Canon R5 Mark II Eye Focus and Tracking for Birds is Greatly Improved

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Hi all.

I normally reserve final judgement on a piece of equipment until after I've gotten Very familiar with it, following lots of shooting and experience out in the field. However I just have to post these examples ASAP of where the Canon R5 Mark II has taken Eye Focus and Tracking to the next level for me. It's kind of like when they cut medical testing trials short due to overwhelmingly positive results! :-D

Now the Canon R5 Mark I had an early version of the DIGIC X autofocus firmware. Firmware updates over time improved AF and Tracking (thank goodness), but there were never any big advances over the years. It did in fact work very well for me, but there were a good number of work-arounds that I had to employ on a constant basis, the big one being the use of good old-fashioned Spot AF in many situations.

I'm now happy to report that this is one area where the R5 Mark II has really shown robust improvements. The Eye/ Subject Detection, Focus Acquisition, and Tracking have been knocking my socks off even in the short time that I've been using this body (and esp once I got the AF settings fairly optimized, after a somewhat rocky start ;-) ).

Take the example of the Wood Ducks below. The R5ii (+ RF 100-500 + RF 1.4x) immediately focused right on the near duck's eye and held it, completely ignoring the intervening branches, the background clutter, and the water reflections. Those of you who've been shooting previous bodies in these situations know that's been something of a rarity.

But this R5ii did it for 90 frames in a row as I took short bursts while the Woodies paddled around this spot. And every single frame was in perfect eye focus. Understand now why I just had to post?! :-D

These are all full size images to aid in evaluation. Click on "Original size"
These are all full size images to aid in evaluation. Click on "Original size"

Cardinal hopping around a tree. Same thing. Huge keeper rates.
Cardinal hopping around a tree. Same thing. Huge keeper rates.

The R5ii picked this Cedar Waxwing (out of these cedars ;-) ) with complete ease. If you look closely you can see the very blurred images of the intervening branches I shot through (left and right of the bird).
The R5ii picked this Cedar Waxwing (out of these cedars ;-) ) with complete ease. If you look closely you can see the very blurred images of the intervening branches I shot through (left and right of the bird).

It knew the Bluejay's form. No problem with the cluttered background or the grasses. Shots like this are completely effortless.
It knew the Bluejay's form. No problem with the cluttered background or the grasses. Shots like this are completely effortless.

Did you immediately see the Osprey in front of these trees? The R5 Mark II certainly did. And stayed locked on throughout the fly-by. Over 100 shots in all.
Did you immediately see the Osprey in front of these trees? The R5 Mark II certainly did. And stayed locked on throughout the fly-by. Over 100 shots in all.

BIF shooting has been very satisfying. I use Whole Area AF and the camera finds my subject wherever it is located. Flying behind power wires or branches no problem, and in front of trees AF stickiness has been super. The R5ii does a much better job making sure that the subject stays in focus. I'm simply blown away. (my Tracking Sensitivity is set at -2, and my Accel/decel is set at 0). I'm not done tweaking settings yet, so I expect even more improvements!

Be sure to post your settings suggestions too. I'd love to hear feedback!

Happy shooting!

R2

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Hi all.

I normally reserve final judgement on a piece of equipment until after I've gotten Very familiar with it, following lots of shooting and experience out in the field. However I just have to post these examples ASAP of where the Canon R5 Mark II has taken Eye Focus and Tracking to the next level for me. It's kind of like when they cut medical testing trials short due to overwhelmingly positive results! :-D

Now the Canon R5 Mark I had an early version of the DIGIC X autofocus firmware. Firmware updates over time improved AF and Tracking (thank goodness), but there were never any big advances over the years. It did in fact work very well for me, but there were a good number of work-arounds that I had to employ on a constant basis, the big one being the use of good old-fashioned Spot AF in many situations.

I'm now happy to report that this is one area where the R5 Mark II has really shown robust improvements. The Eye/ Subject Detection, Focus Acquisition, and Tracking have been knocking my socks off even in the short time that I've been using this body (and esp once I got the AF settings fairly optimized, after a somewhat rocky start ;-) ).

Take the example of the Wood Ducks below. The R5ii (+ RF 100-500 + RF 1.4x) immediately focused right on the near duck's eye and held it, completely ignoring the intervening branches, the background clutter, and the water reflections. Those of you who've been shooting previous bodies in these situations know that's been something of a rarity.

But this R5ii did it for 90 frames in a row as I took short bursts while the Woodies paddled around this spot. And every single frame was in perfect eye focus. Understand now why I just had to post?! :-D

These are all full size images to aid in evaluation. Click on "Original size"
These are all full size images to aid in evaluation. Click on "Original size"

Cardinal hopping around a tree. Same thing. Huge keeper rates.
Cardinal hopping around a tree. Same thing. Huge keeper rates.

The R5ii picked this Cedar Waxwing (out of these cedars ;-) ) with complete ease. If you look closely you can see the very blurred images of the intervening branches I shot through (left and right of the bird).
The R5ii picked this Cedar Waxwing (out of these cedars ;-) ) with complete ease. If you look closely you can see the very blurred images of the intervening branches I shot through (left and right of the bird).

It knew the Bluejay's form. No problem with the cluttered background or the grasses. Shots like this are completely effortless.
It knew the Bluejay's form. No problem with the cluttered background or the grasses. Shots like this are completely effortless.

Did you immediately see the Osprey in front of these trees? The R5 Mark II certainly did. And stayed locked on throughout the fly-by. Over 100 shots in all.
Did you immediately see the Osprey in front of these trees? The R5 Mark II certainly did. And stayed locked on throughout the fly-by. Over 100 shots in all.

BIF shooting has been very satisfying. I use Whole Area AF and the camera finds my subject wherever it is located. Flying behind power wires or branches no problem, and in front of trees AF stickiness has been super. The R5ii does a much better job making sure that the subject stays in focus. I'm simply blown away. (my Tracking Sensitivity is set at -2, and my Accel/decel is set at 0). I'm not done tweaking settings yet, so I expect even more improvements!

Be sure to post your settings suggestions too. I'd love to hear feedback!

Happy shooting!

R2

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Experience comes from bad judgment.
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Awesome r2. Absolutely amazing photos.

I don't see an osprey, or any bird in the final image.

I've sent you a PM btw.
 
Awesome r2. Absolutely amazing photos.

I don't see an osprey, or any bird in the final image.
Here it is, @Ephemeris



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So you’re saying kinda the opposite of what that guy with the super long post said a few days ago? Maybe something is faulty with his copy. My experience is more like yours. Although the AF is a bit nervous at times. But I have not really tried fine tuning the AF yet.

DA
 
So you’re saying kinda the opposite of what that guy with the super long post said a few days ago? Maybe something is faulty with his copy. My experience is more like yours. Although the AF is a bit nervous at times. But I have not really tried fine tuning the AF yet.

DA
If you use reply with quote it makes it easier to understand who your responding to
 
Hi all.

I normally reserve final judgement on a piece of equipment until after I've gotten Very familiar with it, following lots of shooting and experience out in the field. However I just have to post these examples ASAP of where the Canon R5 Mark II has taken Eye Focus and Tracking to the next level for me. It's kind of like when they cut medical testing trials short due to overwhelmingly positive results! :-D

Now the Canon R5 Mark I had an early version of the DIGIC X autofocus firmware. Firmware updates over time improved AF and Tracking (thank goodness), but there were never any big advances over the years. It did in fact work very well for me, but there were a good number of work-arounds that I had to employ on a constant basis, the big one being the use of good old-fashioned Spot AF in many situations.

I'm now happy to report that this is one area where the R5 Mark II has really shown robust improvements. The Eye/ Subject Detection, Focus Acquisition, and Tracking have been knocking my socks off even in the short time that I've been using this body (and esp once I got the AF settings fairly optimized, after a somewhat rocky start ;-) ).

Take the example of the Wood Ducks below. The R5ii (+ RF 100-500 + RF 1.4x) immediately focused right on the near duck's eye and held it, completely ignoring the intervening branches, the background clutter, and the water reflections. Those of you who've been shooting previous bodies in these situations know that's been something of a rarity.

But this R5ii did it for 90 frames in a row as I took short bursts while the Woodies paddled around this spot. And every single frame was in perfect eye focus. Understand now why I just had to post?! :-D

BIF shooting has been very satisfying. I use Whole Area AF and the camera finds my subject wherever it is located. Flying behind power wires or branches no problem, and in front of trees AF stickiness has been super. The R5ii does a much better job making sure that the subject stays in focus. I'm simply blown away. (my Tracking Sensitivity is set at -2, and my Accel/decel is set at 0). I'm not done tweaking settings yet, so I expect even more improvements!

Be sure to post your settings suggestions too. I'd love to hear feedback!

Happy shooting!

R2
Impressive! It took me a while to spot the Osprey...

My experiences are very similar.

The R5 mk 2 simply does the job you expect it to do, during the vast majority of shooting sessions, and in many cases even surpasses the expectations.

Guess what sports- and wildlife shooters prefer, conceptually?

Canon really have done their homework with the R5 mk 2 and stand stronger than ever in this segment.
 
Awesome r2. Absolutely amazing photos.
After my initial problems with the AF (namely AF pulsing and plain old OOF BIFs) I was very concerned about birding with the R5ii. But after the firmware update, and changing just one setting - Accel/decel to ( 0 ), it was like shooting a different camera. It's been blowing me away ever since.
I don't see an osprey, or any bird in the final image.
LOL, the Subject Detect finds the birds way faster than I can!
I've sent you a PM btw.
Got it, hope it helps. I'll be posting my AF settings here ASAP. I hope everyone sees the same kind of results! :-D

Happy shooting!

R2
 
Awesome r2. Absolutely amazing photos.

I don't see an osprey, or any bird in the final image.
Here it is, @Ephemeris
Oh gosh. I didnt see it al all

So the R52 has beat the human. Not to shabby a result :-)
Right. With previous cameras the Subject Detect might in fact spot the bird, but keeping the AF from being sucked in by a cluttered background was always iffy. The R5ii is much better than my other bodies at keeping the actual subject in focus. And the R5ii is effective from a much further distance away too.

R2
 
So you’re saying kinda the opposite of what that guy with the super long post said a few days ago? Maybe something is faulty with his copy.
I think it's a matter of getting the settings tuned right. EVERYTHING with this camera has been reworked, and you can't use the same approach/ settings as you had with other bodies. I think just about everyone is reaching that conclusion by now (I made that error early on).
My experience is more like yours. Although the AF is a bit nervous at times. But I have not really tried fine tuning the AF yet.

DA
I'll get my AF settings posted real quick. We'll see if others get similar results with their copies. :-D

R2

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Impressive! It took me a while to spot the Osprey...

My experiences are very similar.
Glad to hear it! I had initially strayed too far from the defaults and paid the price. I'm delighted to be back on track.
The R5 mk 2 simply does the job you expect it to do, during the vast majority of shooting sessions, and in many cases even surpasses the expectations.
Yessir. Now I have to decide whether or not to replace my R6ii with an R5ii. I haven't shot one human with this body yet though. Will have to see how others do!
Guess what sports- and wildlife shooters prefer, conceptually?

Canon really have done their homework with the R5 mk 2 and stand stronger than ever in this segment.
Indeed. They've taken away a lot of the struggles that the R5 Mark I had. And on top of that added a huge (well-implemented) game-changer like Pre-Burst. It's a birder's delight! :-D

R2
 
I also tried taking some bird photos with the RF100-500 today, and the R5m2 was really good, it was almost impossible to find a photo that was out of focus.
 
This is how I have my R5ii AF configured so far. Compare it to your settings and results. Offer up any suggestions!

Keep in mind that many of the AF settings are superseded by the Custom Button AF configurations.

AF1: AF operation/area
- AF operation: SERVO
- AF area: SPOT
- Whole area tracking Servo AF: ON
- Focus mode: AF

AF2: Subject detection
- Subject to detect: Animals
- Eye Detection: Auto
- Register people priority: -
- Action Priority: Disable (greyed out)

AF3: Servo AF character.
- Case: Manual
- Tracking sensitivity: -2
- Accel./decel. tracking: 0

AF4: Customize AF operation
- Servo 1st image priority: Focus priority
- One-Shot AF release prior.: Focus priority
- Preview AF: Disable
- Lens drive when AF impossible: ON
- AF-assist beam firing: OFF (greyed out)

AF5: Customized controls
- Limit AF areas: -
- Orientation linked AF point: Separate AF pts: Area+pt
- Limit subject to detect: -
- L/R eye detection: -

AF6: MF related
- MF peaking settings: OFF
- Focus guide: Off
- Lens electronic MF: ON

AF7: Various settings
N/A

.

Custom controls when shooting:
Customize buttons for shooting: *

Shutter butt. half-press: Metering start

AF-ON button: Metering and AF Start
- AF start position: Manually selected AF point
- AF operation: SERVO
- AF area: Whole area AF
- Whole area tracking Servo AF: ON
- Subject to detect: Animals
- Spot detection: (greyed out)
- Eye detection: AUTO
- Servo AF characteristics: Case Manual
- Case Auto character.: (greyed out)
- Tracking sensitivity: -2
- Accel./decel. tracking: 0
Note: All selections are checkmarked

* Button: Metering and AF Start
- AF start position: Manually selected AF point
- AF operation: SERVO
- AF area: Spot AF, Tracking OFF (locked)
- Whole area tracking Servo AF: (greyed out)
- Subject to detect: (greyed out)
- Spot detection: (greyed out)
- Eye detection: (greyed out)
- Servo AF characteristics: Case Manual
- Case Auto character.: (greyed out)
- Tracking sensitivity: -2
- Accel./decel. tracking: 0


I really like how the R5ii (and R5 before it) have the AF-On button and the * button positioned so closely, so that all you have to do is lean your thumb over to activate the * button, instead of repositioning it entirely from the AF-On button, like you have to do with other bodies. Lots of subtle ergonomic touches make the R5 and R5ii a real pleasure to shoot.

R2

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Did you immediately see the Osprey in front of these trees? The R5 Mark II certainly did. And stayed locked on throughout the fly-by. Over 100 shots in all.
Did you immediately see the Osprey in front of these trees? The R5 Mark II certainly did. And stayed locked on throughout the fly-by. Over 100 shots in all.
Yes, I did, after about 10 minutes of looking carefully. Impressive!!
 
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I also tried taking some bird photos with the RF100-500 today, and the R5m2 was really good, it was almost impossible to find a photo that was out of focus.
A big +1

Culling through bursts I can almost completely select my keepers via composition now! :-D

R2
 
Did you immediately see the Osprey in front of these trees? The R5 Mark II certainly did. And stayed locked on throughout the fly-by. Over 100 shots in all.
Did you immediately see the Osprey in front of these trees? The R5 Mark II certainly did. And stayed locked on throughout the fly-by. Over 100 shots in all.
Yes, I did, after about 10 minutes of looking carefully. Impressive!!
HeHe, in all fairness both myself and the camera benefited from the fact that the bird was in motion! :-D

R2

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R2,

All the images are impressive, but the Osprey image is INSANE!!! I couldn't even see the bird at first and wondered what you were talking about until I zoomed in. :-) Yikes, scary good AF.

Rudy

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From the Master Tracker himself! :-D

I wonder how the video AF is on this thing.

R2
It's good. Different than stills as things don't happen quite so fast but very configurable.

Need something to fill those 3.1Mb config files up with 😂

I'm still trying to find Doom in the config files 🌞

I wonder why they went to a mono mic?
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