third party batteries

Chris Wolfgram said:

mfinley said:

Chris Wolfgram said:

that they will make the most profit by charging a ridiculous markup on batteries, or basically 250-400% of what "good" aftermarket batteries cost ?

How much would they have to charge before folks would say, that's just ridiculous, I'm not doing that. I mean would you pay 500% more ? 800% more ? Half the cost of your camera body ? I guess some folks just have a lot more money than I do. I mean, I'm know they do. I'm poor (by some standards, rich by others I suppose)

I was just looking at the BM's I've been using, and I can still get them for just over $20. Which is great, as I do need a couple more, after 2 of my 3 Canon OEM batteries died on my cross country trip this year. All my BM brand are still working fine though.

Anyway, it just seems to me if Canon were only charging say, $30 or $35, it might not be a big enough incentive for aftermarket companies to design and produce replacements, and maybe folks would buy more of them at that price too, just to have backups.

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The camera manufacturer's industry is filled with companies that are smaller today than they were in the past, they are barely treading water while being handed heavy rocks to hold every few minutes in a room with the water slowly rising now just a foot from the ceiling.

Seeking to maximizing profits where ever they can is a necessary evil when your core products are appealing to a shrinking market place.

When the horse and buggy market was disappearing because of the growth of the automobile you don't think any owners sold accessories at big mark ups?

There has been an 80% drop in camera sales in the last decade. These companies are clawing at anything they can to stay alive and fund products that basically nobody is buying.

Just a few who are either gone or just shell businesses of themselves from decades ago:

Kodak
Braun
Olympus
Konica
Minolta
Technik
Rollei
Polaroid
Contax
Agfa

I always see people who use pseudo economics to justify how a dying industry could be revived through lower prices and higher volume.

It's the old joke about the guy who loses $10 on every item he sells and asked how he stays in business and he replies I make it up in "volume"

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Thanks,
Mike
https://travel-curious.com/home/north-america/united-states/utah/

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Okay Mike. Good points. But then how much profit are aftermarket companies making on Canon replacement batteries for $21 each ? I mean, do they actually cost $5 to make ?

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mfinley said:

Chris Wolfgram said:

that they will make the most profit by charging a ridiculous markup on batteries, or basically 250-400% of what "good" aftermarket batteries cost ?

How much would they have to charge before folks would say, that's just ridiculous, I'm not doing that. I mean would you pay 500% more ? 800% more ? Half the cost of your camera body ? I guess some folks just have a lot more money than I do. I mean, I'm know they do. I'm poor (by some standards, rich by others I suppose)

I was just looking at the BM's I've been using, and I can still get them for just over $20. Which is great, as I do need a couple more, after 2 of my 3 Canon OEM batteries died on my cross country trip this year. All my BM brand are still working fine though.

Anyway, it just seems to me if Canon were only charging say, $30 or $35, it might not be a big enough incentive for aftermarket companies to design and produce replacements, and maybe folks would buy more of them at that price too, just to have backups.

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The camera manufacturer's industry is filled with companies that are smaller today than they were in the past, they are barely treading water while being handed heavy rocks to hold every few minutes in a room with the water slowly rising now just a foot from the ceiling.

Seeking to maximizing profits where ever they can is a necessary evil when your core products are appealing to a shrinking market place.

When the horse and buggy market was disappearing because of the growth of the automobile you don't think any owners sold accessories at big mark ups?

There has been an 80% drop in camera sales in the last decade. These companies are clawing at anything they can to stay alive and fund products that basically nobody is buying.

Just a few who are either gone or just shell businesses of themselves from decades ago:

Kodak
Braun
Olympus
Konica
Minolta
Technik
Rollei
Polaroid
Contax
Agfa

I always see people who use pseudo economics to justify how a dying industry could be revived through lower prices and higher volume.

It's the old joke about the guy who loses $10 on every item he sells and asked how he stays in business and he replies I make it up in "volume"

-

Thanks,
Mike
https://travel-curious.com/home/north-america/united-states/utah/

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Lisa Horton said:

I've been using third party batteries in digital cameras for over twenty years now, and I've never had one fail, never had one cause a problem with a camera.

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bridge77 said:

Chris Wolfgram said:

mfinley said:

Chris Wolfgram said:

that they will make the most profit by charging a ridiculous markup on batteries, or basically 250-400% of what "good" aftermarket batteries cost ?

How much would they have to charge before folks would say, that's just ridiculous, I'm not doing that. I mean would you pay 500% more ? 800% more ? Half the cost of your camera body ? I guess some folks just have a lot more money than I do. I mean, I'm know they do. I'm poor (by some standards, rich by others I suppose)

I was just looking at the BM's I've been using, and I can still get them for just over $20. Which is great, as I do need a couple more, after 2 of my 3 Canon OEM batteries died on my cross country trip this year. All my BM brand are still working fine though.

Anyway, it just seems to me if Canon were only charging say, $30 or $35, it might not be a big enough incentive for aftermarket companies to design and produce replacements, and maybe folks would buy more of them at that price too, just to have backups.

Click to expand...

The camera manufacturer's industry is filled with companies that are smaller today than they were in the past, they are barely treading water while being handed heavy rocks to hold every few minutes in a room with the water slowly rising now just a foot from the ceiling.

Seeking to maximizing profits where ever they can is a necessary evil when your core products are appealing to a shrinking market place.

When the horse and buggy market was disappearing because of the growth of the automobile you don't think any owners sold accessories at big mark ups?

There has been an 80% drop in camera sales in the last decade. These companies are clawing at anything they can to stay alive and fund products that basically nobody is buying.

Just a few who are either gone or just shell businesses of themselves from decades ago:

Kodak
Braun
Olympus
Konica
Minolta
Technik
Rollei
Polaroid
Contax
Agfa

I always see people who use pseudo economics to justify how a dying industry could be revived through lower prices and higher volume.

It's the old joke about the guy who loses $10 on every item he sells and asked how he stays in business and he replies I make it up in "volume"

-

Thanks,
Mike
https://travel-curious.com/home/north-america/united-states/utah/

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Okay Mike. Good points. But then how much profit are aftermarket companies making on Canon replacement batteries for $21 each ? I mean, do they actually cost $5 to make ?

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$5 is about right. i am buying 2 Kastar batteries for my Lumix FZ200 and amazon charges me $9 each delivered.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RT4CV6G/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A13RPEGYBVY6JL&psc=1

never a problem with these batteries, no swelling, fires or whatever.

i have used BM batteries and charger and they don't seem better than the cheapest Kastar batteries to me.

someone did a video on these 3rd party batteries and found the insides were cheaper, also they don't have as much battery in them so the output is shorter.

best to not leave them on the charger too long, although i never have had a problem with BM, Kastar or other batteries. i just don't trust ANY rechargeable battery when some of these things can burn the house down.

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bridge77 said:

Lisa Horton said:

I've been using third party batteries in digital cameras for over twenty years now, and I've never had one fail, never had one cause a problem with a camera.

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same here.

what is your favorite brands? do you use OEM chargers, or 3rd party ?

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Chris Wolfgram said:

bridge77 said:

Chris Wolfgram said:

mfinley said:

Chris Wolfgram said:

that they will make the most profit by charging a ridiculous markup on batteries, or basically 250-400% of what "good" aftermarket batteries cost ?

How much would they have to charge before folks would say, that's just ridiculous, I'm not doing that. I mean would you pay 500% more ? 800% more ? Half the cost of your camera body ? I guess some folks just have a lot more money than I do. I mean, I'm know they do. I'm poor (by some standards, rich by others I suppose)

I was just looking at the BM's I've been using, and I can still get them for just over $20. Which is great, as I do need a couple more, after 2 of my 3 Canon OEM batteries died on my cross country trip this year. All my BM brand are still working fine though.

Anyway, it just seems to me if Canon were only charging say, $30 or $35, it might not be a big enough incentive for aftermarket companies to design and produce replacements, and maybe folks would buy more of them at that price too, just to have backups.

Click to expand...

The camera manufacturer's industry is filled with companies that are smaller today than they were in the past, they are barely treading water while being handed heavy rocks to hold every few minutes in a room with the water slowly rising now just a foot from the ceiling.

Seeking to maximizing profits where ever they can is a necessary evil when your core products are appealing to a shrinking market place.

When the horse and buggy market was disappearing because of the growth of the automobile you don't think any owners sold accessories at big mark ups?

There has been an 80% drop in camera sales in the last decade. These companies are clawing at anything they can to stay alive and fund products that basically nobody is buying.

Just a few who are either gone or just shell businesses of themselves from decades ago:

Kodak
Braun
Olympus
Konica
Minolta
Technik
Rollei
Polaroid
Contax
Agfa

I always see people who use pseudo economics to justify how a dying industry could be revived through lower prices and higher volume.

It's the old joke about the guy who loses $10 on every item he sells and asked how he stays in business and he replies I make it up in "volume"

-

Thanks,
Mike
https://travel-curious.com/home/north-america/united-states/utah/

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Okay Mike. Good points. But then how much profit are aftermarket companies making on Canon replacement batteries for $21 each ? I mean, do they actually cost $5 to make ?

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$5 is about right. i am buying 2 Kastar batteries for my Lumix FZ200 and amazon charges me $9 each delivered.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RT4CV6G/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A13RPEGYBVY6JL&psc=1

never a problem with these batteries, no swelling, fires or whatever.

i have used BM batteries and charger and they don't seem better than the cheapest Kastar batteries to me.

someone did a video on these 3rd party batteries and found the insides were cheaper, also they don't have as much battery in them so the output is shorter.

best to not leave them on the charger too long, although i never have had a problem with BM, Kastar or other batteries. i just don't trust ANY rechargeable battery when some of these things can burn the house down.

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I’ve never heard of Kastar. But my BM’s seemed very close to OEM’s…

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bridge77 said:

Chris Wolfgram said:

bridge77 said:

Chris Wolfgram said:

mfinley said:

Chris Wolfgram said:

that they will make the most profit by charging a ridiculous markup on batteries, or basically 250-400% of what "good" aftermarket batteries cost ?

How much would they have to charge before folks would say, that's just ridiculous, I'm not doing that. I mean would you pay 500% more ? 800% more ? Half the cost of your camera body ? I guess some folks just have a lot more money than I do. I mean, I'm know they do. I'm poor (by some standards, rich by others I suppose)

I was just looking at the BM's I've been using, and I can still get them for just over $20. Which is great, as I do need a couple more, after 2 of my 3 Canon OEM batteries died on my cross country trip this year. All my BM brand are still working fine though.

Anyway, it just seems to me if Canon were only charging say, $30 or $35, it might not be a big enough incentive for aftermarket companies to design and produce replacements, and maybe folks would buy more of them at that price too, just to have backups.

Click to expand...

The camera manufacturer's industry is filled with companies that are smaller today than they were in the past, they are barely treading water while being handed heavy rocks to hold every few minutes in a room with the water slowly rising now just a foot from the ceiling.

Seeking to maximizing profits where ever they can is a necessary evil when your core products are appealing to a shrinking market place.

When the horse and buggy market was disappearing because of the growth of the automobile you don't think any owners sold accessories at big mark ups?

There has been an 80% drop in camera sales in the last decade. These companies are clawing at anything they can to stay alive and fund products that basically nobody is buying.

Just a few who are either gone or just shell businesses of themselves from decades ago:

Kodak
Braun
Olympus
Konica
Minolta
Technik
Rollei
Polaroid
Contax
Agfa

I always see people who use pseudo economics to justify how a dying industry could be revived through lower prices and higher volume.

It's the old joke about the guy who loses $10 on every item he sells and asked how he stays in business and he replies I make it up in "volume"

-

Thanks,
Mike
https://travel-curious.com/home/north-america/united-states/utah/

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Okay Mike. Good points. But then how much profit are aftermarket companies making on Canon replacement batteries for $21 each ? I mean, do they actually cost $5 to make ?

Click to expand...

$5 is about right. i am buying 2 Kastar batteries for my Lumix FZ200 and amazon charges me $9 each delivered.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00RT4CV6G/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A13RPEGYBVY6JL&psc=1

never a problem with these batteries, no swelling, fires or whatever.

i have used BM batteries and charger and they don't seem better than the cheapest Kastar batteries to me.

someone did a video on these 3rd party batteries and found the insides were cheaper, also they don't have as much battery in them so the output is shorter.

best to not leave them on the charger too long, although i never have had a problem with BM, Kastar or other batteries. i just don't trust ANY rechargeable battery when some of these things can burn the house down.

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I’ve never heard of Kastar. But my BM’s seemed very close to OEM’s…

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just got a couple of Kastar batteries and usb charger from amazon yesterday and all is well with my FZ200.

the usb charger takes longer than the Lumix OEM wall plug in charger that came with the camera. some were saying that the OEM charger doesn't work, but i found out that my Lumix charger is fine.

the battery icon also shows up good in the camera display. Kastar batteries are very cheap on amazon as well as their chargers. i don't leave them plugged in long, about an hour is fine most of the time as i don't trust battery charging much regardless of who makes them.

the amazon deal was good, 2 batteries and a USB charger for 19 bucks and tax. now i have an overkill amount of batteries for my camera.

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Boris22 said:

Maybe this is old news but I just read an article in an online newsletter that claimed 3rd party batteries will not work in the Canon R5ii. Much of the latest tech functionality built into the R5ii will just fail to work. https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/...d-party-batteries-on-the-canon-eos-r5-mark-ii

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BirdShooter7 said:

Boris22 said:

Maybe this is old news but I just read an article in an online newsletter that claimed 3rd party batteries will not work in the Canon R5ii. Much of the latest tech functionality built into the R5ii will just fail to work. https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/...d-party-batteries-on-the-canon-eos-r5-mark-ii

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From what I can tell that’s also true for the Canon brand LP-E6N and NH

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Chris Wolfgram said:

BirdShooter7 said:

Boris22 said:

Maybe this is old news but I just read an article in an online newsletter that claimed 3rd party batteries will not work in the Canon R5ii. Much of the latest tech functionality built into the R5ii will just fail to work. https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/...d-party-batteries-on-the-canon-eos-r5-mark-ii

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From what I can tell that’s also true for the Canon brand LP-E6N and NH

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I believe my R7's will still work with the very old LP-E6 (no letters) batteries. That would easy to test, as I just stumbled across one of those in an old camera bag yesterday. Probably 12-14 yrs old.

Of course as I have said, I don't use the 30fps feature of my R7's anyway.

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BirdShooter7 said:

1. BirdShooter7 wrote:

Chris Wolfgram said:

BirdShooter7 said:

Boris22 said:

Maybe this is old news but I just read an article in an online newsletter that claimed 3rd party batteries will not work in the Canon R5ii. Much of the latest tech functionality built into the R5ii will just fail to work. https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/...d-party-batteries-on-the-canon-eos-r5-mark-ii

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From what I can tell that’s also true for the Canon brand LP-E6N and NH

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I believe my R7's will still work with the very old LP-E6 (no letters) batteries. That would easy to test, as I just stumbled across one of those in an old camera bag yesterday. Probably 12-14 yrs old.

Of course as I have said, I don't use the 30fps feature of my R7's anyway.

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I believe this is specifically about the R5 mk2 which has special power demands causing it to not be fully compatible with older batteries.

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