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Some here seem to forget that is the end it doesn’t matter which camera is better, rather which one sells. Considering Sony’s marketing prowess I doubt this camera will be a flop.
Richard Carey said:
DVWarrior-2 said:
Dont kid yourselves Phil Askey is not the be all and end all of
digital camera reviews he got it so wrong with the Canon D60...this
was and is a shocking camera and he awarded it a "Highly
Recomended". I bought two of them and they were both KACK, bad
focus, soft as old boots and very erratic exposures. Both went back
to the shop. My F828 out performes the D60 hands down. Due to the
weather in rainy old Scotland I have not had a chance to put my 828
through its paces but so far I remain delighted. Just for a few
cinics out there I took some pics with the 828 and the Canon G5 as
a side by side comparison. The picture looking into my desk lamp
which is as overexposed as you can expect shows no sign of the
dreaded purple fringing.

http://www.pbase.com/dvwarrior/warrior
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Phil Askey said:
DVWarrior-2 said:
Dont kid yourselves Phil Askey is not the be all and end all of
digital camera reviews he got it so wrong with the Canon D60...this
was and is a shocking camera and he awarded it a "Highly
Recomended". I bought two of them and they were both KACK, bad
focus, soft as old boots and very erratic exposures. Both went back
to the shop. My F828 out performes the D60 hands down. Due to the
weather in rainy old Scotland I have not had a chance to put my 828
through its paces but so far I remain delighted. Just for a few
cinics out there I took some pics with the 828 and the Canon G5 as
a side by side comparison. The picture looking into my desk lamp
which is as overexposed as you can expect shows no sign of the
dreaded purple fringing.

http://www.pbase.com/dvwarrior/warrior
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Phil Askey
Editor / Owner, dpreview.com
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phil, you should not be responding.

only inflames further. unless you aren't neutral.

your reviews should stand on their own.
 
Tom May said:
Phil,

I am SO GLAD that he lives on your island!

In the states he could get a job easy in right wing radio. He might
have missed his calling.
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Tom,

This is a serius photpgraphy discusssion...why try to insinuate American Politics into it. Your analogy is flawed!
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Tim
 
Oh man..................nice job on trying to hide the PF. Looks like you missed a few spots though. Before you spout your mouth off, at least try to be credible in your samples.


DVWarrior-2 said:
Dont kid yourselves Phil Askey is not the be all and end all of
digital camera reviews he got it so wrong with the Canon D60...this
was and is a shocking camera and he awarded it a "Highly
Recomended". I bought two of them and they were both KACK, bad
focus, soft as old boots and very erratic exposures. Both went back
to the shop. My F828 out performes the D60 hands down. Due to the
weather in rainy old Scotland I have not had a chance to put my 828
through its paces but so far I remain delighted. Just for a few
cinics out there I took some pics with the 828 and the Canon G5 as
a side by side comparison. The picture looking into my desk lamp
which is as overexposed as you can expect shows no sign of the
dreaded purple fringing.

http://www.pbase.com/dvwarrior/warrior
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Jason said:
Oh man..................nice job on trying to hide the PF. Looks
like you missed a few spots though. Before you spout your mouth
off, at least try to be credible in your samples.
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OH MY GOD...How sad are you...I have this picture printed as a 10"x 8" which is as big as I care to produce my prints to and you dare to nit pick an excellent picture of my family dog...GET A LIFE JASON.
 
DVWarrior-2 said:
Dont kid yourselves Phil Askey is not the be all and end all of
digital camera reviews he got it so wrong with the Canon D60...this
was and is a shocking camera and he awarded it a "Highly
Recomended". I bought two of them and they were both KACK, bad
focus, soft as old boots and very erratic exposures. Both went back
to the shop. My F828 out performes the D60 hands down. Due to the
weather in rainy old Scotland I have not had a chance to put my 828
through its paces but so far I remain delighted. Just for a few
cinics out there I took some pics with the 828 and the Canon G5 as
a side by side comparison. The picture looking into my desk lamp
which is as overexposed as you can expect shows no sign of the
dreaded purple fringing.

http://www.pbase.com/dvwarrior/warrior
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Mikee
http://www.phoetic.net/photography
aim sn: photo freak 81
 
Phil Askey said:
LOL.

Phil Askey
Editor / Owner, dpreview.com
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Good for you Mr Askey ...if only some of these so called moaning faced, insulting photographers had a sence of humour. People should be happy to show off their family snaps and the few examples of their digital cameras performance...instead we get idiots trying to rubbish cameras they desperatly want to own but have been frightened by a few miss informed idiots within this forum...your review excluded from that last statement...

I would urge people to look at the pictures you (Phil) have taken and have on display and photographers like Andy Williams who has plenty of examples from the F828.
 
Mikee said:
DVWarrior-2 I respectfully suggest that you take a little more water with your drink. The use of gorbals slang does not help your arguments - it only betrays you for what you are.
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It was some time before I looked at your pictures. If you are a professional photographer who depends on his skill at taking still pictures then I strongly suggest that you look for another job.
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Keith-C
 
KEITH-C said:
KEITH-C said:
DVWarrior-2 I respectfully suggest that you take a little more water with your drink. The use of gorbals slang does not help your arguments - it only betrays you for what you are.
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It was some time before I looked at your pictures. If you are a
professional photographer who depends on his skill at taking still
pictures then I strongly suggest that you look for another job.
KEITH-C said:
KEITH-C said:
http://www.pbase.com/dvwarrior/warrior
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Keith-C
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Trolls like you old son are being delt with so crall back into your slum where you came from...these are family snaps...idiot... I do not display copyrighted clients photographs.
 
Hey DVW, love your Tiger Tongue shot, made me smile. So if that's a snapshot I'd love to see some of your commercial work.
DVWarrior-2 said:
KEITH-C said:
DVWarrior-2 said:
DVWarrior-2 I respectfully suggest that you take a little more water with your drink. The use of gorbals slang does not help your arguments - it only betrays you for what you are.
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It was some time before I looked at your pictures. If you are a
professional photographer who depends on his skill at taking still
pictures then I strongly suggest that you look for another job.
DVWarrior-2 said:
DVWarrior-2 said:
http://www.pbase.com/dvwarrior/warrior
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DVWarrior-2 said:
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Keith-C
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Trolls like you old son are being delt with so crall back into your
slum where you came from...these are family snaps...idiot... I do
not display copyrighted clients photographs.
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Doug D. said:
i made $200 on this photo. Does that mean I'm a pro? Wow I never knew.

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Unfortunatly the word pro means "someone who gets paid for their work"

but working with other professionals in the same field and earning their respect is far more rewarding and meaningfull. Dont spoil your copy book with stupic sarcasim it does not suit you.
 
Way - way too funny Steffan! :-)

Love the mix and match with the colour scheme also.

Richard
Mr Steffan Macmillan said:
DVWarrior-2 said:
KEITH-C said:
Steffan Mamcillan said:
DVWarrior-2 I respectfully suggest that you take a little more water with your drink. The use of gorbals slang does not help your arguments - it only betrays you for what you are.
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It was some time before I looked at your pictures. If you are a
professional photographer who depends on his skill at taking still
pictures then I strongly suggest that you look for another job.
Steffan Mamcillan said:
Steffan Mamcillan said:
http://www.pbase.com/dvwarrior/warrior
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Steffan Mamcillan said:
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Keith-C
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Trolls like you old son are being delt with so crall back into your
slum where you came from...these are family snaps...idiot... I do
not display copyrighted clients photographs.
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Todd Bright said:
Some here seem to forget that is the end it doesn’t matter which
camera is better, rather which one sells. Considering Sony’s
marketing prowess I doubt this camera will be a flop.
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I think you are talking about "flop" in terms of sales when others may have been talking about "flop" in terms of camera itself.

Hyperboles are usually too extreme if you are a betting man. I would say that from an engineering standpoint the 828 is neither a complete flop nor a rousing success, but one that is hovering in the middle and probably not offering enough pros and a few more cons than to my liking for me to spend my $1000 on it.

I just don't believe that folks who are that serious about pictures to be considering spending $1000+ on a camera would happily forego the DSLR's flexibility and possibility for future growth and buy a digicam with very limited ceiling for upgrading.

I also don't see that folks who don't want to or know or care about taking, editing, and improving their digital pictures would want to spend $1000, not to mention on a camera they can't even put in a small camera bag that fits inside their coat pockets. Maybe the "8.0 MP" bullets can sell a few more than a 6MP camera, but at what cost to picture quality, when there are already proven setups at 4-6MP that can take pics with minimal noise and CA?

And if you are talking marketing wise? Sony may have a prowess with marketing but they have been notably humbled a few times despite heavy marketing effort. Remember beta video format? MiniDisc never quite took off, did it? MemoryStick is still being marketed as all get out, but they finally had to acquiesce and cough up a CompactFlash port in the 828. Not debating that these formats don't have their merits, but they did not hit despite Sony's push. They've shown flashes of cockiness in all of these examples, trying to stiff arm their own proprietary formats instead of listening to the market and realizing that sometimes better ideas and designs come from people other than Sony's.

As for what I am here for: I am looking for info to help me on what cameras to consider to spend my same $800-1200 on, based on my projected course and future needs as a photobug. So I would be more interested in finding out which camera better suits me, not which one sells better.
 
DVWarrior-2 said:
I have no further interest in a D60 its old hat, dead and was
flawed from day 1. You are a snob and the worst kind... you think
the 10D makes you closer to being a professional sorry but your
attitude puts you in the pits along with all the 2nd hand D60s no
one wants...!!!
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Psst...

Where are THE pits to which you refer, with "all the 2nd hand D60s that no one wants?"

I'll be there, with my shovel.
 
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