I'm switching as well

Don Karner · Apr 21, 2004

cameraman12 said:
I have a right to my opinion in this forum just like everyone else!
If you don't like it, go somewhere else! For me, the 8% alcohol

I do believe this is the best (and funniest) thread I have ever read here. Everyone has nailed every kind of post I have seen. Are you all scriptwriters? If not, you should be! Lots worse stuff than this is on nitely TV. I guess it would be a niche audience though....
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alabaster · Apr 21, 2004

cameraman12 said:
I have a right to my opinion in this forum just like everyone else!
If you don't like it, go somewhere else! For me, the 8% alcohol
content in Canons lens cleaning liquid is vastly superior to
Hakubas' 4% alcohol. End of story. If you don't think so then you
don't know anything about photography!!

Ba, you can’t know anything about alcohol content. To be a great photographer you need at least 35% proof before any job. In my experience the only gear I can use with that kind of alcohol loading is Hakuba!
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Henry Goh193503 · Apr 21, 2004

these guys. The make 4/3 format and have since signed up a dozen other manufacturers. Their size will eventually be adopted by all except Hakuba and Canon. That means all you folks will be sidelined. Better see for yourself before it is too late...

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SunTzu178151 · Apr 21, 2004

...because I noticed a large amount of "yellow" in your photograph. Perhaps you could continue to use the Hakuba, but it will certainly require some sort of pre-washing of the Hakuba tissues in a "hot mirror" detergent.

This is one obvious reason why hakuba just doesn't cut it! Okay, call me a troll, but I had to get my shot in, too. I'm pre-ordered my Canon wipes through B&H this morning. Sure, they required full payment, but a three month float on my AMEX deposit will still make me sleep better as well.

And one last thing, I don't think it is the Hakuba wash so much as the towelettes.

Ron Gallegos said:
You can make the switch but you will never be able t achieve the
clarity of shots like this. taken just this morning with my new 3k
hakuba. it's already made me a better photographer. can't wait
til the parking lot fills up so i can shoot some more esthetic
shots. so make the switch and we hakubas will just keep shooting.
I don't even know why i get paid since Hakuba tissue does all the
work.

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Tom

Pride · Apr 21, 2004

Well you guys need to go to photo school !

I thought most people new that its very well to count the alcohol content, but that is pointless without taking into account the absorbent quality of the fibres in the cloth.

This affects the rate of evaporation, dummy !

The big advantage of the Canon lens cloth is the patented MUCAS* (c) system , which makes all other cleaning technologies redundunt.

You might as well go home now and find a new hobby or profession if you don't switch.

(* MUCAS= Made up Competitive Advantage System - patent pending)

SunTzu178151 · Apr 21, 2004

Alabaster, if you are going to put it in print, please do so accurately! You only need to swirl in the opposite direction if you are in a country below the equator! Please don't try to post to these pro level forums until you learn to do so without errer!

alabaster said:
I know of no other product like lens cleaning tissue that can
create such brand loyalty. I hope you enjoy your new cleaning
system, but don’t think that Canon cleaning systems are without
their own faults.

I know of one person that switched only to find that the lens
tissue was ‘front cleaning’ the lens element. I also gather that
you have to swirl the cloth in the opposite direction, so you might
find it will take some time to get used to the controls.

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Tom

Henry Goh193503 · Apr 21, 2004

Henry Goh said:
these guys. The make 4/3 format and have since signed up a dozen
other manufacturers. Their size will eventually be adopted by all
except Hakuba and Canon. That means all you folks will be
sidelined. Better see for yourself before it is too late...

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muskiemouth · Apr 21, 2004

I'm with you, Canon's more MWs sold me.

MW = Mega-Weave.

cameraman12 said:
Hi everyone, I just wanted to say that I will be selling all of my
Hakuba lens cleaning tissues and liquid because I have decided to
go with Canon's lens tissue and liquid. I feel that I couldn't keep
using the Hakubas because of lower alcohol percentage. I really
feel like they are losing the battle and haven't really come out
with a good enough tissue to keep me buying their brand. I know
Hakuba makes great products but I feel like Canons' tissue will
keep my glass sparkling so my images will be really sharp. I also
know that Canon's tissue and liquid isn't out yet but I've decided
to wait in line for them... hopefully I will receive mine at the
end of summer. Furthurmore, according to the specs, the Canon
tissue is slightly larger and I will get more cleaning for my money
(When is Hakuba going to make an A4 tissue? I've waited long
enough.) This was a really hard decision but I feel that this will
make me a better photographer in the end.

Janet Zinn · Apr 21, 2004

cameraman12 said:
Hi everyone, I just wanted to say that I will be selling all of my
Hakuba lens cleaning tissues and liquid because I have decided to
go with Canon's lens tissue and liquid. I feel that I couldn't keep
using the Hakubas because of lower alcohol percentage. I really
feel like they are losing the battle and haven't really come out
with a good enough tissue to keep me buying their brand. I know
Hakuba makes great products but I feel like Canons' tissue will
keep my glass sparkling so my images will be really sharp. I also
know that Canon's tissue and liquid isn't out yet but I've decided
to wait in line for them... hopefully I will receive mine at the
end of summer. Furthurmore, according to the specs, the Canon
tissue is slightly larger and I will get more cleaning for my money
(When is Hakuba going to make an A4 tissue? I've waited long
enough.) This was a really hard decision but I feel that this will
make me a better photographer in the end.

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Pride · Apr 21, 2004

And don't forget that there are other major technical innovations which make Hakuba the fools choice if you are a TRUE photographer:

As well as MUCAS (Made Up Competitive Advantage) technology, there is also:

DESIWAS ( Dealer Swears It Will Arrive Soon)

and, the real killer to Hakuba which will put them out of business;

TAPANTAP (Talk About Photography And Never Take A Picture) system, which is set to revolutionise the whole industry.

In fact, the future of photography demands that we stop going out and capturing images in the inconvenient real world. There are too many variables and the light keeps changing. And people cannot be bothered about learning how to use a camera.

So in future cameras will only work when presented with a box of crayons, a few bottles of vermouth and a packet of batteries. We can then compare these pictures and put them on the wall.

Every camera will flash and beep and whirl around, we we can measure the response times to these movements. Lenses are optional.

I have to say my bench test results look terrific over the fireplace. That Martini bottle is just so detailed in its resolution. Glad I still used Hakuba lens cloths though

Yves P. · Apr 21, 2004

Bigger is not better although women usually lie about this issue ...

cameraman12 said:
Hi everyone, I just wanted to say that I will be selling all of my
Hakuba lens cleaning tissues and liquid because I have decided to
go with Canon's lens tissue and liquid. I feel that I couldn't keep
using the Hakubas because of lower alcohol percentage. I really
feel like they are losing the battle and haven't really come out
with a good enough tissue to keep me buying their brand. I know
Hakuba makes great products but I feel like Canons' tissue will
keep my glass sparkling so my images will be really sharp. I also
know that Canon's tissue and liquid isn't out yet but I've decided
to wait in line for them... hopefully I will receive mine at the
end of summer. Furthurmore, according to the specs, the Canon
tissue is slightly larger and I will get more cleaning for my money
(When is Hakuba going to make an A4 tissue? I've waited long
enough.) This was a really hard decision but I feel that this will
make me a better photographer in the end.

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PBASE Supporter

Some pictures I like:
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cameraman12 · Apr 21, 2004

One thing you so called "pros" aren't taking into account is that you can use the Canon lens tissue on an electric orbital buffer to clean the lenses and have virtually noise free images. A german photography site said that you can get up to 5000rpms with no noise. How can Hakuba compete with that?

Erik Novich · Apr 21, 2004

Sam Guande said:
And Canon's tissue-making technology is vastly superior to that of
Hacuba's. Hacuba is so far behind, what are the engineers there
doing?

You know what else the sales guy, told me? Canon tissue has 10meg
of fiberpixels. If you wipe your lens properly (clockwise is
recommended and in circular motion), you will produce film-like
images, correct backfocusing problem and your images will pop.
Now just wait when the firmware 1.5 is released, it will definitely
improve your skill as photographer.;-)

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Hookt on Fonix rilly wurkt fer mee!!

muskiemouth · Apr 21, 2004

Yves P. said:
cameraman12 said:

Hi everyone, I just wanted to say that I will be selling all of my
Hakuba lens cleaning tissues and liquid because I have decided to
go with Canon's lens tissue and liquid. I feel that I couldn't keep
using the Hakubas because of lower alcohol percentage. I really
feel like they are losing the battle and haven't really come out
with a good enough tissue to keep me buying their brand. I know
Hakuba makes great products but I feel like Canons' tissue will
keep my glass sparkling so my images will be really sharp. I also
know that Canon's tissue and liquid isn't out yet but I've decided
to wait in line for them... hopefully I will receive mine at the
end of summer. Furthurmore, according to the specs, the Canon
tissue is slightly larger and I will get more cleaning for my money
(When is Hakuba going to make an A4 tissue? I've waited long
enough.) This was a really hard decision but I feel that this will
make me a better photographer in the end.

Click to expand...

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Yves P. · Apr 21, 2004

Depends, are we talking big or small here ?

muskiemouth said:
Yves P. said:

cameraman12 said:

Hi everyone, I just wanted to say that I will be selling all of my
Hakuba lens cleaning tissues and liquid because I have decided to
go with Canon's lens tissue and liquid. I feel that I couldn't keep
using the Hakubas because of lower alcohol percentage. I really
feel like they are losing the battle and haven't really come out
with a good enough tissue to keep me buying their brand. I know
Hakuba makes great products but I feel like Canons' tissue will
keep my glass sparkling so my images will be really sharp. I also
know that Canon's tissue and liquid isn't out yet but I've decided
to wait in line for them... hopefully I will receive mine at the
end of summer. Furthurmore, according to the specs, the Canon
tissue is slightly larger and I will get more cleaning for my money
(When is Hakuba going to make an A4 tissue? I've waited long
enough.) This was a really hard decision but I feel that this will
make me a better photographer in the end.

Click to expand...

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Yves P.
PBASE Supporter

Some pictures I like:
http://www.pbase.com/yp8/root

Click to expand...

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Yves P.
PBASE Supporter

Some pictures I like:
http://www.pbase.com/yp8/root

shudderbug2 · Apr 21, 2004

And crash the lens cleaning market.

The Charmin Marketing Rep was quoted as saying "Less is more with Charmin Ultra! That's because it's more absorbent so you can use less then the Canon or Hakubas brand"

The Jack Daniels company stated that their products contain more alcohol per ounce then either Canon or Hakubas.

An except from the lens cleaning kit iinstructions state that if the lens isn't any cleaner just have a drink of the lens cleaning fluid and your vision will instantly become clearer. In the unlikely event this still doesn't solve the issue give drinks to your customers so their vision is restored as well.

Both Canon and Hakubas failed to comment on this most recent development.

Erik Novich · Apr 21, 2004

cameraman12 said:
One thing you so called "pros" aren't taking into account is that
you can use the Canon lens tissue on an electric orbital buffer to
clean the lenses and have virtually noise free images. A german
photography site said that you can get up to 5000rpms with no
noise. How can Hakuba compete with that?

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Hookt on Fonix rilly wurkt fer mee!!

vernix · Apr 21, 2004

right on the mark here:

when can we get phil to give this burgeoning field its own forum.
ASAP we hope

TAPANTAP (Talk About Photography And Never Take A Picture) system, which is set to revolutionise the whole industry.

Sam Guande · Apr 21, 2004

and this tissue is properly white-balanced out-of-the box. you save lots of tweaking time.

Roger T. · Apr 21, 2004

What combination of lens tissue and cleaning fluid should I buy?

cameraman12 said:
Hi everyone, I just wanted to say that I will be selling all of my
Hakuba lens cleaning tissues and liquid because I have decided to
go with Canon's lens tissue and liquid. ....

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