I just updated my first bios, actually two computer updates

BobKnDP said:

Austinian said:

BobKnDP said:

Austinian said:

BobKnDP said:

Austinian said:

BobKnDP said:

Austinian said:

Austinian said:

The Dev drive isn't used for photo editing, so IDK for sure if I even have any profiling software on it, but I think I do

I'll look on the desktop's Dev drive tomorrow, if I remember. I'm on a laptop tonight.

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I realized I don't have Profiler, just the low-rent ccStudio that AFAIK isn't telling me anything about what it thinks the monitor gamut is.

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What I did was to run Profiler, and then check the gamut using the Profile Info utility of DisplayCal.

You should be able to do the same, with ccStudio. (Or DisplayCal, for that matter.)

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Apparently the Dev drive doesn't have DisplayCAL, and I see no relevant info on ccStudio. If I get around to it after I finish working with the Dev drive today, perhaps I can try to install DisplayCAL (though none of this is likely to help with your problem). :-(

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Not expecting help.

Verification.

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Are you on build 26120.2200?

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Nope, not a Dev build.

26100.2161. Available to non-Insiders.

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So any verification would be questionable, but I fixed the Dev drive's shutdown problem quickly, so I had a chance to install DisplayCAL from curiosity. So, FWIW, here's what DisplayCAL said in Profile info: I don't understand it, but perhaps you will.


Too long for one screenshot; does this tell you anything?

Also:

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That looks like it's profiling pretty much like the monitor is sRGB.

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For comparison, this is the profile provided by Philips, compared to Adobe RGB:



This is what I get from my most recent Calibrite Profiler run:



Not exactly a lethal bug, but it's annoying.

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GodSpeaks said:

Chris Noble said:

I don't understand any of your concerns -- please explain.

I do all the BIOS updates that are suggested by my PC manufacturer. A good opportunity to get a cup of coffee downstairs. What's the big deal?

I also bring my car in for servicing when the manufacturer suggests.

Maybe I just like a simple life without causing myself unnecessary problems.

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I only do BIOS updates if absolutely necessary. Over the years, I have had 2 updates go south on me.

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Austinian said:

Austinian said:

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Now I see what you mean; I was looking at the wrong profile when I first posted.

Looking at my own screenshot, the faint dotted reference comparison sRGB profile looks to me to be well inside the actual measured profile; if I have a profiling problem, I don't see it. Am I missing something?

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Chris Noble said:

Chris Noble said:

I only do BIOS updates if absolutely necessary. Over the years, I have had 2 updates go south on me.

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I only wear my seat belt if absolutely necessary.

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Chris Noble said:

toomanycanons said:

This was in preparation for going to Windows 11. My other two already had what was needed in their bios to qualify

So, first time. I did a bunch of researching and slogged through the endless tales of bricked mobos, user error after user error sprinkled with the occasional "it was easy, no problem". I chose to believe those who had no problems

These were both on MSI desktops using the "M-Flash" utility in the existing bios

And both went smoothly, though not without a lot of angst concerning "am I doing this correctly??" Turns out I did and it was indeed "easy". There are a lot of steps along the way that a guy could mess up but I did my due diligence and it worked

OTOH, now that I do have four computers Windows 11 ready I'm still not going to update from W10 on any of them. Gonna wait till I have to, next year

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I don't understand any of your concerns -- please explain.

I do all the BIOS updates that are suggested by my PC manufacturer. A good opportunity to get a cup of coffee downstairs. What's the big deal?

I also bring my car in for servicing when the manufacturer suggests.

Maybe I just like a simple life without causing myself unnecessary problems.

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BobKnDP said:

Austinian said:

BobKnDP said:

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Now I see what you mean; I was looking at the wrong profile when I first posted.

Looking at my own screenshot, the faint dotted reference comparison sRGB profile looks to me to be well inside the actual measured profile; if I have a profiling problem, I don't see it. Am I missing something?

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Depends.

If your monitor has a wider gamut than sRGB, and it's not limited to sRGB by its settings, the software (either Profiler or Displaycal/Argyll CMS) should profile to that.

Pre-bug Displaycal profiles for my OLED display show a wider gamut than Adobe RGB.

To repeat myself: I believe there's a bug in 24H2 that prevents profiling software from detecting the monitor's gamut properly. It defaults to sRGB.

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Bobapingu said:

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Same! My greatest fear is missing a BIOS update then wondering whether I should sequentially update or just go straight to the latest.

What worries me though is that MSI recommend not updating unless one has problems. That's dumb. I'm not waiting till there are problems. In any case, how do I know there is a problem till something doesn't work as it should, and I realise there should have been an update 5 updates ago that may or might not now work.

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Same! My greatest fear is missing a BIOS update then wondering whether I should sequentially update or just go straight to the latest.

What worries me though is that MSI recommend not updating unless one has problems. That's dumb. I'm not waiting till there are problems. In any case, how do I know there is a problem till something doesn't work as it should, and I realise there should have been an update 5 updates ago that may or might not now work.

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From what I've gleaned BIOS updates are cumulative so the latest update should incorporate any that you missed.

Gigabyte also has a prominent scary warning at the bottom of the BIOS download page for my motherboard that recommends not updating if you are not having problems. I guess that is over-ruled if they post a later BIOS update which they recommend "customers are strongly encouraged to update to this release at the earliest.".

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Same! My greatest fear is missing a BIOS update then wondering whether I should sequentially update or just go straight to the latest.

What worries me though is that MSI recommend not updating unless one has problems. That's dumb. I'm not waiting till there are problems. In any case, how do I know there is a problem till something doesn't work as it should, and I realise there should have been an update 5 updates ago that may or might not now work.

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From what I've gleaned BIOS updates are cumulative so the latest update should incorporate any that you missed.

Gigabyte also has a prominent scary warning at the bottom of the BIOS download page for my motherboard that recommends not updating if you are not having problems. I guess that is over-ruled if they post a later BIOS update which they recommend "customers are strongly encouraged to update to this release at the earliest.".

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BobKnDP said:

Austinian said:

BobKnDP said:

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Now I see what you mean; I was looking at the wrong profile when I first posted.

Looking at my own screenshot, the faint dotted reference comparison sRGB profile looks to me to be well inside the actual measured profile; if I have a profiling problem, I don't see it. Am I missing something?

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Depends.

If your monitor has a wider gamut than sRGB, and it's not limited to sRGB by its settings, the software (either Profiler or Displaycal/Argyll CMS) should profile to that.

Pre-bug Displaycal profiles for my OLED display show a wider gamut than Adobe RGB.

To repeat myself: I believe there's a bug in 24H2 that prevents profiling software from detecting the monitor's gamut properly. It defaults to sRGB.

Maybe most people would treat that with a resounding "so what?".

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Bobapingu said:

Same! My greatest fear is missing a BIOS update then wondering whether I should sequentially update or just go straight to the latest.

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Bobapingu said:

BobKnDP said:

Austinian said:

Bobapingu said:

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Now I see what you mean; I was looking at the wrong profile when I first posted.

Looking at my own screenshot, the faint dotted reference comparison sRGB profile looks to me to be well inside the actual measured profile; if I have a profiling problem, I don't see it. Am I missing something?

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Depends.

If your monitor has a wider gamut than sRGB, and it's not limited to sRGB by its settings, the software (either Profiler or Displaycal/Argyll CMS) should profile to that.

Pre-bug Displaycal profiles for my OLED display show a wider gamut than Adobe RGB.

To repeat myself: I believe there's a bug in 24H2 that prevents profiling software from detecting the monitor's gamut properly. It defaults to sRGB.

Maybe most people would treat that with a resounding "so what?".

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I don't think it's a bug. You may have calibrated to the native profile of your monitor which maybe more or less than Adobe RGB. The pundits say that gives more accurate colours than specifying exactly Adobe RGB. Anyway, there is no colour space name for your native profile so Windows defaults to calling the colour space RGB. However, the monitor profile should remain as the native profile. You could perhaps force the calibration to Adobe RGB then Windows may well recognise the colour space name.

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Eric Carlson said:

Have you seen any that recommend incremental updates?

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vett93 said:

BillyBobSenna said:

I consider myself a computer building enthusiast. Maintaining the latest bios on my systems is standard practice. Most times I don’t even read what was updated. The process of updating the bios is nearly trivial when you perform this task once or twice a year.

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Do you find substantial improvements from these BIOS updates?

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