Goodbye Nikon...

I'm happy for you. I'm going to try my luck with the Canon Digital Rebel with their 50mm 1.4 and see what happens. I still love my N90s, but I always go by first impressions with cameras and lenses, and unfortunately, the D70 didn't work out for me. I have a couple of stunning pictures from the D70, but most were backfocused, even stopped down. Oh well, Best of luck!

Ken

If you bought the camera, and you are not satified, just return it and buy another. It's no use to tell us about it, what can we do? We are making photographs.

Goodluck

ken213 said:

As much as I hate to say goodbye, I cannot deal with a camera that
backfocuses! I refuse to repair a new camera just bought! And I'm
not going to keep thowing the dice until I hit a winner!

Nikon better fix this QC problem pronto, or a lot of other people
with the D70 will be abandoning ship!

Backfocus occured with 50mm 1.4D at all apertures in all shooting
modes! I heard about this problem before I bought the D70, but I
thought it just wouldn't happen to me. Now I know!

Ken

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then I suppose that I shouldn't defend his rights !

Corren said:

First off, I bet he doesn't even have a d70...Sounds like a Pebgac
to me.

(Problem exists between ground and camera).

ken213 said:

As much as I hate to say goodbye, I cannot deal with a camera that
backfocuses! I refuse to repair a new camera just bought! And I'm
not going to keep thowing the dice until I hit a winner!

Nikon better fix this QC problem pronto, or a lot of other people
with the D70 will be abandoning ship!

Backfocus occured with 50mm 1.4D at all apertures in all shooting
modes! I heard about this problem before I bought the D70, but I
thought it just wouldn't happen to me. Now I know!

Ken

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no back focus problems there.

I know the 50mm 1.4 has sometimes to be recalibrated with DSLR's ...

Might not be the D70 itself ...

ken213 said:

As much as I hate to say goodbye, I cannot deal with a camera that
backfocuses! I refuse to repair a new camera just bought! And I'm
not going to keep thowing the dice until I hit a winner!

Nikon better fix this QC problem pronto, or a lot of other people
with the D70 will be abandoning ship!

Backfocus occured with 50mm 1.4D at all apertures in all shooting
modes! I heard about this problem before I bought the D70, but I
thought it just wouldn't happen to me. Now I know!

Ken

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rabsparks said:

I agree that it's damned frustrating to buy a new camera and then
have to send it back for repair. The last 35mm camera I bought was
a Nikon F3 and I don't remember how many years ago that was.

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No backfocus issues with the F3, eh? - definately would have been user error (mine was stolen).

rabsparks said:

But it was before the entire photographic process became dependent
upon a chip or two or three. The only need for DC power in the F3
was to run the metering system. Everything else was mechanical (I
think).

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My Nikon F doesn't even need batteries to shoot a pic. The F4 was my first AF camera, and I didn't trust AF yet, and manually focused for several years without thinking anything of it.

Now you rarely see any cameras without AF.

Gregory

ken213 said:

As much as I hate to say goodbye, I cannot deal with a camera that
backfocuses! I refuse to repair a new camera just bought! And I'm
not going to keep thowing the dice until I hit a winner!

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I personally don't think needing to leave the camera would be huge deal. I think I might end up, having had my camera individually serviced, with one that is calibrated and tested better than would be possible under mass production. But then I am a little bit of an optimist.

ken213 said:

Nikon better fix this QC problem pronto, or a lot of other people
with the D70 will be abandoning ship!

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ken213 said:

Backfocus occured with 50mm 1.4D at all apertures in all shooting
modes! I heard about this problem before I bought the D70, but I
thought it just wouldn't happen to me. Now I know!

Ken

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If you gamble, you lose... I think one should instead ask himself, knowing that there is a possibility of a problem, whether the pros outweigh the cons. I personally think that if D70 turn out to be the great camera I am expecting, eventually needing to leave it in fot calibration is a reasonable price to pay.

I have seen a single issue being blown out of proportions in other forums before, and I think most people are able to keep their heads cold and keep things in perspedtive. I doubt that there will be any significant number of people who will have thir minds made up based on this single issue.

If you really hate to say goodbye to your D70, I don't think you should need to do so. However, we two apparently see things in a different light, and you must do whatever makes you happy.

I had a very simple test (I'm not sure I didn't say this already). I took a tissue and fold it in a piramid shape and marked an big X with a marker on its tip.

I went to the camera shop and took a picture of the tissue on a horisontal surface. I focused on its highest (tip) point. I took the card, put it in the laptop there and checked. You can easily see which area is in focus. The advantage of a simple tissue is that a) it is not glossy and gives less errors, b) you can have it in your pocket.

Another basic test is to take a portrait picture and focus on the nose (say). Check if the other areas are in focus (such as eyebrows, ears, etc) and check if details (small hairs, pores) are OK.

Then go home and enjoy your camera.

Don't buy the Rebel - picture quality is good but it doesn't even give you the basic flash compensation. The D70 has Nikon's BEST metering (colour 3d) and flash systems (even better than D1X for instance) which you don't get in any other camera yet (apart from the D2H obviously). Also, the single point metering is very important.

Don't let a bad experience ruin all your photo experiences in the next months in which you'll need to use the rebel.

My strong advice - if you don't want the D70 buy the 10 D !

good luck,

Adrian

http://www.pbase.com/adriank

Thats why when someone comes out and says goodbye there is little to really say or do but aknowledge the goodbye.

If it were a request for "how can I solve this problem?" it would be different. Even then people are being very generous when they play the tech support rep for Nikon since it really is Nikons duty to respond and in turn the buyers responsabilty to give Nikon a chance to solve it.

Basdically I think if a camera does have a real issue after just purchasing it a user should probably send it back and request a full refund including postage. If they want to allow Nikon to fix it, and it turns out to have a real issue, Nikon should pay the shipping both ways.

Of course, it is amazing though how many trolls frequent these forums. So when someone says, goodbye instead of thinking about leaving, I usually read what the complaint is and the action they have taken, if its none and they have not tried to help themselves, my reply will be slightly antoganistic as is the case for many others.

So Ken, more violin music for you, its all I have to offer you at this point. You said it well, you basically refuse to help yourself with any other solution than saying goodbye.

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Ken,

Do you have any pictures that you would like to share that demonstrate your problem? Also, what was your serial number? Lastly, I also had a bad 1st D70 from Ritz and they exchanged it with no objections at all. I now am happy with my selection of dealer and camera.

CCPandQ

ken213 said:

As much as I hate to say goodbye, I cannot deal with a camera that
backfocuses! I refuse to repair a new camera just bought! And I'm
not going to keep thowing the dice until I hit a winner!

Nikon better fix this QC problem pronto, or a lot of other people
with the D70 will be abandoning ship!

Backfocus occured with 50mm 1.4D at all apertures in all shooting
modes! I heard about this problem before I bought the D70, but I
thought it just wouldn't happen to me. Now I know!

Ken

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ken213 said:

I'm happy for you. I'm going to try my luck with the Canon Digital
Rebel with their 50mm 1.4 and see what happens. I still love my
N90s, but I always go by first impressions with cameras and lenses,
and unfortunately, the D70 didn't work out for me. I have a couple
of stunning pictures from the D70, but most were backfocused, even
stopped down. Oh well, Best of luck!

Ken

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Sorry the D70 didn't work out, if you go with the Canon rebel I advise you not to leave it laying around at any childrens birthday parties... it can be easily misjudged to be an inexpensive, low quality knock off... the plastic lens and cheap toy like body scream "my first camera" ( some five year old will think you got it for them)... but on the bright side it takes good pics and the prudent use of low quality plastic makes it light... to bad most of the features are disabled... don't get me wrong you were considerate enough to let us know you had enough... good luck

Yes! What a great camera that is!

I keep it in my bag all the time together with my FM2. With a 35mm and a 50mm AIS Nikkor.

Would you know, I left my digital camera home during last week's holiday. And actually, I liked it I have far less pictures, but the average quality is much higher. It's a matter of think before you shoot instead of shoot and think later

Dodi

wetsleet said:

no back focus problems there.

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I only tried this combo, but I didn't want to send in a brand new camera to get fixed. It should arrive fixed. It breaks my heart. I love my N90s. I wish I would have read Phil Askey's review of the combo before I bought it. He says the Canon 300D/50 1.4 does not backfocus, so I'll probably try this next.

All the best,

Ken

P.S. Great gallery, by the way!

Bye Bye, going to miss you, sniff sniff.

ken213 said:

As much as I hate to say goodbye, I cannot deal with a camera that
backfocuses! I refuse to repair a new camera just bought! And I'm
not going to keep thowing the dice until I hit a winner!

Nikon better fix this QC problem pronto, or a lot of other people
with the D70 will be abandoning ship!

Backfocus occured with 50mm 1.4D at all apertures in all shooting
modes! I heard about this problem before I bought the D70, but I
thought it just wouldn't happen to me. Now I know!

Ken

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care about whether or not you have a D70 why?

ken213 said:

As much as I hate to say goodbye, I cannot deal with a camera that
backfocuses! I refuse to repair a new camera just bought! And I'm
not going to keep thowing the dice until I hit a winner!

Nikon better fix this QC problem pronto, or a lot of other people
with the D70 will be abandoning ship!

Backfocus occured with 50mm 1.4D at all apertures in all shooting
modes! I heard about this problem before I bought the D70, but I
thought it just wouldn't happen to me. Now I know!

Ken

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I thought you were leaving. Get going and don't let the door hit you on the backside on the way out.

Thank goodness that leaves one less backfocus poster.

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3fros

Look, he's posted this in numerous forums. He's either:

Really got the D70 and feeling rotten and betrayed-

In which case, yes, I feel bad for hiim getting a camera with "issues". And he feels he can't handle it's problems. Hey, that's understandable. Who knows what else is going on...sometimes we can handle more, sometimes we can't...

OR/

He's just stirring up trouble. In which case, I still feel badly for him. But I guess it would beat watching Friends reruns, or Seinfeld, or Flintstones...you know entertainment is entertainment.

So, Anyway it is, Ken, I feel for you. And if you ever end up with a D70, I'll check out your shots and I do hope stuff improves.

I'm hearing "Keep smiling, keep.... humm humm humm" , sorry forgot the rest of the lyrics...

PS I did bite the urge to reply with Hasta Luega, Sayonara, and imagined the whole international D70 community joining in... That actually could have been really cool. Hmmm, maybe...

..that come out of nowhere, post up a storm across forums and then vanish. Meanwhile they keep things on the front page so to speak. This is typical "Forum Frenzy(tm)"

AX

Thanks for the suggestion. Iv'e seen some really stunning pictures with the FM3. I believe one was in the Nikon System brochure - it had the best image quality in that publication. Currently, I have the N90s, and it's also a winner. It never backfocused with any lens, and I tried at least a dozen. For the moment, I'm concentrating on a DSLR, but my next SLR may be your choice. Thanks again!

Ken

Thanks for your thoughtful reply, and believe me it breaks my heart to give back the D70 - I had a couple of really stunning pictures! I'm also really happy with my N90s. But...I'm used to relative perfection. My N90s never backfocused with twelve lenses. And if a camera arrives backfocising and needs recalibration, how do I know it won't need recalibration three months from now? For now, I'll try the Canon DigiReb/50mm combo. If it doesn't work out, maybe I'll try the D70 again. We'll see. Anyhow, thanks again.

Ken