman at B&H photo. (Wow that is cool technology. Almost like being in a camera store, with the salesman setting the contenders down on the counter. It’s just that you can’t pick them up and look through the finder yourself.)

I settled on the Nikon Z50 with the two kit zooms, a wide angle and a telephoto. But the day after I ordered it, Sony announced the most recent successor to the NEX-6, the Alpha 6700. It was $200-300 US more than the Nikon and only came with one lens, but I thought if I could use my leftover NEX-6 55-210mm telephoto lens with it, I could barely meet my budget.

I am a sucker for new tech. The Sony has a five year newer design ( I had cringed at buying an expensive Nikon in 2023 with a horrid micro-USB charging port). The A6700 has IBIS, HEIC, USB-C, reportedly much better subject recognition and autofocus. Not to mention a higher resolution sensor, a zillion high-speed video formats I’ve never heard of and so on and so forth.

So I preordered it and when it came, I only had 3-4 days to shoot with it and decide which camera to send back, taking advantage of B&H’s very generous return policy (which I try to be careful not to abuse).

During my admittedly too-short testing period, I found that none of the Sony’s superior tech really mattered. I had out-of focus shots with both cameras. When I first took the Sony out of the box, I was disappointed with its boxy, industrial styling. I didn’t like the stick-out monitor. It’s a bit larger and heavier than the Nikon and just didn’t feel as comfortable in my hands. Most importantly, I had never liked the NEX-6 viewfinder, and Sony has not seen fit to improve it. I’m not talking about the resolution or magnification, but comfort. It’s just plain awkward and uncomfortable. The Nikon viewfinder is comfortable and invites you to use it. That’s a big deal for me.

So I was already leaning toward sending the Sony back when my companion pointed out that the hummingbird photos I shot with it were not as sharp as the Nikon’s. That’s when I posted sample photos in this forum, asking for help in diagnosing the softness. Thanks for all your helpful comments. When the culprit turned out to be my old telephoto zoom, it pretty much killed the deal. If I had to invest in a new telephoto zoom to take good photos (and a telephoto is one of the main reasons to graduate from a phone camera isn’t it?), it would break my budget big time. The lens recommended by people in this forum costs $900, two-thirds the price of my Nikon with its two good lenses.

So I carefully brushed any dust off the Sony, put it in its box and shipped it back. My credit card has already been credited with the return. Thanks B&H for a fantastic buying experience. I think I will be very happy with the Nikon.

One thing I will miss about the Sony— the smartphone interface. I like to use the phone app for remote shooting sometimes and the clumsy and unreliable WiFi Direct interface used by most cameras is not a good UX. The Sony lets you connect through the normal WiFi access point in your home or studio. Much more convenient, at least in my very limited testing.

Thanks again, folks.
 
Well I have both - have had the Z50 for a long time now and regret buying it I should have sent it back when I could.

Now the a6700 it is by far much better in most every way.

The Z50 for starters you can not use easy as a web cam as it has no USB power and the battery runs dead all the time when I use it.

Out shooting the battery runs dead on every outing shooting its to small.

No in body stabilization, Very poof focus system the a6700 is 1000 times better.

I do like the viewfinder better on the Z50 it seems sharper but thats about it. The Sony being over on the side is no problem.

Z50 also no headphone jack when shooting video. No 4k60 or any good video color profiles. And no 10 bit recording.

Z50 no usable flip out screen to see from the front the flip down is crazy as your tripod stand blocks it.

I am going to do some Z50 VS A6700 videos and then sell the Z50 two lens kit I have and buy another a6700.

I also have the very good Sigma 16mm 1.4 lens for the Z50 I will be selling as well I had used three times it is better then any of the Nikon lens you can get for DX. and I have a Nikon 10-20 lens I got new that has been used once just testing it. Will be taking a loss on all this get to get rid of the Z50 and end up with two a6700s.

When you look at lens for cropped the Z50 has almost nothing worth buying. The Sony on the other had has lots to pick from Sony, Tamron, Sigma, Viltrox and more.

The Z50 color out of the camera also dose not match my FF Nikon Z6s I also have. The Z6 are much better in every way vs the Z50. But the new Sony a6700 smokes my higher end Z6s for focus and tracking. I am starting to use the a6700 now over my FF Nikons for the better focus and fantastic tracking.

I am not getting any soft images from the a6700 at all this must be user error as you stated you get soft image from both. I do not get get soft image from the Z50 unless you use the tracking that dose not work very well at all.

Just look at the focus points of the Z50 VS the a6700 that says it all.

I will most likely end up with 4 a6700s as I start to sell off some of the Nikon z system lens I have and one of my Z6s. So I have two set up for video at my desk full time for in studio video making and two I use out on jobs one with the Tamron 17-70 2.8 and the other with the Sigma 56mm 1.4 or the Viltrox 75mm 1,2 based on the job I am going to.

Today I just got in the Sony RX10 4 this is the camera with the built in 24-600mm F 4 lens i m charging git up now. I will use this in place of buying any heavy mega zoom lens on other bodys.
 
Well I have both - have had the Z50 for a long time now and regret buying it I should have sent it back when I could.

Now the a6700 it is by far much better in most every way.
In most but not in every. There is at least one point which is better in Z50. Namely, Nikon Z50/Z30 have the more sensitive sensor, which is noticeably less noisy than that of a6700. I wonder why Sony have not yet released any cameras with this 20MP sensor. I'd like to see it in a future Sony APS-C camera, such as a7000.
 
Well I have both - have had the Z50 for a long time now and regret buying it I should have sent it back when I could.

Now the a6700 it is by far much better in most every way.
In most but not in every. There is at least one point which is better in Z50. Namely, Nikon Z50/Z30 have the more sensitive sensor, which is noticeably less noisy than that of a6700. I wonder why Sony have not yet released any cameras with this 20MP sensor. I'd like to see it in a future Sony APS-C camera, such as a7000.
How do you determine that Z50 is less noisy? I have not tested them myself, but according to P2P measurements, they should be similar.
 

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