Biggest Problem with NEX cameras

[Nell27]

I don't complain too much about problems with the NEX cameras because overall I think they're pretty good but Sony needs to do something about the indoor white balance issue.

The NEX cameras are the wost I've seen and pictures posted on this forum prove the point.

It's terrible to have to set a custom white balance (and hope for the best) every time you take a picture with incandescent lighting.

Shooting raw is only a band-aid and not the answer, because most modern day cameras get the white balance very close.

What's really amazing is that many people, posting to this forum, seem to be proud of their yellow pictures.

 

[viking79]

Are you talking about with factory lenses or adapted lenses?

Adapted lenses won't have as good of white balance straight from the camera usually.

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[sfoskett]

I thought the biggest problem with the NEX cameras was the anti-NEX backlash they constantly provoke... :-D

Seriously, though, I just make it a habit to set a custom white balance whenever and wherever I am. Problem solved?

I'd say the lack of a microphone input, the "joy" of no-viewfinder shooting, the confounding menu system, and the slow contrast-based auto-focus are bigger issues than the white balance. But most of these are solved by the NEX-5N, NEX-7, and LA-EA2.

Personally, I like my NEX and don't know why folks need constantly to bash the camera.

 

[El Matadurr]

Personally, I like my NEX and don't know why folks need constantly to bash the camera.

They don't want to admit that the NEX series (namely the NEX-7) is the closest thing to a fully modular digital back for any lens or situation you can dream of. m4/3's doesn't have a PDAF adapter.

looking forward to liking my NEX-7 here in a couple weeks as well. Going to turn it into a sports camera. Can't wait to post pictures on here with it to argue my point.

 

[D Cox]

I don't complain too much about problems with the NEX cameras because overall I think they're pretty good but Sony needs to do something about the indoor white balance issue.

The NEX cameras are the wost I've seen and pictures posted on this forum prove the point.

It's terrible to have to set a custom white balance (and hope for the best) every time you take a picture with incandescent lighting.

Shooting raw is only a band-aid and not the answer, because most modern day cameras get the white balance very close.

What's really amazing is that many people, posting to this forum, seem to be proud of their yellow pictures.

This is what makes me think that Sony have under-corrected tungsten lighting on purpose - they must have done a survey and found that most people prefer a very warm balance for tungsten lamps.

After all, pink or orange lamp shades are quite common.

 

[hellocrowley]

I've gotta agree with you there. Auto WB is an issue that I didn't know I had, until I switched back to my Canon gears. All indoor pics suddenly looked so much better. Granted I only shoot portraits when I'm indoor.

I think Sony tries to accurately recreate the indoor lightning, but portraits need flattering colors imo. For this reason alone I'm really looking forward to the Fuji XPro1.

Many will tell you to use RAW, but this is 2012 and I dont really have much time for PP. I'd rather spend that time shooting and chilling with my family.

 

[portishead2]

You can fix white balance. You cannot fix missed focus shots, motion blur, grainy dark photos or overexposure. Sure you can make better adjustments, but white balance is usually the most simple fix there is.

 

[Nell27]

I'd say the lack of a microphone input, the "joy" of no-viewfinder shooting, the confounding menu system, and the slow contrast-based auto-focus are bigger issues than the white balance.

These are features each person should have known about before buying their cameras.

These aren't defects but the white balance problem is a defect.

 

[pabloman]

Yeeeeey!

I love you dude!!!

Finally somebody else than me said to the majority of the forum that they're colorblind, too.

However, you know, that you will be called a troll now, don't you ?>

 

[hellocrowley]

I'd say the lack of a microphone input, the "joy" of no-viewfinder shooting, the confounding menu system, and the slow contrast-based auto-focus are bigger issues than the white balance.

These are features each person should have known about before buying their cameras.

These aren't defects but the white balance problem is a defect.

I wouldn't call it a "defect". Different systems have different colors tweaked for different purposes. Check out this article to see why http://www.kenrockwell.com/fuji/s5/color.htm

You gotta stay reasonable if you want to be taken seriously.

 

[pabloman]

The issue is not only with indoor lighting...

which, btw. is terrible in all cases, not just the tungsten part of the spectrum.

WB on the NEXes is way off in all situations. It is greenish and more yellow than you perceive with your eye.

Look what great job the new FUJIs are doing in even their OOC JPEGs. And of course, my 2yr old Oly EP1 gives brilliant colors compared to that mess you get from the NEX!

Not to mention that with the 5N you maybe get better color from the JPEGs from the camera, but if you want quality and are willing to develop RAWs,

THERE JUST IS NO WAY YOU GET THE SAME COLORS FROM THE RAW as from the SOOC JPEGs.

SONY, LISTEN TO US FINALLY!

 

[pabloman]

Exactly, you can see the same thing we're talking about.

Even ren kockwell noticed it long ago. Nikon with it's SONY sensors likes to go yellowish and green.

Fuji looks best again.

That is not a different approach to colors. That is just bad!

 

[papillon_65]

I don't complain too much about problems with the NEX cameras because overall I think they're pretty good but Sony needs to do something about the indoor white balance issue.

The NEX cameras are the wost I've seen and pictures posted on this forum prove the point.

It's terrible to have to set a custom white balance (and hope for the best) every time you take a picture with incandescent lighting.

Shooting raw is only a band-aid and not the answer, because most modern day cameras get the white balance very close.

Not in my experience, many cameras struggle with indoor lighting, it's a fact of life unfortunately. It's not difficult to correct so not really a huge issue for most people. I find the 5n to be very good in terms of white balance in most situations to be honest.

What's really amazing is that many people, posting to this forum, seem to be proud of their yellow pictures.

Bit of an uncalled for generalisation IMHO. There are plenty of inexperienced users with these cameras, we've all had to start somewhere, making mistakes is how you learn.
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[Nell27]

Personally, I like my NEX and don't know why folks need constantly to bash the camera.

They don't want to admit that the NEX series (namely the NEX-7) is the closest thing to a fully modular digital back for any lens or situation you can dream of. m4/3's doesn't have a PDAF adapter.

looking forward to liking my NEX-7 here in a couple weeks as well. Going to turn it into a sports camera. Can't wait to post pictures on here with it to argue my point.

Pointing out a defect with a camera shouldn't be considered "bashing" the camera.

If all you want to hear are good things then you're probably wasting your time reading forums because you're bound to run into some ignorant person, like me, who will have something negative to say.

Naturally, if you're main desire is to join an admiration society and interact with like minded people then you'll be able to find many here who are the same as you.

 

[Nell27]

I wouldn't call it a "defect". Different systems have different colors tweaked for different purposes. Check out this article to see why http://www.kenrockwell.com/fuji/s5/color.htm

You gotta stay reasonable if you want to be taken seriously.

My friend, I didn't read what Ken has to say but I need to give you some free advice.

If You want to be taken seriously never quote Ken Rockwell.

 

[john-photoguy]

mine is that i am still shooting with the NEX3, not the NEX7. Problem should be solved soon ;-)
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[hellocrowley]

I wouldn't call it a "defect". Different systems have different colors tweaked for different purposes. Check out this article to see why http://www.kenrockwell.com/fuji/s5/color.htm

You gotta stay reasonable if you want to be taken seriously.

My friend, I didn't read what Ken has to say but I need to give you some free advice.

If You want to be taken seriously never quote Ken Rockwell.

I'm quite familiar with the dpreview sentiments toward Kenrockwell. I am not a fan of his either. However he had some good points in this article and you can't dismiss them until you read it.

You know, I was supporting your topic at the beginning but now I think you're just trolling.

 

[harvey_tbee]

Many will tell you to use RAW, but this is 2012 and I dont really have much time for PP. I'd rather spend that time shooting and chilling with my family.

Yes, in 2012 you should quit shooting JPEG's. Memory is cheap, PP is easy (and so much better than what the camera does), and why invest heavily in a camera that registrates a lot and throw away 90% of what it saw?

And to give you some help: did you try to get the white balance by hand, by taking a picture of a white or grey board first?
I can't help you much further: I'm colour blind and never bother ;-)

 

[hellocrowley]

Many will tell you to use RAW, but this is 2012 and I dont really have much time for PP. I'd rather spend that time shooting and chilling with my family.

Yes, in 2012 you should quit shooting JPEG's. Memory is cheap, PP is easy (and so much better than what the camera does), and why invest heavily in a camera that registrates a lot and throw away 90% of what it saw?

And to give you some help: did you try to get the white balance by hand, by taking a picture of a white or grey board first?
I can't help you much further: I'm colour blind and never bother ;-)

Expensive memory card was never a problem with shooting RAW. The problem is time and efforts.

I know many people here set out to be the next Magnum photogs, but I'm more of a set and forget (shoot & feel good?) guy. I got great results from my Nex + Leica combo but I was constantly fiddling in PP. When I switched back to Canon, the most PP I do is cropping, sometimes mild leveling.

It's 2012 and all cameras should know how to give us good JPEGs.

 

[Nell27]

I'm quite familiar with the dpreview sentiments toward Kenrockwell. I am not a fan of his either. However he had some good points in this article and you can't dismiss them until you read it.

You know, I was supporting your topic at the beginning but now I think you're just trolling.

I apologize if I've offended you.

There's nothing wrong with Ken Rockwell's site provided you take it for what it's intended to be. Entertainment.

What Ken Rockwell says today will eventually be contradicted by Ken Rockwell himself.

If you read his home page you'll understand that Ken doesn't want people to believe everything he says.

I have nothing against him or his site but would still caution people about quoting him.