Canon R5 Mark II - speculated in Q2/2023, specs

Hm...

• New 61MP CMOS BSI sensor
• Dual DIGIC X processor
• 30 FPS electronic shutter with tracking / 12 FPS mechanical shutter
• Same 8-stop IBIS
• New High Resolution mode similar to pixel shift shooting found on Sony/Fujifilm
• 2x/4x/8x digital tele-convertor
• Same Dual Pixel CMOS AF II from EOS R3 and EOS R6 Mark II
• Internal 8K 60p video recording (8K RAW video spec to be confirmed)
• Internal 4K 30p/60p/120p video recording (all by oversampling)
• FHD 240p video recording
• Focus breathing correction for video
• New overheat prevention design similar to EOS R6 Mark II, at least 40min for 8K video, and over
• 60 min for 4K video
• Dual CFexpress type B card slot
• Standard HDMI port
• Dual USB-C port
• 9.44M-dot EVF
• New design of vari-angle LCD monitor optimized for video shooting
• Launch time: 2023 Q2

Sounds like the hot stuff.

https://canoncamerarumors.com/canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-rumored-specs-coming-in-q2-2023/

And Sony with their sad sensor tech still is like 3 years behind the R5 Mark I, with slow-mo 7 FPS and 1/10th of a second sensor readout.

And Nikon seems locked into those lagging Sony sensors as well, so there is little hope for stronger competition from there.

The R5-series really continues to lead their market segment by more than one step.

Yes, Canon seems take a big leaps with both R8 and R5II, surpassing Sony's in video specs.

Nikon did that with Z9 a year ago, but now dead in water with all Z5/Z6/Z7 models. I was waiting for Z8, but seems it won't show this year.

What a combination of wild speculation and wish list! Especially the “8x digital teleconverter” which would give an 0.9Mp image - brilliantly imaginative! Whatever next? AI image engine creates the picture instead of you having to go somewhere and take it yourself?

This is not a video camera. Why an LCD screen 'optimised for video'?

drsnoopy wrote:

What a combination of wild speculation and wish list! Especially the “8x digital teleconverter” which would give an 0.9Mp image - brilliantly imaginative! Whatever next? AI image engine creates the picture instead of you having to go somewhere and take it yourself?

I can’t wait.  Imagine.  The Grand Tetons,  Sunrise, January, four feet of fresh snow on Jackson Lake, prehistoric era, woolly mammoths and other animals from that era.  And I don’t have to crank up the Delorean to get the photos.

Quarkcharmed wrote:

This is not a video camera. Why an LCD screen 'optimised for video'?

It can be a very good video camera in the right hands. So why not if it does not compromise stills shooting?

Canon_Guy wrote:

Quarkcharmed wrote:

This is not a video camera. Why an LCD screen 'optimised for video'?

It can be a very good video camera in the right hands. So why not if it does not compromise stills shooting?

61Mp, if true, are vastly excessive for video. Landscape, architecture, product photography - yes, but with this many megapixels, the native resolution isn't a good fit for video. If it does 8K, it'll be in the crop mode. Sony A7RV does 8K and 4K in the crop mode.

Anyway I think these little discrepancies suggest the rumour is fake. I'll be very happy if it's not.

drsnoopy wrote:

What a combination of wild speculation and wish list! Especially the “8x digital teleconverter” which would give an 0.9Mp image - brilliantly imaginative! Whatever next? AI image engine creates the picture instead of you having to go somewhere and take it yourself?

Presumably the digital teleconverter would work with the pixel shift to give higher resolution.

I wish Canon would give us something like a 1.3x teleconverter to reduce file size where the 1.6x crop is too much (or unavailable on APSC bodies).

Quarkcharmed wrote:

Canon_Guy wrote:

Quarkcharmed wrote:

This is not a video camera. Why an LCD screen 'optimised for video'?

It can be a very good video camera in the right hands. So why not if it does not compromise stills shooting?

61Mp, if true, are vastly excessive for video. Landscape, architecture, product photography - yes, but with this many megapixels, the native resolution isn't a good fit for video. If it does 8K, it'll be in the crop mode. Sony A7RV does 8K and 4K in the crop mode.

Anyway I think these little discrepancies suggest the rumour is fake. I'll be very happy if it's not.

I think 8K standard video would probably be oversampled, since the R5ii is also supposedly getting focus breathing correction. Maybe that's why it needs dual digic processors.

If it gets 8K raw video, that would have to be cropped.

Quarkcharmed wrote:

61Mp, if true, are vastly excessive for video. Landscape, architecture, product photography - yes, but with this many megapixels, the native resolution isn't a good fit for video. If it does 8K, it'll be in the crop mode. Sony A7RV does 8K and 4K in the crop mode.

Anyway I think these little discrepancies suggest the rumour is fake. I'll be very happy if it's not.

It is not a big crop having 8K from 61Mp. Extra Mp are also needed for 8K and 4K mode EIS.

janez wrote:

Quarkcharmed wrote:

61Mp, if true, are vastly excessive for video. Landscape, architecture, product photography - yes, but with this many megapixels, the native resolution isn't a good fit for video. If it does 8K, it'll be in the crop mode. Sony A7RV does 8K and 4K in the crop mode.

Anyway I think these little discrepancies suggest the rumour is fake. I'll be very happy if it's not.

It is not a big crop having 8K from 61Mp. Extra Mp are also needed for 8K and 4K mode EIS.

Really? 8K video is 32MP, so out goes 50% of the pixels.

Missing the most important feature. I’ll wait for the R5Mark III.   Canon does it in video mode but not in stills mode.  Pure Corporate Evil, I tell you!

Bigger wrote:

Quarkcharmed wrote:

Canon_Guy wrote:

Quarkcharmed wrote:

This is not a video camera. Why an LCD screen 'optimised for video'?

It can be a very good video camera in the right hands. So why not if it does not compromise stills shooting?

61Mp, if true, are vastly excessive for video. Landscape, architecture, product photography - yes, but with this many megapixels, the native resolution isn't a good fit for video. If it does 8K, it'll be in the crop mode. Sony A7RV does 8K and 4K in the crop mode.

Anyway I think these little discrepancies suggest the rumour is fake. I'll be very happy if it's not.

I think 8K standard video would probably be oversampled, since the R5ii is also supposedly getting focus breathing correction. Maybe that's why it needs dual digic processors.

I don't think oversampling is related to focus breathing correction. For corrections you need some small additional margins around the image to get some room for distortions. With oversampling you also capture more than you need but you use that to render a smaller scale image (e.g. you capture 6K but render 4K). Or you capture all 61Mp and then downsample to 8K (39Mp).

If it gets 8K raw video, that would have to be cropped.

If "BSI sensor" is true that means Canon is concerned about the image quality/noise dynamic range, not speed, which I assume would require a stacked sensor. Unless it's both BSI and stacked, which is highly unlikely.

So if those specs are any close to reality, then Canon doesn't target videographers with this camera.

KKnipser wrote:

Hm...

• New 61MP CMOS BSI sensor
• Dual DIGIC X processor
• 30 FPS electronic shutter with tracking / 12 FPS mechanical shutter
• Same 8-stop IBIS
• New High Resolution mode similar to pixel shift shooting found on Sony/Fujifilm
• 2x/4x/8x digital tele-convertor
• Same Dual Pixel CMOS AF II from EOS R3 and EOS R6 Mark II
• Internal 8K 60p video recording (8K RAW video spec to be confirmed)
• Internal 4K 30p/60p/120p video recording (all by oversampling)
• FHD 240p video recording
• Focus breathing correction for video
• New overheat prevention design similar to EOS R6 Mark II, at least 40min for 8K video, and over
• 60 min for 4K video
• Dual CFexpress type B card slot
• Standard HDMI port
• Dual USB-C port
• 9.44M-dot EVF
• New design of vari-angle LCD monitor optimized for video shooting
• Launch time: 2023 Q2

Sounds like the hot stuff.

https://canoncamerarumors.com/canon-eos-r5-mark-ii-rumored-specs-coming-in-q2-2023/

And Sony with their sad sensor tech still is like 3 years behind the R5 Mark I, with slow-mo 7 FPS and 1/10th of a second sensor readout.

And Nikon seems locked into those lagging Sony sensors as well, so there is little hope for stronger competition from there.

The R5-series really continues to lead their market segment by more than one step.

• New 61MP CMOS BSI sensor
•  Not likely because Sony is 61
• .
• Dual DIGIC X processor
• The 1DX series have dual processors not the 5 series so R1 specs
• .
• Internal 8K 60p video recording (8K RAW video spec to be confirmed)
• This is probably R1 specs
• .
• Internal 4K 30p/60p/120p video recording (all by oversampling)
• This is probably R1 specs
• .

MarshallG wrote:

janez wrote:

Quarkcharmed wrote:

61Mp, if true, are vastly excessive for video. Landscape, architecture, product photography - yes, but with this many megapixels, the native resolution isn't a good fit for video. If it does 8K, it'll be in the crop mode. Sony A7RV does 8K and 4K in the crop mode.

Anyway I think these little discrepancies suggest the rumour is fake. I'll be very happy if it's not.

It is not a big crop having 8K from 61Mp. Extra Mp are also needed for 8K and 4K mode EIS.

Really? 8K video is 32MP, so out goes 50% of the pixels.

UHD 8K is 7680 x 4320 and it's 33 Mp, but these dimensions actually require at least a 7680 x 5120 sensor (3:2 aspect ratio) which is 39 Mp.

The R5 uses DCI 8K - 8192 x 4320 which is 35Mp, but the camera has a 8192 x 5464  44.7Mp sensor in 3:2 aspect ratio.

None of that is 32Mp

MarshallG wrote:

janez wrote:

Quarkcharmed wrote:

61Mp, if true, are vastly excessive for video. Landscape, architecture, product photography - yes, but with this many megapixels, the native resolution isn't a good fit for video. If it does 8K, it'll be in the crop mode. Sony A7RV does 8K and 4K in the crop mode.

Anyway I think these little discrepancies suggest the rumour is fake. I'll be very happy if it's not.

It is not a big crop having 8K from 61Mp. Extra Mp are also needed for 8K and 4K mode EIS.

Really? 8K video is 32MP, so out goes 50% of the pixels.

How do you work that out? 8K UHD needs 7,680 wide. A full frame camera has. 3:2 aspect ratio (not the 16:9 of UHD), so that is 7,680 x 5,120 or 39.3 MP.

Generally, 8K for Canon is 8,192 x 5,464 or 44.76MP.

Bigger wrote:

drsnoopy wrote:

What a combination of wild speculation and wish list! Especially the “8x digital teleconverter” which would give an 0.9Mp image - brilliantly imaginative! Whatever next? AI image engine creates the picture instead of you having to go somewhere and take it yourself?

Presumably the digital teleconverter would work with the pixel shift to give higher resolution.

That would be no use with moving subjects.

cfieldgate wrote:

MarshallG wrote:

janez wrote:

Quarkcharmed wrote:

61Mp, if true, are vastly excessive for video. Landscape, architecture, product photography - yes, but with this many megapixels, the native resolution isn't a good fit for video. If it does 8K, it'll be in the crop mode. Sony A7RV does 8K and 4K in the crop mode.

Anyway I think these little discrepancies suggest the rumour is fake. I'll be very happy if it's not.

It is not a big crop having 8K from 61Mp. Extra Mp are also needed for 8K and 4K mode EIS.

Really? 8K video is 32MP, so out goes 50% of the pixels.

How do you work that out? 8K UHD needs 7,680 wide. A full frame camera has. 3:2 aspect ratio (not the 16:9 of UHD), so that is 7,680 x 5,120 or 39.3 MP.

Generally, 8K for Canon is 8,192 x 5,464 or 44.76MP.

An 8K TV is 7,680 horizontal and 4,320, or about 33 MP. In DCI (usually an anamorphic mode), the horizontal is extended but the vertical is not, so it’s 8192 X 4320 (35 MP). I don’t know where you’re getting the 8192x5464 figure, but it’s not in my R5. For all practical purposes, my opinion is the 8K mode that matters is the 8K UHD mode, or 33MP.

I’m not a serious video shooter, and I don’t understand DCI mode well, but I think it’s used with an anamorphic lens for expanding the horizontal our further in digital cinema, like 21:9 maybe?… but I’ve never done any work like that so I don’t know for certain.

Quarkcharmed wrote:

MarshallG wrote:

janez wrote:

Quarkcharmed wrote:

61Mp, if true, are vastly excessive for video. Landscape, architecture, product photography - yes, but with this many megapixels, the native resolution isn't a good fit for video. If it does 8K, it'll be in the crop mode. Sony A7RV does 8K and 4K in the crop mode.

Anyway I think these little discrepancies suggest the rumour is fake. I'll be very happy if it's not.

It is not a big crop having 8K from 61Mp. Extra Mp are also needed for 8K and 4K mode EIS.

Really? 8K video is 32MP, so out goes 50% of the pixels.

UHD 8K is 7680 x 4320 and it's 33 Mp, but these dimensions actually require at least a 7680 x 5120 sensor (3:2 aspect ratio) which is 39 Mp.

The R5 uses DCI 8K - 8192 x 4320 which is 35Mp, but the camera has a 8192 x 5464 44.7Mp sensor in 3:2 aspect ratio.

None of that is 32Mp

Ok, nerd. You win. Serves me right for multiplying 8x4 and not busting out a slide rule before posting something here.

Seriously, though — you make some excellent posts here and you’re a great teacher.

MarshallG wrote:

I don’t know where you’re getting the 8192x5464 figure, but it’s not in my R5.

Which figures are you getting in your R5?? 8192x5464 is the stills (max sensor) resolution.