An $80 solution to your need for a 200mm lens

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I see a continuing range of questions here, people wondering which of several $1000-$2000 lenses they should buy.

I’d like to propose something may have slipped off the forum since the availability of so many FE lenses: There are a lot of quality old lenses from the film era that can be adapted for use on the latest A7 series cameras.

Example: a Canon FDn 200mm f4 lens I purchased for $64 on eBay.

Now, I tend to shoot it on a TechArt Pro autofocus adapter. But the reality is, on an A7 series with IBIS, a $15 dumb adapter works just as well.

Now, is it better than a $2000 GM lens? Unlikely. Is it good enough for you? Let the images answer that.

All of the zoo images were shot through plexiglas at the Stone Zoo in MA:

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Now, some from a recent trip to Croatia:

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And two from St Mark’s Square in Venice:

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Is the $64 solution good enough for you? Perhaps, perhaps not. But I traveled for almost a month in Italy and Croatia, and rarely found an occasion to want a 200mm lens. Spending $2000 or more for a GM would not have increased the likelihood I’d feel the need for a 200mm lens.

PS: ignore the EXIF indication of lens focal length. The TechArt Pro doesn’t really need the EXIF programming to work well at all focal lengths, and it has a bug that reports all lenses as a Sony DT lens. I assigned C3 on my A7III to pick the IBIS setting I want, and that’s all. I shot only a 15mm Voigtlander and the Canon 200mm on the TechArt - and I can tell the which images were shot with which lenses without the EXIF!
 
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Amazing, that zoo has a homosapien exhibit, that one looks happy behind the plexiglass..
You should visit their Children’s Zoo. They have the worlds largest collection of wild and exotic children..... ;)
 
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Nice pictures!

I have a few legacy lenses that I use with “dumb” adapters. I enjoy using them. For things that I use 200mm for (indoor sports) I need decent AF, but for most other things a 200mm like that would work for me.
 
At least they are not discriminating when locking up prisoners and took one human into custody.
 
Nice! Looks a little bit like my $15 solution to the need for a 135mm lens. ;-)

For me native lenses [on various systems] have now taken over for UWA, fast primes and macro applications. These telephoto lengths are the final holdout.
 
Amazing, that zoo has a homosapien exhibit, that one looks happy behind the plexiglass..
Read the post again

"Now, some from a recent trip to Croatia:"

He's a Welch traveler I met in Split.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can offer a snarky comment without reading a post.
 
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Nice pictures!

I have a few legacy lenses that I use with “dumb” adapters. I enjoy using them. For things that I use 200mm for (indoor sports) I need decent AF, but for most other things a 200mm like that would work for me.
Agree re sports - but you could count on one hand the number of action sports images we see in a month on the forum.

The TechArt works very well on the 200mm, as long as the focus range isn't very great, and within the 4.1mm travel of the adapter. Traveling with my partner, I tend to use the TechArt just because it speeds up my shooting.
 
Nice! Looks a little bit like my $15 solution to the need for a 135mm lens. ;-)

For me native lenses [on various systems] have now taken over for UWA, fast primes and macro applications. These telephoto lengths are the final holdout.
Agree...and the 135mm lenses got the majority of accessory-lens consideration in the film era. So many are plentiful and cheap.

Below, a few with my Canon FD 135mm f2.8 from the Biltmore Estate gardens in Asheville, NC.

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I just don't understand the interest in people paying so darn much for lenses they can easily duplicate for relative pennies.

I love and heavily use my 15mm f4.5 Series III and now, reluctantly, I must admit my Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 RXD matches the performance of my Zony FE 35mm f2.8 and even my 50mm f2 Summicron-M at those focal lengths.

I'd rather take the money for GM lenses and take trips like the month in Italy and Croatia from which I just returned. I pump every expense I can through my Capital One card to pay for airlines. The price of one GM lens about covers the cost of Airbnb's for a month.
 
Amazing, that zoo has a homosapien exhibit, that one looks happy behind the plexiglass..
Read the post again

"Now, some from a recent trip to Croatia:"

He's a Welch traveler I met in Split.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can offer a snarky comment without reading a post.
You seem to have that animal attraction.. Ain't Lion bout that. Those photos are for the birds too
 
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Nice pictures!

I have a few legacy lenses that I use with “dumb” adapters. I enjoy using them. For things that I use 200mm for (indoor sports) I need decent AF, but for most other things a 200mm like that would work for me.
Agree re sports - but you could count on one hand the number of action sports images we see in a month on the forum.
True, but you’d need 1500 hands to count the number that I usually shoot in a month, and that’s just me. Most do not post many (if any) pictures here.

But I do enjoy using MF lenses for general photography, out in the backcountry, etc.
 
Amazing, that zoo has a homosapien exhibit, that one looks happy behind the plexiglass..
Read the post again

"Now, some from a recent trip to Croatia:"

He's a Welch traveler I met in Split.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can offer a snarky comment without reading a post.
You seem to have that animal attraction.. Ain't Lion bout that. Those photos are for the birds too
Better than the photos in your gallery.
 
Nice pictures!

I have a few legacy lenses that I use with “dumb” adapters. I enjoy using them. For things that I use 200mm for (indoor sports) I need decent AF, but for most other things a 200mm like that would work for me.
Agree re sports - but you could count on one hand the number of action sports images we see in a month on the forum.
True, but you’d need 1500 hands to count the number that I usually shoot in a month, and that’s just me. Most do not post many (if any) pictures here.

But I do enjoy using MF lenses for general photography, out in the backcountry, etc.
That's great - there were periods in my life when I was shooting a lot of action sports.

"Most do not post many (if any) pictures here."

I like to see the photos of people who offer opinions and criticism here. Jim Kasson's opinions are credible because he has a rich gallery of images.

As for those who don't post photos - not even gallery images - Texans have an analogy for those kinds of photographers:

"All hat, no cattle."
 
As for those who don't post photos - not even gallery images - Texans have an analogy for those kinds of photographers:

"All hat, no cattle."
I enjoy seeing people post their photos as well. But there are a great many outstanding photographers out there who do not post their images here. It’s not necessarily because their work has no substance.
 
Amazing, that zoo has a homosapien exhibit, that one looks happy behind the plexiglass..
Read the post again

"Now, some from a recent trip to Croatia:"

He's a Welch traveler I met in Split.

It never ceases to amaze me how people can offer a snarky comment without reading a post.
You seem to have that animal attraction.. Ain't Lion bout that. Those photos are for the birds too
Better than the photos in your gallery.
If you think you are a good photographer then you are.
 
Another good and cheap option is the Nikon 200/4 AI/AI-S. The older non AI 200/4 Q/QC is bigger and heavier. The latest of those non AI versions is OK optically. The earlier versions are so-so optically but they may not be easy to distinguish if one doesn't have access to a series number table. The safe bet will be to get an AI or AI-S.
 
Now, I tend to shoot it on a TechArt Pro autofocus adapter. But the reality is, on an A7 series with IBIS, a $15 dumb adapter works just as well.
Great lens and shots, but no, manual focus does not work anywhere near as well as autofocus for most people. It's a completely different style of shooting.
 
Now, I tend to shoot it on a TechArt Pro autofocus adapter. But the reality is, on an A7 series with IBIS, a $15 dumb adapter works just as well.
Great lens and shots, but no, manual focus does not work anywhere near as well as autofocus for most people. It's a completely different style of shooting.
Agreed... but it doesn't work for most people because most people don't take the trouble to learn the basics of focusing. Like people who don't think they need to learn manual transmissions until they travel abroad and find 99% of rental cars are manual... or their AF dies when they're traveling (as happened to me with a Nikon 18-200 zoom in my pre-Sony days.

When I got my first Sony - an NEX-6 - and tried to use my Leica lenses with a dumb adapter, I was appalled at how much my MF and handholding skills had atrophied from my Leica M4P and Canon F1 days, as a result of Nikon AF and VR. So as I watched the evening news, for days, I practiced regaining those focus and hand-holding skills from the film era.

i love IBIS, and I ***LOVE*** my TechArt Pro and the adapters that let me AF all my Canon and Nikon MF lenses. But before I had those aids, i was still shooting long lenses with dumb adapters:

Canon FD 100-300mm f5.6 lens, hand held (braced), MF
Canon FD 100-300mm f5.6 lens, hand held (braced), MF

Canon FDn 85mm f1.2L
Canon FDn 85mm f1.2L

Nikon 80-200mm f2.8 AFD-ED
Nikon 80-200mm f2.8 AFD-ED

It just takes a bit of practice. In the film era, we shot everything MF, even with long lenses.

Shot in 1960 with a Leica IIIa, 135mm pre-WWII Hektor [EXIF shows the D70/Nikon Micro-Nikkor of my copy stand]
Shot in 1960 with a Leica IIIa, 135mm pre-WWII Hektor [EXIF shows the D70/Nikon Micro-Nikkor of my copy stand]

Since we ALL used to shoot MF in the film era, ANYONE can still do it in the digital era - as the popularity of Loxia and Samyang/Rokinon/Laowa lenses illustrate.
 
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I see a continuing range of questions here, people wondering which of several $1000-$2000 lenses they should buy.

I’d like to propose something may have slipped off the forum since the availability of so many FE lenses: There are a lot of quality old lenses from the film era that can be adapted for use on the latest A7 series cameras.

Example: a Canon FDn 200mm f4 lens I purchased for $64 on eBay.

Now, I tend to shoot it on a TechArt Pro autofocus adapter. But the reality is, on an A7 series with IBIS, a $15 dumb adapter works just as well.

Now, is it better than a $2000 GM lens? Unlikely. Is it good enough for you? Let the images answer that.

All of the zoo images were shot through plexiglas at the Stone Zoo in MA:

29f6ae052baf4c29908329381a61c3a9.jpg

fdb35ad7959542dbbf41870bb09730d7.jpg

07a600a5551a4aa68b9ea41c8fb481e0.jpg

62157e63e31e4297be9caca3ecedcbf9.jpg

eca2cf312385425fa19609c83bce0557.jpg

Now, some from a recent trip to Croatia:

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6a0e78076acf45d39a43ed8abe2dbcdc.jpg

3a9a0e36fe194e4fb541ce9a62b0581b.jpg

62b13ca97e9e4183ab651a8c603fc9e7.jpg

947c56a28d854969af94559dfb6a3b4e.jpg

And two from St Mark’s Square in Venice:

0737eb888a9d4489bc3de30329322572.jpg

48ac345dadcd47778a8fee0f4e411db1.jpg

Is the $64 solution good enough for you? Perhaps, perhaps not. But I traveled for almost a month in Italy and Croatia, and rarely found an occasion to want a 200mm lens. Spending $2000 or more for a GM would not have increased the likelihood I’d feel the need for a 200mm lens.

PS: ignore the EXIF indication of lens focal length. The TechArt Pro doesn’t really need the EXIF programming to work well at all focal lengths, and it has a bug that reports all lenses as a Sony DT lens. I assigned C3 on my A7III to pick the IBIS setting I want, and that’s all. I shot only a 15mm Voigtlander and the Canon 200mm on the TechArt - and I can tell the which images were shot with which lenses without the EXIF!
Well you've sold me on the lens. Nice shots!
 

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