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The sales rep nor another one that tried to help could not get the 10D to focus clearly on the comb teeth, they trie two cameras and a different lens;16-35. I was set to get the 10d but become frustrated as they were and have come back to the drawing baord to deside. I made this post as I was frustrated and have read so much of the focus issue, but all the reviews are saying how great the 10D is, so obviously something was wrong in this case. I am affended by the two posters that have tried to say I am a troll. I feel sorry for them as I think they are insecure people and are the type to critisize rather than offer help. Aslo they either don't think before they post or are two lazy to do some research before they make their false accusations. At this point it would not matter if I was the President of Canon they would still insult me.

If you check my posts from the last few weeks I have been inquiring into the D100 vs. the 10D and mostly questions of the 10D. I have been doing this too learn more about the 10D as I have read it is the best in it's price range. So I tried to compare the two cameras and was unable to do so, becuase of a focus problem. I have no doubt that the 10D is an excellent camera. However I have been following the posts and there have been many concerns about the AF of the 10D and many people telling those people they are wrong.

So when I tried the camera for my self and with the help of the sales staff, and still we could not get the focus to work right, and on two cameras. Well then I am thinking there is a focus issue. So I am discussing it further here. I still like the 10D I am just frustrated and dissapointed by todays activity. In any case I thank those that have given positive suggestions. Greg N
Greg Eddinger said:
Hi Greg: I understand that the D100 is good at low light focus.
How was the lighting?
I havn't read all of the threads below but if this hasn't been
asked, what focus was the 10D set at? (I presume the 7 point
default). What was the D100 set at?
I was shooting some birds today with my 10D, 28-135 is canon. I was
able to lock on to birds shooting thru small finger thick branches
that were just outside of the circle part of the viewfinder. The
bird was about 4" behind the front branches and locked quick and
accurate "no hunting" on the center focus setting. I have heard
from many previous D30 and D60 owners that the 10D is much better
at focusing than their old cams. Did this forum light up like a
christmas tree with focus issues on those cams?
IMO Center point should be the default setting but Canon choose the
more vunerable 7Point. I really wonder how many of the OOFs we
would hear about if the default was set to center?

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I could not get the camera to focus right, two sales reps could not get the camera to focus right, two cameras in fact. what are the odds, maybe... there was a problem, did you even read the first post or did you just jump in to insult me. why did you even respond to my post.
John Fisher said:
"The focus issue was real from my experience."

There you go again. Stop it.

There was no "focus issue" from your experience, and you have
admitted that. You did not know how to use the camera, you have
said so (after a lot of prompting), but still you made a post on
the Canon SLR forum and titled it "10D focus issue is real!" You
didn't say "hey, I'm pretty inexperienced but I did this and I had
this problem. What did I do wrong?"

There is no systemic focus problem with an EOS 10D. There are a lot
of people who have problems focusing. These are separate issues.



I post these pictures for a reason, it gives people a reference
frame as to my experience with this equipment. All the shots I post
in these strings were shot with an EOS 10D.

Fish
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I was not trying to stir up anything, I was frustrated and dissapointed, if you don't like this post why do you read it, let alone respond to it. it's getting to the point that if everyone isn't a yes person here they get dissed by people.
Pearl Rider said:
greg n said:
I do not have the card anymore, I gave it back to my Dad for his
G1. I did not bother keeping the pictures cause it was not a fair
test cause the focus was not working right on the 10d.
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No pictures? Isn't that quite convenient. We see many CLAIMS of bad
AF on the 10D and often they don't supply the images they've based
their claim on. Obviously that short test made up your mind for you
so you just s* canned the images. That'd be OK if you didn't feel
the necessity to get on here and stir up what you KNEW it would.
Sheesh!
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both default, the lighting was overhead florensence, seemed to be pretty goo.
Greg Eddinger said:
Hi Greg: I understand that the D100 is good at low light focus.
How was the lighting?
I havn't read all of the threads below but if this hasn't been
asked, what focus was the 10D set at? (I presume the 7 point
default). What was the D100 set at?
I was shooting some birds today with my 10D, 28-135 is canon. I was
able to lock on to birds shooting thru small finger thick branches
that were just outside of the circle part of the viewfinder. The
bird was about 4" behind the front branches and locked quick and
accurate "no hunting" on the center focus setting. I have heard
from many previous D30 and D60 owners that the 10D is much better
at focusing than their old cams. Did this forum light up like a
christmas tree with focus issues on those cams?
IMO Center point should be the default setting but Canon choose the
more vunerable 7Point. I really wonder how many of the OOFs we
would hear about if the default was set to center?

--
Those that believe they can, can because they believe.
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Registering AF point allows you to press Assist button and momentarily get the registered point - instead of pressing point selection button and rotating the main dial. In theory, it's faster, but in practice, I never used Assist button.
DavidP said:
That was with the D30, EOS-3, and 1D.

I believe the Elan-7 is the same way (my brother has one).

Why would the 10D be any different?
I.J. Smith said:
David, with the 10D you have to register the point you want to use
as default...that's what that function is for. I don't remember
what it was when I got it, but I suspect it was set on auto
selection (one of it's choices).
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If you like sharp, I can't help but relate my incredible satifaction with the SD-9 I recenetly purchased--so you may wish to consider one. I'm a but bummed because I paid $1475 for the body, flash, and two lenses, the price has dropped ~$300 since then.

Is the SD-9 as versitile as the D100 or 10D? No. Low light is more challenging, though excellent results can be obtained with practice--basically using work arounds like underexposuring and pushing with the SD-9's tremendous RAW processing software package, SPP.

But if you want sharp, wow. The SD-9's images hardly even change with USM until you get into the range where blantant artifacts appear--and that don't really add sharpness really, just garbage--its really an amazing camera in terms of both resolution and sharpness. It is not for everyone though, there are plenty of drawbacks too.

Don't let the passive focus system deter you, it works positively pristinely. It locks in surprisingly low light too, and once you add a flash you get an active beam anyway.

Here is the first shot I ever took with the SD-9 using an el cheapo $90 lens, its taken with almost ambient light with the flash twisted 180 degrees to the rear with a bounce off the ceiling. Zero USM...

http://www.pbase.com/image/18452702/original

Here are few other's with no USM, in fact, I've never USM'd any of my AD-9 images. Seriously. None.

http://www.pbase.com/imageprocessing/sd9

Point is, with a common street price of $900 now, the SD-9 is a real gem worth considering--especially if you can't get enough of sharp. To bring this post on-topic for this forum, yesm the 10D is a better choice for versatility.
greg n said:
I had my D100 and gear stolen and I have been bouncing back and
forth between the D100 and the 10D, not to mention thinking about
the D2H. I have been reading all the forum info on the 10D and all
the reviews. Every online review has rated the 10D as the better
buy and better camera. So I read all the foums, there was a lot in
the canon forum about problems with focusing, but then a lot of
people saying people didn't know how to use their camera and it was
just a few cameras. I had two well known posters who have both
cameras e-mail me their take, both suggested the Af focusing and
low light abilities of the D100 over the less noise better picture
10d. Well I was still considering the 10D cause all the online
reviews were so pro for it. I took a flash card into the big camera
store in my area, along with some objects to photograph for
comparing the two. One object i took was a blue plastic comb, I
wanted to see just how much better these out of camera 10D pictures
were. We set the cameras to Jpeg fine and auto and the same or as
close to lenses, and everything as equal as possible. Took some
pics with the nikon then put the card in the 10D and took some
pics. I noticed the comb would not focus clearly like the D100 just
did, the teeth just sort of blurred or blended together. The sales
rep looked and noticed the same problem, he said we were using
cheaper lenses so that could be the trouble. He put on the 16-35, a
good lens, and still the same focus trouble. So then he got another
10D and we tried it, still the same thing. The picture was
basically clear but the focus was a little off and very noticeable
difference on the comb teeth from the Nikon. I could tell the sales
person was getting a little frustrated so he said I should just get
the D100 again. So out of two 10D's at this camera store both had
focus trouble. I think that is pretty high numbers. Listening to
some of the people on the Canon forum chastising members who are
concerned about their 10D focus for asking or complaining, well
maybe you should take another look. cause there does seem to be a
problem. If you got a good 10D then good for you, but don't diss
those that didn't. It would seem that Canon, and I am sure Nikon as
well, makes sure they send a good focusing 10d to the reviewers,
but does not take the same care with the ones they sell to the
general public. I know you can send the camera and lens into Nikon
for focus alighnment, but i do not think that is acceptable for a
camera of this value. I am not a troll, I am just a consumer who
wants a good digital DSL. I think it is great that Canon came out
with the better, cheaper, stronger 10D, but I think they should
have been more careful to get it right. Right now I am neither a
Nikon owner or a Canon DSL owner, just a concerned potential
consumer.
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I like SD9 images very much, when the color is right and noise is low. Its sharpness is just amazing.

Hard to believe the absense of AA filter and Bayer interpolation make such a dramatic difference. Images literally jump out of 2D plane.

What also amazes me is how inexpensive lenses give so sharp photos with SD9. Larger pixels and no spreading of lens' aberrations by AA and Bayer makes the lenses perform as they really should.

I want SD9, with Canon on it, with Canon mount. ;)

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Mishkin™ said:
I like SD9 images very much, when the color is right and noise is
low. Its sharpness is just amazing.

Hard to believe the absense of AA filter and Bayer interpolation
make such a dramatic difference. Images literally jump out of 2D
plane.

What also amazes me is how inexpensive lenses give so sharp photos
with SD9. Larger pixels and no spreading of lens' aberrations by AA
and Bayer makes the lenses perform as they really should.

I want SD9, with Canon on it, with Canon mount. ;)

--
Mishkin™
Theoretical Measurbator
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First, don't use it on full auto because the camera ends up having to guess amongst 7 focus sensors which one you want to use. And sometimes it chooses wrong! Manually select the focus sensor. If it focuses properly at that selected focus sensor, you do not have a focus problem. It seems that people fail to understand the difference between the camera choosing a different focus sensor than the one you wanted, versus the camera misfocusing at the desired focus sensor.

Second, keep your images so that we can all see them, as well as the EXIF data. Otherwise, it's just anecdotal evidence, which is next to worthless because there is no evidence!
greg n said:
I had my D100 and gear stolen and I have been bouncing back and
forth between the D100 and the 10D, not to mention thinking about
the D2H. I have been reading all the forum info on the 10D and all
the reviews. Every online review has rated the 10D as the better
buy and better camera. So I read all the foums, there was a lot in
the canon forum about problems with focusing, but then a lot of
people saying people didn't know how to use their camera and it was
just a few cameras. I had two well known posters who have both
cameras e-mail me their take, both suggested the Af focusing and
low light abilities of the D100 over the less noise better picture
10d. Well I was still considering the 10D cause all the online
reviews were so pro for it. I took a flash card into the big camera
store in my area, along with some objects to photograph for
comparing the two. One object i took was a blue plastic comb, I
wanted to see just how much better these out of camera 10D pictures
were. We set the cameras to Jpeg fine and auto and the same or as
close to lenses, and everything as equal as possible. Took some
pics with the nikon then put the card in the 10D and took some
pics. I noticed the comb would not focus clearly like the D100 just
did, the teeth just sort of blurred or blended together. The sales
rep looked and noticed the same problem, he said we were using
cheaper lenses so that could be the trouble. He put on the 16-35, a
good lens, and still the same focus trouble. So then he got another
10D and we tried it, still the same thing. The picture was
basically clear but the focus was a little off and very noticeable
difference on the comb teeth from the Nikon. I could tell the sales
person was getting a little frustrated so he said I should just get
the D100 again. So out of two 10D's at this camera store both had
focus trouble. I think that is pretty high numbers. Listening to
some of the people on the Canon forum chastising members who are
concerned about their 10D focus for asking or complaining, well
maybe you should take another look. cause there does seem to be a
problem. If you got a good 10D then good for you, but don't diss
those that didn't. It would seem that Canon, and I am sure Nikon as
well, makes sure they send a good focusing 10d to the reviewers,
but does not take the same care with the ones they sell to the
general public. I know you can send the camera and lens into Nikon
for focus alighnment, but i do not think that is acceptable for a
camera of this value. I am not a troll, I am just a consumer who
wants a good digital DSL. I think it is great that Canon came out
with the better, cheaper, stronger 10D, but I think they should
have been more careful to get it right. Right now I am neither a
Nikon owner or a Canon DSL owner, just a concerned potential
consumer.
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No matter how I try to stop it, it just keeps on doing this...



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It is a shame that no matter how much you spend, or don't spend in the case of the SD-9, you can't have it all. There isn't an all in one perfect package available at any price. At least not IMO.

The SD-9 is nice because it is prosumer priced, lens-inclusive, and in my view it outperforms absolutely everything, at any price, when the light is good to excellent. In mid to low light it hangs, but in very low light you need to use NR software in most cases.

That said, most DSLRs do similar stuff in-camera, so the only real penalty is the time it takes to move that process onto your desktop. The good news is that desktop noise reduction is extremely powerful these days, and allows the SD-9 to produce very competitive high ISO, low light images.
Mishkin™ said:
I like SD9 images very much, when the color is right and noise is
low. Its sharpness is just amazing.

Hard to believe the absense of AA filter and Bayer interpolation
make such a dramatic difference. Images literally jump out of 2D
plane.

What also amazes me is how inexpensive lenses give so sharp photos
with SD9. Larger pixels and no spreading of lens' aberrations by AA
and Bayer makes the lenses perform as they really should.

I want SD9, with Canon on it, with Canon mount. ;)

--
Mishkin™
Theoretical Measurbator
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I also was considering the D100. My Oly E-10 took a dive and I had no effective digital back up. I heard so much more good about the 10D that with very little reasearch time I went for the 10D. I'm glad I did, not that the D100 is an inferior cam. But that the 10D is a very worthy cam. If set to the center point I feel that most of the OOF post would disapear. Also I would like to say that the only wide angle lens I could get at purchase time was a Quantaray 19-35 (made by sigma) That's a wild lens. I thought that I had one of the OOF cams that I did hear about. I now use a sigma 15-30 for my wide needs. And the canon 28-135 for my general shots. Both of the lens perform well. I'm very pleased with the speed and accuracy of the AFS. And the camera as a whole. I'm confident that I will get the shot using the AFS. Of course the camera has it's limitations which for most are insignificant. I applaud your inquisitive questions. They are sincere and one of the few focus Qs that aren't really baiting, they just touch on a very sore subject for some. As for comparing the 2 cameras. Weigh them for your needs not out of fear that you will get one of the few that do go OOF. As for the troll post, maybe they thought that you were me????
greg n wrote:
. I am
greg n said:
affended by the two posters that have tried to say I am a troll. I
feel sorry for them as I think they are insecure people and are the
type to critisize rather than offer help. >
If you check my posts from the last few weeks I have been inquiring

into the D100 vs. the 10D and mostly questions of the 10D.> So when I tried the camera for my self and with the help of the
sales staff, and still we could not get the focus to work right,
and on two cameras. Well then I am thinking there is a focus issue.
So I am discussing it further here. I still like the 10D I am just
frustrated and dissapointed by todays activity. In any case I thank
those that have given positive suggestions. Greg N
Greg Eddinger said:
Hi Greg: I understand that the D100 is good at low light focus.
How was the lighting?
I havn't read all of the threads below but if this hasn't been
asked, what focus was the 10D set at? (I presume the 7 point
default). What was the D100 set at?
I was shooting some birds today with my 10D, 28-135 is canon. I was
able to lock on to birds shooting thru small finger thick branches
that were just outside of the circle part of the viewfinder. The
bird was about 4" behind the front branches and locked quick and
accurate "no hunting" on the center focus setting. I have heard
from many previous D30 and D60 owners that the 10D is much better
at focusing than their old cams. Did this forum light up like a
christmas tree with focus issues on those cams?
IMO Center point should be the default setting but Canon choose the
more vunerable 7Point. I really wonder how many of the OOFs we
would hear about if the default was set to center?

--
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It seems pbases secondary servers are down, to view all the images in the galleries below, when an error message about not finding the server pops up, just manually edit the web address to read "www.pbase.com..." instead of "www3.pbase.com" or what ever other server it tries to use.
sg10 said:
Is the SD-9 as versitile as the D100 or 10D? No. Low light is
more challenging, though excellent results can be obtained with
practice--basically using work arounds like underexposuring and
pushing with the SD-9's tremendous RAW processing software package,
SPP.

But if you want sharp, wow. The SD-9's images hardly even change
with USM until you get into the range where blantant artifacts
appear--and that don't really add sharpness really, just
garbage--its really an amazing camera in terms of both resolution
and sharpness. It is not for everyone though, there are plenty of
drawbacks too.

Don't let the passive focus system deter you, it works positively
pristinely. It locks in surprisingly low light too, and once you
add a flash you get an active beam anyway.

Here is the first shot I ever took with the SD-9 using an el cheapo
$90 lens, its taken with almost ambient light with the flash
twisted 180 degrees to the rear with a bounce off the ceiling.
Zero USM...

http://www.pbase.com/image/18452702/original

Here are few other's with no USM, in fact, I've never USM'd any of
my AD-9 images. Seriously. None.

http://www.pbase.com/imageprocessing/sd9

Point is, with a common street price of $900 now, the SD-9 is a
real gem worth considering--especially if you can't get enough of
sharp. To bring this post on-topic for this forum, yesm the 10D is
a better choice for versatility.
greg n said:
I had my D100 and gear stolen and I have been bouncing back and
forth between the D100 and the 10D, not to mention thinking about
the D2H. I have been reading all the forum info on the 10D and all
the reviews. Every online review has rated the 10D as the better
buy and better camera. So I read all the foums, there was a lot in
the canon forum about problems with focusing, but then a lot of
people saying people didn't know how to use their camera and it was
just a few cameras. I had two well known posters who have both
cameras e-mail me their take, both suggested the Af focusing and
low light abilities of the D100 over the less noise better picture
10d. Well I was still considering the 10D cause all the online
reviews were so pro for it. I took a flash card into the big camera
store in my area, along with some objects to photograph for
comparing the two. One object i took was a blue plastic comb, I
wanted to see just how much better these out of camera 10D pictures
were. We set the cameras to Jpeg fine and auto and the same or as
close to lenses, and everything as equal as possible. Took some
pics with the nikon then put the card in the 10D and took some
pics. I noticed the comb would not focus clearly like the D100 just
did, the teeth just sort of blurred or blended together. The sales
rep looked and noticed the same problem, he said we were using
cheaper lenses so that could be the trouble. He put on the 16-35, a
good lens, and still the same focus trouble. So then he got another
10D and we tried it, still the same thing. The picture was
basically clear but the focus was a little off and very noticeable
difference on the comb teeth from the Nikon. I could tell the sales
person was getting a little frustrated so he said I should just get
the D100 again. So out of two 10D's at this camera store both had
focus trouble. I think that is pretty high numbers. Listening to
some of the people on the Canon forum chastising members who are
concerned about their 10D focus for asking or complaining, well
maybe you should take another look. cause there does seem to be a
problem. If you got a good 10D then good for you, but don't diss
those that didn't. It would seem that Canon, and I am sure Nikon as
well, makes sure they send a good focusing 10d to the reviewers,
but does not take the same care with the ones they sell to the
general public. I know you can send the camera and lens into Nikon
for focus alighnment, but i do not think that is acceptable for a
camera of this value. I am not a troll, I am just a consumer who
wants a good digital DSL. I think it is great that Canon came out
with the better, cheaper, stronger 10D, but I think they should
have been more careful to get it right. Right now I am neither a
Nikon owner or a Canon DSL owner, just a concerned potential
consumer.
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DavidP said:
Well, a few.

Had the camera store ever seen this before? Ever tested it at all?

And what are they going to do with those two bodies?
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I don't know what body your speaking of but I know which one I would hold on the john fisher site. Those bodies are like class glass.
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John Fisher said:
Greg, smell the coffee.

You claim to be a Nikon owner, the inflamitory title of your post
is "The focus issue is real!" You talk about two 10D's being
defective, .....then finally after being exposed by your own words
you admit you did not know what you were doing and you mis-used the
camera.

Please start a new string and title it "I am unaware of any problem
with the EOS 10D, but there are people who own Nikon's who are a
little confused."

Then you won't be a troll.

Fish
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Kinda faul post mr. Fisher! Shame on you!

Anyway, I don't care that much for this camera or this issue, but I did have a Canon camera once that had an awful way of handling overexposure: Solid Magenta Area's!!!

And what do I see in this sample picture of yours: A white hightlight area surrounded by an area of strong magenta cast.

My camera was the G1 in 2000. Looks like Canon still or again lost his grip on this problem. Yuk, this magenta problem was the main reason I sold the G1 after 7 months of frustration.

Btw I strongle recommend that you select your samples a bit more careful from now on.

Theo
John Fisher said:
PS: I liked the part where you lost the pictures. Nice touch.



PPS: Taking great pictures is easy for me, I use an EOS 10D.
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