SDQ Foveon with X49 Filter for IR

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A few years ago i did a bunch of IR stuff with a SDQ using a Kalari 550nm filter and a Blue IR/NDVI Filter. Which both produced interesting results but where not quite right.

I really wanted that Aerochrome look.

I then ended up getting the X49 filter from this paper: https://www.mdpi.com/2313-433X/2/2/14
Which actually did help a lot. But I knew it would probally be better to try and make some profiles to make shooting IR less of a chore.

I finally decided to shoot a Color Checker and see if it would be worth the effort, and this an abridged version but here are the basic results:

Green X49 Hoyia Filter
Green X49 Hoyia Filter

The biggest issue with shooting without any filter is the IR is really strong across all colors which always made it hard to exposure or edit.

No Filter Used
No Filter Used

The X49 Filter with an applied WB correction gave much better results:

X3F - SPP with Camera settings
X3F - SPP with Camera settings

But I like to edit DNGs inside of Capture One and Similar WB settings are a little less dramatic.

Capture One set to 2500K
Capture One set to 2500K

But we can get a similar punchy look just by doing a HUE shift and adding saturation

Capture One 2500K with Hue Edit
Capture One 2500K with Hue Edit

And this is how I had been doing the IR work for the past few years.

But it seemed maybe there could be a better way.

The first thing I did was make a C1 profile that did a Channel Swap.

Capture One 2500K with Channel Swap Preset
Capture One 2500K with Channel Swap Preset

And I do think it was an improvement, we get better variation in the different red tones.

But we can just try to build a color correction profile using Argyll

OOC Color checker
OOC Color checker

And Apply the basic matrix Argyll spits out. It's pretty aggressive and you basically lose all of the red.

Applied Argyll Matrix
Applied Argyll Matrix

But we can make a Profile with this and apply it anyways.

DNG in Capture One with Applied Profile using the Argyll matrix
DNG in Capture One with Applied Profile using the Argyll matrix

It's got even better variation in the different colors but it's a little flat, and yellow. So we can just shift the yellows red and give it a contrast saturation boost.

DNG in Capture One with Applied Profile using the Argyll matrix and Edits
DNG in Capture One with Applied Profile using the Argyll matrix and Edits

Which is pretty nice, but it would be better to have something a little in between.

So I hand tuned the values to split the difference.

Hand tuned Matrix
Hand tuned Matrix

Hand Tuned Matrix turned into a profile and edited in Capture One.
Hand Tuned Matrix turned into a profile and edited in Capture One.

Which is actually the result I liked most. I can edit it a bit more aggressively with more nuance in the reds/yellows/oranges without other colors getting too wonky.

And I went back and started trying to re-edit some SDQ IR photos that just didn't work as I liked with some improved results.

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Which I think has inspired me to take my IR SDQ out a bit more and see if this makes it a bit easier to get results I like.
I am going to probably break out the IR/NDVI and 550nm filters and do the same thing and see if that helps improve editing with them which might inspire me to shoot more with them.

Past Posts on previous attempts for reference:





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On the the sdQ and sdQH that I once owned, I never liked the results I got with the X1 green filter.

Here are a couple using a KG3 filter, which attenuates IR beyond 900nm. I find that it reduces the excessive reds that the Quattro produces.

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I like your results in the last 2 images.
 
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Thanks for sharing.

I just ordered a 720nm filter to use with the sdQh.
I shot in monochrome mode with a R72, increasing the in-camera contrast setting.
Any tips on getting a "correct" exposure?
I tend to EAL lock near the brightest point, just enough to avoid blown highlights.
I'm not chasing Aerochrome, just wanting to explore IR/Full Spectrum photography on a Foveon.
Not as much contrast and IR sensitivity as other cameras I've owned, you can some great results with a bit of post editing.

On the other end of the spectrum, the Foveon sensor has very limited UV sensitivity.

Have fun with your sdQ!

-Gary
 
Thanks for sharing.

I just ordered a 720nm filter to use with the sdQh.
I shot in monochrome mode with a R72, increasing the in-camera contrast setting.
Thanks.
Any tips on getting a "correct" exposure?
I tend to EAL lock near the brightest point, just enough to avoid blown highlights.
Noted. I'll test that out.
I'm not chasing Aerochrome, just wanting to explore IR/Full Spectrum photography on a Foveon.
Not as much contrast and IR sensitivity as other cameras I've owned, you can some great results with a bit of post editing.
That's sad to hear, but I suppose not surprising. I sort of assumed mostly the bottom layer would get data, and with Quattro in particular theres not a lot of data there to begin with.

My other full spectrum camera is an old Olympus - but the images were never sharp (probably a strong AA filter). I was hoping the Foveon would be an upgrade for IR photography.

Edit: These photos look acceptable to me...

On the other end of the spectrum, the Foveon sensor has very limited UV sensitivity.
Thanks for the heads up - this and a bit of Google have just saved me some money - I canceled my UV filter order.
Have fun with your sdQ!

-Gary
Thanks! It's certainly bringing out my inner tinkerer.
 
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On the the sdQ and sdQH that I once owned, I never liked the results I got with the X1 green filter.

Here are a couple using a KG3 filter, which attenuates IR beyond 900nm. I find that it reduces the excessive reds that the Quattro produces.

838ee0e91d9f42bd9ca0841b57192d79.jpg

0894600eb31840c4834125c6c3a48afa.jpg

I like your results in the last 2 images.
I have found the results have been harder to edit to my liking even with the X1 filter before I put some recent effort to make it a little more straight forward.

I like the results you have with the KG3 filter, can you elaborate a little more about where you found it and how you decided on it?





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Flicker: https://www.flickr.com/photos/evan_tchelepi/
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I have found the results have been harder to edit to my liking even with the X1 filter before I put some recent effort to make it a little more straight forward.

I like the results you have with the KG3 filter, can you elaborate a little more about where you found it and how you decided on it?
I was curious myself, so did a little Google search, which turned up this thread:


And a search on Amazon.com shows an unknown seller selling them housed for mounting to a lens.
 
I have found the results have been harder to edit to my liking even with the X1 filter before I put some recent effort to make it a little more straight forward.

I like the results you have with the KG3 filter, can you elaborate a little more about where you found it and how you decided on it?
I was curious myself, so did a little Google search, which turned up this thread:

https://openphotographyforums.com/f...ome-semi-simulation-lee-729-schott-kg3.22767/
That gentleman was very knowledgeable, and produced some top-of-the-line mounted filters. Sadly, he has passed away.
And a search on Amazon.com shows an unknown seller selling them housed for mounting to a lens.
Ebay seller Tangsinuo, is your best bet for exotic (ie. KG3) mounted filters. Excellent quality.
 
I have found the results have been harder to edit to my liking even with the X1 filter before I put some recent effort to make it a little more straight forward.

I like the results you have with the KG3 filter, can you elaborate a little more about where you found it and how you decided on it?
I was curious myself, so did a little Google search, which turned up this thread:

https://openphotographyforums.com/f...ome-semi-simulation-lee-729-schott-kg3.22767/
That gentleman was very knowledgeable, and produced some top-of-the-line mounted filters. Sadly, he has passed away.
Sad to to hear, Gary. I'm a member of that site but don't go there much.
 
I’m guessing you shoot these in DNG and that DNG would be the way to go with these thanks to 3rd party support for the format.

Im thinking of shooting DNG and processing through Raw Therapee (allows for extreme white balance settings). I will also likely do a color checker to see if it gives me anything interesting as a starting point for editing.
 
I’m guessing you shoot these in DNG and that DNG would be the way to go with these thanks to 3rd party support for the format.

Im thinking of shooting DNG and processing through Raw Therapee (allows for extreme white balance settings). I will also likely do a color checker to see if it gives me anything interesting as a starting point for editing.
I shoot in X3f and Convert to DNG using the Kalpanika tool.

The only issue is that you have to make a Color Profile for Raw Therapee to work properly with the files.



For some reason the way they handle these linear DNGs is poor

RT opening a DNG for sdqh
RT opening a DNG for sdqh

Reference for default color in other tools
Reference for default color in other tools



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Website: https://etchelepi.exposure.co/
Flicker: https://www.flickr.com/photos/evan_tchelepi/
Blog: https://evan-theelectricalengineer.blogspot.com/
 
I have found the results have been harder to edit to my liking even with the X1 filter before I put some recent effort to make it a little more straight forward.

I like the results you have with the KG3 filter, can you elaborate a little more about where you found it and how you decided on it?
I was curious myself, so did a little Google search, which turned up this thread:

https://openphotographyforums.com/f...ome-semi-simulation-lee-729-schott-kg3.22767/
That gentleman was very knowledgeable, and produced some top-of-the-line mounted filters. Sadly, he has passed away.
And a search on Amazon.com shows an unknown seller selling them housed for mounting to a lens.
Ebay seller Tangsinuo, is your best bet for exotic (ie. KG3) mounted filters. Excellent quality.
Thanks found it.

Only issue is none of the sizes are convenient so I would need to cut a filter to size.

So I might do it in the future
 

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