DSLR lens compareable to FZ1000 ?

[DUBTEMPLE]

I love the Laica lens as found on my FZ200 and sometimes consider to get a FZ1000

But also I simply consider a all-in-one lens solution for my APS-C canon DSLR being on par with the optical performance in FZ1000

Does this exist for Canon DSLR's ?

What lenses exactly could be considered ?

I could live with approx 30-300mm equivalent range, since heavy wide-angle would be a dedicated lens anyway, and missing the possebility going down around 8-10mm on FZ1000 anyway as well

Thanks in advance for any help choosing the DSLR versus FZ1000 route

I ask becourse my experience with wide range zooms for DSLR have been bad back in time, especially the Tamrons was terrible

But In theory it should be possible to make it much better, for a moderate price, and perhaps there is good options today, making my DSLR into the all-in-one solution on Par to FZ1000

 

[Howard V]

Sigma 18-300 seems to work well for this dpreview user. I liked the APS-C sensors in Nikons best. Which model depends on your budget. The D7_ _ _ series gets lots of praise.

 

[Avian2016]

Hi,

There is one lens from Tamron some people praise a lot as a solid walk-all-around DSLR option: new 18-400 model. 22x magnif. and great versatility. Some critics say its a bit soft at tele 400mm end. But after watching the Flickr samples, some videos, and Dustin Abbots' review, I can conclude it could be my DSLR option in combo with, say, Nikon APS-C D7200/7500 body (reaching 600mm; on Canon, say 80D 640mm).

Bottom line: There is no zoom lens without compromises.

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Avian
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[Jon_T]

I love the Laica lens as found on my FZ200 and sometimes consider to get a FZ1000

But also I simply consider a all-in-one lens solution for my APS-C canon DSLR being on par with the optical performance in FZ1000 ...

As to "... on par with the optical performance in FZ1000 ..."

IMHO in a short/ simple answer no.

Of course it's HIGHLY dependent upon how you use your images, and you image quality standards.

Few items to keep in mind:

The Sigma 18-300mm/ Tamron 18-400mm lenses have small f/6.3 max aperture at tele focal. Older DSLR's like your Canon EOS 500D AF's specs/ performance based upon lenses with a max f/5.6 aperture.

Whatever lens corrections (i.e., distortion, CA, vignetting, etc.) your Canon's in-camera JPEG processing does ONLY works with Canon Lenses; ditto with the Canon's DPP software when PP RAW images.

Hence unlike with FZ1000 you'll need to PP JPG images to correct for any lens distortion, CA, vignetting, etc.

Generally for optimum edge-to-edge sharpness from WA through mid-tele focal lengths will need to stop down to f/8.

... Does this exist for Canon DSLR's ? ...

Besides the aforementioned Sigma and Tamron lenses there's the Tamron 16-300mm f/3.5-6.3 Di II VC PZD, and the Canon 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6. One (of many) review HERE. From the review's "Image Quality" link, you can compare Canon 18-200mm with the Sigma and Tamron lenses.

... I could live with approx 30-300mm equivalent range, since heavy wide-angle would be a dedicated lens anyway, ...

One of the reasons I've kept my 70D DSLR to use with my 10-20mm lens when I may need wider FOV than FZ1000's 25mm.

Remember with the Canon's 1.6X crop factor, 18mm has the 28.8mm EFL;
the 10-18mm lens EFL is 16-28.8mm.

If you do not already have a UWA zoom for your Canon, the reviews I've seen for the Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM Lens have been quite good.

Also keep in mind the additional size/ weight of APS-C DSLR with one of the 'all-in-one" zoom lenses.

After using FZ150 and FZ200 over the years occasionally wished the FZ1000 had longer lens; and at times missed the FZ150/ FZ200 "Mon. Shtr Speed". Hence during end of last year's Black Friday sale I bought the RX10 IV.

Good Luck!

Cheers,
Jon

 

[IAMAI]

I love the Laica lens as found on my FZ200 and sometimes consider to get a FZ1000

But also I simply consider a all-in-one lens solution for my APS-C canon DSLR being on par with the optical performance in FZ1000

Does this exist for Canon DSLR's ?

What lenses exactly could be considered ?

I could live with approx 30-300mm equivalent range, since heavy wide-angle would be a dedicated lens anyway, and missing the possebility going down around 8-10mm on FZ1000 anyway as well

Thanks in advance for any help choosing the DSLR versus FZ1000 route

I ask becourse my experience with wide range zooms for DSLR have been bad back in time, especially the Tamrons was terrible

But In theory it should be possible to make it much better, for a moderate price, and perhaps there is good options today, making my DSLR into the all-in-one solution on Par to FZ1000

Canon 80D with Tamron 18-400mm - jpeg SOOC



It is a good everyday lens. Not super great like Canon L glass, but it gets you an equivalent of 28.8 mm to 640 mm on a 1.6x crop factor Canon APSC camera like your 500D. So that's a pretty good walk-around lens. And the pictures can very easily be sharpened a little more using something like FastStone.



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-- Mark --
Flickr page https://www.flickr.com/photos/70985317@N02/sets/with/72157649372884488

 

[IAMAI]

I love the Laica lens as found on my FZ200 and sometimes consider to get a FZ1000

But also I simply consider a all-in-one lens solution for my APS-C canon DSLR being on par with the optical performance in FZ1000 ...

As to "... on par with the optical performance in FZ1000 ..."

IMHO in a short/ simple answer no.

I have to agree with you there. I have taken out my Canon 80D and my FZ1000 at the same time with both around my neck. In good light the FZ1000 is sharper because the noise decreases in good light. In poor light the Canon is a little better.

I think a lot of people don't realize how good the lens is in the Panasonic FZ1000. If it wasn't for the noise in the smaller 1" sensor it would easily beat all the Canon APSC gear I have, and it's a heck of a lot cheaper.

Of course it's HIGHLY dependent upon how you use your images, and you image quality standards.

Few items to keep in mind:

The Sigma 18-300mm/ Tamron 18-400mm lenses have small f/6.3 max aperture at tele focal. Older DSLR's like your Canon EOS 500D AF's specs/ performance based upon lenses with a max f/5.6 aperture.

Whatever lens corrections (i.e., distortion, CA, vignetting, etc.) your Canon's in-camera JPEG processing does ONLY works with Canon Lenses; ditto with the Canon's DPP software when PP RAW images.

Hence unlike with FZ1000 you'll need to PP JPG images to correct for any lens distortion, CA, vignetting, etc.

That's another good point you mention. You also need to load lens profiles into your DSLR, and then you have to calibrate your different lenses for maximum performance. You don't have to worry about any of that with the Panasonic.

Generally for optimum edge-to-edge sharpness from WA through mid-tele focal lengths will need to stop down to f/8.

... Does this exist for Canon DSLR's ? ...

Besides the aforementioned Sigma and Tamron lenses there's the Tamron 16-300mm f/3.5-6.3 Di II VC PZD, and the Canon 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6. One (of many) review HERE. From the review's "Image Quality" link, you can compare Canon 18-200mm with the Sigma and Tamron lenses.

... I could live with approx 30-300mm equivalent range, since heavy wide-angle would be a dedicated lens anyway, ...

One of the reasons I've kept my 70D DSLR to use with my 10-20mm lens when I may need wider FOV than FZ1000's 25mm.

Remember with the Canon's 1.6X crop factor, 18mm has the 28.8mm EFL;
the 10-18mm lens EFL is 16-28.8mm.

If you do not already have a UWA zoom for your Canon, the reviews I've seen for the Canon EF-S 10-18mm f/4.5-5.6 IS STM Lens have been quite good.

I have it and agree it is a nice lens but mine has a small amount of vignetting in the corners at the 10-11 mm range.

Also keep in mind the additional size/ weight of APS-C DSLR with one of the 'all-in-one" zoom lenses.

After using FZ150 and FZ200 over the years occasionally wished the FZ1000 had longer lens; and at times missed the FZ150/ FZ200 "Mon. Shtr Speed". Hence during end of last year's Black Friday sale I bought the RX10 IV.

Good Luck!

Cheers,
Jon

 

[Jack42]

you may get a nikon d7200 new for 580 euros and buy a Nikon lens AF-P DX 70-300 mm f/4.5-6.3G ED VR lens that gives you 450 mm , that lens is cheap but sharp and fast and very sharp from f8 aperture , this is what i use together with my fz1000 in my bag but i cant go out without my fz 1000 and when i am tired with the fz1000 i use the fz300 together with the nikon d7200 with that lens .

 

[ANAYV]

you may get a nikon d7200 new for 580 euros and buy a Nikon lens AF-P DX 70-300 mm f/4.5-6.3G ED VR lens that gives you 450 mm , that lens is cheap but sharp and fast and very sharp from f8 aperture , this is what i use together with my fz1000 in my bag but i cant go out without my fz 1000 and when i am tired with the fz1000 i use the fz300 together with the nikon d7200 with that lens .

I Would agree. That AF P lens is very sharp!

I most always shoot at f8.

I don't think one lens will match the FZ1000 lens.

I sold my FZ1000....I don't miss it...though I really liked it. Had it for three years.

Now, I enjoy a OVF, fast enough AF for BIF, able to shoot in low light with better results..and even a bit less bulky. Also much better battery life...and ability to control DOF

I think one would need a two lens kit to match the FZ1000 lens.

I'm using a D3400...and also an older D300s.

ANAYV

 

[DUBTEMPLE]

Thanks a lot for taking the time, all good and helpful replyes !!!

Not that the considerations has been much easyer

But now I certainly knows a little better how to make my choice

In general, I am tired of my bridge-cameras being worn out in 2-3-4 years time typically

Just as I get used to it ,.. I am not the fastest animal in the forest ,.. so its a pain really

My DSLR things always last me 10+ years in contrary

And if a house or a lens should fail me I can always replace just on thing, for something new, or for the same thing once again,...

 

[Jon_T]

you may get a nikon d7200 new for 580 euros and buy a Nikon lens AF-P DX 70-300 mm f/4.5-6.3G ED VR lens that gives you 450 mm , that lens is cheap but sharp and fast and very sharp from f8 aperture , this is what i use together with my fz1000 in my bag but i cant go out without my fz 1000 and when i am tired with the fz1000 i use the fz300 together with the nikon d7200 with that lens .

I Would agree. That AF P lens is very sharp!

I most always shoot at f8.

I don't think one lens will match the FZ1000 lens. ...

Actually to match the convenience a camera like the FZ1000 (bridge-type w/ long zoom lens) would. i.e., avoid switching lenses) need one camera with a WA to mid-tele (e.g., 24-70mm EFL) and a second camera with a tele-zoom lens (e.g., 70-300mm EFL).

What I've been doing since 35mm SLR film cameras.

Prior to getting the FZ1000, my general purpose/ travel setup was the:
70D with EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM (24-136mm EFL), and
60D with the EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS STM (88-400mm EFL).

These two lenses provided the overall 24-400mm EFL. With the two bodies never had to hassle with lens switching, worry about missing a shot due switching lenses, or dust intrusion into camera while switching lenses.

The EF-S 15-85mm (24-136) a great walk around/ travel lens. One caveat is if one has a older Canon DSLR that it's in-camera JPG processing does not have barrel/ CA lens corrections best to shoot RAW and use free Canon DPP software to do the lens corrections.

Cheers,
Jon

 

[CoHiker]

I’ve tried quite a few alternatives in the past. In general an all in one like the Tamron 18-400 will be the closest you can come to the FZ1000 in terms of sharpness and range. The older Tamron and Sigma lenses are inferior in image quality and functionality. That said, the main disadvantage of a DSLR + all in one is size and weight. They are seriously bigger and heavier than the FZ1000, so much so that I gave up on the idea. Also the limited AF systems of cheaper DSLRs is super frustrating, and going back to an OVF was a major step backwards. I hate having to review your images on an LCD to make sure the exposure was right. I have never before had so many overexposed images in my life. Using a DSLR made me realize why so many people are fixated with settings: it’s because they can’t see what they’re doing before it’s done!

 

[DUBTEMPLE]

I’ve tried quite a few alternatives in the past. In general an all in one like the Tamron 18-400 will be the closest you can come to the FZ1000 in terms of sharpness and range. The older Tamron and Sigma lenses are inferior in image quality and functionality. That said, the main disadvantage of a DSLR + all in one is size and weight. They are seriously bigger and heavier than the FZ1000, so much so that I gave up on the idea. Also the limited AF systems of cheaper DSLRs is super frustrating, and going back to an OVF was a major step backwards. I hate having to review your images on an LCD to make sure the exposure was right. I have never before had so many overexposed images in my life. Using a DSLR made me realize why so many people are fixated with settings: it’s because they can’t see what they’re doing before it’s done!

Thanks for reply ,.... since I wrote OP the choice was made to go the FZ1000 way:

https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62743265 ,.... So far it looks very good

Like you said the older sigma/tamrons I found terrible, and I am very sceptical that the new ones will STILL not make me smile realy (though they are likely much better)

Picking the FZ1000 now leaves me with ultra-wide and extreme-tele area not covered

Got an Raynox 5072 fisheye that matches FZ1000 well for 4K video, but for good stills -I still got better results with my EF-S 10-18mm kit-lens on my Canon 500D DSLR, so I will carry this combo and some primes like the 50mm/1.2 with me alongside the FZ1000 sometimes, rather than the Raynox 5072,..... I guess

As for the Tele end ,.. my FZ80 did deeply disappoint me ,.. I will test my old teleconverter I used with the FZ200, the Nikon TC-E17ED, maybe on the FZ1000 with some sort of support

But at the extreme tele-end I don't know yet, unless TC-E17ED goes well with FZ1000

Considered one of the new 150-600mm types for my 500D, but I am a little afraid that they suffer the same lack of IQ that the 18-400mm types still does

FZ200 with a TC-E17ED is hard to beat ,.. I know that ,... becourse my wife got the Canon 7D and the classic 5.6/400mm ,.. perfect in certain special situations ,.. and if you have time to lens-change and the possebility to carry the heavy load all day

But at the end of the day FZ200 + teleconverter will have produced more "keepers" in general, from out in the wilderness

But the FZ200 is worn out now

Maybe a FZ300 just for MC-trips, day trips, mountain-hikes, and tele with the converter